Leafs Trade Rumors

21 Apr 2024 18:51:46
Extreme Makeover

Marner 1st 2024 niemela
Fantilli jiricek 1st 2024 boqvist

1st 2024 colombus Robertson Hildeby
Andersson flames 1st 2024

Jarnkrok Liljegren Woll to Hawks
2nd 2025 2nd 2026 to leafs

Timmins to Sj
4th 2025 to leafs

July 1
Sign
Broissoit
Lankinen
Duclair
Trenin
Debrusk
Montour


Brodie Domi Bertuzzi Lyubushkin walk👋

Duclair Matthews Debrusk
McMann Tavares Nylander
Knies Fantilli Cowan
Trenin Kampf Reaves
Holmberg

Rielly Andersson
McCabe Montour
Benoit Jiricek
Webber Boqvist

Broissoit
Lankinen

21 Apr 2024 21:41:27
MPH

NO NO NO NO

Let’s think this through suppose leafs get swept Boston! I don’t think they get swept but I think Toronto lose series.

So what will offseason be Leafs have a lot of money to play with and even more if 5 players don’t return


Do not return

Bertuzzi
Domi
Jarnknok
Kampf
Brodie

Return bigger roles

McMann
Robertson
Holmberg
Cowen
Minten
Niemela

UFA POSSBLE TARGETS NOT SIGNING ALL A FEW


Leafs score some players off this list



Montour
Peace
Hanifin
Demelo
Lindholm
Stamkos
Marchessault
Matt Duchane
Teravainen


If Bertuzzi would take less money on a long deal I bring him back. Domi money could stay same on long term deal I bring hi, back as well . Domi takes 500 k haircut on long term deal all the better


Lines
Bertuzzi Matthews Domi
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Stamkos Marner
Reaves Holmberg Minten

Reilly. Pesce
McCabe Liljegren
Benoit Niemela

Woll.

21 Apr 2024 23:26:10
I’m not sure but I think you are disagreeing with me? 😂.

21 Apr 2024 23:30:24
I guess Woll is going to play 82 games?
Lol
So you have added Stamkos and Pesce and no second goalie

And that defence looks atrocious

Looks like a winning formula DM😂😂😂.

22 Apr 2024 01:56:18
Hanifin has already resigned with Vegas.

Stamkos 34
Duchene. 33
Marchessault 33
DeMelo 31
Montour. 30
Teravainen. 30 in September
Pesce. 30 in November
Lindholm. 30 in December

These are their ages at signing and they will all want a minimum of 3 - 5 or more years of term
Perhaps a Pesce or DeMelo (my preference would be Matt Roy or Sean Walker) on defense but the rest I would pass on.

I could see Domi returning at the right price but the money Bertuzzi will want should be directed towards improving the defense.

I agree that Kampf ($2.45), Brodie ($5), and Jarnkrok ($2.1), need to go.
I would also like to see the departure of Reaves ($1.35)

21 Apr 2024 07:15:31
Blockbuster Offseason Trade

Maple Leafs - Blue Jackets

Maple Leafs trade Auston Matthews to the Blue Jackets

Blue Jackets trade Adam Fantilli, Zach Weresnski, Elvis Merzlikins and the 4th overall draft pick in the 2024 NHL Entry Draft to the Maple Leafs

The Maple Leafs select 4th overall Cayden Lindstrom

Let the rebuild begin for the Toronto Maple Leafs

22 Apr 2024 02:09:48
Really like Adam Fantilli and Cayden Lindstrom.
Leafs future #1 & #2 centers.
Werenski can push Morgan Reilly back to the second pairing #3 as well as quarterback the PP with Reilly on the #2 PP unit.

I would do this with Matthews at his peak.
But likely Matthews balks at playing in Columbus.

22 Apr 2024 18:37:29
Idk Matthews might like the idea of doing blow in the parking lot before the game with Johnny.

19 Apr 2024 23:29:36
tor: liljigren, robertson, kampf

Chi: 2024 1st (TB) (or 2025 1st (tor), 2024 3rd (ott) reese johnson

this move brings in a couple youngish peices for chicago, leafs pick up a couple draft picks and frees up some cap space for free agency.

resign edmunson 2yx2m
resign domi 3yx4m
resign gregor 1yx850k


free agent signings
montour: 4yx6m or dumba 3yx3m
pesce: 4yx5.5m


we complete revamp the dcore

reilly - pesce
mccabe - benoit
edmunson - montour/ dumba
timmins

next we need a 2/ 3C

monahan, could possibly be signed

or trade
steeves, holmberg, and 2024 1st (the worse or the 2 from the previous trade) for bjugstad and 2025 2nd (Tor)

this trade can bring is assets for a better trade deadline next season.

domi matthews marner
knies tavares nylander
mcmann bjugstad jarkrok
gregor dewar reaves
R johnson.

20 Apr 2024 03:36:39
Pesce is reportedly looking for $6.5 - $7M with term
I think I would pass on Pesce in favor of offering Matt Roy $5M x 4 years to play as Reilly’s partner.
Similarly Montour is reportedly looking for $6+ with term.
I would prefer to see Sean Walker as Leafs 2nd pairing RHD at $5M x 4 years
Dumba is a disaster defensively and doesn’t fit Leafs needs.

Reilly - Matt Roy
McCabe - Walker
Benoit - Liljegren
Timmins

I’m unsure about resigning Gregor.
He started the year off well but after 30 games or so seemed to disappear and was passed on the depth chart by McMann and Holmberg then at the trade deadline by Dewar.

I would love to see the Leafs sign one of Monahan or Henrique to be Leafs 3rd line center (depending on dollars and term) .

Knies - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Henrique/ Monahan - Nylander
Holmberg - Dewar/ Minten/ Quillan -?
Reaves

Though Bertuzzi came on strong over the second half of the season I would prefer to see that$5.5M spent on the defense.

Kampf and Jarnkrok are expendable.
Leafs need a proper 4th line RW something Reaves is not!

20 Apr 2024 04:30:39
@WB you think Roy and Walker accept 5m as a last payday before they're mid 30s? I don't.

20 Apr 2024 12:41:28
My target of Montour and pesce is based on their defensive pk power, with Montour having added offensive style.

Pesce has an amazing take away vs give away, meaning he's goodbat passing and getting the pucks to our forwards. He kills penalties (2m/ g), and plays around 20m/ game. His points totals say no more than 6m

Montour is used sparingly as penalty killer currently at 30s/ game, with much higher offensive skill. He hits hard and blocks shots. He had only 1 season over 37 points.

Should target 1 or the other this off season.

21 Apr 2024 00:02:14
LeafLife

I think both Roy and Walker will receive $5 - $5.5 on their next contracts.
I see term being a bigger problem.
Neither one is a true, top pairing defenseman.

22 Apr 2024 05:18:10
@WB I meant to say, with that term. I believe they both take 5m as well, but want 7 years.

13 Apr 2024 01:43:23
Starting to look like Vegas will not have the cap space to resign Chandler Stephenson after signing Hanifin.
He would be a great 3rd line center for the Leafs next season depending on price and term, of course.
Henrique, Monahan and Bujgstad would also be good options.
Neither Kampf nor Holmberg is suited for the 3rd line center position.

I would like to see Leafs sign Matt Roy to play RHD with Morgan Reilly next season.
I would also like to see Leafs offer Rogers plus a prospect to San Jose for Ferraro.

Reilly ($7.5) - Roy ($5.5)
Ferraro ($3.25) - McCabe ($2)
Benoit ($1.35) - Liljegren ($?)
Timmins ($1.1)

13 Apr 2024 02:09:16
I like Kampf at 3C. I don't think you can spend more than what Kampf makes unless you plan on walking away from Mitchy either.

I like those D pairings though. Roy should be high on the list for Tree. I have a sneaking suspicion Tanev and Zadorov will be Leafs on July 1 though.

13 Apr 2024 04:29:07
@LL I think you're right about Tanev, hopefully $4M tops ($3.5M would be ideal) . I hope you're not right about Zadorov, he's too expensive for what he brings.
Leafs can upgrade on 3C if they only re-sign Domi, no need to trade Marner. I do like Stephenson, but he might cost $5.5M+ IMO.

13 Apr 2024 13:30:39
I like Stephenson as a 200 ft player. But why would a guy who is used tom playing 18-19 mins a night come to the Leafs where he knows he is only going to get 15 mins a night as a 3C? Add to that, as others mentioned, he's 29 and will be looking for a good payday.

13 Apr 2024 16:21:47
I'm thinking they can use Stephenson as 2C and moving Tavares down to 3C. Lines would work well for next year, but no room to re-sign Bertuzzi in this scenario.

Knies-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Stephenson-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Marner
Holmberg-Dewar-Reaves
Tverberg

Something like this, even works with Lindholm.

Leafs trade Kampf, Jarnkrok & Robertson for cap purposes and hooefully pick up some picks for the draft.

13 Apr 2024 18:30:08
I like Stephenson as a target and I agree with tags either move Tavares down or move him to a wing.

13 Apr 2024 21:08:34
@Tags I like Zadorov well enough, but I agree, he's a bottom pairing guy that gets way too much hype.

Tanev would be a great pickup, but I also don't think term is a good idea. Maybe 2-3 years at most. More than that is just way too risky.

14 Apr 2024 05:49:10
LeafsLife.

I don’t understand the desire to make Kampf a 3rd line center when he isn’t even a great 4th line center.
He has next to zero offensive capability and has not shown well in the past when given time at 3C.
I would prefer to see Kampf traded, Dewar given the 4C position and Leafs use the money to get an impact third line center.

14 Apr 2024 13:25:37
The pervious two seasons Kampf was 8th and 9th respectively in even strength scoring amongst forwards. That is top 9 production on the Leafs even though his zone starts are massively defensive zone weighted and he typically plays with guys who don't have a lot of offence to offer. That is actually very good production under the role he plays. No different than if Nylander played 4th line with defensive players and mostly D-zone draws, I doubt he puts up 90+ points.

15 Apr 2024 16:48:59
Why would any coach put Nylander on 4th L? Such a statement offers zero value to the reader.

It’s a nonsensical statement and posted in an attempt to make support for Kampf’s production!

It might baffle some.

Kampf is a good 4C. I do like him in that role and I’m happy to have him on our team though he’s a bit overpaid.

Kampf was in those scoring positions NOT because of his scoring skill BUT because he played MANY more games than others below him!

In 22/ 23 Engvall had 6 fewer points than Kampf but played 24 fewer games.

Kampf was ahead of the likes of Simmonds, Ritchie, Clifford, Blackwell and a number of Marlie callups like Steeves, McMann, Abruzzese and Robertson.

15 Apr 2024 19:49:05
I take it this was for me Rsears. sigh.

No one said to put Nylander on the 4th line. What are you talking about now. lol
The point was that even someone as talented as Nylander would have trouble scoring or putting up points if he played the role Kampf does. Not that hard to understand really. My guess is everyone else got the analogy. Analogies are commonly used in supporting an stance.

You do realize even if you project Engvall's production over 82 games it's only 3 pts more than Kampf and that included PP points. Remove the PP production and he had less than Kampf at even stength. Kerfoot who played lots in the top 6 only had 5 more pts and 3 of those came on the PP.

I notice you left out that Kampf had better point production than ZAR and Acciari as well. How come?

Again with the insults on a post I made that was not in response to you, but I'm the one who insults and can't stand being challenged. lol

Do you feel better? Did you get out all your anger and frustration toward me?

Maybe time for a timeout and you will feel better. lol.

15 Apr 2024 22:19:54
Not yet!

It was your hypothesis that placed Nylander on L4.

No one else would put forth such a statement.

And how many games did Acciari play with the Leafs?

What position in scoring does Kampf hold this year? Tied for 12th!

It’s your distortion of facts that is outrageous.

As for Kampf, I quite like him. He and Holmberg are competing for L3 but that doesn’t make him a3C.

And yes I will take a breath as I did last time.

That will continue until you feel offended yet again.

Over to you!

16 Apr 2024 12:50:30
So this time I distort facts to the outrageous and I get offended often. Just because you make offensive remarks doesn't mean I am offended. Attacking someone personally is just a really weak debate tactic in order to try and discredit their argument. It doesn't add any value to your argument and says more about you than me.

As for the Nylander analogy. So you're saying no one talks about how many more points/ goals a 3rd liner, like say Robertson might get if he played with Matthews and Marner. It only works one way and no one uses it in the opposite? Many of us have used the same type of analogy I did with Nylander. It is no different than saying if Nylander played on a San Jose for instance he wouldn't likely put up the same points. Your fishing to try and discredit again, That's all.

Project Acciari's points for a season and it's less than Kampf's. We project for seasons all the time. It's done often, even by hockey analysts. How come when I do it and it's a distortion of facts. Which you keep saying, but have yet to show how I've distorted anything. Just because you accuse it, doesn't make it true.

I have already stated before that this season Kampf's points are down. I also never said he would produce something like a 50-60 point season if he was 3C, so if that is what you are inferring I mean, then that would be on you. It's probably like 30-40 points and being very solid defensively. I'd be good with that as a 3C for $2.4M. You don't like him as 3C, that's fine.

11 Apr 2024 13:13:09
What do you guys think it would take to get Jake Middleton? $2.45M for another season. I know he is an LD, but if the Leafs could get him and sign Roy, the top 4 is Rielly-Roy and Middleton-McCabe with Benoit-Timmins as the currently signed 3rd pair. Looks pretty solid enough. You could go cheaper and put Rielly and McCabe together and sign a guy like Carrier to play with Middleton.

Problem is that from what I can tell, Minny is still looking to compete now.

Would this work?

Minny
Liljegen RFA
Robertson RFA

Tor
Middleton $2.45M

Not sure if it works for Minny, as they have most of their team re-signed for next season. But it would allow them to move Johansson down to the 3rd line and try Robertson with Ek and Boldy, Liljegren would slot into 3RD and they get a little younger on the overall.

11 Apr 2024 17:31:13
RLF if you think Middleton can play 2LD, then I'm in. I would, however, like to get a mid pick back if possible (we are giving Minny to young cost controlled RFA's) .
I like targeting Roy as well, he is high on my UFA list.

11 Apr 2024 21:39:21
Looks good to me. I like Middleton well enough as well.

McCabe looks good on his offside right now, but is that something we want to commit to going forward? Depends on what's available I guess.

12 Apr 2024 05:30:27
What really hurts is that Dubas could have had Middleton from San Jose for a 2nd plus a prospect but instead choice to trade for Giordano (2 - 2nds & 3rd) when he could have signed Giordano in the summer for nothing.
Another one of Dubas’ multitude of blunders.
Instead Minnesota sent San Jose a 2nd plus Kahkonen for Jake Middleton.

13 Apr 2024 00:07:18
Not a good 3rd pair.