01 Aug 2019 14:28:04
thomas, kyrou, fabbri and bortuzzo

for

reilly and kapanen

testing testing 1-2-3

01 Aug 2019 15:47:07
would love to put reilly on a line with parayko. Unfortunatley there is no way Tor should trade this guy. Great dman. I would love to put Kappy on a line with Thomas and kyrou that would be a crazy fast young line with skill. I think kappy could be attainable but blues just don't have the pieces to get it done, (pieces that tor would want) . As for the blues Thomas and Kyrou are no goes with trading. Thomas was amazing in the playoffs and pretty much made his line of bozak and maroon relevant especially for a rookie 19 year old who put up 33 points 9 goals and 24a in 70 games .48 ppg%. He is going to be our future 1c center. Kyrou at 20 had 3 points in 16 games in limited ice time then went to san Antonio ( a bad AHL team) and was basically point per game player with 16g 27a 43p in 47 g. .914 ppg%. He will be our future RW behind Tarasenko. So those two are no goes in any trade. Fabbri is recovering and at 900k not worth trading for what he brings cap wise. Bortuzzo is a 3rd pairing tough RHD not worth it to another team that is looking for top pairing guy.

So TOR turns this down easily and blues would turn it down as well. Thomas is untouchable and GM doug Armstrong has said as much.

01 Aug 2019 16:10:55
lol. you took the bait

thought under no circumstance can a team get a 1D unless you are a franchise C or a 40 goal scorer

toronto says no st. louis takes it and runs .

Kyrou and Thomas at best on this team are 2nd line players. at best unless you beleive thomas is better than oreilly and kyrou is better than tarasenko. Reilly would be the best 1LD on st. louis. come on if you are always going to argue no Marner for 1D than you got to do the same for young players on st. luois for 1LD

you made some valid points but you can't come on this site and continually downgrade every leaf and think every Dman they are trying to get is a 1D.

in closing toronto says pass and st. luois says go to this deal.

01 Aug 2019 16:35:01
i understand you made good points and said reilly is a great dman but you never said he was a 1LD like you say so many 1RD in so many leaf deals.

ive had my fun

enjoy your day.

01 Aug 2019 16:38:19
All those guys suck and are a long way away from kapanen’s level, let alone be worth Rielly.

01 Aug 2019 16:40:12
Blues would gladly trade their entire borrow six here for a superstar 1LHD in Rielly and Kapanen.

01 Aug 2019 16:47:50
Craiger, I get that you have a hard time looking past right now. Players at 19 and 20 don't usually light a fire in the league some players do it most have to develop. Rielly took 4 years to break out. kappy is 23 and just had a decent season with 40 pts. Would I love to have both players sure. Would TOR trade rielly for what you posted hell no. Will the blues trade their future 1 c for a redundant piece no. Blues have gone years and years with out a tru 1c. Orielly is 28 years old and prob has about 2-3 years of 1c before plateau and decline happens. Tarasenko is 27 and probably has about 4-5 years before plateau and then decline. Thomas just turned 20 and kyrou just turned 21. They along with kostin and bokk are the next wave of young talent on ELC contracts. These elcs are needed for the cap to work.

So let me break this down for you. Currently the blues defense is leaps and bounds better than TOR. you have petro, Parayko, Jaybo, Dunn, Edmondson, gunnerson, and Bortuzzo. With Mikola, reinke, walman ect in the ahl. We have two #1rhd, 4 top top in dunn, gunner, Edmondson, and jaybo. then borts is bottom pairing. SO getting reilly isn't worth trading Thomas, kyrou from a teams needs perspective. Also taking on 8-9 million in cap and sending out 3-4 million is no go.

Once again Thomas isn't being traded. Your trade prop was very bad and it shows.

01 Aug 2019 16:55:16
Dude i'm sorry but leafs GM Kappy is a 40 pt player at 22 years old his ppg% is .56 and is a center. Thomas as a 19 yearold rookie scored 33 points in 70 games for a .47 ppg%. at 19 kappy was in ahl and only got 25 points lol. Kyrou at the same age ass kapenen's first year of ahl on a worse team had 20 more points than kappy. You should really take your time and research the people you comment about. You really have no clue and it shows.

Reilly is a #1lhd in the league with out a doubt and it took him 4 years to get there. He is amazing I wouldlove him but we have two #1RHD AND THEIR IS no need to get another while sacrificing our tremendous youth elc talent. It doesn't meet a blues team need.

Also please why would blues do this. Do we need reilly… no. do we need kappy … no. Do leafs need parayko or petro… yes.

01 Aug 2019 16:59:05
I love it leafs gm. First you say Thomas at 19 is a bust. Kappy first year was last year and he was 23. Then you say Thomas is no where near kappy, even though kappy put up 44 points at 23 and Thomas put up 33 in 8 less games at 19. Lol and on top of all that kyrou almost doubled kappys stats at the same age in the AHL. LOL you just can't fix stupid can you. I really couldn't make up this sheet if I wanted to. LOL great stuff don't you change one bit.

01 Aug 2019 17:31:05
prediction time. binnington has a sophomore slump and Allen won't be able to bail him out.

Petriangelo gets dealt before deadline for 1st and prospect
Paraynko asks to be dealt and gets 1st and prospect
Steen, Schenn and Bertuzzo all get dealt for prospects

St. louis finishes bottom 10 in league

St. louis is awesome when they all play at their high end levels but as they've shown when they don't play that level they stink

toronto high end may not win cup but their low end will never not make the playoffs

by the way no insults needed that's just rude.

01 Aug 2019 17:43:16
Prediction #2

once st. louis doesn't make playoffs redwing1 becomes biggest fan of whatever team wins the cup.

01 Aug 2019 18:34:37
Craiger Prediction #1

Craiger will still continue to be clueless and not grasp the concept of teams needs, contractual value and postinal value.

Always have been always will be a blues fan. I have been on this board for over 4 years. My monikers are as follows

Russiantank (nick name for Tarasenko) Banned

Colt55 --- Banned for issue with a guy named Shankar

redwing1-- after several new blues names that were cut off after a few days I came up with redwing 1 and since then have not been calling people out for being keyboard warriors in their mothers basements. Since I have toned it down I have been allowed to stay.

Always a blues fan. I think its amazing that you can't debate or argue a point instead you try to attack something about me to make your self look better. Good try.

01 Aug 2019 18:37:08
Also Reilly is not a superstar thought he is a #1LHD with out a doubt. He had a tremendous season last year if he can repeat and his defensive numbers get better I think he can def be in contention for a Norris.

01 Aug 2019 19:49:52
I didn't attack you by calling you names. i don't attack people the way you do. Calling you out for the fan i think you are isn't attacking you by name calling. Just some constructive advise for you . An idiotic idea doesn't make a person an idiot. a dumb suggestion doesn't make someone dumb. You are quick to call people names instead of debating their ideas.

Once in a while you surprise me and make a very good idea and suggestion but then you go back to your old ways and call them a name at the end of your good advise.

If i'm wrong about you being a fan of the team that wins the cup i apologize. I judged you as a redwing fan. I judged you by what you call yourself and for that i'm sorry. Even i need to work on my communication skills.

With that we move on

Just stop with the name calling. In this day and age you get fired for those kind of actions. its not pre 2000 anymore.

01 Aug 2019 20:45:43
When you make and defend delusional propositions will call you and anyone else out. When you actually put up fair value I will commend and then put in my opinion. Yes you do attack by calling me a fairweather or bandwagon fan based on my login name, which honestly is dumb. I have been here the main board for a long time. Also you have never argued or debated anything. You have never presented evidence to the contrary of what I argue. You and a few others have this ridiculous notion that Marner is worth a crazy amount and that any team should be thanking you for rapping them in a trade. Its crazy. Please present stats, former trades, anything to back up why marner is worth everything in the world till then I will continue to disagree.

Also it helps to take other teams needs, positional value and contractual value (due to cap) into consideration.

01 Aug 2019 21:16:42
Leafs aren’t rebuilding anymore.

01 Aug 2019 21:42:37
Again, not once did i call you a bandwagon jumper. you insinuated i was calling you that. Due to you misreading what i said i still apologized.

Now take a look at this
Age 21 38gms 8g 11s
Age 22 64gms 21g 22a
Age 23 77gms 37g 36a

That player signed 7.5m when cap was 68m 11% of cap

Now take a look at this
Age 20 77gms 19g 42a
Age 21 82gms 22g 47a
Age 22 82gms 26g 68a

This player wants 11m when cap is 81.5m 13% of cap

Seems the second player was better and more durable in last 2 years leading into contract and was also a full year younger by age.

During first players contract negotiations would any team want him for a bit older but star R or LHD if the teams need was a scoring winger. pretty sure answer is yes but this players club said no

Same situation yet somehow you insist because of his contract demands he is worth less than an older yet star L or RHD. hmmmmmm

I lay out nothing but facts with my opinion. just because you don't agree doesn't mean its not true. at least i admit when i'm wrong or get proven wrong. something you should try.

01 Aug 2019 22:12:01
Claude Giroux took a gamble on himself after year 3 in league signed bridge deal then got tonnes of points 2 years in a row after the gamble and year 5 signed for then 11% of cap

Steven Stamkos was a stud year 2 and 3 and signed for then an insane 12% of cap

Nathan Mckinnon only resently in year 5 and 6 has outperformed most. Years 1-4 he was not all that good. closer to kapanen numbers than marners. he still got paid 9% of cap before he ever became a stud. team took chance on him in this example

Are these guys worth top tier older Dmen? Contract demands or not they are all 10% cap of team or more worth it. just because leafs already have 2 of these guys doesn't mean Marner is less valuable % wise. Not his fault the cap went up so much in last 3 years due to Vegas. wait 2 more years when another cap hike happens and his 11+ million looks small in an 100 million cap world.

Tarasenko and mckinnon at this point in life will need new contracts and they will get 14+ million. now are they less valuable because of the dollars they make?

Wow more facts.

02 Aug 2019 11:48:41
In the nhl as we are now. Defense wins championships. there is a value system in place. This has been laid out by the GM's of the league. I didn't make this up and most people aggree. Has to do with the quality of player and the availability of that type of player. Supply and demand. As it its the rarest player type in the league is big strong, puck moving, offensive defensive man with that are right handed. SOme value points and some value actual defense more. They are the unicorns of the league and everyone wants one. let's face it there are about 60-65% of the league are left shooting players. not sure why. down here in MO I would say about 90% shoot right. its weird. I posted the value of postion again. Most Gms depending on teams needs will trade a #1c for a #1D this is usually when they are younger. Very rarely do you see wingers traded for #1d. It did happen for Larson but it was an extreme over pay. IMO

So once again marner is a great 25g+ 90pt + player but most GMS are not going to trade their Stud DMEN on great contracts for some kid who gets under 30 goals and can't play center. No offense this is just going to be hard in the cap world where most teams are at the cap. they would have to move 1 -2 players and become a weaker team in general. DUbas should have traded nylander before the contract issue came up and I bet he could have gotten a young rhd for him with an add of liljgren and a pick. it would have solved your money issues your d issues and marner contract issue. He failed.

#1RHD
#1LHD
#1C
#1winger
#1goalie
the rest.

02 Aug 2019 11:51:12
Yes from a cap stand point. When tank is 32 he will be ufa. If he wants that much money the blues will most likely either get him to come down or trade him. Tampa got stamkos to come down. you have to remember Tarasenko is a 35g 70 pt player I don't think his ask will be that high. BUt those are choices you need to make to compete.

02 Aug 2019 11:57:42
The blues were the best team in the league from January to july. That's 6 months to be playing at the high end. I think that's ore of what they are capable of night in and night out. As for the leafs they can't be considered bettter or even equal to until they actually beat the blues which they have not. They lost both games and blues took out the team that took out the leafs in the playoffs. Pretty much dominated the bruins at times. I am not saying leafs are or are not the better team I am just saying you can say they are till you beat the blues.

A guy once said and I quote,

"To be the man you have to beat the man".

Ric Flair.

02 Aug 2019 12:30:22
guess when pittsburgh won back to back their defence won the championships right? oh yeah they had no D.

that was only the past 2 years before St. Louis .

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

02 Aug 2019 13:18:20
youre right. everyone is wrong

Marner sucks and has no value

Topic Closed############.

02 Aug 2019 22:43:36
hey marner has value, just not the riduclous value you seem to think he has. Also why are you getting mad at me because Teams Are not trading everything for this unsigned star. If teams valued him like you think they do then you would have your #1rhd and like 10 adds.

02 Aug 2019 23:16:17
Humans don't get mad they get angry. if you have the ability to read anger than you are in the wrong buisness. anger doesn't cross my mind when doing fantacy.

I don't think teams value Marner all that great. i just think you overvalue who you like and undervalue who you don't like. you also resort to silly banter when you have no stats or real logical reasoning to your answers.

I also know Dubas values marner, matthews, nylander, taveras, reilly and anderson much more than 25+ RHD. they've been offered and dubas says no.

Also, in order for a team to offer sheet an RFA, that RFA must agree to the deal. Marner has not, thus no offer sheet.

You seem to think you know it all but unfortunately there are tonnes of variables when it comes to this Marner situation. The biggest and i state this with 100% certainanty is Dubas wants to keep Marner so whether you or anyone think his value is low or high it doesn't matter. Dubas won't trade him even if other teams have offered something. Also, Marner won't sign with any other team unless its for mcdavid money for him to even consider leaving toronto.

Those are the facts. until he signs let leaf fans have fun. leaf fans don't go on your precious blues sites because we don't care for the blues.

In closing why do you care so much what leaf fans feel or want to fantacize about?
Why are you here?

03 Aug 2019 00:09:25
@redwing

I think you need to brush up on your trades. 1RHD haabsokutely not brought a big return this year for teams dealing them. Trouba, Subban, Karlsson, McDonaugh, all these guys went for peanuts. I know I’m missing a couple names too. Just because Chiarelli is foolish enough to trade a Hart winner for a 1RHD, doesn’t mean every other GM in the league is so foolish. Maybe that’s why Chiarelli doesn’t have a job anymore while lots of other gm’s do.