09 Aug 2019 14:14:19
I haven't seen this one
Tor: Marner dermott
Stl: Parayko kyrou
Everyone wanted this to happen last year with Nylander marner is better should be enough we have to add dermott so the blues are getting a player who can play in their lineup this year kyrou is a decent player may get in later in the year like Moore did last year
09 Aug 2019 15:03:30
I personally don’t like it. Parayko’s contract is too short and leaves him UFA at the same time we have to re-sign Rielly. And while he may be the best 2RHD in the league, Parayko is not a true 1RHD. Marner is worth much more than three years of Parayko. Kyrou looks like he has the potential to be a good middle six player, but still not proven enough, though I guess the same could be said about Dermott. At minimum, i think we can all agree that Kyrou is hardly an adequate replacement for Marner.
I’m sure St. Louis would jump at this trade. Leafs though should pass. Just my opinion. You are free to feel otherwise.
09 Aug 2019 16:23:54
I don't disagree with LeafsGm often but I do here.
I doubt St. louis does this. They get Marner who wants a short bridge at huge money and the leafs get Kyrou who looks like he could be a solid player soon plus a top pairing RHD. No matter what anyone says D still worth more than wingers in most cases. It does not replace Marner I agree but you can't expect to trade Marner for a replacement plus a top 4 D. Just won't happen. A deal like teravainen and Pesce for Marner is skewed towards the Leafs by alot.
Gotta remember Dermott coming off major surgery and injury problems last year. Not sure how high he is valued right now.
09 Aug 2019 16:26:39
Look we already went through this several times. Blues are not going to trade you parayko for marner straight up. Let alone packages with our best ppg prospect first year in the AHL and projected top six fast winger for dermot who wouldn't even make the depth chart on the lHD side. LOL.
I already has this conversation with Craiger. HE went to my teams main hockey board. He saw for himself that out of 69 responses only 2 actually would do the trade. You are not getting parayko, Give it up. LOL.
09 Aug 2019 16:28:22
Also kyrou is going to be better than bracco kappenan and possibly Nylander. Good luck with finding a new RHD.
09 Aug 2019 18:14:57
The question isn't if the fans would do this deal. The question is would st. louis do this deal.
I for one try not to over value players. I base them on what they are worth. I do my assesment on how they play on the ice not what's in their wallet so to speak.
The deal skill wise is definetly in favor of st. louis. Parayko i love the way he plays and would help toronto on the backend. However, losing marner also makes you lose 10 plus of taveras goals and that chemestry they had. Losing marner also makes the leafs lose their PP as it goes through marner. Losing marner also makes them lose a PK guy who is always out last minute of the game.
Kyrou is a solid prospect. To state he projects to be better than nylander is going a little far but opinions are what they are. all i know is if hockey did a top 100 prospect list like baseball youd see kyrou fall around 30. that's my opinion i'm sure there is wiggle room with that assesment.
Dermott as much as some think he is worth nothing i'd bag to differ a bit. You can't judge the leaf D based on their points due to the fact all first 3 forward lines love to move the puck. most goals were either scored due to a turnover at blueline by a forward so no D got a point or if the play started in leafs zone their were 10 passes before the goal went in. like most western teams the D carry the puck up to center pass to 1 guy who then passes one more time and in the net. The other thing that happens is defence in the west play the shot a lot miss the net but somehow get a point off rebounds or missed shots. Toronto doesn't play that style.
So judging D based on points is not the wisest thing to do as teams play differant styles.
Player for player st. louis wins this deal
Once you add in the contracts st. louis passes unless steens contract is thrown in.
09 Aug 2019 19:37:19
@LeafsLife
Feel free to disagree anytime you like. Lol. That’s what makes this site even possible. If everybody agreed on everything all the time, we wouldn’t have much to talk about.
This was a good proposal because of how split the contributors are. There are some very good points made here by everyone both pro and con about this deal. But the one thing that stands out to me though is that everyone says it’s not a good deal one way or the other for various reasons. It’s unusual to see both sides say no. Lol.
Like I said, personally, I’d rather have Marner, who should we end up bridging him, would be on the team probably another decade, rather than have three years of Parayko. Last year, when everyone was suggesting Nylander for Parayko., that deal had some real merit because Nylander is not as good as Marner, and Parayko still had another year left on his contract. The same proposition this year involving Marner doesn’t hold the same appeal.
I guess one thing worth mentioning too is that Pietrangelo is UFA this year. If St. Louis can’t afford to re-sign him, then they are desperately going to need Parayko. So I don’t think Blues trade Parayko without at least another nhl caliber RHD coming in return. Doesn’t have to be a stud. Just has to be serviceable enough to help mitigate the loss of Pietrangelo.
09 Aug 2019 19:39:00
Well imo leafsgm you are kind of over valuing marner here yes marner is a top notch winger but Parayko is a top notch dman if we trade marner I’d like to see maybe something coming back that could be a long term option also keep in mind marners trade value is decreasing everyday he’s not signed I don’t think he’s worth 4 1st honestly especially at that cap hit he wants.
And for redwings1 I think St. Louis would forsure consider this trade marner would be the 1st or 2nd best player on the blue the only thing I’d see the blue saying is it would leave to big of a gap on their blue line.
09 Aug 2019 20:46:21
The overvaluing of Marner is when you throw in kyrou. Marner and Dermott seems fair for Parayko unless Marner signs for less. Other teams are watching his negotiations as well and understand what he will want. Brings his value down alot.
@LeafsGm lol not that I don't like too you just generally value things more realistically than most do.
09 Aug 2019 20:51:18
I don’t think Parayko is a good enough defenceman to be giving up Marner. Also Kyrou is still unproven while Dermott is already a large part of the leafs future.
Leafs Pass.
09 Aug 2019 22:24:26
Last summer parayko kyrou thomas for marner
1st half of last season parayko, kyrou,1st 2020 for marner
2nd half of last season parayko and kyrou for marner
After playoffs and with marners contract demands parayko for marner
Parayko in his fourth season regressed from his previous 3. Yes he is big but his age 25 year seams to be his plateau. he is 3 years older and unless he plays out his butt he could easily turn out to be first half last season parayko not playoff parayko.
There is a bigger chance he regresses unfortunatly.
Marner keeps getting better and hasn't hit his plateau yet. a year with tarasenko and tarasenko could hit 50-60 goals.
After researching parayko more i'm confident with saying i'd rather keep marner. his contract negotiation demand may bring his value down but that doesn't hide the fact he is freakin more talented skill wise than any player being discussed in this deal.
10 Aug 2019 19:28:31
Player for player lol. I'm tired of the back and forth. The blues are not trading parayko. He was by far the best Dman in the playoffs is signed for 3 years 5.5 kyrou is fast and amazing will be top 6. Dermot sucks and marner is a glorified assist machine who hasn't hit 30g and wants a huge salary.
Doug Armstrong said parayko is a player you build a team around defensively. Don't you think that if he was available dubas would have jumped on it or even edm. Just give it up already.
11 Aug 2019 00:05:32
Marner on his worse day is still an assist machine who enjoys giving other players the glory. we haven't seen a bad marner yet
Parayko we have seen a bad turnover slow skating side of him first half last season. Odds are he has a good chance of repeating the ugly as well as the glory.
Marner hasn't had an ugly yet so based on stats and odds of him repeating glory is way higher than parayko.