18 Sep 2019 17:13:41
Kapanen + Dermott

for

Pesce = Necas

18 Sep 2019 17:58:46
There is way to much bias opinions on Pesce. either he is valued as a top pairing or he isnt. If you value him as a top pairing than this deal is way off. If you value him as a second pairing than the deal is closer in value.

Necas is probably a no go either way. so my only advise would be find a lesser of a prospect and than this deal is real close in value if Pesce is valued as a 2nd pairing.

I personally think Pesce is a 2nd pairing guy but hey that's me.

18 Sep 2019 19:23:18
@Craigger I agree there it's where you stand on how good peace is. His contract makes him more valuable to a lot of teams which drives up his value a bit. This seems to be the time when all defenceman get screwed though so I'm not really seeing a huge value in him as much now.

I see him as a second pairing guy that can log 1st pairing minutes if need be. Case in point, as a leaf he would be a great top pairing D compared to what we have right now in Ceci.

Necas would cost more. Kapanen for Pesce straight up been thrown around a lot in various scenarios and I think it actually is fairly close but they won't give your Necas.

18 Sep 2019 23:01:36
Kappy does not get you pesce.

19 Sep 2019 00:24:37
I guess the thought that Kappy does get you Pesce, but Leafs say no never crossed your mind eh RedWing? Because a deal centres around Kappy for Pesce does indeed make a lot of sense. Carolina is desperate for cheap scoring wingers, but they wouldn’t want Kapanen? Sounds a little strange there’s doesn't it? Especially since it is well known that Carolina does in fact actually have a desire for Kapanen. Why they wouldn’t give up their 2/ 3 line RHD for Kapanen seems a little odd.

19 Sep 2019 03:20:08
The problem is that kappy at 3+ mil only scored 20goals put up 44 points. With a stacked team just isn't close to enough for a potential top pairing rhd.

19 Sep 2019 10:03:38
Everyone has their opinion on pesce. However, saying that kapanen at 3.4 million is part of the reason why this deal wouldn't happen and that he isn't worth that money let me give you a cap comparable

14 goals 41 points born just 6 months earlier 4.75 million dollars
Seems Ottawa likes Colin White for even more money

Guess GMs don't know how to do their jobs as they value their players higher than you would

Your arguments are so lacking.

19 Sep 2019 13:03:46
I didn't say he wasn't worth what he is getting paid. You want necas potential 1c and pesce almost a #2 top pairing defensive Dman with puck moving ability for a 40 point player and bottom 2 Dman. Come on.

19 Sep 2019 13:28:42
I said choose a lesser prospect. You didn't mention Necas until your last post. you said "the problem with Kappy at 3+ mil only scored 20 goals and put up 40 points. "

that makes it look like you are saying Kappy isn't worth his money.

again loose Necas and maybe this deal might be good depending on how you value Pesce.

20 Sep 2019 01:56:49
I didn’t mention necas or debate the prop itself directly either. So not sure why you are including this now at all. The focus by Craigger and myself was on Kapanen for Pesce. Kapanen is a 2nd line player in Carolina, while Peace is bottom pairing, unless he somehow passes Faulk, which I doubt. Carolina will be wanting to showcase Faulk for trade bait. He will get the 2nd line, Pesce likely remains 3rd line. So trading 3RHD for 2RW makes a lot of sense actually doesn’t it?

20 Sep 2019 02:35:18
20 goals and 44 points is enough to make him the leading scorer on quite a few teams. Is Keller crap too then? He led his team in scoring last year with 14 goals and 47 points, but Arizona extended him at a whopping $7M+. So Kapanens salary actually works for him, not against him. There are plenty of other examples we can go through if you like.

Maybe a little research first might help with your responses. Your trying to make statements true by fiat. You probably don’t know what fiat means, and I’m not going to tell you. You can look it up while you are looking up stats that show you that a) Kapanen is a good player, and b) he has a good team friendly deal.