24 Sep 2019 18:41:32
Ok folks, let start the Pietrangelo rumours to Toronto, Stl. just signed Justin Faulk long term.
Tor. Trades: Kappy, Dermott, Ceci
Stl. Trades: Pietrangelo
Stl. gets a replacement for Pietro who plays LD, a speedy RW and a cash dump to make it work. Leafs sign Pietro after season to extension along with Muzzin. Time to go for it now.
24 Sep 2019 19:42:11
As much as I would love to have him I just can’t see the leafs being able to sign him to an extension leafs need another Muzzin and they just don’t have the cap to do much without moving someone out with equal or greater cap hit I think a good target for the leafs maybe Sanheim off the flyers big kid plays more defensive
Tor: Bracco Petan 2nd 2021
Phi: Sanheim
Bracco and Petan won’t be players on this roster anytime soon the flyers could use so good young depth.
24 Sep 2019 19:49:15
That's an insane amount to pay for a rental you may not be able to sign. I wouldn't want to lose both Dermott and Kappy for a one year rental I would rather have sent a bag of pucks to Carolina for Faulk like the blues just did.
If we making props for Petro I'm along the lines of:
Tor Bracco, Ceci, 2nd
Blues Petro
I still don't think it happens in any capacity as he has a full NTC, is a rental and anything going to back to St Louis would not replace Petro on St. Louis depth chart unless it's a massive over pay.
24 Sep 2019 20:05:22
Blues laugh at all those offers. Laugh extremely hard. Nobody is taking your crap lol.
24 Sep 2019 20:19:28
redwing1; Petro is a Toronto boy just like Tavares and are very good friends. I guess we can wait till next year and get him for nothing.
24 Sep 2019 21:25:32
I'm with redwing1 on this matter. They won't let Petro go cheap and they will want the year to attempt to sign him to an extension. Unless they come out like last year and it becomes a fire sale or the leafs offer a serious over pay he probably isn't going anywhere.
24 Sep 2019 21:29:03
St. Louis will use Pietrangelo as their own rental if they are in playof position at deadline. If not, Armstrong will almost definitely trade him if he hasn’t already been extended. Armstrong is too smart a GM to let an asset like that go for free. As a rental deadline acquisition, Pietro goes for same as every other deadline acquisition rental: a pick, a prospect, and a depth roster player. If Leafs can afford him, I expect they make a try. If not, no big deal. We still have (on paper right now anyway) one of the best defense in the league. With Sandin looking like he is making the team this year, we have already got three #1 defensemen and a rising all-star in Dermott, to go along with two A-prospects in Sandin and Liljegren. Leafs have an abundance of riches now. The urgent need for RHD is no longer so urgent. Dubas won’t overpay for a player like Pietrangelo unless our defense gets decimated by injuries.
24 Sep 2019 21:39:10
So Faulk to st. louis for a 3rd pairing maybe 2nd pairing LD, a solid but unproven prospect who fell quite a bit during draft day and swapping of pointless picks.
Then St. Louis signs Faulk for exactly Pietroangelos value of contract but for much much longer. Something is way off here.
Now Pietroangelos wife is from St. Louis but his family is in toronto. Yes they had triplets but like every marriage you have compromise. He spent what 10 plus years in St. Louis. Maybe just maybe its his turn to be atound his family. let's be honest here. Canada has free healthcare. Maybe just maybe he is pulling a jacob trouba now that he has family to really think about. Kid (s) get sick go to doctor no bill in canada and more specifically ontario. Kid (s) get sick and 10 grand or more later in the states more specifically missouri. Yes he is a rich man but spending money sucks. Heck, the guy and his wife live in Cottege country during the summer in ontario.
Im not saying it will ever happen but if it does
Kapanen, Ceci, Liljegren just might get this thing moving.
Kap and Ceci make Peitroangelo money basically
St. louis get 1 year of ceci on bottom pairing to see if he can play with a good team then decide whether to sign him long term or not. 1 year tryout. If he doesn't work no biggythe have Faulk. Kappy they know will be a great 2-3 rd line winger for a long time and since st. louis is so good at developing (apparently) then liljegren becomes a great next dman of the st. louis system.
I think this works and it might just happen (quite contredicting from what i said just 1 paragraph before) in next 48 hours.
Just sayin.
24 Sep 2019 21:40:51
The faulk deal may also just of been to keep faulk away from winnipeg. nothing to do with Pietroangelo. lol.
24 Sep 2019 21:55:23
If blues do a trade expect sand in coming back to shore up lhd.
24 Sep 2019 22:48:02
I think Bortuzzo now becomes the expandable one.
24 Sep 2019 23:02:08
This trade makes no sesnse. We get a player we can’t afford an player we can't afford and we get rid of the only depth we have left.
24 Sep 2019 23:12:53
Lol your way off here redwing. Sandin is 19 and looks like he is ready for NHL hockey. He is a gem of a prospect and no GM (except maybe ones from EDM) would send him away for a rental.
24 Sep 2019 23:46:06
Never realized the faulk deal also involved carolina retaining 667,000 or so in salary/ cap hit. Guess that's part of the reason Bokk was involved in this deal. May not seem like a lot but every penny counts.
Why am i writing about st. louis. who cares?
Now back to the Leafs.
24 Sep 2019 23:47:01
Sandin will not be traded and St. Louis will not get a whole package with Pietrangelo being a UFA. Leafs can not take on one more large contract. Get used to the core plus hopefully great draft picks moving into the lineup for the next few years.
24 Sep 2019 23:50:04
@hotwing69 my god let’s not trade anything for Pieteranglo he will be a leaf next year Mark it!
Riley for Captain! Blue and white for Pieteranglo! Lol!
25 Sep 2019 00:28:41
Leafs hound dog~. Brilliant response.
Go Leafs!
25 Sep 2019 01:00:32
Yeah how are you going to afford 10mil a year. Lol. Good luck with that thought. If petro goes you can guarantee. He will be a great prospect and a first. Anything less is a joke.
25 Sep 2019 02:37:53
Maybe we can sign one of Barrie, Muzzin or Pieteranglo next off season. Trading for him makes no sense.
25 Sep 2019 09:58:22
If peitroangelo goes it will be for what faulk got. a roster salary dump and good prospect. no 1st required for a rental defenceman anymore. in fact that package also requires team with highest salary player to retain some salary and the less salary they agree to the higher the pick they owe. st. louis got a 5th for a 7th because carolna took back 667,000 but if carolina didn't take back any salary that 5th would of been a 3rd. If the took back over a million no pick would of went to st. louis.
The deal also looked to be contingent on faulk agreeing to a long term deal.
If he didn't agree to that before the deal the package wasnt going to include a prospect of bokks caliber.
Good Prospects and cap relief is worth more than star defencemen entering ufa. whether anyone likes it or not. Whether someone feels a package is a joke or laughable it doesn't matter what you feel the presidence has been set.
25 Sep 2019 10:00:02
Forget about the money, the prospects, draft picks and look at it like this: Who do you want on the ice in the last minute of a Stanley cup game - My choice is Muzzin and? angelo. Based on the trade proposal made he will fit under the cap and brings just what the Leafs need on D - Respect.
25 Sep 2019 11:27:04
Are you really comparing petro and jk. You think a sign and trade isn't going to cost a 1st and great prospect and more. Wow just wow the delusions of grandeur just continue on here lol.
25 Sep 2019 12:09:30
umm. it didn't cost St. Louis that much to do a sign and trade. did st. louis get a 1st. delusional or not but a sign and trade for a top RHD goes for a prospect and roster dump. plus carolina had to take money back . I don't think defencemen over 27 are worth what so many people think they are worth. just look at the recent deals.
25 Sep 2019 12:29:34
even Barrie a top 10 offensive dman in the league cost colorado retaining half his salary for Rosen (prospect) . leafs got kerfoot and a 3rd for kadri.
again the cost of getting a dman isn't what people think
Subban, signed long term, to take his whole salary cost Jersey next to nothing.
If people don't see the pattern here than i suggest you look for it a little more because its there.
25 Sep 2019 12:57:47
redwing1; are you on here to debate or blast everyone. I made a comment regarding Petro and I am now delusional. Did I say trade and sign - NO. I believe my valuation is fair based on what others are going for - look at Subban and what they sold him off for.
25 Sep 2019 14:07:51
In my opinion, the reason why the Blues dealt for and signed Faulk was because Pietrangelo was asking them for too much money (or more than they want to pay)
He will be a UFA next summer, the combined cap's of Barrie and Muzzin could be used to sign him
Leafs D next year
Rielly Pietrangelo
Dermott Ceci
Sandin Liljegren.
25 Sep 2019 14:11:18
If you think a rental winger get more than a top 10 Dman in the league then yes leaf fans are delusional. If you think petro and jf or Tyson berries are comparable to petro then yes you are delusional. Get a grip leaf fans. You will either have to knock the socks off with grwt deal or blues will just keep him for this run. Seriously try using your brains.
25 Sep 2019 15:59:10
redwing1; Please stop using delusional when describing us leaf fans. You are clearly not one and as you can see we are giving plenty of valuation feedback to support our trades. I am guessing a red wing fan who has nothing to cheer about so you blast the Leafs. BTW you fail to answer any comments I made, just spill more BS based on yours, and only your, opinion.
25 Sep 2019 16:02:59
whos a rental winger? kapanen 4 years and Bracco still RFA so 5 more years of control
where is a rental there?
Karlsson is rated way higher than Pietro and in his final year before UFA he was dealt to San Jose for next to nothing.
Using half my brain tells me that getting a Dman isn't as hard and won't get the huge return as some people seem to think. remember Karlsson is a Norris winner not potential winner but an actual winner.
25 Sep 2019 17:01:59
Craiger. I am merely referencing all the rental wingers that have been traded prior to this year. They have gotten a Good prospect and a 1st plus maybe another piece. Shatty got Sanford a 1st and something else I don't remember of the top of my head. So your offer for a top teir dman as a rental is so low its not funny.
16 when leaf fans make stupid and ridiculous claims and bs offers for top tier players then you infact are delusional. Try being objective. Do you seriously think the blues would make this trade. Please explain why they would take two 3rd pairing dmen and a middle six forward for a top 10 dman in the league. Dermont wouldn't make the team Ceci is ufa and Kappy (the only value) has only scored 44 points. The blues are already stacked with forward talent. There is no reason they would do this. Army would just keep petro, use him for the cup run and lose him if he can't resign.
So when you agree with bunk a ss trade offers you are delusional homers.
25 Sep 2019 18:26:49
so Redwing1, who could the leafs offer up for Petro. ; apparantly none of us know how to value players. Come on make your choice so we can BUNK on it. Easy to sit back and be a critic.
BTW now we are both stupid and delusional homers, I guess you know it all.
25 Sep 2019 18:47:41
so sanford, conditional 1st (cant be lottery if so becomes 2nd 2 years later) and a minor leaguer for Shatty and a minor goalie
so in 2019 that means
Timashev 22 ( more points in AHL than sanfoed did at the time)
Engvall 24 (career minor leaguer)
cond 1st 2021 (if lottery pick turns into 2nd 2022)
for
Pietroangelo
Ville Husso
seems about right. then leafs need to dump Ceci with a 3rd round pick for whoever takes his salary and their 5th round pick
done and done. thanks for proving my point redwing1.
25 Sep 2019 21:53:16
Wow just wow. Put that on the main board. I dare u lol.
26 Sep 2019 00:27:07
Yeah, that's nasty but just stating what st. louis got for at the time a top end defencemen wasnt as good as even you thought. Sanford only had part of a season with Hartford and a few games with new york. He wasnt even a top 50 pick in the draft. Yes, he did turn out to be good but at the time it looked to be a bad deal.
In the end you can't get too much for a soon to be ufa free agent. First, they usually want insane money until they are 35. Second, they are already 27 or older and starting to decline from their peak prime years. Most of the time the team dealing away the dman wins the deal because of the money they save.
Now if you get 2 playoff runs with the player before his ufa summer than the package is bigger. What st. louis gave up for faulk wasnt much. What they get for pietrangola may be better but not much.
Army is saying what he has to say to cause no conflict within the dressingroom. Its goid PR.
what did ottawa get for 2 years of service of karlsson.2 ok players for cap reason, a ok prospect and a conditional 1st rounder. If they were dealing him this year with only a year remainng on deal theyd only get a prospect, a minor player and a pick with conditions.
Show me an example that proves my theory wrong. I don't care about what people on forums think. I only care what really happens and by what I've seen last 4 years this is what really happens.
Carolina fans at moment feel they should of got more but in the end they got plenty.
26 Sep 2019 02:46:08
Meant sanford played in hershey for half a year and washington a few games before the deal was made for shatty. the 1st round pick st. louis received in shatty deal was farabee whom was the pick used by st. louis to aquire schenn from philly. so guess silver lining on that one.
Gotta say Army should be GM of the last half decade. the dude is a machine in wheelin and dealin. everything he deals for turns to gold.
26 Sep 2019 06:37:00
I don't think Petro and JK are really comparables neither is Subban. Subban went for a bag of pucks because they wanted to dump his salary not because he a UFA. If it came down to a deadline deal (yes I know the leafs have no first) I couldn't really see a way of getting him unless someone is hurt.
Tor Petro 5th
Stl Ceci, Kapanen,1st
My reasoning behind it is; Leafs only get a rental D but they need to lose salary in the equation. Stl gets a top 6 winger RFA on a good contract as well as a first. Ceci would be a cap dump since they won't trade him unless they aren't making the playoffs.