26 Sep 2019 16:41:52
Leafs trade Muzzin, Hollowell. 2nd
St. Louis trades Pietrangelo

Pretty straightforward and obvious why each team does this. Trade from position of strength to address position of weakness.

Despite RedWing’s guaranteed amusing response, I think this deal adds up pretty closely.

26 Sep 2019 16:51:33
Rielly/ Pietrangelo
Dermott/ Barrie
Sandin/ Ceci

If salaries don’t work out is fine, we can dump cap easy enough by waiving a few players or by trading Ceci for a bag of pucks and run Liljegren 3RHD.

26 Sep 2019 17:35:57
not a bad trade but don't think Hollowell needs to be thrown in.

maybe a lesser prospect but that 2nd with Muzzin is close to equal the value.

26 Sep 2019 17:46:25
Would hate to loose Muzzin, he looks awesome out there in preseason but if a deal can be made I would go Muzzin for Petro straight up. Ages are close and both will be UFA's next July. Nice to see different names.

26 Sep 2019 17:48:44
Yeah blues just laugh it off and say no thanks.

Please explain why the blues get worse for a maybe prospect. Just not worth it. Besides blues have plenty of room next year to sign petro to 8-9 mil a year. that's only a 2-3 million raise. Jaybo makes 3.25 and Schenn makes 5.125. Thomas can replace shenn. So this is not good for a championship defending team to take a major down grade for nothing.

26 Sep 2019 17:49:39
Sorry boys but you are not getting petro. Enjoy your season with the defenders you have. LOL.

26 Sep 2019 18:09:29
reilly, muzzin, barrie vs pietroangelo, parayko and faulk

thats pretty damn close.

differance is st. louis h potential has proven to have a higher ceiling but also their potential to be bad also has a higher ceiling

ill take steady every day of the week.

26 Sep 2019 18:12:16
Redwing thinks his players are worth a lot . i'm glad he isn't a GM lol.

26 Sep 2019 20:28:16
As much as I like Pietrangelo, he will certainly cost much more than Muzzin to re-sign. That will have to be taken into consideration.

26 Sep 2019 21:02:47
Every leaf fan thinks every single player they have is the best and way overrates them. To say I over value my players coming from a leaf fan is the most irony I have read in a long time.


Yes I value petro over every single dman you have. Just until last year I would have I valued him higher than morgan rielly. That's my opinion. Now just so you know the blues are defending a cup and trading down defenders is just not happening.

26 Sep 2019 21:45:03
I don't want Lili playing NHL hockey. Nothing against him but he isn't ready for it like Sandin is and he needs another year to develop. Rather let one of the depth guys get the spot.

26 Sep 2019 22:59:49
Who said anything about re-signing him? Lol. I don’t even think Leafs are going to re-sign Muzzin or Barrie. Rielly is our focus on defense. He will be the only $10M defenseman Leafs will be carrying for a long time. Sandin, Liljegren, and the rest will be our cheap replacements. Leafs continue to draft and develop from within and trade for UFA rentals at deadline to fill in the blanks. That’s my guess anyway.

Does Pietrangelo really increase our odds that much better than Muzzin? Not really. But he is RHD and Muzzin is LHD, which is the only reason I suggested this trade. That and I wanted to irritate RedWing a little more. Maybe start up the whole Muzzin vs Pietrangelo debate again. Lol.

@Craigger
I don’t believe the difference between muzzin and Pietrangelo is so huge either. I would have offered a 1st + Muzzin straight up, but our 1st is conditional to Carolina, so technically we can’t trade either this years or next years 1st yet. That’s why I offered the 2nd and suggested Hollowell, who I agree is a very good prospect. He’s not a maybe. I really think Hollowell has potential to be a top 4 defenseman one day. But in an effort to try and placate RedWing, I figured I would throw Hollowell in too.

Too bad RedWing is so partisan it makes debate with him almost impossible. Let’s just wait and see who does better this year. I think a full season in Toronto will see Muzzin have a career year. He is a top 25 defenseman in the league, and on a lot of teams, including St. Louis, would be 1LHD. Anybody who watches hockey regularly and takes time to look at the stats, and not just the headline numbers, would see Muzzin and Pietrangelo are very nearly same value. The difference is small. Though Pietrangelo is RHD and brings a small amount of other intangibles to the team the Leafs could use.

26 Sep 2019 23:32:08
They are not the same not even close.

27 Sep 2019 01:35:05
@LeafsGm J don't think Muzzin will look much better this year as opposed to last year. What he did last year was obvious to anyone that understands the game. That won't change this year as he will never be a 50+ pt guy. Just not in his game.

@Craigger I would take St. Louis D corps in that situation every time. I am not a fan of Barrie as I think most have realized by now lol and think he is very overrated.

27 Sep 2019 10:06:08
@ leafslife you may very well be right about Barrie. My point was if you look at last year 1st half st. louis defence looked lost and disfunctional. that's why i stated when they are bad their bad is horrible. However, when they are good they proved they were awesome.

The leafs defence when they were bad they were still half descent but when they played their best still were just alright. They were more steady and consistant.

Even boston proved this. they exposed st. louis and destroyed them in 2 of the 7 games however, when st. louis played at their best they were able to defencively make boston look silly. Toronto on other hand never had any real defencive lapse in the boston series. In fact game in and game out they looked the same. not bad but not great.

Thats my point at their best st. louis looks great but at their worst they look like a very flawed team.

27 Sep 2019 11:42:14
They looked lost and dysfunctional for two reasons.
1) Allen couldn't stop a beach ball

2) yeo's system was God awefu l and took Berube a few weeks to fix.

Also craigger every team is bound to habe a few bad games. No one dismisses that Boston was an offensive juggernaught. If you actually look at the points that Boston got in the previous 3 series then compare them to the blues series you will see a significant decline in their scoring ability. Every series blues where in their top lines were shutdo wn top players held of the score sheet. This is not a coincidence at all.

27 Sep 2019 11:59:17
That coaching switch midseason was yet another pure genious move made by what I've said for a while the GM of the half decade

Mr. Armstrong.

27 Sep 2019 12:33:37
Yeo was just hot garbage. When the players come out and say they have no idea what he is trying to do with his system there is something seriously wrong.

27 Sep 2019 18:17:07
@Craigger as you stated yourself the first half of the season doesn't count. Bad coach, bad system.

We can say what we want about inconsistent Blues D but the leafs got better goaltending and still did worse overall. How can we really argue? Freddy game 6 could have stolen that game but it was full of lazy plays and defensive lapses forcing him to play that well.