11 Jan 2020 15:17:48
Dermott and Kapanen for Pesce

Moving forward, here is what I see. And of course if the leafs think differently there is zero possibility

On defence, my personal opinion is they should resign muzzin. Who knows how much but say $6m. Now on the left side, if that happens and sandin moves up, there is no room for Dermott

So he plays right u say. OK. Holl was signed and they seem happy to play him with muzzin. If Liljegren moves up, that leaves the top pairing for Dermott

Is he a top pairing guy? I've paid attention to his play lately and I've noticed a lot of giveaways. I personally don't think so

Kapanen I just don't like. Skates like the wind but little else in my eyes

Pesce fills a need.

11 Jan 2020 18:15:54
If you get pesce know that sandin or liljgren are going other wsy.

11 Jan 2020 18:57:05
Nylander is to much and Kappy is not enough. adding Dermott is fair. I like the deal and I hope the Leafs resign Muzzin as well. B great to have 2 solid top 4 defensive dmen.

11 Jan 2020 20:56:58
I would take this deal and I'm sure Carolina would as well.

11 Jan 2020 21:05:08
Why is that redwing. I've noticed u make many comments but usually just to make fun of others or offer an opinion that has little to no basis in fact or reality. Is it intentional? Personally I couldn't care less but if it is, you really need to find other things to do. Quite sad really.

11 Jan 2020 21:09:40
Having responded once to redwings comment, I will respond a second time and ask others. Would u keep Dermott and trade Liljegren and Kapanen for Pesce?

For me, Dermott will be looking for a nice pay day, say $3m. But if Pesce arrives he is on third pairing. Which economically speaking makes no sense to me. So a question.

What other defenceman who makes $5m or less, would u trade for and give up Kapanen and Dermott in return. Who fits.

12 Jan 2020 01:04:47
@moneytalks

RedWing is an instigator. He spews crap he greats from other posters on the main page. He thinks these guys are analysts or something. He never backs his comments up with anything silly like stats or facts. Just comment by fiat. When pressed he resorts to challenging us to re-post our trades on the main page, which he himself has done several times, only to be told in the majority of cases he is wrong anyway. He is deeply outdated on the value of players and the major shifts undergoing in the league. As a result, his thought processes are warped. Kinda like Babcock, he just hasn’t kept up with the changing times. I used to think it was intentional with the goal to troll and irritate. But I’ve come to realize that what he is saying he truest believes is true, despite all evidence pointing against him. Even when he is directly proven to be wrong, he makes up excuses. (Karlsson, Trouba, Subban are three major trades that he was way off on for example) . Is he was saying these things 3-5 years ago, he was right. But not now. He has failed to appreciate the massive influx of elite defensemen coming into the league, which lowers the value of these older guys. If you can get him to open up a little and explain himself more, he actually does have a good grasp on things. He is just too stubborn and obstinwnt to change his thinking patterns to match the new nhl. The game is changing, rapidly, and he hasn’t picked up on it yet. And to give him credit, the Blues are a highly successful team, so I can understand why he is that way. But what works for the Blues doesn’t work for everyone. And just because Pietrangelo might be an expensive free agent doesn’t mean his trade value is sky high. As a pending UFA, Pietrangelo gets what Karlsson got in a trade. Like in law, precedents are what set the market in hockey. Until RedWing starts looking at recent trade activity and understand the ideological shift underway in the nhl, he will never grasp the full importance of the magnitude this is having on the game as a whole. So, when faced with silly things like facts and math, he falls back on dogma and fiat statements. Which means that it will be Kappy, Sandin, 1st for a guy like Pesce, who is a 2RHD at best on virtually any team in the league. Pesce is a very good player. A top 4 defenseman on most teams, yes. But he is not elite. That’s why he makes $4.5M, not $9M+. And a trade like Kapanen, Sandin, 1st is a trade you make for a guy like Jones or last years Dumba, or any others lie that who are true 1RHDs.

Just grin and bear it. And when it becomes insufferable, challenge him to show his work. Provide explanations, precedents, stats. He won’t. He’ll drop it and go into hiding for a day or two and pop up again once a new contributor posts a weak proposal that is easy for him to jump on to “prove” his point that all Leaf fans are delusional.

Don’t worry about him though Moneytalks. He’s harmless though irritating. And he does have some good points and he does help keep the more outlandish contributors tethered to reality somewhat.

12 Jan 2020 01:10:23
To me it’s simple Dermott has actually looked pretty solid this year and is a proven nhl player Lilegren plays the right side and looks to be finally finding a bit of his game but still has no nhl experience so if it was one or the other I’d take Dermott he’s a good enough skater to play the right side imo. but with that being said I think Carolina would be asking for a forward or goalie prospect they have guys like bean fluery who are more than capable of filling that role so to me it would be kappy and Bracco for Pesce.

12 Jan 2020 02:18:39
Leafs can spend $20m on defence unless they change the team substantially.

Reilly, Pesce, muzzin, holl, sandin and Liljegren in that range. One of Liljegren or Dermott will go

We shall see i guess.

12 Jan 2020 04:44:23
I would trade Lili and keep Dermott. I don't see any way to resign Reilly to the 11-14/ yr (no idea what cap will be by then) he will command. I think it's safe to say 50/ 50 shot he leaves when contract is up. Dermott and Sandin become the future on that side.

I have hopes for Lili I do. I really don't dislike the guy but I would rather a proven NHL quality guy than an unproven one.

12 Jan 2020 14:50:40
Finally I read something about Reilly leaving. Assuming that's the case, when do u trade him. For that matter, Andersen is likely in same boat.

12 Jan 2020 18:06:03
Pesce would be the guy paired with Reilly. He would be the best defensive Dman on your team. I sit here and laugh offerening no explanation because I have answered this trade and many like it several times. It goes in one ear and out the other with you guys. Know that pesce is highly regarded and coveted by Carolina. No team in nhl is the legs farm system so your sheet offered don't cut it or they would have been done by now.

12 Jan 2020 18:07:29
Also if you want to say past trades run the market then blues offer Sanford Steen 1st 2020 2nd 2021 for nylander cause tha ts what blues paid for ror. see what I mean.

12 Jan 2020 22:30:26
I've read your responses many times. Don't recall too many intelligent responses. So I shall ignore them moving forward. As I'm sure most do.