23 Mar 2020 22:24:46
Hey guys.....I am expecting negative feedback on this one but I guess I am just bored and spit balling a trade scenario for Marner...Here goes nothing!

To Sabres:
Marner
Sandin

To Leafs:
Dahlin
Reinhart

This is my attempt to get some cap relief for the Leafs....we get Reinhart who could slot in on 3rd line bumping Nylander and Kapanen to 1st & 2nd RW lines....He get a real good LD in Rasmus who is more advanced than Sandin...For Sabres they get Marner..a RW guy that can help set up Eichel and make a good pairing for their 1st line...Sandin gives them a good prospect on D....again doubt Sabres do it but just tyring to offer a different trade scenario from all the usual suspects we get in trade proposals

24 Mar 2020 00:57:36
Based on past trades we can all come up with pretty much exactly what Nylander or Kapanen are worth give or take based on opinion. When it comes to Marner I can honestly say I have no idea what he is worth. I have a feeling Buffalo declines but in all reality had a sub 100pts, 20 goal scorer ever been given an 11/ 6 deal before? Closest comparison I can think of to Marner is Panarin but Panarin looked far better this year and was signed not traded.

My roundabout way of saying it's a good prop as its original and I have a feeling we need to add in a prospect but I really don't know.

24 Mar 2020 04:50:22
I like it. Lol. Aside from putting Reinhart on the third line and having Kapanen ahead of him (that's a tough scenario to imagine), I like the idea. Dahlin is looking like he really will be a superstar in the league one day. He's miles ahead of most players his age, including Sandin. Sandin is a very highly rated prospect himself though.

I guess the only real issue I have with it is that Dahlin is LHD. So where would we play him. I don't know if he can play RHD or not, If he can, great. If not, then 3LHD doesn't seem like a very good spot for what is a franchise defenseman that is already playing top line minutes. In fact, anything other than 1RHD beside Reilly kinda seems like a real waste of his talent. He really is that good.

I hate to see Marner go to a divisional rival, but Dahlin is one of the few defensemen I would trade Marner for. He's young, has one more year elc, won't cost $11M to re-sign, and will be on the team for many years. This is the perfect type of player we should be looking for. Only thing is that pesky left hand shot of his. If he was a natural right this would be a no-brainer.

24 Mar 2020 12:32:26
hey guys. thanks. really wasn't expecting such positive feedback. so like I said my idea here was to get rid of one of the big contracts. to free up cap. and I did not include the next part of my moves as I thought this one alone might not go over to well. but here is what I would target as a second deal which will help clear up what to do with a talent like Dahlin. I would try to contact the Ducks and try to pry away Manson and Heinen. maybe send over a package of Kerfoot, Johnsson and Dermott. with possibly a high pick to sweeten the deal as it was said Ducks were not interested in trading Manson. as for Ranheim on 3 line should he/ can he play on 2nd. and move him on line with Tavares?

So here are the lineups and signs after a trade with Ducks:
Hyman, LW $2,250,000.Matthews, C $11,634,000.Nylander, RW $6,962,366.$20,846,366

Mikheyev, LW $1,500,000.Tavares, C $11,000,000.Reinhart, RW $5,000,000 (signed 5 years) . $17,500,000

Heinen, C $2,800,000.Spezza, C $700,000 (signed 1 year) . Kapanen, RW $3,200,000.$6,700,000

Engvall, LW $1,250,000.Gauthier, C $1,000,000 (signed 2 years) . Pitlick, RW $2,500,000 (signed 2 years) . $4,750,000

Total:$49,796,366

Rielly, LD $5,000,000.Manson, RD $4,100,000.$9,100,000

Dahlin, LD $925,000.DeMelo RD, $4,500,000 (signed for 5 years) . $5,425,000

Muzzin, LD $5,625,000.Liljegren, RD $863,333.$6,488,333

Holl, RD $2,000,000

Andersen, G $5,000,000
Campbell, G $1,650,000

Total:$6,650,000

Kessel $1,200,000

Total Cap:$80,459,699

SO this keepd us under current cap if it does not go up. also Holl is probly overpaid as a 7th D and could be traded. Muzzin could also be traded should we need cap to sign guys like Freddy or Hyman or could be exposed in expansion draft again if we need the cap space or maybe if Rielly asks for too much he can be traded and Dahlin moves to first line with Manson. Muzzin stays on 2nd as shut down pair with Demelo…. Rielly should fetch us a pretty good young D prospect to replace Sandin on 3rd again if we can't sign him due to cap.

24 Mar 2020 15:34:51
Would hate to trade away Muzzin and Dermott but dahlin is clearly worth more so I agree it's worth it. The big thing though is with Dahlin is essentially says let Reilly walk in a few years or trade him.

24 Mar 2020 15:40:38
Why DeMelo over Holl? I think Holl might actually be the better player, even though I haven't seen enough of DeMelo lately to make a true judgement. I'd rather just out Liljegren on 2RHD with Dahlin and move Holl to 3RHD and keep Marincin and Rosen as our 7/ 8 defensemen. But I guess everyone is different and sees things differently.

I can't see Dubas paying $2.5M to play on the 4th line. We traded Brown away, who is a better player, because he made more than $2M and played 4th line. And we probably won't sign Clifford for much the same reason. Dubas believes that 4th line players should be only paid league minimum. Whether I agree with that or not, it's what he believes.

Otherwise I think it's a strong team. Looks like a better team than what we got now even. If only Dubas would play some guys with a bit of guts instead of a group of figure skaters.

24 Mar 2020 17:14:29
Tavares has shown over his career he's a bit of an anomaly. He seems to score at a near identical pace regardless of line mates. Even this year with Marner or Nylander same scoring. Last year seems like it was just luck more than anything as his shooting percentage was so high. I would have no issue with this lineup as I still see him scoring 30 goals and 70 pts.

More I think about it though more I say you trade Reilly is this scenario. My favorite leaf and should be captain but he should bring such a vast return that it makes sense. You can trade Reilly and Dermott while still running a LHD of Muzzin, Dahlin, Sandin in any order.

I would propose something along the lines of Reilly+ Dermott to Minnesota for Dumba+1st. Solidifies the right side, gives Minny an RFA they can work with and can then try to trade Reilly for something else if they can't resign him. While giving us a top 5 protected pick that should be in the top 10 as I don't see Minny going anywhere at the moment.

This trade actually intrigued me more than I thought it would at first glance lol.

24 Mar 2020 17:41:28
@LeafsGM. Dubas probly would not pay 2.5 for forth liner but "we" are the GM's here. lol. I did all this and stayed within this year's cap. assuming it does not go out. I added Pitlick as I tardes away all our current bottom 6 wingers/ centers and needed to add someone. maybe I gave Pitlick too much. I just over estimated there. this could be lower or could be some other ufa of your choosing. heck could be Korshkov at that minimum salary meaning we have extra cap space. I live in Ottawa so am forcefed a lot of Sens hockey. so I saw Demelo a lot. he is a big minutes eater on 2nd pairing against top teams nothing fancy. gave him a larger amount as it was a longer contract. as LeafsLife said he likes Muzzin. so do I just ended up with so many moving parts. would all hinge on Sabres deal first. if we got Dahlin. if so then maybe we just right out send Rielly who I also like to Wild as Leafslife suggested. we'd need a LD then as Dermott was still part of one of the trades


Dahlin. Manson
Muzzin. Dumba
. Liljegren

see LeafsLife…. i'm not a complete jerk. glad the trade intrigued you. both of you really I feared hearing back from either of you but have enjoyed this discusion
Holl.

24 Mar 2020 19:45:16
I'm kinda wondering if Leafs might not be thinking about trading Reilly in a couple years anyway. If Sandin really does break out into a top line franchise defenseman, then it would make sense to trade Reilly for a boatload of picks/ prospects than to let him walk to free agency. Of course Leafs already have shown they would rather let high quality players go for free if they think they have a Stanley Cup contending team.

24 Mar 2020 22:08:24
That's a good point. We are the GM's on this site. It's not like I think Dubas has been doing a good job anyway. In fact, I even took the name LeafsGM cause I got to play gm here. If you want to pay a 4th liner $2.5M and can make it work cap wise, then that's nothing to do with Dubas. Blues won last year because of full team contributions. Guys like Maroon chipping in key goals at crucial times. Leafs don't have that depth. I like the idea of having a strong team all the way. Leafs studs'n'duds system creates one of the most lopsided teams you can have. They talk about all the skill. We got four forwards and one defenseman. After that the skill drops fairly significantly. By the time you hit the 4th line you have a bunch of ahl'ers basically. There is no middle class in the Leafs. Our structure itself is flawed. That's why teams like Boston, Washington, Blues, and Philly are all good of the league and Leafs are a bubble team. Because after those four guys and one defenseman we are running a team of rookies and ahl'ers.

Good job Loxley. I like that team. It looks better than the one we have. Dahlin is going to be a superstar and I'm jealous Buffalo has him. He's already looking better than Ekblad, who was the last defenseman drafted 1st overall.

24 Mar 2020 22:53:39
thanks LeafsGM. totally agree. that's what I was going for. less top skill but more balanced. and did not need 3 or 4 guys on long term injured reserve to do it within regular cap. As for Dubas. his biggest mistakes was "we can and we will" along with. "I am not trading Nylander on my watch" comments. rokkie mistake and cockiness saying that. shot himself in the foot. what was one thing Babcock complained about and Keefe has hinted at when we had all those injuries. NO DEPTH. like ya said we have 4 top guys. shut them down and that's it. top D gets hurt? no depth. why? cause a bunch of ahl'er's and guys coming over from Russia might surprise us but can't pick up the slack. we still have nothing in Marlies. well hardly and now there is less. we need a balanced line. Dubas cleaned up mistakes in Marleau and Zaitsev but made his own by signing the young kids to all that money and got caught up in the yearly game of which big free agent will leafs sign this year when he got JT. next year was looking the same with Pietrangelo…. who I don't want to give 10 million to. and thankfully I doubt they will be able to now. Dahlin of course is a fantasy trade but moving guys like Rielly and Marner we could definitely add D like Dumba and Manson and Demelo. along with better cheaper forwards than we have now. for me D should be allocated between 20 and 23 mil max. goaltending is fine what we have now. maybe another million. the rest should go to forwards.