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27 May 2020 18:14:42
(this site is for fun so don't roast me too hard).
leafs trade:
Andersen(his contracts almost up) and a conditional 3rd round pick(where if cunucks win the stanley cup it becomes a 5th round pick)
canucks trade:
demko and stecher

seattle takes kerfoot. leafs sign: leivo, maroon and clifford/spezza. trade malgin, johnsson and gauthier for draftpicks. leafs trade holl and a 4th/3rd for fabbri.

hyman,matthews,marner
mikheyev,tavares,nylander
engvall,fabbri,leivo
clifford/spezza,brooks,maroon

rielly,muzzin
sandin,stecher
dermott,lehtonen

campbell,demko

thoughts?

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27 May 2020 18:16:41
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.

27 May 2020 18:16:47
forgot to mention that the cunuck trade happends if markstrom is gone.

27 May 2020 18:24:26
Vancouver is somewhere between a rebuild and contending. I don't think they want a rental goalie for demko.

Leivo won't sign. He would want a bigger role than he will be given.

27 May 2020 19:14:13
what do you think needs to changed (sorry for any double comments my computer isn't working all to good right now.

27 May 2020 19:20:47
It make sense for the Leafs to try and trade Andersen before he becomes an older, expensive, UFA. The Leafs don't need to be saddled with a Carey Price type of contract. There are a lot of younger and cheaper top end goalies that are UFA every season.

27 May 2020 19:40:07
if leivo doesn't sign who should they sign/ trade for instead.

27 May 2020 19:46:11
I wouldn't sign a winger of any kind. Really no need to pick up anymore forwards with what is currently on the roster and in the system.

I would like to see Gudas signed. LHD and I seem to be big fans of his lol.

For a goalie there are innumerable choices. There are a tonne of goalies available that won't be able to demand Bobrovski/ price type contracts.

27 May 2020 19:58:45
Is Demko any good? I mean it’s a leap trading your current starter for a backup goalie.

27 May 2020 20:36:40
the way i see it is that demko could take over starter for andersen and campbell (if they trade i'm in the future) and he would be younger and cheaper for the future.

27 May 2020 21:16:01
Welcome to the site. i'd be up for the Andersen trade especially if we could get them to include joulevi. My outlook on them being between rebuild and hopeful Is that they likely want to go for it in pettersen and Hughes elc's I'm a big fan of leivo's but I don't see him resigning in toronto. I'd love to see him given a chance in the top 6. He was just one of those players babcock decided he didn't like and ruined his chances in TO

I would have loved to see a top 9 of

Hyman tavares nylander
Leivo Matthews marner
Micheyev kadri kapanen

Literally just sign pk players and don't play then unless you are short handed
Defense pairings

Reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl
Sandin dermott
Lehtonen lily
Marincin

Hell change up the concept and run 9 forwards 9 defenseman
Marincin is only penalty kill rotate the other 8

reilly gardiner
Muzzin holl get 20 minutes each a night reilly gardiner offensive starts muzzin holl defensive starts and you put the other 2 pairs in when they need breaks, you then run 3 defenseman and a forward for draws on the penalty kill, unless you have a defenseman who can take the draws. I like to look at things through a different lens some times. People may like the idea or find it crazy but I'm just here to try and generate conversation. When I'm not busy wishing for things.

Would've been nice though either way if Dubas didn't trade Leivo and didn't trade kadri.

27 May 2020 21:17:25
That's an interesting condition on the pick. I don't think I've ever seen it works in reverse. But hey, if Vancouver took it, I don't see why not.

Demko is a good choice, but if Markstrom doesn't re-sign, I don't think Vancouver would trade him for a rental like Andersen. DiPietro isn't ready for NHL action and would be a poor backup right now.

27 May 2020 22:00:06
I would trade Anderson if the leafs can sign Lehner or Markstrom.

27 May 2020 22:09:10
Instead of trading for Demko, maybe Leafs should co sider signing Markstrom or Lehner I stead, and trade Andersen for picks/ prospects after?

What are your thoughts on that on Jayden?

27 May 2020 22:21:11
if they could get a goalie like that after all the forwards then ya why the heck not.

27 May 2020 22:31:23
Randy that's a really interesting idea. Good post.

With the way Dubas wants his team run it makes perfect sense to me. Your top 6 play 45 minutes a game third line plays 15.

27 May 2020 22:34:25
Josh Leivo oh yes a sure top niner. Lol
Hey Kadri how is the view from the press box? I ask after game3 of the opening round. Yet again.

27 May 2020 23:20:19
@Randy

I like that idea too actually. And that is a very creative approach to the roster. With Barrie or Gardiner on the team we could have used either one of them like a roving forward like what Nashville does with Josi. Reilly is probably capable of the same thing. I don't know if top two lines could play 22.5 minutes each a night, but I bet they could come pretty close. Even if I my the four of MNMT play 22.5 minutes each a night, they can rotate the other five guys in and out, distributing the minutes how they feel fit best. Add to that Reilly and Muzzin playing 20+ minutes a night, and you only have to give the rest of the six :-o other defensemen limited minutes distributed how you see fit. It could easily be done.

Dubas likes trying new things. He wants to lead the revolution. This would be a massive transformation in the way the game is played. If it actually worked, Dubas could be assured a spot in the Hall of Fame before he was 40.

28 May 2020 00:01:58
Right I feel like the way he has done his contracts he has to look for the best way to utilize those players. I would love to see it tried, watch we see it in like 20 years haha you all saw it here first.

28 May 2020 01:47:28
Me and MostLeaf had the same idea 9 minutes apart. Lol.

28 May 2020 03:54:37
Detroit would never make the Fabbri trade. Holl is way out of their age range for the rebuild. And those picks aren't worth it for him. Fabbri is working out really well in Detroit. They are the going to lose him for a guy that won't be on the team in two years and a couple picks that might never make the team.

28 May 2020 04:15:19
@LeafsLife

At first I agreed with you unconditionally about Leivo not signing here. But then I started thinking. If Leafs have to trade out salary, that could mean any of all three of JKK could be gone. Which could open up the spot for Leivo. He would be a good choice for 3LW in that case.

And since he left on good terms, with Dubas doing him a favor and trading him for less than market value so he could get the playing time he deserved somewhere else, he might be inclined to sign here again knowing that Dubas will be good to his word and give him the aging time here or trade him again to a team that will.

If we lose our third line though, Leivo is actually a real good choice to consider. I liked Leivo.

28 May 2020 04:47:23
@Randy

The way he has done his contracts, I figure he is going to have to run with a short roster. I believe at one point this year when By an came back from injury we ran with a 21 man roster for a few games until someone else got hurt and gave us the LTIR we needed again to bring up a couple more plugs.

League minimum is a 20 man roster. 9 forwards + 8 defensemen + 2 goalies gives 19 man roster, so we would have to have another plugs on the forwards to ride pine. But you make a good case, and it could conceivably be done.

I bet Dubas would do it but Shanahan would never let him

I wonder though if the thought ever occured to Dubas that his whole studs'n'duds approach might have worked in ohl because the studs were 19 and 20 year old men playing against 15 and 16 year old kids?

28 May 2020 04:51:06
Wouldn't be the first time Randy lol. I remember saying he wanted to get paid for bad contracts at one point. He was ousted as a GM (for separate reasons) and now we see exactly this happen. Only takes one GM or coach to win in a new way for it to become commonplace. Best example is the neutral zone trap.

28 May 2020 14:25:10
@LeafsLife

Who are you talking about here? Lou?

And I agree with you about your comment on innovation in the industry. It only takes one person to lead the way and then the copycats emerge. If Dubas is successful, he will be in the HHOF. If he fails, he will be remembered as a worse GM than JFJ. There's nothing wrong with trying new things. Except when there is. I would have liked to see the Leafs try this Studs'n'Duds approach when MNM were still on their ELC's. An extra three years of observation at a time when it was not consequential could have given us so we real insight whether it would work or not. Taking an all-in approach now, when we have such a narrow compete window, is a real gamble.







 

 

 
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