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05 Nov 2020 19:46:05
Not that Dubas would, but if he was to move Marner,

Fla
Marner 10.89
Liljegren .863

Tot
Ekblad 7.5
Vatrano 2.5
Knight ELC

Fla gets the star winger who is only owed $700,000 in salary this year and a cheap replacement on the RD in Liljegren. If they re-sign Weegar, they still have a very solid d-core and now a high end winger to play with Barkov/Huberdeau. Marner is exactly the type of player they need and can promote to put fans.

Leafs get a #1 partner for Rielly in Ekblad who has term, a middle 6 winger in Vatrano who plays a Hymanesque game and their goalie of the future in Knight while cutting cap by $.9M

Mikheyev Matthews Hyman
Vatrano Tavares Nylander
Vesey Kerfoot Simmonds
Thornton Spezza (Robertson, Anderson, Boyd, Barabanov)

Rielly Ekblad
Muzzin Brodie
Dermott/Lehtonen/Bogosian

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05 Nov 2020 21:02:45
It’s a solid suggestion but on the flip side vatrano saves leafs 250 grand and ekblad is owed only 2 million in real money this year and 31 million over 5 years.

Just thought if you put out marners savings you got to show Florida’s as well

Good trade though.

05 Nov 2020 21:38:41
It's a good trade but I don't think they throw in Knight. 2-2 it's a good deal.

05 Nov 2020 22:54:36
The only obstacle in the way of making this deal happen is Marner's hugh contract. Not many teams would want his cap hit in this flat cap era.

05 Nov 2020 22:59:25
I hear what you are saying Craigger about savings, but reality is, before the trade Fla owes Ekblad 2M and Vatrano 2.25M. After the trade, they only owe Marner the .700 and Liljegren if he makes the team. The cash savings this year for Fla is as much as 3.5M. Yes they could spend about 36M on 5 years of Ekblad and two years of Vatrano or about the same for 5 years of Marner.

LL. I think the deal is fair especially when Fla saves minimum 2.6M in real money this year and Bob is signed for so many more years.

06 Nov 2020 10:19:04
Florida does save big time this season if this deal happened

Ekblads contract is awesome for final 5 years.

06 Nov 2020 16:01:13
RLF

I hear ya, my issue is more that Knight is a top goalie prospect. I don't think they have an issue moving him just that they would want something better in return.

06 Nov 2020 17:53:57
I don’t like arguing value, because it is so subjective. But the way I look at it is like this:

Marner = Ekblad
But the cap hits don’t match, so a salary dump is included. Vatrano isn’t a typical cap dump because he is actually playing up to the value of his contract. In other words, he actually has value in a trade. Wennberg does not. At $2.25M and a pending UFA, he is a more stereotypical cap dump.

Which leaves Liljegren for Knight. Which i would tend to argue Knight has more value, but that’s debateable. And if you feel Marner is worth more than Ekblad, the equation becomes:

(Marner - Ekblad) = (Knight - Liljegren)

Wennberg doesn’t figure in because he is a cap dump and has no value.

It’s a good prop for sure. I guess it all boils down to what you think a fair cap dump is, and how much you see difference in value between the two prospects is. It’s close enough that it is something both sides would have to seriously consider.

06 Nov 2020 20:39:01
Very well put HL.

That tends to be where most of the debates come from. I would argue that TOR gets the better end of the deal taking on a decent player+ekblad while FLA gets Marner at almost 11aav.

06 Nov 2020 20:57:53
Agree with hockeyluvr

Adding a cap dump instead of a player worth his contract to make up cap difference between the 2 seems more fair.

With weegar now signed I think 3.25 and Florida still having 8.5 million in space adding marners cap hit doesn’t affect them as his salary is what Florida wants to save.

Since liljegren and marner = 11.5 and ekblad and wennberg = 9.75 and since each player is in fact replacing other teams players no transactions are required to replace any player. Florida helps leafs with cap issues so Toronto should reward them for this and a 3rd round pick seems to be the price for taking on 1.75 in cap space

Marner and ekblad have same term left However liljegren is controllable for many more years while wennberg is gone after 1 so Florida should reward leafs for Liljegrens extra years. Tough to know what that value is so let’s just value it as 1 round per age difference. 26-21 means 5 rounds. Starting at round 7 for 1 year we’d get 3rd round for 5 years. Now deal is even

Since I made a value for cap space this year I have to do same for salary for this year
Marner and liljegren are owed 1.563 in real money but could become 1.9563 if liljegren performs well enough to get bonus so we will just assume he will.
Ekblad and wennberg are owed 4.25 million. So what is 2.25 in real cash worth. Again I’m going to have to go with good ole reliable 3rd round pick

Marner may be owed only 700 grand to ekblads 2 million this year but over next 5 years marner is owed 35 to ekblads 31. So now Florida loses out money wise over time between the 2 main players. Something needs to be done to help Florida financially with that 4 million gained without affecting leafs cap to badly.

Now that I’ve valued the deal on the contract cap salary duration side of things let’s compare actual on ice worth

Marner for ekblad is pretty close. It’s really a coin flip and as hockeyluvr stated very subjective to what you value more and how you value it. For me a top pairing RHD is more valuable than a 1st line RW. However I also think Florida needs offence way more than Toronto needs defence due to offseason. Since teams generally know other teams weaknesses and deal to take advantage of those weaknesses I do believe money and cap aside Florida would pay a bit extra in a marner for ekblad deal. Not much more so a former 3rd round pick so max gildon type guy.

Liljegren for wennberg isn’t close. Wennberg on ice has become a disaster. Most nights he was in a press box and that was on a less offensive skilled team than leafs have. Columbus had to pay just to get rid of him. At 26 there isn’t much upside. He may turn it around and crack Florida’s bottom 6 but that doesn’t say much as Florida barely has a top 3 let alone 6. Can he crack this leafs team even without marner. I have a hard time seeing it.
Liljegren due to his draft position has become leafs nation poster bust boy but why? He is 21. Only 2 Dmen from his draft class have made a inpact and they were both top 3-4 pick. Big difference. Liljegren still has potential to be top 4 dman and by his last year in AHL now is showing his offensive capabilities. Toronto’s offseason is going to make it tough for him to crack Toronto but take away ekblad and lilly definetly cracks Florida’s lineup.
I’d have to think Florida adds a former 5th round prospect like Henry rybinski

So as far as original deal marner liljegren for ekblad vatrano and knight is a big no. That deal leafs would need to add Robertson and sandin probably

Hockeyluvr counter of marner liljegren for ekblad wennberg and knight is much closer

I came up with a 3rd gildon and Rybinsky as the difference between marner liljegren for ekblad and wennberg

So gildon Rybinsky and a 3rd what is that for a value. Maybe a 2nd round prospect like serron noel.

In my opinion even though knight is probably baried for a while his value is still that of a former mid 1st round pick so leafs would need to add more to get him. So far they have enough for a 2nd round prospect. What more would be needed to up that to knights level.







 

 

 
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