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11 Nov 2020 16:12:17
In my last post I spoke about how we have too much depth and people were kinda disagreeing because of C.V. and what not. But these are the lines as of right now.
Hyman Matthews Marner
Mikheyev Tavares Nylander
Kerfoot Thornton Simmonds
Engvall Spezza Barbanov
With extras being Roberson, Boyd, Anderson, petan, Korkoshov, Brookes and agostino. Meaning the third line in the ahl if u sign a guy means the third line ahl could honestly prob be a half decent nhl fourth line. I'm not mad about the amount of depth it's just our young guys may not get better.

So I would say just trade one guy and right now engvall is the odd one out for me.


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11 Nov 2020 19:38:41
I don't think Engvall plays barring injury so I would also suggest trading him.

I don't think you get a third though.

11 Nov 2020 20:00:00
Engvall probably doesn't make the roster anyway.

Cap constraints and defensive depth will likely leave the team with a 21 man roster and 7 defensemen, meaning they will likely only have 12 forwards.

Jimmy Vesey should probably make the team, and Robertson is too young to play in the AHL; it's NHL or OHL for him and I'd be willing to bet that he makes the opening day roster. So swap Barabanov/ Engvall for Vesey and Robertson.

Engvall and Barabanov are also waiver exempt, and Vesey would be an attractive waiver claim due to his low cap hit so barring a training camp collapse on his part or an extremely impressive showing by somebody else, Vesey probably makes the team.

11 Nov 2020 20:48:22
I disagree there MarsBar. Dubas lures euro players by making sure they get all the playing time they want. Regardless of what Keefe believes I see both Barbanov and Lehtonen being on the opening night roster.

11 Nov 2020 21:24:33
If he doesn’t make the team, Barabanov will just go back to Europe to play. I’m not sure why he didn’t just stay there to start the year like Lehtonen did anyway.

Engvall is the odd man out. He is going to be buried to start the year for sure. Because he is waiver exempt for 15 games, that gives the Leafs plenty of time to see what the team is capable of and how the new guys are performing. His trade value is low though. Certainly not a 3rd. It can be argued that he is overpaid, somewhat significantly for a guy that will be starting the year in the AHL I might add. I don’t anticipate teams will be making offers for him unless they are looking for injury replacement. A better idea would be to wait until his 15 games are up and see if Leafs waive him or Vesey or Simmonds or someone else, and then just claim those guys off waivers.

12 Nov 2020 01:13:53
@LeafsLife I both agree and disagree. Teemu Kivihalme signed last year and played the whole year in the AHL, and then resigned. Miro Aaltonen before that also never made the Leafs roster.

I don't believe that Barabanov is the calibre of European prospect where he's guaranteed a roster spot. Outside of a solid 2018/ 2019 season, he's been a less-than-half PPG player in the KHL. Maybe he will simply return to the KHL, but who knows - maybe like Rosen, Borgman and Kivihalme, he just wants to come play in North America.

12 Nov 2020 17:56:01
I agree with LEAFSLIFE, in this marketplace you aren't getting a 3rd for Engvall.

12 Nov 2020 19:01:15
Good points @MarsBar I think the part that stands out to me is how many teams pursue a player. Kivilhalme wasn't pursued the same way Barbanov was by a couple of teams. I think he gets the mod over Engvall for cap purposes and to see what he's got. If it goes poorly they can continue to tell every euro player they always give them a fair shake.

12 Nov 2020 19:28:38
@LeafsLife I would put Barabanov's chances ahead of Engvalls too. I think Robertson is the real wildcard since the AHL isn't an option. And with no forwards in the pressbox due to salary constraints, they would have to go 11-7 just to give him a night off. Makes for a really hard choice since the OHL would probably be a waste of time for him.

12 Nov 2020 20:48:26
Agree with a lot of what has been said. I will say this about Robertson, I still think it better for him to go back to the O and dominate then to play a part time role or a role that doesn't suit him on the Leafs. (Of course assuming there is an OHL of some kind this year. ) He needs to play in a role he can succeed in. imo.



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