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16 Nov 2020 15:32:09
Now back to the fantasy of trading one of the big 4.

Marner 10.93

Voracek 8.25
Myers RFA
Forester ELC

Philly gets a young star to build around while moving an aging player and a player to date, they haven't been able to sign.

Leafs get a steady but slowly declining Voracek and 2.7 in cap space. He is still a big body that goes to the net etc, but still has 4 more years on his deal and is already 31. Still puts Leafs in a better cap situation as his deal ends when Matthews and Nylanders does, where Marner's is a year longer. He doesn't have a NTC/NMC, so he could be moved again as he declines.
Myers is the top 4 RHD Leafs are looking for. Cap room is still tight to sign him, so another move is likely needed.
Forester has a cannon for a shot, good hockey sense and a top 6 potential RW, but is still a year or two away.

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16 Nov 2020 20:39:29
Robertson/ Matthews/ Hyman
Forester/ Tavares/ Nylander
Vesey/ Kerfoot/ Voracek
Spezza/ Thornton/ Simmonds

There’s a lot to like here. The team looks harder to play against, and a lot more dangerous in terms of scoring goals. Mainly in bringing in Myers and Forester. Myers is the guy a lot of us like and foresee a good future for him. Lot of goals going to be scored if the two kids make it. A lot of goals. Three pure snipers, including one of the best in the game. We could potentially see 200 goals scored from the top two lines alone.

The biggest knock against this deal is the Voracek boat anchor contract. He’s already in steep decline and has three years left. It is going to look an awful lot like the Marleau contract it’s final year. Worse.

We run into serious difficulties when it’s time to re-sign Rielly and Hyman (and Andersen if we keep him) . The relief in salary doesn’t come until Voracek is off the books. One year earlier than Marner, true. But not early enough to re-sign Rielly.

That’s the major factor I am taking into consideration here. The cap relief has to be enough that we can do what we want with it. It’s not enough savings to help us this year unless we don’t re-sign Freddy. And it isn’t enough to help us next year either when we absolutely MUST re-sign Rielly.

If we trade out Marner, it has to be for cap purposes. We need to save enough cap space to make room for the adjustments we face in each of the next two offseasons. Some important decisions have to be faced. I’m not sure this deal does it. I’d actually rather just trade Marner for the biggest package of futures and picks they can get than bring in a boat anchor like Voracek. Philly would have to retain. Or at least look for a different cap dump - Hayes with $2M retained. Still a risk, especially because of the length of his contract, but much less risk than Voracek. And Hayes contract with $2M retained wouldn’t turn into a huge boat anchor for a few years yet, while Voracek’s already is one.

16 Nov 2020 23:56:53
Hard to know how foerster will do at nhl level. Barrie was weird last year. Team was underperforming so they dealt Suzuki, pekar and tucker for a bit younger guys like Wilma and caldwell (surprised he never got drafted at all this last draft) . Very strange but once the do called stats left somehow foerster started playing better much better. His +/ - stunk but offensively he really ended strong. 20 goals in last 18 games. Question becomes is he a better performer individuall stats wise when on a crappy team and less impactful on stacked team or was it just him getting his chance. Very tough to judge right now but I see him very similar to kovecny, as a pass first guy, which to no surprise philly drafted around same spot in draft.

This is an interesting trade that leafs definetly should consider. Philly on the other end may want a bit more coming back. Holl and or dermott plus a korshkov/ 2nd round pick kind of extra.

Overall I think we have a naming for a good trade partner
Well done.

17 Nov 2020 17:17:09
In anyway we look at trading Marner, it will be a bit of a gamble because we want more cap space by moving him. Not sure what the return would be, but I am pretty sure we take back a decent cap hit.

17 Nov 2020 18:03:46
Agree with HL that Reilly needs to be resigned. You can't lose Reilly.

Although, RLF has a valid point. Who takes on Marner and his 11aav without sending back a cap dump? Very few teams can afford this and the ones that negotiate know that.

17 Nov 2020 23:36:45
You don’t need to take a cap dump back if the you are willing to accept an underwhelming return (for example, my LA trade below that everyone hated) .

18 Nov 2020 05:56:50
Exactly HL. That's the price. You will never get fair value on Marner right now unless you take a bad contract or at least an overpaid one back.

18 Nov 2020 11:51:05
LL. Yes, that was my point as well. It is not like a team that has young, really good players all on ELC will trade a bunch of them to take on an 11M cap hit just because Marner is better them each individually. Take a sizable cap hit back and the return gets better.

18 Nov 2020 17:38:13
Misunderstood the point you were making then RLF. Completely agree though.

That's one reason I do see Nylander being moved before Marner. I would prefer to trade Marner because of the cap hit but Nylander would being a substantially better return.



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