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17 Jan 2022 17:09:56
Some talk about Severson in the last bit on here. No secret to most I like him and McLeod. I think any team will have to pay pretty big for Severson though.

NJ
Kerfoot $3.5M
Ritchie $2.5M
Liljegren $.863
Amirov ELC
2022 1st

Tor
Severson $4.16M
McLeod $.975M

Cap out $6.863M
Cap in $5.13M

$1.73 cap space.

NJ picks up a solid top 9 C/W in Kerfoot, a good uoung D in Liljegren who is cost controlled for years, a 2022 1st and one of the Leafs top prospects in Amirov. Ritchie only has one year left on his deal and they have to take him and his cap hit to get all the rest of the pieces.

Leafs pick up a top 4 RD signed for an extra year and McLeod is solid defensively and great on the draw. Both improe the Leafs now and both signed for an extra year. If the Leafs can move Mrazek in the off-season, they will have enough space to re-sign Campbell. If the can move Holl as well, they can likely sign Campbell and re-up Mikheyev. Leafs use assets to acquire players with some term over a rental.

Bunting Matthews Marner
McLeod Tavares Nylander
Mikheyev Kampf Kase
Clifford Spezza Simmonds
Engvall

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Severson
Sandin Holl
Dermott

Campbell
Mrazek

Agree2 Disagree5

17 Jan 2022 17:25:12
Severson is only a rental+ at this point so I'm not sure if it costs all that. I think you might be able to throw them a bit of a later pick and take out Amirov. If this is the price though, I would still accept it.

17 Jan 2022 17:31:16
@LL. That is two playoff runs on an underpaid player. His lower cap hit will drive up the cost. imo.

17 Jan 2022 18:10:39
Massive overpayment for that package. Kerfoot is playing great this year and if the Leafs were a seller, they could potentially fetch a 1st for him at this point.

17 Jan 2022 18:59:19
T-buds. Kerfoot is playing well and maybe you get a late 1st for him. But since the top teams who have no cap space will own the late 1sts, I doubt you get one. Rebuilding teams do not want to give up their 1sts for Kerfoot for 1 year+. Severson is 33rd in the NHL for D-men TOI. Tied for 52nd in D points. Plays PP and PK. Takes the tough matchups. Makes only $.6M more than Kerfoot. Is a right shot. He does this while playing on a rebuilding team. McLeod is becoming one of the better 3rd line two way centres. He is still an RFA at end of his deal. You may be right, but if you remember what you said top pair D-men are worth in a trade, this is very close to that.

17 Jan 2022 19:33:03
@RLF I like your targets, but do you think the deal could still work by removing Lilegren and adding either Holl or Dermott?
I really see Lilegren being in the Leafs future top 4 for a while.

17 Jan 2022 19:54:28
@RLF I'm not against the trade, I'm more thinking it doesn't take that much.

Looking at it again though it's close.

Ritchie (cap dump) +Lili+1st+Amirov for Severson. Probably costs close to a first or Lili to dump Ritchie.

McLeod for Kerfoot is probably close to fair value. Kerfoot looks better but is a bit older.

17 Jan 2022 21:00:22
@Tagz. You explained exactly why I think Liljegren would be an ask from NJ. Right shot and may be able to play top 4 someday.

@LL. I know you were not saying you were against it.

Everyone may be right that it is an overpay. Leafs need that cap space now and movingforward. Having McLeod and resigning Mikheyev combined for likely less than the cap hit of Kerfoot is a win. Moving Holl down the lineup and having Severson is a win. Moving Holl in the off-season is easier and keeping him for a playoff push is a positive. The extra cap space now can be used for another playoff push addition. The cap space with Holl moved in the off-season should help cover resigning Campbell. I think of more than just value when I propose a trade. It is second to overall impact to the team for me.

17 Jan 2022 23:54:41
OMG!
Kerfoot is having a career year.
Liljegren has proven he is an NHL defenseman and is just beginning to show what he is capable of.
Amirov was a 2020 1st round pick (#15) and you suggest giving another 1st round pick (2022).
Let’s hope Dubas does not do something so foolish!

18 Jan 2022 00:34:30
@waterbuffalo. You do realize McLeod was a 12th overall pick right? So if you want to go by how high guys we're drafted, McLeod is the highest of all the players. So far Amirov has done nothing. Liljegren is almost 23 and just finding his way to the NHL. A 2nd pair D is likely his ceiling if he progresses. Kerfoot is having a career year yes. What did he really do before last playoffs? A late first may not even make the NHL. Kerfoot will likely need to be moved to resign Campbell anyway. My guess is you have no real clue about Severson or McLeod. You probably know them by their Stats line only.

18 Jan 2022 00:37:26
I will also add for those who are now so enthralled with Kerfoot. How many of his assists are great plays by him? How manybof his goals are? He is solid, but he having a solid year, but he is still replaceable for less then $3.5m.

18 Jan 2022 01:21:36
It will absolutely not cost a 1st to trade away Ritchie, even if they want to or need to. The Leafs trading a 1st to rid Marleau was uniquely different and still an overpayment. Marleau was traded and subsequently bought out. Ritchie can play, just not on the Leafs top 2 lines right now.

18 Jan 2022 01:26:44
@RLF just talking out loud now as I think about how close it is lol.

@WB you rather go for a cup for 2 years or have prospects? Lol.

18 Jan 2022 02:24:42
@Tbuds I keep hearing this argument that Ritchie is a good player just not on the Leafs. He's on his third team since being drafted in 2014. He has never been a good player, always a bottom 6 guy on a good team and a middle sixer on a rebuilding team.

He cleared waivers. That means no one wants him for free. You think someone is going to then pay for him?

18 Jan 2022 03:04:49
T-buds. Didn't Marleau go on to play two more seasons putting up similar points to Ritchie while playing more average minutes per game after Marleau was bought out? Seems like Marleau could play in the NHL as well, but just not on the Leafs top 2 lines. That said, Ritchie's buyout is much less and he is younger. It may cost a 2nd to move him. What is Liljegren really worth at this point? Maybe a 2nd?

18 Jan 2022 03:34:36
@RLF How about removing Ritchie (cap dump) so we can also remove Lily.
Proposed
Kerfoot
Holl or Dermott
Amirov
2022 1st
For
Severson
McLeod
Don't you think this would be enough?

18 Jan 2022 13:13:10
@Tagz. That may very well be enough. Value is one thing, but as I said, the Leafs have the cap and future contracts to consider as well. Especially if they want to re-sign Campbell. This proposal change creates no new cap space. Now, Leafs still have to try and move Ritchie in order to sign Campbell and probably let Mikheyev and/ or Kase or both walk. Ritchie will cost and asset to move.

Just my opinion, but Mrazek and Ritchie at the moment should be priorities to move. Having Simmonds and Clifford, plus McLeod who is also a pretty physical guy who will drop the gloves if needed, makes Ritchie expendable and McLeod is an upgrade. McLeod also brings tons of speed to the lineup. McLeod kills penalties and over the last two years has 75% of his zone starts are defensive end, yet he still has 9 points this season so far while being 58% on the dot. $.975 this year and next. People love Kampf at $1.5M. Kampf starts about 80% defensive zone the last two seasons with a 55% F. O% with 10 pts. McLeod is the underrated player by many in this deal. There is way more to McLeod. I feel as strongly about this as I did Bennett. I would give the late 1st maybe even a little + for McLeod alone.

The Leafs need to plan for after next season in the off-season because that is when Muzzin and Brodies's NTC's become M-NTC's. That is when they are both moveable as they are heading into the last season of their contracts. Severson and McLeod would need new deals at the same time. Move out Muzzin after next season, promote Sandin to second pair and re-sign Severson. Still have Dermott, Rubins etc moving forward.

These are all just my opinions obviously. You may have the better proposal.

18 Jan 2022 13:53:06
@LL. I broke the trade down like this.
At minimum Kerfoot and Amirov for Severson.
Our late 1st and a little + for McLeod.
Ritchie, we will need to give something back for them to take him. So, we need a little add for McLeod, probably a little more for Severson and something for taking Ritchie and adding $1.7M to their cap. Enter Liljegren.

18 Jan 2022 14:36:55
@RLF I understand you're also looking at next year's cap space, but we can move Mrazek and Ritchie in the off season.
IMO it's more important to keep Liljegren instead of adding him and Ritchie to the proposal.
We can address the cap issue in the off season.
Ritchie might be easier to move in the off season with only 1 year remaining on his contract.
I would like to keep Mrazek for insurance incase anything happens to Campbell.
As you say, these are just our opinions which really mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. But they are fun to debate though.

18 Jan 2022 19:30:47
@Tagz. All good. You just put more value on Liljegren than I do. I see his ceiling as being a complimentary #4 to a good #3 or he may be a very good #5. As I have said before, Sandin is the better D imo and I think he will continue to be so. We may have other potential #4 or #5's in the system. Liljegren's biggest asset at the moment is that he is a right shot, which we are in short supply.
That and we may find it harder than we think to move Ritchie in the off-season if he keeps playing 4th line minutes.

20 Jan 2022 14:48:39
@RLF I think Lily has the better chance of being a top 4D than Sandin.
Lily is bigger, faster, has good gap control of the rush. He just needs to work on his confidence and decision making. I wish he had Sandin's hockey IQ though.
I believe Sandin will have a great career as a PP specialist, not geared for top 4 duties IMO.







 

 

 
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