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16 Mar 2023 10:34:04
Tor: nylander
Nyr: lafrenier Schneider

Nylander just seems like a good fit for the rangers who are a heavily built around European players tarasanko and Kane come off their books so lots of cap space to
Make it work as for the players coming back lafrenier hasn't lived up his hype coming out of junior which is fine he has all the tools to be a good player put him with Matthews marner and watch him work as for Schneider I thought at the time the leafs should have drafted him he's big and physical and is a right shot it's a good futures pickup

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16 Mar 2023 10:47:58
I would rather Schneider and Cuylle. Not sure Schneider would even be available though.

16 Mar 2023 10:48:21
Good prop though.

16 Mar 2023 13:33:21
I still have nightmares of that draft where we did not get Schneider. so i am on board with any trade that corrects that mistake.

16 Mar 2023 15:30:20
@Loxley passing on Schneider is only an issue because of Amirov's health (who could of predicted Cancer? )
If Amirov was healthy, he may have solved one of our LW problems. I have no bad feelings about the draft choice.

16 Mar 2023 19:42:20
I have to agree with Tags here. Amirov could have been the next Ovie or a career AHL player and anything in between. I can't judge that pick at all, because it was so unpredictable for him to be diagnosed with cancer.

16 Mar 2023 20:49:18
Schneider was higher ranked than Amirov. Dubas went off the board when picking Amirov because he preferred skill and speed at the time. Dubas has since admitted that he didn't put as much value as he should have on things like depth, experience and physicality. I remember being shocked and ticked when Dubas passed on Schneider as the Leafs had nothing like him in the system.
Ironically, as much as Babcock could be a jerk, this is all the things he complained about that the teams built for him didn't have. So Babcock can't get a job and Dubas still has one while basically admitting Babcock was right. lol.

16 Mar 2023 21:13:29
@RLF I have been thinking that recently as well lol.

Babs did some things he probably shouldn't have, but he was right about everything. Needing to play a 200ft game, not giving up on plays, playing a more physical style, having better depth, etc.

16 Mar 2023 21:43:52
@RLF yes, agreed Dubas just drafted for skill and speed not worrying about size. He definitely was wrong and is trying to correct and learn from his mistakes by drafting Knies and Minten (a little late, definitely agreed) .

I never was high on Schneider (and still am not) and I don't believe he was ranked higher than 18th/ 19th so I didn't mind Dubas going off the board a little. My friend was really pushing for Dawson Mercer who in hind sight would have been the best pick.

As per Babcock, yes he may have been right about getting different type players but as you said, he's a big jerk to put it mildly.

16 Mar 2023 23:15:43
When did being a jerk as a coach become such an issue? Obviously the Keenan type racism and physical abuse isn't ok, but coaches haven't been nice guy's forever. Bill Belichick could be the greatest coach, of all sports, ever. He's not a nice guy at all.

Even in hockey terms, Scottie Bowman was hated by a lot of his guys.

17 Mar 2023 00:35:48
I had Dawson Mercer, Braden Schneider and Kaiden Guhle all rated ahead of Amirov in the 2020 draft.
Amirov was another 165lbs skilled winger which Leafs had a surplus of.
Didn’t like Dubas’ selection at all.
That said, trading Nylander would leave a huge hole on Right Wing with no one in Leafs prospect pool to fill it.
An interesting but risky move as Leafs become a one line team with Tavares centering Lafreniere and Jarnkrok for a 2nd line!

17 Mar 2023 01:54:21
Tagz. At the time, Schneider was ranked as high as 12. When 15 came up and he hadn't been taken, it was thought a given Dubas would take him, especially because he was exactly what the team lacked. But instead, he went small and skilled again. Unfortunately as much as Dubas has learned, he was also very stubborn to insist he knew a better way to win. He was wrong and wasted years of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares.

17 Mar 2023 13:41:54
RLF still don't thinking passing on Schneider was a big deal. Defense hasn't been our problem over the years, it's been lack of scoring.
Leafs have gone 0,1,1&1 goals for over the last 4 playoff series: game 5 & game 7's. That's really our issue and not defense.
Yes, getting some more physical players will help. But not just physicality, we need hard to play against (forechecking hard, finishing plays, energy type players) . players like Acciari and hopefully Lafferty (I'm still on the fence on him) bring those elements.
We need players with winning pedigree and attitude which is what ROR brings to the table.
Hopefully these acquisitions are what brings us over the top. I just would have liked another scoring bottom 6 player to round out everything.
Dubas has finally shown some gumption this time around. Hopefully its enough and not too late.

17 Mar 2023 14:40:15
Tagz. Although I agree on the last half of this and let's say Amirov never got sick. Would he have really helped the Leafs bottom 6 with the attributes you described? I honestly don't see it. The debate is Schneider or Amirov and not really what Dubas needed to add to the bottom 6 that he seems to have finally figured out.
Even if Amirov stayed healthy and I don't mind the player, I didn't see top 6 potential and I see top 4 potential in Schneider. Just my opinion of course.

17 Mar 2023 15:47:01
RLF Amirov probably doesn't bring the physicality agreed. I would like to think he'd bring the energy and forechecking attributes, plus some goal scoring. Other bottom 6ers could bring the physicality.
Schneider may potentially morph into a top 4, who knows, but still wouldn't have happened during the run.

20 Mar 2023 22:00:56
@Tagz and LL. My having nightmares over that draft has nothing to do with Amirov getting sick. was big on Schenider before and at the time all the talk was how the Leafs needed and couldn't find a right shooting RD. he was big and felt we lacked the depth on the blue line with the Marlies. as RLF has pointed out he was ranked higher and many were surprised Dubas did not pick him. He chose as usual a smaller skilled player which i felt we did not need at the time as much as we needed a high end defenseman.

20 Mar 2023 22:45:00
@Loxley although I probably would have taken Schneider as well, most D do not develop for 4-5 years anyway.

I don't think you draft beaded on needs, you draft the best player available.

I'm not a scout so I don't know what upside the scouting staff saw in Amirov, I just have a hard time saying he made a poor choice because we'll never actually know.

21 Mar 2023 03:23:12
@LL that's fine. i agree D can take a little longer, just wanted to clarify that my opinion of Schneider is not because we now know about Amirov's health issues. I wanted him long before Amirov was diagnosed with the brain tumor. and that this is not a case of hindsight is 20/ 20.I feel for the kid but my wanting Schneider over him has nothing to do with his health. just my opinion based on what alot of the media experts were saying about Schneider and not knowing anything about Amirov.

21 Mar 2023 10:25:21
That's the thing, Schneider was the best player available and fit the Leafs needs. In most scouting agencies, Amirov was a late 1st projection. Schneider was in a group that any 4 of these players could go 12-15. He was the last of the 4 when 15 came to the Leafs. Dubas went quite a bit off the board with Amirov who projected as a 3rd line, defensively responsible energy type with some offensive ability. Schneider was a top 4 projected RD with size, physicality and can skate.
Yes, we will never know now because of Amirov's health, which is so sad for the kid. We all wish him the best, I am sure. That said, if Dubas had taken the BPA, this discussion wouldn't be happening.

21 Mar 2023 18:20:52
@RLF. well said. my point exactly. he was drafted in 2020 draft and in the 21-22 season played 43 games and so far this year has played 69 games. Leafs had a bad D a few years back so hard to argue this guy could not have been useful to us.







 

 

 
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