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02 Jun 2023 15:07:57
I don't think I've seen this target listed before.

To Arizona
Robertson $796,677
Muzzin $5.625M (LTIR)

To Toronto
Schmaltz $5.85M / 3 years

Arizona gets a potential young goal scorer, who is a cost controlled RFA.
Plus, they back loaded Schmaltz contract, which will cost them approximately $7.65M for each of the final 3 years. They will safe lots of money and will replace that cap hit with the $5.625MAAV from Muzzin's LTIR, which is probably fully insured.

Leafs get a 2C who is on a reasonable contract for the next 3 years, so they can move Tavares to the wing.

Thoughts?

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02 Jun 2023 16:52:30
Leafs need Muzzin's LTIR more than Arz. imo.

02 Jun 2023 17:57:22
Schmaltz is grossly over paid at that number not a good trade option imo.

02 Jun 2023 18:56:10
@RLF not sure LTIR makes a huge difference for us. My understanding is the payroll for the 21/ 22/ 23 man roster has to still be under the cap, so I don't see a difference whether we use Muzzin's AAV or we just use the cap space without his AAV.
Only way I think it's an advantage, is if Muzzin were to be activated for the playoffs.
Can you explain what I'm missing?

@Goat2.0 I think Schmaltz has really been developing over the last season and a half. He's almost a point per game player since then and that cap hit seems very reasonable IMO. I think he would be a good 2C so that we can move Tavares to wing. I definitely would prefer Lindholm, but I don't think he gets traded.

02 Jun 2023 19:45:41
@Tags in the off-season you can exceed the cap by 10%, as of your first game you must be cap compliant.

As of right now, Muzzin's LTIR means nothing, but it allows the team to exceed the cap by almost 6m next season.

02 Jun 2023 21:11:21
@LL thanks, but it still doesn't make a difference IMO. The extra $6M is Muzzin's AAV bringing the total cap to $89.5Mish (bit this includes Muzzin's AAV) . The roster total still has to be cap compliant at $83.5M. The extra $6M makes no difference other than Muzzin being activated for playoffs.
I must be missing something.

02 Jun 2023 21:21:25
I just want to understand what's the advantage for LTIR if the player doesn't return for post season?
The only advantage I see is for a small market team to hit cap floor without spending maximum dollars.

02 Jun 2023 21:33:27
@Tags. To my knowledge it is more or less what LL said. When a player is on LTIR the team can replace him so to speak, with a player of up-to equal value without it counting against the cap. That is the basis of it. Teams get into trouble when the LTIR player is reactivated to the active roster. Now the LTIR is gone and so is the replacement value because the injury is healed and they need to have all healthy roster players be cap compliant.
Does that make any sense?

02 Jun 2023 22:30:39
I had that contract of Schmaltz. Your not going to pay Bunting and these two have similar numbers.

02 Jun 2023 22:51:50
I get what you guys are saying, but I guess I'm not articulating my point clearly.
I don't think it makes a difference whether we're over the cap with Muzzin's LTIR at $89.5M because we can only have a roster of $83.5M regardless. We can't sign another player to use up Muzzin's cap hit from the $6M. So IMO there is no difference whether we have Muzzin's LTIR or not, unless Muzzin comes back for playoffs.

03 Jun 2023 16:13:53
@Tags. I think I am not articulating clear enough. To my understanding, the Leafs can use all of Muzzin's cap hit above the cap limit of $83.5M as long Muzzin remains on LTIR. This is why people complain that LTIR is an unfair advantage. Even for teams that want to reach the floor. The cap hit counts to help reach the floor without actually paying that actual amount in salary. If the Leafs iced a healthy roster that was at or under $83.5M, they are not actually using Muzzin's LTIR.

03 Jun 2023 18:15:57
@RLF I don't think that's right, but I've been known to be wrong many times.

03 Jun 2023 20:05:13
Tags. Below is From puckpedia.

When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.

IF a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR.   For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M) . Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool

Pretty much what I said. Does that help?

03 Jun 2023 20:51:18
RFL thanks, I get that part of it, but I'm just not seeing the advantage unless the injured player comes back for playoffs.
If the LTIR player comes back during the season, the team has to open up the $4M cap space to bring him back so other players have to be removed from the roster. Because active players on the roster can not exceed the cap.
I am not seeing the advantage.
Anyways, we'll leave it at that. Thanks for the clarification.

04 Jun 2023 03:01:30
@Tags. Because the expectation is that Muzzin will never play again. This means the Leafs do not have to worry about the player coming off LTIR. They can go over the cap up to the LTIR pool amount and not have to worry about it.

04 Jun 2023 13:01:39
@Tags. Plus take into account there is no cap in the playoffs.

04 Jun 2023 16:36:18
@RLF playoffs is the only time it's an advantage.

04 Jun 2023 20:05:13
Tags. Explain how it is only an advantage come playoff time if you can use it all year because you know a player isn't coming back ever?

The Leafs can literally add a d-man all year for instance without using any cap space. How is that not an advantage during the season? Tampa has done it. Even traded for LTIR player to get extra room.

04 Jun 2023 21:15:33
@RLF Advantage if LTIR comes back during playoffs. Just like Kucherov a few years ago and Stone this year.

05 Jun 2023 12:05:49
@Tags. That is one advantage yes. The Leafs can put a team together with 23 roster players including Muzzin and be 10% over the cap until start of season. Meaning the can sign a player to replace Muzzin and still be cap compliant. They put Muzzin on LTIR and lets say the other 22 players equals $83.2M. They can now add a player to make a 23 man roster of up to $5.3M, the rest of their LTIR pool. Giving them an artificial cap of $88.7M for the whole season. That's an advantage as well imo.

05 Jun 2023 13:26:48
@RLF maybe that's the difference. Having the LTIR before the season starts. I'll be interested to check out cap friendly once the season gets underway.







 

 

 
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