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30 Apr 2024 15:35:21
Here are my roster shakeup changes
Tor: marner
Vgk: karlsson Hague 2nd ( tor to likely retains money)
Then
Tor: Reilly
Utah: crouse
Tor: Robertson liljgren
Lak: kaliyev
Rebuild the dcore with free agents leafs get bigger with more depth. Also would ask Tavares if he wants to move as well don't know if that realistic tho
Based on players added
Crouse Matthews
Knies karlsson nylander
Mcmann Tavares kaliyev
Dewar kampf jarnkrok
Hague
Benoit mccabe
Webber niemela
Definitely needs some work but I like it better already
1.) 30 Apr 2024 16:41:37
I'm fully on board with trading Marner. It will obviously be a tough task. I'm sick of his soft play and attitude, it really seems to of rubbed off on the team. Move on from Keefe and Samsonov are 2 of my biggest wishes.
2.) 30 Apr 2024 16:58:50
Google most points last 5 years Marner is high on that list
I think leaf's win big tonight then it's back itoronto
The core fighting on bench means they are bleeding so let's see tonight
What's wrong Keefe.
3.) 30 Apr 2024 19:00:29
@DM what do points matter? If someone had 5 goals in a game, but had 250 giveaways, and ended as a minus 16, would you still say "not his fault"
Obviously a bit of hyperbole, but the point remains. He's been brutal.
4.) 01 May 2024 00:00:10
@mackin An awful lot of points and only 1 win In The second round. How do you justify that? You don't, you've already changed the coach, the gm, it's time to change the core.
5.) 01 May 2024 02:49:46
Leafslife
Since 2019 Matthews 517 points. Marner 509 points
Leafs would get a great package for Marner but it’s like when Calgary traded Doug gilmour. Marner has the best 5 or 6 years ahead of him he is only 26.
I don’t trade him I let Tavares play out next season see if he can be resigned at $5 to $6. Million
Next season Leafs could have $20 million in cap space
These players don’t return
Bertuzzi
Jarnknok
Kampf
Brodie
Giordano
I keep Domi if he stays for same money Bertuzzi would need to come down significantly in dollars he isn’t worth $5.5. Million.
6.) 01 May 2024 03:11:58
@DM if I only account for points, then I'll take Huberdeau over Marner. Let's make the trade now.
7.) 01 May 2024 11:16:06
If Marner for Huberdeau, they would add substantially?
8.) 02 May 2024 18:59:53
@L67 if Huberdeau is moved they add multiple picks. That's a horrible contract.
13 Mar 2024 13:41:15
Offseason move maybe the draft
Tor: Robertson +
Cbj: jiricek
I obviously know it would take more then Robertson but both players have called out their teams this year and are unhappy could be a trade that works for both sides idk what the leafs would have to add but jiricek is a big physical presence could be a bottom pair guy next year
1.) 13 Mar 2024 14:13:53
I love it!
I could only wish the Leafs would be able to pull off a deal like this.
Come on Tre, make it happen.
2.) 13 Mar 2024 15:09:34
Who knows. Columbus is stacked on D. I think it would be a big+ though as Jiricek is a former 6th overall pick and only 20. Would Robertson and Minten do it? And would the Leafs if that's what it took.
3.) 13 Mar 2024 16:20:46
RLF if you think it only takes Robertson plus Minten, then I would do that all day long.
When's the last time the Leafs had a young ELC 6OA RHD? I don't even know if we've ever had one.
4.) 13 Mar 2024 17:19:52
Would be lovely for sure but I think it’s Robertson, Minten and a 1st or maybe Niemela with a 3rd?
5.) 13 Mar 2024 17:45:31
Agreed Clarky it would definitely be more than just Robertson & Minten.
Leafs just signed McMann at $1.35M/ 2yrs, great deal Tre.
6.) 13 Mar 2024 17:50:24
I should be a GM lol
Had written below my signing and i had McMann signing at $1.4M/ 2yrs, not off by much lol.
7.) 13 Mar 2024 21:15:10
Oh Tagsy! You gonna use these small decisions as wins for Tre? I’m sorry but he has sucked so far. You guys keep bringing all these small little things he does, like other GMs wouldn’t have put $100,000 signing bonus on Jones. He has made many more worse decisions than good. You keep trying to promote him but I don’t see it. Doesn’t outweigh all tue bad.
8.) 13 Mar 2024 22:57:43
Clarky I guess we disagree on Tre.
He was hired in June with little, to no time to assess the team from within. The fact that most his signings were one year deals was a smart way to go about business buying himself time to assess the team from within and not anchoring himself to a huge contract.
I think Bertuzzi was one of the most sought after UFA's last summer and Tre was able to sign him on a 1 year deal. Granted he hasn't lived up to expectations ATM but he was signed for the playoffs. Let's see how his season plays out after the playoffs are complete.
Domi, again on a 1 year deal, is coming around as of late and looks to be a good signing. He competes hard and sticks up for his teammates, bringing some 'snot' as Tre says.
Benoit, great depth signing.
Reaves contract is looking much better as the season moves on. He got lots of toughness with Reaves. The twam is no longer a pushover and im sure other teams gave taken notice.
Brought Samsonov to arb and signed him only for 1 year.
Klingberg is the one signing that hasn't panned out, but aga8n I could see what he was trying to do with regards to more scoring from the back end. In the end, the contract didn't hurt us as much as it could have.
The worst signing he did was Kampf IMO, $2.4M/ 4yrs and I honestly believe this signing was done because Keefe was in his ear to sign Kampf.
Let's see what Tre does this summer. He's known for building teams from the net out, so I'm looking forward for his vision to start materializing.
9.) 13 Mar 2024 23:21:37
Well said Tags. Everything I have been saying as well. Hard to say he overpaid at the deadline either. The McMann signing is just another look into how he wants to build a team around the core. Size, effort, can skate and some snot with the ability to put the puck in the net. I'm good with that.
10.) 13 Mar 2024 23:23:14
Sorry, but also got Matthews & Nylander both signed to extentions.
I know you don't like Nylander's AAV as we all don't, but obviously the Core is meant to stay together which is something that comes from Shanny IMO. It is what it is at this point. The team will still be tight against the cap next year, but I think the year after should be promising.
11.) 14 Mar 2024 03:00:57
I love how we all just took the term "snot" and ran with it lol.
12.) 14 Mar 2024 05:01:18
LL. Lol. Yea, I meant to put it in quotes. I admit. I love it. I know exactly what it is meant to mean. I think its a great way to say it.
12 Mar 2024 10:19:52
Apparently the leafs came close to acquiring trenin at the deadline he went for a 2025 3rd and a prospect my guess Toronto was offering the 2026 4th and the prospect but it is to me pretty clear that Brad values size I'd watch for this player in free agency for the leafs
1.) 12 Mar 2024 12:02:19
Not surprising Treliving would have asked about him and made a pitch. Would love to see him as a Leaf, for a reasonable cost of course.
2.) 13 Mar 2024 01:50:21
A 3rd round pick and a prospect seemed very reasonable.
Too bad Treliving didn’t have a 3rd round pick any more.
3.) 13 Mar 2024 12:00:27
The Original 2024 3rd was traded by Dubas to get Gio. Tree traded the 3rd recovered from the Engvall deal to get Edmundson in prioritizing getting D-men which everyone has said all year was the priority. The 2025 3rd was used to get Lyubushkin at 50% retained. Since the Leafs would have needed 50% retention on Trenin, the 3rd wouldn't have done it. What is too bad for Tree is that he had no 2nds until 2027 because Dubas traded them all. Had Tree had a 2nd to use, he probably could have got Trenin with 50% retained as Nashville still had one retention spot left.
07 Mar 2024 15:29:20
Toronto get edmudson for the 3rd this year and a 5th honestly I like the move more than most good playoff defender when facing Boston.
Fun fact edmudson was Morgan Reillys d partner with the Moose Jaw warriors
1.) 07 Mar 2024 15:55:49
I had just posted on the talk side that you called it dead on. Well done.
2.) 07 Mar 2024 17:24:48
Very Cool tidbit of information.
3.) 07 Mar 2024 21:28:59
Sorry to burst your bubble but both Rielly drafted 2nd overall in 09 and edmundston 121st overall in 08 were both rookies 2010-11 season for Moose Jaw so they were out with vets
Rielly Mciirath
Edmundston bowman
Bowman was traded for in 2010 sumner specifically to captain Moose Jaw and help out with one of there 2 young Dmen
2011-12 they started year with same pairings and had a few Dmen step up and after losing 3 of there top forwards from year ago lacked scoring depth so 7 games in knowing there d group was strong they dealt bowman to Calgary for a couple of forwards and put Travis brown as edmundston keeping Rielly with mciirath. Rielly got hurt 18 games in for remainder of year and edmundston replaced him having brown end up playing with any of Earnhardt, McFaul or Gwinner depending on which of 3 best were playing. Rielly was placed with brown upon return in playoffs and thst combo did well
2012-13 mciirath was gone and Rielly brown stuck as a tandem for year. This pairing played 27 minutes a game leaving little ice time so knowing he needs more minutes Edmundston got dealt 29 games in to Kamloops for a halbegwachs, dman Bell and a 1st. He then got most dedicated player award for not complain g and just showing his leadership in the situation.
So yes they played together but barely as partners. Maybe a few shifts here or there but not actual d partners.
Either way though good pickup.
06 Mar 2024 11:44:32
Tor: 3rd (Nyi)
Wsh: edmudson
Tor gets: smith 2nd(pit) 5th(vgk via sjs)
Pitt gets: 1st tor liljgren 25% of smith
Sjs get Robertson 25% of smith
Knies Matthews Marner
Smith Tavares jarnkrok
Bertuzzi domi nylander
Mcmann kampf holmberg
Benoit McCabe
Brodie edmudson
Reilly lybushkin
Get bigger and add more depth I don't see this magical top rhd being out there for Toronto to go get fix that issue in the offseason
1.) 06 Mar 2024 13:55:35
I'm not high on Edmundson. I know he can play both sides and get what you are sating, he's always been kind of careless with the puck though. He is a lefty and not sure he is any better than the lefties the Leafs have. He has size and will scrap though.
If I'm getting the 2nd one right. Leafs send out Lily, Robertson and a 1st to get Reilly Smith at 50% and a 2nd and 5th. Is that correct?
Not sure Smith is worth that and I don't see a lot of issues in the Leafs forward group unless we can pick up a big man that is physical and can play in the top 9.
I'd pass on the Smith trade but Edmundson for a 3rd. Maybe.
2.) 06 Mar 2024 15:20:08
@RFL that a fair point with edmudson but I kinda wonder why the leafs got boosh then cause he can’t handle the puck at all haha I like edmudson just because he’s big and he’s gonna make guys pay that want to camp out front of our net it was his biggest asset when he played in Montreal and the leafs don’t have that since they moved in from schenn.
As for the pens trade my thoughts were the leafs need more two way players they have a terrible pk which will in turn kill them in the playoffs we send out two guys that are in fact not playoff style players liljgren has been better with Brodie but still shows signs of lack of detail in his own end especially when he’s being pressured and Robertson they don’t have to move but it’s kind of one of those things that they should just do right by the player and give him a fresh start leafs give up a 1st because that’s their only valuable draft pick but get the second so essentially trading back in the draft keep in mind leafs get smith at 2.5 for this year and next that’s worth something of value and liljgren is an rfa.
3.) 06 Mar 2024 15:55:14
Goat. All good points. I like Edmundson's compete, just not sure if he adds that much as iirc, he struggles on his opposite side. No?
As for Smith, I am not really questioning the value you have put on the trade although it seems like a lot to pay SJ for just 1.25M of retention for this year and next. imo, I don't think I would want to use all those assets for Smith, as that empties the cupboards almost completely of what is tradeable.
This is my thinking. In the end the Leafs have a 1st and 3rd this year, a 1st in 2026 and Liljegren and Robertson as their best trade assets that one might be willing to move. Almost all are moved in these two deals to get the rest of this year of Edmundson and this and next of Smith. A 2nd is recouped leaving the Leafs with a 1st in 2026 and a 2nd in 2024 (I'm guessing you meant) as the only top assets they have left if they want to keep Knies, Minten, Cowan and Niemela. If emptying the cupboards, I am hoping it would be for players that can grow with the team and not pending UFA's and a 32 year old winger. Just my take.
4.) 06 Mar 2024 16:31:57
@RFL I agree but the trade you want isn’t out there unfortunately I think the leafs will end up overpaying on players and it will be because Florida and Boston are loading up.
5.) 06 Mar 2024 17:19:52
Goat. My kind of trade may not be there and if that is the case, don't make a trade for the sake of it. Look again in the off-season when they have the cap space and all the assets still. I said a long time ago, I see this as a transition year. So, only make trades that help now and the future. Don't go "all in" on this season by emptying the cupboards on pending UFA'S and aged players. My opinion hasn't changed even since they finally fixed the line combos.
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30 Apr 2024 01:22:40
So who do we want as the leafs new head coach? I heard rod the bods contract is up after this year.. I also wonder about marlies coach John gruden don't know much about him other then he was an assistant coach with Boston. I truly believe this team needs a coach with strong systems over a hard nose guy like burbe
1.) 30 Apr 2024 04:19:29
Jon Gruden is my pick for who gets hired.
If Brindamour is available, give him whatever he wants. I don't think he is, but a man can dream.
Wanted Gallant in the off season, still be happy to have him.
2.) 30 Apr 2024 08:59:49
Money talks and that’s one great thing about being corporate owned they can toss stupid money at rod that most can’t… I’m not really into having knuckle draggers like gallant he too has demons coaches a good team successfully for two years then gets himself fired.
3.) 30 Apr 2024 12:17:58
Man if Rod is available. I’d trade Marner for him straight up. Don’t see them not resigning him though unless he wants out. Other than that, someone that can teach defence in their own end and hold everyone accountable, even Nylander.
4.) 30 Apr 2024 15:23:56
@clarky like I said I think Toronto realistically can offer him more but ultimately depends on what he wants to do.
5.) 30 Apr 2024 18:35:21
@Clarky and Goat
I'd love to have Rod as well, but he seems really set on staying with the Canes. How much does he care about money? He's made a bunch as a coach, and was a pre-cap player. I'm not sure if he needs 70m the same as a guy like Keefe.
29 Apr 2024 17:53:40
Tor: marner
Vgk: karlsson, Hague and a 2nd
If there's a top player to be had Vegas will be in on them they just picked up another centre in hertl they have Roy and eichel too leafs get karlsson who isn't end all be all but he's a good two way player and a centre then the leafs also grab 6'6 dman Hague still only 25 and most likely the leafs have to retain a bit so Vegas throws in a 2nd to me if marner is gonna waive it's gonna be for a good team I think the leafs add some decent pieces and start into a new direction with this team
1.) 29 Apr 2024 19:03:35
I’d honestly entertain any trade with Marner involved but I like it.
25 Apr 2024 14:27:04
The series is not over but one thing is clear ATM this team isn't built to win a cup and I'm mainly pointing the finger at the guys who have been here the core 4 plus Reilly I'm gonna go on a bit of a rant here..
The leafs have tried going with a fast small skilled roster with this core.. It didn't work last year they went with a two way style with this core.. It didn't work and this year they focused of toughness and it really hasn't changed anything. the only thing that hasn't changed on this team is the 5 highest paid players.. Matthews for the most part has been pretty good but for a guy who scored 69 goals it sure has dried up at the wrong time.
Tavares we all knew it was coming that being his age he's not the player he was even 2 years ago.. Nylander guy has no heart he's clear to practice with the team every practice but is too hurt to play the games meanwhile other teams stars have shown what they are willing to play through to win. oh well you just signed him for another 8 years!
Marner the guy lost his spot to domi and he's looked like a sad puppy ever since turning the puck over more then ever, he's not generating much offensively either so now we know Matthews doesn't need him to be successful.
And lastly Reilly to me he looks like he's playing hurt doesn't seem to have the same speed or mobility and I got to thinking how long have the leafs searched for a D partner to play with him.. Basically his whole career at what point do you stop and say to yourself maybe he's the problem I mean for an offensive dman he's not very good at it he tied jake mccabe in goals with 7 this year.. Not good enough! Especially when you are not very good in your own end.
If the leafs lose this series the whole coaching staff should be canned especially the ones who refuse to break up the power play unit that can't score. fire shanny his plan failed. and I'd try my hardest to move out marner and start going a different direction with this team.
1.) 25 Apr 2024 17:16:57
Willys out because he’s got migraines lmao that’s brutal.
2.) 25 Apr 2024 20:42:00
Depending on how bad the migraines are, I can't blame him too much there.
3.) 26 Apr 2024 09:06:40
Imo will say this migraines can be bad but if they are that bad why is he able to practice but not play.
4.) 26 Apr 2024 11:44:31
Is he getting hit in practice?
5.) 26 Apr 2024 12:43:06
He's suffered from Migraines for a long time. We could really use Willy at 100% because Marner is playing at about 50%.
I find it odd that no one is talking about missing McMann. Yes I like how the guy plays. Another big body that can skate, chip in offensively and be very solid defensively should be a big add for this team if he can come back also.
6.) 26 Apr 2024 13:27:02
Agreed RLF no word at all on McMann. It's hard to overcome losing 2 top 6/ 9 forwards just before the playoffs.
I'm sure they were a big part the plan moving forward.
Honestly, I'm still baffled at why Keefe rearranged the whole Tavares line once Marner came back. It made no sense, other than wanting to keep Marner happy.
McMann - Tavares - Nylander
Line was going well & should have been left alone.
It would have made too much sense to just add Marner to the 3rd line
Knies - Holmberg - Marner
It's not like Marner never played with Knies before. Hell they played
2/ 3 of the season together on the
top line.
Anyways, that's old news, over and done.
18 Apr 2024 16:35:36
I got to ask the question here. is the writing not on the wall for marner to be traded? Seems like domi took his spot. We can sign two good players for what marner makes
1.) 18 Apr 2024 17:19:48
Goat. It seems Domi could take Marner's set up role and the difference of money could be used elsewhere. The main stopper is that Marner has a full no move. He isn't going anywhere unless he wants to leave. You can't even buy him out to open cap space as the cap hit would be about $10.4M still.
2.) 18 Apr 2024 19:14:07
Marner is here until his contract is up at a minimum. That full move means a lot to a Toronto kid.
3.) 18 Apr 2024 20:36:49
I think Domi has handled himself extremely well with Matthews.
I also think he has converted some on this site.
But I don’t think he’s the successor to Marner.
Having said that I don’t particularly like Marner’s recent play nor what he might think he’s worth, salary-wise.
4.) 18 Apr 2024 21:54:59
@Rsears what are you thinking Marner wants?
I think he sees himself as close to Mathews, and above Willy. Maybe 12m.
5.) 19 Apr 2024 09:01:38
The no move just gives marner control over where he goes if the team makes it known that they want to move on as a human why would you want to stay with an knowing an organization doesn’t want you….
6.) 19 Apr 2024 11:54:46
Goat.
Muskoka 5.
7.) 19 Apr 2024 12:53:52
I think 100% Marner is gone in the off-season. He will have to give Tre a list of teams he would play for.
8.) 19 Apr 2024 13:36:52
Clarky. Many of us said the same thing about Willy for a couple of seasons. I am now thinking they aren't going anywhere. If Leafs could make a trade for Marner that makes sense and he will go, I'm all for it.
9.) 19 Apr 2024 14:12:53
LL
Certainly a valid question!
I do not think he’s worth much more than he currently makes.
He will expect a raise, no doubt more than any of us would pay. I would cap it at $11.5.
I would shop him early in the off-season to be ready for a best-case scenario. Put a hard deadline on a deal (I. e prior to Sep1). If he feels he deserves more the Leafs are ready to cut bait.
This deal or trade needs to be addressed early because so many other things depend on it.
This includes what to do with Tavares, soon to be our needed 3C.
15 Apr 2024 02:11:06
Tree adds another hulking dman this one being a leafs pick in 2016 6'6 225 and shoots right. My only question is why didn't the leafs sign him before? He has always been a point producer by the looks of it anyone see anything on the reasoning?
1.) 15 Apr 2024 14:47:40
Goat. Yes, we are seeing Tree start to put his stamp on what he wants to build. He took some time to evaluate and didn't panic due to fan pressure. He is trying to build for every year and not just this one. Smart of him. imo
As for not signing Mattinen. I think it is a s simple as Dubas didn't really value big, hulking D-men. Tree also signed Chas Sharpe to a Marlies contract. 20 year old right shot D-man that is 6'3" 195lb point producer from Orillia.
Not sure anyone else has noticed, but Tree has signed a lot of Canadians. Bert, Domi, Benoit, Mattinen, Sharpe, McMann, Reaves, Gregor, Quillan, Lajoie and Chadwick. I don't think that is a coincidence.
2.) 15 Apr 2024 18:23:47
I’m definitely interested in what he will do this offseason now that he’s seen a full year.
03 May 2024 17:30:51
The idea is sound but I just have doubts that wright can turn into the player he was drafted to be but the value is there a young nhl ready player and a good d option.
30 Apr 2024 09:39:14
I disagree @LL he could go to a contender leafs would have to eat some of his salary tho I like this trade but still left with wanting more I guess my thought ways send Reilly to Utah since they have a thin blueline and take back crouse then at least if Bert don’t come
Back they are protected on the left wing.
24 Apr 2024 09:14:57
Want nothing to do with twinkle toes zegras and marner wouldn’t accept a trade there.
14 Apr 2024 11:18:12
I’m with RFL I don’t think holmberg can be our 3C but I’d try nylander kampf and knies this is the downside of keeping domi on the wing limits what the leafs can do in their bottom six like I still like domi in the middle and Tavares as the 3C.
Bert Matthews marner
Jarnkrok domi nylander
Knies Tavares mcmann
Dewar kampf reaves
Holmberg robbie
That 3rd line could be a problem matchup wise for other teams and when they take reaves out and put holmberg in they have a defensive line.
13 Apr 2024 18:30:08
I like Stephenson as a target and I agree with tags either move Tavares down or move him to a wing.
30 Apr 2024 15:23:56
@clarky like I said I think Toronto realistically can offer him more but ultimately depends on what he wants to do.
30 Apr 2024 15:22:51
Honestly these are the games they win when no one expects them to win they do and then a little spark of hope then fail again.
30 Apr 2024 08:59:49
Money talks and that’s one great thing about being corporate owned they can toss stupid money at rod that most can’t… I’m not really into having knuckle draggers like gallant he too has demons coaches a good team successfully for two years then gets himself fired.
28 Apr 2024 16:13:05
Honestly this team will never win with those players marner and Reilly would be guys I’d look to move yes Reilly needs to go for an offensive dman he has little impact in the ozone enough trying to find him a partner the biggest problem I see and you nailed it RFL is no one goes to the hard area.
26 Apr 2024 09:06:40
Imo will say this migraines can be bad but if they are that bad why is he able to practice but not play.