03 May 2024 19:27:54
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02 May 2024 15:09:57
Let's try the same prop base as RLF did for Seattle.
To NYR
Marner $9.49M ($1.5M retained)
Liljegren RFA
To Toronto
Lafreniere $2.325M/ 1yr RFA
Schneider RFA
2924 4th
Pretty much same reasons as RLF listed from the Seattle prop.
Thoughts?
02 May 2024 17:22:24
I can't see how the Rangers could do this one. They only have 18 players signed next season with $10.5M projected cap space. The deal would leave them with about $3.5M left in cap space and Lindgren and Kakko as RFA's needing deals. Lindgren might command $6M on his own.
It will be hard to move Marner and get a good return because of his cap hit. imo.
02 May 2024 17:51:07
I did look at the projected cap & new they would only have about $3.5M left, but did not go into it further. You're right about Lindgren commanding quite a bit more.
Only thing I can think of is $2.5M retention on Marner & maybe including Goodrow's $3.65M in the deal, who is overpaid for a 4C.
Not sure if this would work for both sides.
Leafs would then have to try and offload Kampf.
02 May 2024 21:29:47
Don’t think the Leafs see any value in a 4th in 2924.
LOL
I KNOW I KNOW far fingers!
02 May 2024 22:54:00
First this is a stupid suggestion. Second Mitch has a no movement clause. and third why would they retain salary?
03 May 2024 04:32:04
I would think Matthews returns game. 7. Marner just isn’t a scoring threat right now. If Matthews can play game 7 it does damage to the confidence of Boston.
03 May 2024 06:08:25
@DM he's never a scoring threat. This isn't just playoffs either. He cannot play in tight checking games. All of his points come against teams that prefer to trade chances.
03 May 2024 20:57:33
Posted above seeing if it's enough of a difference maker for both sides to warrant it.
02 May 2024 13:40:17
Tags had said what about a prop with Marner to Seattle. I told him I would give it a shot.
Seattle
Marner $9.49M($1.5M retained)
Liljegren RFA
Tor
Wright $.918M($3M if bonuses reached)
Borgen $2.7M
2024 3rd(Tor)
Seattle picks up a proven point producer in Marner and they need a still youngish high calibre player. They also get Liljegren to help fill the hole left by Borgen.
Toronto picks up a top 4, big physical RD in Borgen and a young C/RW and former 4th overall pick in Wright who is from Burlington and seems to be getting it at the pro level. Helps Leafs be more cost controlled going forward. They also get their 3rd rounder back for the retention on Marner.
02 May 2024 14:02:59
RLF thanks for the prop.
I like it.
Hopefully Wright develops into that 2C we will need moving forward. Borgen is also another big, physical RHD type guy who Tre covets.
Also, leaves us cap space to target Roy or Tanev.
Good prop IMO.
02 May 2024 22:54:55
these people suggesting the Leafs trade Mitch don't know much about hockey. He haas a no movement clause.
02 May 2024 23:12:42
You must be fun at parties bluenose.
02 May 2024 23:46:41
Bluenoser.
Lol. Anyone that thinks just because a player has an NMC means he will never be traded knows nothing about hockey. No?
I bet I can name players with NMC's that have been moved. Would you like to bet I can?
03 May 2024 11:27:51
I just don’t have a good feeling about Wright turning into an above average player.
Since he left junior he has been average to below average.
He doesn’t inspire confidence.
I like Borgen a lot and have long felt that his style of play would make him a good partner for Morgan Reilly.
03 May 2024 17:30:51
The idea is sound but I just have doubts that wright can turn into the player he was drafted to be but the value is there a young nhl ready player and a good d option.
03 May 2024 20:42:21
RLF…. Good for you! All of us could name players with NMC who were traded. Happens every year at the deadline. The important part is that the player must agree to be traded. Marner wouldn’t agree to go to Seattle IMO.
03 May 2024 21:25:49
Ckps. That's possible, he may not and I've said that before. My point was obvious that my post was a counter to bluenoser saying if you post a trade involving a guy who has a NMC on a fantasy trade site, you don't know anything about hockey.
Good for you to agree with me and miss the point of the post at the same time.
01 May 2024 18:46:21
Let's do this reset the lineup thing
Tor: Matthews
Mtl: Suzuki, dach, barron wifi, primeau 24 1st
Tor: Marner
Ott chabot, kubalik
Tor: Reilly
Van: podKolzin, hoglander, soucy
Leaf lineup before hitting free agency.
Not really sure on lines, but forwards are
Knies, Suzuki, dach, Tavares, nylander, kubalik, hoglander, podKolzin, Robertson, mcmann, Kampf, jarnkrok,Reeves. Can still make some trades and do some free agency work
Defense
Wifi, barron, McCabe Timmins chabot soucy lily.
Goalies woll and primeau.
01 May 2024 12:48:59
Nash
Marner $10.9M
Tor
Scissons $2.86M
Afanasyev $.789M
2024 2nd
Nash picks up a top line RW to play with O'Reilly and Forsberg. They have tons of cap space to re-sign Marner.
Leafs pick up a 2/3 centre, a top 9 prospect and a 2nd plus $8M in new cap space.
Yes, Nash gets the better player and doesn't seem like a ton for Marner. They get valuable cap space and two cost controlled players plus a pick. Time to change the core and need cap space to do that.
01 May 2024 16:09:26
Not against this deal.
I’ve liked Sissons for awhile, hard-to-play against 2-way player.
I also like Cody Glass, younger and bigger with other positive skills but maybe injury prone.
The trade itself doesn’t make us better. The opportunity to change the core with strong UFA is what makes it appealing to me.
01 May 2024 16:18:43
Trade ain't the great, Marner played great, I think he just needs another playmaker/ shooter on his line so he has options. I like this new first line. Maybe they play Matthews for Willy and Knies, JT with Jarnkrok and Robo.
01 May 2024 16:25:36
@RLF IMO I think any Marner deal would have to include a top 4D, preferably RHD.
I get the cap space, but that doesn't guarantee us to get the FA we want.
01 May 2024 16:50:14
Papi. I said the deal favored Nashville. Cap space is the added asset which Leafs don't have if keeping Marner, nor will they have it to add to the top 6 if Marner stays.
Tags. My thought as well to start. Then I went through teams and couldn't find who would want to give up a top 4 and take on Marner's contract.
01 May 2024 19:41:16
@Papi he did not play great lol.
I like this deal.
02 May 2024 00:02:33
Sarros needs to be coming back.
02 May 2024 00:03:29
Can’t say I would like to see that.
I am sure there are much better deals available for a Top 10 scorer and Selke candidate!
02 May 2024 12:14:53
CKPS. I thought about Saros coming back as Nash has Askarov in waiting. Good move for Nash. Not sure for the Leafs though as Saros might be looking for $7-$8M on his next deal. He has been very inconsistent this playoffs as well. I'd rather go with Woll and a solid backup, which should be less combined than what Saros makes and/ or will ask for to re-sign.
WB49. Like what? Post a deal.
02 May 2024 12:25:10
@RLF how about Seattle?
Maybe you can make a Marner prop with Oleksiak (Tre type Dman) & McCann, and possibly Brandon Tanev as well.
Getting Brandon might be an added incentive to lure Chris over in the off season.
02 May 2024 13:32:32
Tags, I think you just did create a prop with Seattle. lol
So, Leafs take on Tanev to get McCann and Oleksiak for Marner I take it?
McCann is a 30-40 goal scorer the last two seasons. They don't have anyone else who scored more than 20 last season, so I am not sure who Marner is setting up for goals. They would probably want Marner to play with McCann.
I will give it a try anyway and post one. lol.
30 Apr 2024 15:35:21
Here are my roster shakeup changes
Tor: marner
Vgk: karlsson Hague 2nd ( tor to likely retains money)
Then
Tor: Reilly
Utah: crouse
Tor: Robertson liljgren
Lak: kaliyev
Rebuild the dcore with free agents leafs get bigger with more depth. Also would ask Tavares if he wants to move as well don't know if that realistic tho
Based on players added
Crouse Matthews
Knies karlsson nylander
Mcmann Tavares kaliyev
Dewar kampf jarnkrok
Hague
Benoit mccabe
Webber niemela
Definitely needs some work but I like it better already
30 Apr 2024 16:41:37
I'm fully on board with trading Marner. It will obviously be a tough task. I'm sick of his soft play and attitude, it really seems to of rubbed off on the team. Move on from Keefe and Samsonov are 2 of my biggest wishes.
30 Apr 2024 16:58:50
Google most points last 5 years Marner is high on that list
I think leaf's win big tonight then it's back itoronto
The core fighting on bench means they are bleeding so let's see tonight
What's wrong Keefe.
30 Apr 2024 19:00:29
@DM what do points matter? If someone had 5 goals in a game, but had 250 giveaways, and ended as a minus 16, would you still say "not his fault"
Obviously a bit of hyperbole, but the point remains. He's been brutal.
01 May 2024 00:00:10
@mackin An awful lot of points and only 1 win In The second round. How do you justify that? You don't, you've already changed the coach, the gm, it's time to change the core.
01 May 2024 02:49:46
Leafslife
Since 2019 Matthews 517 points. Marner 509 points
Leafs would get a great package for Marner but it’s like when Calgary traded Doug gilmour. Marner has the best 5 or 6 years ahead of him he is only 26.
I don’t trade him I let Tavares play out next season see if he can be resigned at $5 to $6. Million
Next season Leafs could have $20 million in cap space
These players don’t return
Bertuzzi
Jarnknok
Kampf
Brodie
Giordano
I keep Domi if he stays for same money Bertuzzi would need to come down significantly in dollars he isn’t worth $5.5. Million.
01 May 2024 03:11:58
@DM if I only account for points, then I'll take Huberdeau over Marner. Let's make the trade now.
01 May 2024 11:16:06
If Marner for Huberdeau, they would add substantially?
02 May 2024 18:59:53
@L67 if Huberdeau is moved they add multiple picks. That's a horrible contract.
30 Apr 2024 01:32:12
Marner Liljegren hildeby to flames
Andersson Coleman 2nd 2026 to Leafs
Robertson Holmberg Steeves to Utah
Mcbain 2nd 2026
Sign defence
Montour
Roy
Sign goalie
Broissoit
Sign forwards
Debrusk
Duclair
Trenin
Lyubushkin edmundson Brodie
Domi Bertuzzi Gregor Samsonov
All walk
Giordano retires
30 Apr 2024 04:22:08
I would be overjoyed with Anderson on this blueline.
30 Apr 2024 06:09:23
Brodie only player a minus 2 last game
Great coaching decision Keefe
Should never have extended him.
02 May 2024 22:57:38
This guy doesn't know much about hockey.
29 Apr 2024 16:06:26
Maybe there's more to the Matthews sickness. Just seems strange.
Anyone else think he's had enough of this team and just quit?
If so, then Matthews may be the one traded, instead of Marner
To Dallas
Matthews $13.25M/ 4yrs
To Toronto
Hintz $8.45M/ 7yrs
Johnston $.895/ 1yr RFA
Harley RFA
2025 1st
Thoughts?
29 Apr 2024 22:53:46
If Mathews is moved, I would actually want more, mostly in prospects, young players, and picks. It would signal a total rebuild to me.
30 Apr 2024 02:15:22
If you think Matthews quit, you know absolutely nothing about hockey. Guy is second on the team in hits in the playoffs. Works his ass off at both ends of the rink.
30 Apr 2024 10:47:14
@ckps1976 probably didn't quit, but why didn't he come out on the bench? He could have just sat with his teammates and shown support and team unity.
30 Apr 2024 13:08:17
It's a lot for Dallas to give up. 2/ 3rds of their top line and a top pair D, plus a 1st. If Leafs pulled this off, might as well move Marner as well because they would have Johnston.
30 Apr 2024 16:44:11
I was just speculating the other day, maybe the players are done with Keefe. Nylander misses 3 games, Mathews has to leave early. It would seem they ran Babcock outta town, so they have the power to do it. Purely speculating.
30 Apr 2024 23:05:31
You absolutely right it is the donut eating coach!
That fat person is gone soon!
Dubas already bought a house for him in Pittsburgh
Plus a total redo of players are coming for next year, Treliving will make that happen.
02 May 2024 00:05:45
Tags …. I’m guessing he didn’t come to the bench because he was being treated …. Likely an IV or something.
02 May 2024 00:05:53
Anyone who thinks Matthews quit on the Leafs is an idiot for even suggesting it.
The guy is obviously sick or injured.
29 Apr 2024 14:47:33
Utah
Marner $10.9M
Tor
McBain $1.6M
Ingram $1.95M
Lamoureux ELC
Utah gets a notable top line player to market around and have tons of cap space. Marner become "the" guy there which probably suits what he wants to be.
Toronto picks up a mid-6 physical forward in McBain(Toronto boy), A goalie with term in Ingram to tandem with Woll and a Big RD prospect while clearing about $7.4M in cap space.
29 Apr 2024 22:54:19
I like it. Utah strikes me as the best target too.
30 Apr 2024 02:16:01
Also a team that marner won’t go to.
30 Apr 2024 04:23:20
@CKPS the biggest issue with a NMC in a nutshell. If he says he's only going to a contender, you can't do much.
We can only speculate on middling teams that he may agree too.
30 Apr 2024 09:37:27
I find the proposal heavily weighted to Utah.
Marner for Keller and McBain I would feel is a better balance.
Keller replaces some of the 90 - 100 points per season that Marner generates.
Also the proposal of Ingram and McBain only carries a $3.75 cap hit while Marner would be adding $10.9 to Utah’s cap.
Substitute Keller ($7.15) for Ingram and Lamoureux and you have $9.1 coming back to the Leafs.
Keller - Matthews - Domi
McMann - Tavares’s - Nylander
Knies - McBain - Jarnkrok.
30 Apr 2024 09:39:14
I disagree @LL he could go to a contender leafs would have to eat some of his salary tho I like this trade but still left with wanting more I guess my thought ways send Reilly to Utah since they have a thin blueline and take back crouse then at least if Bert don’t come
Back they are protected on the left wing.
30 Apr 2024 13:21:18
WB49. Yes, it's weighted to Utah. Switching Keller for Marner doesn't really help Utah be better. Having both makes them better and they have tons of cap space to pull this trade off. For the Leafs, the extra cap space allows them to add a less expensive talent than Marner with the cap space saved ($7.4M) . So, it ends up being Marner for McBain, Ingram, Lamoureux and whoever they sign with the $7.4M. Allows them to probably bring back Bert as well and add on D as Leafs would have over $27M in cap space to spend.
I don't think Marner to a contender would happen unless it is a blockbuster type of deal due to cap implications.
30 Apr 2024 16:47:13
A trade revolving around Marner for Keller (probably plus) would be great. The chemistry Mathews had with him at the All Star tournament was incredible. I'm getting sick of the ghost of Marner come playoffs and fear the contract he will command next.
01 May 2024 23:44:43
I like it
Utah and Marner sounds perfect.
02 May 2024 00:16:24
I think when you trade a player of Marner’s stature and skill level you need to get back somewhat similar value.
McBain is a 3rd/ 4th line player.
Ingram is a backup, possibly 1B goaltender and Lamoureux is a rookie who is a big maybe.
I don’t see that as sufficient justification for clearing cap space.
If you are trading Marner you HAVE to get a top six player or top pairing defenseman in return.
29 Apr 2024 00:05:17
Marner Liljegren Jarnkrok To devils
Hischier 1st 2024 to leafs
To flyers Leafs 1st 2024 Devils 1st2024 Robertson Steeves
To leafs tippett
29 Apr 2024 00:39:39
A case is slowly being made to trade Marner although I thing he stays and extends.
The plan to take Leafs to the next level is pretty clear. Losing key player over the years has really prevented leafs from winning cups.
The first big mistake was trading Kadri the next major mistake was letting Hyman walk. Those are two pieces the Toronto just haven’t replaced highly skilled scorers to back up MATTHEWS MARNER NYLANDER and TAVARES
the only support we have for the big four are Domi and Bertuzzi those two don’t drive enough scoring even they play on a line with Matthews the greatest scorer since Teemu Selanne way back in 92-93.
But this offseason Toronto will finally have the cap space to get the right secondary scoring fix defence and add a goalie . I’m looking for the trade to bring Jacob Markstrom to Toronto.
29 Apr 2024 07:35:23
@DM you keep saying they need more top 6 forwards. If you're making 11+ on a team, you shouldn't need help. That's 4/ 6 of the top 6. You can't blame fringe players for them not producing.
30 Apr 2024 02:17:29
Two firsts and two prospects for Tippett? Yikes. Watch any hockey?
30 Apr 2024 16:48:05
Losing Hyman, yes. Kadri, at his new contract, no.
28 Apr 2024 20:30:11
Tor- Marner, Minten
Uta- Keller, crouse, 1 of Vejmelka/Ingram
Resign Domi, Lyubushkin, Liljegren
Let walk bertuzzi, samsonov, klingberg, murray, Brodie, Edmunson, Gio,
Keller-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares-Nylander
Knies-Holmberg-Crouse
Robertson-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Extra Reaves
Reilly-Lyubushkin
Benoit-Liljregren
McCabe-Niemela
Woll
1 Arizona goalie
I don't know how much cap we saved here but it's definately some then we target d-men in free agency to bump Niemela back down the lineup.
Free agent possibilities - Montour, Dumba, Ghost, Hronek, Zadorov, Pesce
29 Apr 2024 00:09:31
Llyigren can go blow smoke and Domi too!
All defense can go except Benoit and McCabe, Yes, Cry baby Rielly traded!
30 Apr 2024 02:18:51
Lybushkin is a turnstile. So is Benoit in the playoffs.
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