22 Aug 2019 04:31:55
Ok Dubas it is time to put your foot down with the Marner contract. First make the offer to Ferris Bueller 9.5 million for 4years and the deal is good only until September 1 2019 at midnight.

If Marner doesn't sign by then tell the agent you start negotiating again next July 1st and he sits out the year. Then you can use the money to finish the team the way you want Mr. Dubas. The cat and mouse games that these adgents and ELC players are playing needs to be put to a stop, not only in Toronto but all the other RFAS that are waiting to see what happens with Marner.

Yes players deserve to be paid but not at the sacrifice of the other players on the team. Marleau wavied his no trade clause so Dubas could keep and sign zjohnnson and Kapanen.

So if Marner and his adgent want a contract that will strap the team and other players for his own greed then let him sit.

Opinion two is to proceed with opinion one and instead of sitting marner for the year if he doesn't sign by September 1 trade him.

Trade opinion #1
Marner and T. Lylingren
To Columbus
For
Seth Jones and Josh Anderson

Trade opinion #2
Marner, Kapanen, C.Cecei
To Carolina
For Telvivenin, Pecse ,Bean

1.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 06:08:37
Night the trades have been mentioned a lot so I'll leave those alone. I will though, a 4 year deal is the absolute worst length of a contract that Dubas could give him. It has to be 3, 6 or 7 (8 would be better but that's a pipe dream) you can't sign him to 4yrs and let him go UFA then. You also can't do 5 as Mathews, Marner and Nylander needing new contracts at the same time would be a disaster not to mention it's coincidentally close to the time Freddy and Reilly both need new deals.

I'm also pretty sure Marleau did not leave to be selfless but because he wanted to go back to Cali.

2.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 11:59:00
I like the idea of playing hard ball, but definitely not a 4 year deal. Agree with LeafsLife on the term. IMO, this will be a 1, 3 or 6 year deal. A 1 year deal gets him on the ice and the Leafs can renegotiate and sign after Jan 1st.

3.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 13:25:44
I remember when the Marleau deal was first signed, the analysts were all saying that the deal was constructed to make a trade in the final year easy. So I suspect that the agreement to trade was already in place, just it was unwritten for obvious reasons.

4.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 14:28:36
Leaf fans you are not getting Seth Jones for marner. Your best option is pesce. Only because Carolina has a plethora of dmen.

5.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 16:21:23
Just pay the kid he’s earned it
Leafs will fall apart without Marner
Matthews got payed missing games and a no show in last years playoffs (2018)
Marner is hands down leafs best player.

6.) 22 Aug 2019
22 Aug 2019 17:55:37
@redwing

You’re starting to sound like a broken record. Thing is though, I’ve heard this joke before. Something involving Trouba. I’ve asked multiple times for a recent precedent that would support your view that Jones is worth more than Marner, but you have yet to provide one. I suspect that is because there isn’t one.

Is Jones so much better than Trouba, Muzzin, Barrie, Subban, Karlsson, that he should be worth a player of Marner’s caliber while they only got returns of picks/ prospects? I hardly think so.

Again, I ask for a recent precedent to support your valuation. If you can’t provide one, then maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

7.) 23 Aug 2019
23 Aug 2019 01:18:34
@eazy

All advanced stats make the argument that JT helped Marner a lot and all stats other than pts show Mathews as the better player. That said, Mathews 100% did not disappear in the playoffs like he did the year before. We must have been watching different games because he played very well for the last 4 games and scored 5 goals. Marner is not Leafs best player (obviously my opinion not fact) as I have them ranked;

1 Reilly
2 JT
2A Mathews
4 Marner
5 Nylander

That's if I don't throw Freddy in there somewhere. Love Marner as a player and I think he has a bright future but I don't get the hate for Reilly as to me he is clearly the best player as Tavares and Mathews clearly drive the play more than anyone else. JT a bit higher as he actually plays defence though lol Mathews will learn. Also consider Marner had JT Mathews had Johnson and Kapanen. Big difference. Google "Marner over rated" and you will find countless articles stating he isn't the second coming of Wayne Gretzky.

@Leafsgm

I also don't think Marner is worth Seth Jones but your right comparables are hard to find. Issue with comparables though is no number one D has been moved recently on a good contract that loves where he plays that I know of. Karlson was a rental, Trouba wanted out and they couldn't afford him, Subban they were trying to dump so badly they were willing to eat some salary if need be, Barrie is a rental and Muzzin (in my opinion) isn't as talented as Seth Jones. Also have to consider Marner wanting so much money as opposed to what Jones gets. Player salary dictates trade value in a lot of ways in hockey more than any other sport. Marner at 8/ yr for 8 years would probably get you Jones or at least very, very close. Marner at 11.5/ 5yrs not so much.

8.) 23 Aug 2019
23 Aug 2019 17:58:53
If we wait another year and trade for him at deadline next year, then Jones basically becomes a rental himself. How much would you pay at deadline next year for him? I can’t see it being Marner. I just don’t see how a short term player is worth as much as an elite player on a long term deal, regardless of position. Even looking at guys like Hamilton. He was traded for either Hanifin or Lindholm, depending how you want to break up the deal. At the time, neither Hanifin or Lindholm had done anything. They broke out in Calgary. When Boston traded Hamilton, the return was even less. Another example, Hall-Larsson. Hall hadn’t done much up to that point. A good player, sure, but far below Marner’s level. And yet Chiarelli was ridiculed massively for the deal. Admittedly Larsson is a lower tier than Jones, but if Hall is overpayment for Larsson, then you got to think Marner is overpayment for Jones. There is no doubt in my mind that if Toronto traded Marner for Jones straight up, Dubas would be fired instantly. He’s just too good a player to trade for a short term asset.

So again, to repeat the question I asked at the beginning, how much would you pay for Jones at the deadline next year? It wouldn’t be Marner I assume. So Marner is worth 1.5 years of Jones? Mathematically it would be (Marner - traded player) = 1.5 years of Jones. I’m jus too not seeing the value.

I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one LeafLife. Thank you for responding to the question posed to RedWing though. I appreciate an intelligent response rather than just accepting someone’s opinion on faith.