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10 May 2024 03:03:09
In the interest of fairness, I have made this trade prop since I joined the site (maybe 5 or 6 years ago) . Opinions change, mine included, on it.
Tor Marner
Ott Chabot.
1.) 10 May 2024 03:35:42
Chabot, an always injured defenseman of the Ottawa Senators is a left handed defender, not even remotely filling the needs of the Toronto Maple Leafs who are in dire need of a top pairing right handed defenseman who is not injured 20+ games per season.
2020 - 2021 - 49 games played
2021 - 2022 - 59 games played
2022 - 2023 - 68 games played
2023 - 2024 - 51 games played.
2.) 10 May 2024 14:41:15
Marner for Tkachuk?
13 Apr 2024 21:10:56
Now might be the time to pick the carcass of the failed Yotes. I'm sure not everyone will want to move to Utah.
They seem to really. like Jack mcbain, but I'd love to throw some offers out there. Maybe Robertson+late-ish pick?
1.) 14 Apr 2024 02:08:24
I'm not sure if there will be a carcass. I would assume Utah will want to be good, especially since the League is expected to buy the team for $1B.
2.) 14 Apr 2024 03:06:07
@RLF doesn't mean every player wants yo move to Utah. It's unlike any other place in NA in a lot of ways, ans they signed up for Arizona.
Good time to at least try.
3.) 14 Apr 2024 05:44:47
It is the management who determine the trades not the players.
4.) 14 Apr 2024 13:17:07
LL. Yes, but as waterbuffalo said, the players under team control don't get to decide, unless you are predicting a revolt from the players. I doubt players wanted to go from Atlanta to Winnipeg either. Does Robertson+ get McBain? Maybe. But I don't think it will be because all the players demand to get out of playing in Utah.
5.) 15 Apr 2024 13:37:06
The fact that Arizona has to win the land auction, for their new arena and the league already has Utah as a contingency plan. Kinda stinks of some shady dealings. Someone just has to outbit Yates ownership (the league and or Utah owners) .
6.) 15 Apr 2024 19:22:33
Leafs67. It is weird isn't it.
7.) 15 Apr 2024 22:42:08
@L67 the best part is the league taking 200m for no reason.
8.) 16 Apr 2024 14:26:02
Vegas paid 500M, Seattle 650M.
Utah 700+M?
Outbit the Yotes, then flip the property. Almost seems to easy lol.
9.) 16 Apr 2024 21:53:50
@L67 pretty sure Utah is paying 1.2b.
10.) 17 Apr 2024 11:29:37
Wow! So is the fee just gonna continue to double?
11.) 17 Apr 2024 21:16:26
Yeah, franchise values are skyrocketing league wide. If you pay 1.2b to acquire the Yotes, what is a real team worth?
12.) 18 Apr 2024 13:52:17
I believe the $1.2B is for lock stack and barrel. Players, management, equipment etc. The fees paid by Vegas and Seattle were just for the franchise fees. How does that all equate value wise? I have no idea.
13.) 18 Apr 2024 14:57:55
@RLF they're calling this an "expansion" though, so I'm assuming it's a way of pulling some shady moves to make more money.
14.) 18 Apr 2024 16:24:20
LL. IIRC, there is something in their about the current Yotes ownership has 5 years to be able to bring a team back to Arizona or something like that. New arena site, Shovels in the ground on a new arena, finances in order etc have to all be done in 5 years. It is a strange situation. It's like the League is giving the owner $1B and 5 years to get it done and then charging the Utah group $1.2B to have the franchise, but Arizona ownership has 5 years to show they can have a franchise and likely the League then charges them a franchise fee. I don't know. It's confusing.
15.) 18 Apr 2024 19:15:37
@RLF that's the odd part. It's like a billion dollar loan, as he also has to spend 1B if he wants the team.
29 Mar 2024 21:37:35
Good signing for Benoit and the team. He almost doubles his salary going forward, gets a 3 year deal, and still has something to play for as he will expire in his late 20s.
Tre getting him at a bottom pairing number for 3 years is also stellar.
It brought me back to the Justin Holl and Pierre Engvall signings seeing this recently. Middle 6 and bottom pairing players Dubas signed vs McCann and Benoit for Tre. I have to look at this as almost exactly the same situation, except Tre did a better job.
1.) 30 Mar 2024 02:50:15
McMann not McCann.
Dubas left McCann unprotected in the expansion draft in order to protect Justin Holl.
2.) 30 Mar 2024 03:17:54
@WB yes, I know the name, I watch him quite a lot lol.
Auto-coerect always changes it, and I figured everyone (other than you apparently), understood.
3.) 30 Mar 2024 04:49:07
It is great signing we see how many more they sign b4 end of season
Robertson 2 years $1.35 mil per
Liljegren 3 years x $3 million per
Domi 3 years x $2.5 million per
Bertuzzi 4 years $3.5 million per
Jones 2 years $1.35 million per
2 players that don need a lot of high talent around them and can drive lines Matthews and Marner.
4.) 30 Mar 2024 12:21:13
Sorry I don't want lily or Robertson back I hope they are in a pkg for a legit top 4 d man.
5.) 30 Mar 2024 13:43:00
All his signings with term are big and physical and play a heavy style of game. Not talking about Willy obviously. I mean Reaves, Benoit, McMann and yes, even Kampf. He will evaluate Boosh and Edmundson and then if he likes them, I wouldn't be surprised if he can get them at the right number to try and extend them. Benoit and Boosh as a 3rd pair tendem wouldn't upset me at all. Rielly and McCabe as the top pair. Then have to fill in the middle.
Johnny. What I have been saying for a while as well. I just don't see Liljegren do anything well enough to compensate for his lack of physical prowess defensively. Maybe with the right partner? I am definitely not sold on him being more than a #5.
Mackin. I see Robertson and Jones as the only realistic numbers you have there.
6.) 30 Mar 2024 18:03:16
I see lily as nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy as well and he's soft.
7.) 31 Mar 2024 17:54:34
Come on David, I told you to pick a new favourite.
Robertson and Llyigren will be traded at the draft to San Jose and Anaheim for picks.
Bertuzzi I would resign but only at $3.5
Domi will be not be resigned, and Jones will be replaced with Talbot.
Get on the Barbolini train David as Robertson is leaving.
01 Mar 2024 05:06:07
Great trade.
3rd and late pick for Boosh at 675k?
Well played tree.
1.) 01 Mar 2024 11:30:51
Indeed Trev got it right this time. Still has cap space plus with Giordano most likely going on LTIR just got back all that cap space plus more. We’ll done ??.
2.) 01 Mar 2024 11:42:52
I’m down on this trade yes they didn’t give up much but boosh isn’t the difference maker they need I hope he targets a decent forward.
3.) 01 Mar 2024 12:34:43
Good trade. When you can get a physical 3rd pair D for a 3rd and 6th and for $675K, how can someone complain.
4.) 01 Mar 2024 12:37:54
Not a flashy trade, but and absolutely Solid trade! That plus Woll back in net. Things are starting to look up.
18 Jan 2024 15:55:23
Everyone is screaming for Keefe to be fired because that will fix these issues. Although I agree, I think you need to point out how bad this team is on the back end and depth.
JT 24g 64 pts
Marner 36g 94 pts
Mathews 68g 100 pts
Willy 42g 104 pts
That's the pace the big 4 are on. If wr look around the league at what 11 million dollars gets you on other teams, this just isn't it. Mathews is earning his money, Willy was until his contract was signed now he's fallen off a cliff, JT is playing like a 3C not a 1B, and Willy once again will not hit 100pts for that money.
What is another coach going to do here exactly? Make JT 5 years younger and Marner into a better player? Marner is a good player, but he isn't elite imo.
Looking at the D is even worse. Rielly is alone on an island. He's the only one producing from the back end at all, and Gio/ Brodie are almost unplayable. McCabe is what he is, but shouldn't be in there for 20+ minutes and Benoit is a fantastic 5-6 right now, but he isn't winning the Norris anytime soon.
What does another coach do here? I really don't see any difference.
Fire Keefe, but don't expect a cup with this roster no matter who they hire.
1.) 18 Jan 2024 16:35:40
The coach creates and implements systems. Their D zone coverage and penalty killing are brutal. So the players are either lousy or they’re not listening to the coaches, or both. Old saying is you can’t fire all the players so coach is first to go. I’d trade marner in a heartbeat but he won’t likely waive. I’d even let him walk into UFA when the time comes, just to recoup the cap space. You sign two very good players for the same money he’d want.
Keefe has to go, fair or not. Berube is probably the best option. Maybe Gallant.
2.) 18 Jan 2024 16:35:49
The blue line is the problem after Reilly, Benoit has been great for a bottom pairing guy. Bottom 6 guys have no identity and Samsonov pissed away a lot of points for the team. They'd be comfortably be in a playoff spot the trade deadline can't fix all the holes this team has and I'd rather they didn't trade away picks and prospects for rentals. Thus current team will be steamrolled in the 1st round.
3.) 18 Jan 2024 16:45:10
I think they need a coach that has a set off on him. Someone that’s willing to hold everyone accountable, equally. Shouldn’t matter the name on the jersey or how much you make. Right now, it doesn’t feel that way.
4.) 18 Jan 2024 17:15:55
I will rinse and repeat what I have said for probably going on two months. This isn't the year to go for it. We are looking at 1-2 years down the road we may have the team in place to go for it. I am still for firing Keefe. Bring in a guy with experience that can start to use this year to mold the team into how he wants it, Has to be a guy who likes heavy team play because we know that's what Tree would like to build.
5.) 18 Jan 2024 17:25:58
@CKPS I agree Keefe isn't the man for the job, I'm just pointing out that all the hate on Keefe is a bit unjustified.
I don't see a coach in the world that makes this D-corps look like anything more than it is. After Mo you have nothing.
After the big 4, they have nothing. JT isn't what he once was. His 5 on 5 numbers have been steadily declining and now he's in pace for 60 points.
What difference does a coach make?
6.) 18 Jan 2024 18:19:04
They need some more two way players and more rhd they have 3-4 forwards who are considered defensive players their pk sucks their pp isn’t much better there is some bright spots on this roster but it’s the same every year the blueline is sub par or below average and if the big guys aren’t producing they are not winning but they also take up all the ice time.
7.) 19 Jan 2024 01:46:04
If Keefe is fired then Treliving should be fired as well.
He’s the one who gave Keefe, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi, overpaid Kampf and allowed Schenn and Gustafsson to walk.
Treliving is the brilliant strategist who trade Lafferty for a 5th round pick instead of waiving Reaves.
Treliving’s waste of $20M in cap space condemned Keefe!
Treliving has had 8 months on the job and look at the state of the Leafs.
8.) 19 Jan 2024 12:45:48
Waterbuffalo
So letting two 3rd pair D-men, both in their 30's walk, is a massive issue? Have you not lobbied constantly that the Leafs need to stop signing older guys?
Treliving has made mistakes. Every GM does. He has also made some shrewd signings and moves. Let's say he signed Schenn and Gustafsson like you wanted. That means no Benoit who is basically Schenn but a lot younger and cheaper. Wouldn't Gustafsson have taken our "2nd best defenceman" Liljegren's spot. That is also $3.6M on two 30+ year old D-men. You say Leafs shouldn't go after Tanev because he is 34, but wanted Tree to re-sign Schenn, who is 34.
all of this is revisionist history. You look at guys having good seasons elsewhere and say Tree should have done this or that and since he didn't, he has a list of blunders.
Most that are saying fire Keefe, said the same thing before Treliving got here, so it isn't based off of this year alone.
9.) 19 Jan 2024 15:11:27
But I think WB has a point. Tre did mess up a lot of the pick ups and never improved the D. I don’t think Keefe is the right coach here but I do think Tre hand cuffed him with a worse D than last year and Brodie is pretty much unusable. Keefe was set up to fail this year but he should have adjusted to a more defensive style and running two lines into the ground is not the answer. I really believe Bert and Domi along with a few others would thrive under a new coach. Bert does not like Keefe, he is probably sick of getting yelled at for what Nylander does every shift.
10.) 19 Jan 2024 17:56:08
Clarky. I admitted Tree made mistakes, but not re-signing Schenn for 3X$2.75M and not re-signing Gustavsson was not one of the mistakes.
Klingberg was also signed for the D, but is injured. In the end, no harm no foul as he is out for the season. People seem to forget Klingberg was supposed to be part of it. Brodie was supposed to be better than he has been. Liljegren was supposed to take another step, he hasn't. This is not actually playing like the the D-core that it was envisioned to be.
Let's also not forget the he wasn't allowed to participate in the draft, which also means hard to make a deal at the draft, even if he wanted to, when you can't be there.
He got Matthews to sign for a modest raise, which is looking like a steal. That never gets talked about.
All the good signings he made never gets talked about. Benoit, Lagesson, Jones, Gregor.
He took Sammy to arbitration instead of giving into him for around $5N with term. Waterbuffalo wanted Samsonov re-signed and said why go after Hellebuyck when we have Samsonov.
Let's also not forget he had very little cap space and lots of holes to fill with no assets to use to get good players. Free agency was the only way.
I keep hearing how he should have got his guy or that because people see these guys doing well on other teams and making less than say Bertuzzi. No one knows if they even wanted to come here or would have done well here. It's all speculation.
That is why I said it's revisionist history. Should have because I now see what these other guys are doing and it seems better than what we have.
Dubas was here for years, so I feel he is fair to criticize. Tree has been here a few months under almost impossible circumstances and people want a miracle Stanley Cup contender built. I said in the off-season, I have no idea how we can build a good team with such little cap space and so few assets. People had unrealistic expectations is the problem. That and people flip flopping from what they said in the past and now trying to claim they know better when they said the opposite in the past.
11.) 19 Jan 2024 19:01:00
@RLF yes he made some good minor decisions but anything with any substance not so well. Taking Sammy to arbitration and $100,000 signing bonus to Jones are his highlights (Benoit as well but lucky) . We needed a #1 RHD and got Klingberg. Yes he got injured but Tre did nothing since. Year is now a waste. Willy signing represents everything the True Leaf fans didn’t want to happen. Over signing wingers with no heart and still don’t have depth or D.
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05 Jan 2025 22:20:53
Kaliyev is on waivers. Definitely a guy I'd take a chance on if he makes it that far.
1.) 06 Jan 2025 17:56:14
Soft player even though he has size. I would pass.
2.) 07 Jan 2025 13:59:52
He has been out all season with a fractured collarbone. The problem is Leafs are at 23 man roster. Otherwise, I would have claimed him had the chance arose. If it didn't work, waive him.
01 Dec 2024 04:33:17
This was different.
As soon as that 4-2 goal went in I expected a complete collapse (and it was close), but the effort was still there to close out the game.
Yes, that old sinking feeling creeper into the team, but the difference a coach makes is palpable. They faught back and ended up with an empty netter. A year ago this would have been an OT win for TB 5-4.
1.) 01 Dec 2024 12:25:46
100%LL. Berube needs his praise for making this a playoff style team. That penalty that made it 4-3 was an absolute joke on OEL. It’s like the refs tried to make the game closer. But we are starting to see buyin from our superstars. Best Nylander and Marner have looked since they have been a Leaf!
2.) 01 Dec 2024 15:00:09
There is buy in and a lot of that is because of Berube. But without the right personnel to surround the stars, where they feel the need to play differently, it wouldn't matter.
IMO- It's time people starting finally giving Tree some love. He built in just over a year what Dubas couldn't do at all.
Look at his body of work - Tree fired Keefe and brought in Berube. He brought in Tanev, OEL, Stolarz, Dewar, Hakanpaa, Benoit, Domi, Paches, Lorentz, Myers etc. Also got a good return on Liljegren. He remade this roster in 1 year. The Woll signing might end up being a steal. Like McMann and Benoit's contracts.
Most figured Reaves contract wouldn't age well, but the signing was necessary at the time to start changing the culture of the team. Klingberg didn't work, but ultimately didn't hurt them either. No one is talking about how they miss Lafferty anymore. He made a lot of good 1 year signings last year, which set him up well for this season.
We now have 3 heavy, physical, (with two being very young) LW's in Knies, McMann and Grebenkin. Add to that Minten, Cowan, Steeves etc and all the new D depth, it is a remarkable turn around.
Tree deserves a ton of credit.
3.) 03 Dec 2024 04:34:13
@RLF I will make my judgement of Tre on nice I see what he does with this core 4. He has made some bad moves and ones that have worked out so far. But the big decisions will happen this offseason.
4.) 03 Dec 2024 13:39:18
Clarky. I am not denying that he has made some poor moves. All GM's do. If you look at what everyone complained about pre-Treliving, it was mostly. We all wanted this team to play a heavier, playoff style game. We wanted a bigger and better defence. We wanted a team that was tough to play against. We wanted better goaltending. We wanted Keefe gone and his style of play. Exactly what hasn't Tree delivered in only one year+ is my point?
We can all complain about Reaves, the Lafferty trade, Klingberg or that he hasn't made a big trade yet. How about the fact that he had no assets to trade for major help and still built the kind of team we have all asked for. That's impressive to me. I am saying credit where credit is due at this point in his tenure.
10 Nov 2024 18:12:44
What's going on with Willy? Looks like he decided he wants to win a Hart this year. I didn't see this coming.
1.) 11 Nov 2024 12:57:44
I think he's been the Leafs best player so far, other than maybe Stolarz.
Nylander is not getting the attention he deserves IMO. He's been playing great offensively and defensively as well. That PP goal against Montreal when he rushed from his own zone, crossed the blue line with a couple of moves and great edge work back into the middle was a thing of beauty. Fantastic goal.
2.) 11 Nov 2024 15:35:22
@Tags agree completely. I don't expect him to win a Selke, but he's so much better in his own end suddenly I will not complain in the slightest.
3.) 11 Nov 2024 16:27:18
Willy has been very good. Compete is up. He tailed off last season after a good start, so hoping Berube will continue to hold him to account and Willy keeps it up.
4.) 11 Nov 2024 18:10:38
I think the boys realize that they are not 23 it’s either buy in or never win a cup.
28 Oct 2024 16:05:58
Not sure about anyone else, but I really like this McCabe extension. 5 years takes him to 36 when you probably don't want him anymore and 4.5m is fair value. Nicely done Tre. Was a bit worried he'd be overpaid like everyone else.
1.) 28 Oct 2024 16:40:13
I agree with you LL. Not too long and likely less than market value. 2nd pair D-men are going to be getting paid and with OEL that could be a 2nd pair for less than $9M total. I think Tree did a good job on this one.
2.) 28 Oct 2024 17:31:16
Definitely agree boys. Seems like $5.5Mish is pretty much the going rate, so this is a great deal IMO.
3.) 28 Oct 2024 17:58:03
Looks like the leafs will have the oldest top 4 in a couple years
Bring out the walkers…. and LTIR.
4.) 28 Oct 2024 18:27:18
In a way, Leafs D are already oldish. Leafs this season D age 30,34,33,31,26,26 (Hakanpaa 32)
Recent Cup winners - By Avg TOI in playoff
Panthers 27,29,27,27,32,33
Vegas 33,27,35,32,26,24
Colorado 23,27,20,30,33,35
Tampa 30,31,22,23,30,30.
5.) 29 Oct 2024 11:28:13
Reminds me of Punch Imlach days. He was last coach to win Cup in ‘67 of course and he loved older experienced guys.
That year their core D were Alan Stanley 39, Tim Horton 36, Marcel Pronovost, 25 and Bob Baun 29.
Other D included Al Arbour 33, Kent Douglas 29 and Larry Hillman 28.
LOL
Maybe we’ve got the right group. Back to the future.
27 Oct 2024 00:59:22
Core 4 just isn't working.
Everyone keeps trying to trade Jarnkrok and Kampf, saying we need more depth or defence, goaltending isn't good enough, on and on. That just isn't it though.
Solar was good.
Defence was fine.
Depth was ok.
Core 4 may be scoring, but they are not playing well. They look exactly like they did under Babs. Lazy hockey, turnover city, get points for yourself and no one cares about anything else, once Selke candidates now turn into the worst defensive forwards in hockey.
Berube seems to be riding them all in the way he should be, the way my boss would be if I showed up with a lazy effort. They just don't care and want Keefe back.
1.) 27 Oct 2024 04:20:17
I think them main issue here is the power play they won’t change it and this team will continue to struggle seems like Matthews is feeling the pressure of the C domi at centre works sometimes but not a long term deal.
2.) 27 Oct 2024 11:50:53
@Goat the PP is horrible, that's a fair point. I would say that at 5on5 they have also not been good though. JT doesn't look good at all, Mitchy can't stop turning it over, defensive miscues everywhere for all of the core 4, it's been a mess.
11 Jan 2025 06:14:17
I'm not ready to punt on Mo. He's been the best playoff performer for years. This conversation happens until playoffs every single season and he shuts everyone up. For what he's paid, I'm willing to keep him.
10 Jan 2025 16:56:57
Solid trade imo. They love McBain and won't let him go cheap.
What does a young-ish, middle 6 centre of McBain's quality go for? Probably a 1st plus.
10 Jan 2025 16:55:45
Never wanted Risto. He has to many Tyson Barrie vibes.
09 Jan 2025 18:17:36
I don't think that's even close for Andersson. I'd probably throw in a first and a better prospect.
I'm wondering about Towes as well. Maybe he's still a solid 3C option, but I have no idea.
08 Jan 2025 18:25:26
Marner can't make that much. Say what you want, but you can't have Mitch and Willy on the same team making that much as wingers. One needs to at least be 2C, which neither one can do.
10 Jan 2025 16:54:45
@RLF he's not great defensively, but that team such an absolute mess and has been for a decade, I can let some things go. Everyone that leaves Buffalo gets better.
07 Jan 2025 18:39:46
@RLF disagree on Dahlin. I think he's a future Noeris winner on a better team. My only issue with acquiring him is which side he plays. They're committed to Mo now. Can't really afford someone to replace his spot.
05 Jan 2025 17:22:31
Not sure either. He's been getting better consistently.
03 Jan 2025 16:45:15
Bad coaching, bad management, bad roster decisions, it's pretty much what I expected from this tournament.
As Tags said, I don't take much from it.
02 Jan 2025 01:54:39
Agree with Tags and Goat. Someone might pay a 1st for him if he keeps up the pace, but they'll be disappointed.