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10 May 2024 03:03:09
In the interest of fairness, I have made this trade prop since I joined the site (maybe 5 or 6 years ago) . Opinions change, mine included, on it.

Tor Marner

Ott Chabot.


1.) 10 May 2024 03:35:42
Chabot, an always injured defenseman of the Ottawa Senators is a left handed defender, not even remotely filling the needs of the Toronto Maple Leafs who are in dire need of a top pairing right handed defenseman who is not injured 20+ games per season.
2020 - 2021 - 49 games played
2021 - 2022 - 59 games played
2022 - 2023 - 68 games played
2023 - 2024 - 51 games played.

2.) 10 May 2024 14:41:15
Marner for Tkachuk?



13 Apr 2024 21:10:56
Now might be the time to pick the carcass of the failed Yotes. I'm sure not everyone will want to move to Utah.

They seem to really. like Jack mcbain, but I'd love to throw some offers out there. Maybe Robertson+late-ish pick?


1.) 14 Apr 2024 02:08:24
I'm not sure if there will be a carcass. I would assume Utah will want to be good, especially since the League is expected to buy the team for $1B.

2.) 14 Apr 2024 03:06:07
@RLF doesn't mean every player wants yo move to Utah. It's unlike any other place in NA in a lot of ways, ans they signed up for Arizona.

Good time to at least try.

3.) 14 Apr 2024 05:44:47
It is the management who determine the trades not the players.

4.) 14 Apr 2024 13:17:07
LL. Yes, but as waterbuffalo said, the players under team control don't get to decide, unless you are predicting a revolt from the players. I doubt players wanted to go from Atlanta to Winnipeg either. Does Robertson+ get McBain? Maybe. But I don't think it will be because all the players demand to get out of playing in Utah.

5.) 15 Apr 2024 13:37:06
The fact that Arizona has to win the land auction, for their new arena and the league already has Utah as a contingency plan. Kinda stinks of some shady dealings. Someone just has to outbit Yates ownership (the league and or Utah owners) .

6.) 15 Apr 2024 19:22:33
Leafs67. It is weird isn't it.

7.) 15 Apr 2024 22:42:08
@L67 the best part is the league taking 200m for no reason.

8.) 16 Apr 2024 14:26:02
Vegas paid 500M, Seattle 650M.
Utah 700+M?
Outbit the Yotes, then flip the property. Almost seems to easy lol.

9.) 16 Apr 2024 21:53:50
@L67 pretty sure Utah is paying 1.2b.

10.) 17 Apr 2024 11:29:37
Wow! So is the fee just gonna continue to double?

11.) 17 Apr 2024 21:16:26
Yeah, franchise values are skyrocketing league wide. If you pay 1.2b to acquire the Yotes, what is a real team worth?

12.) 18 Apr 2024 13:52:17
I believe the $1.2B is for lock stack and barrel. Players, management, equipment etc. The fees paid by Vegas and Seattle were just for the franchise fees. How does that all equate value wise? I have no idea.

13.) 18 Apr 2024 14:57:55
@RLF they're calling this an "expansion" though, so I'm assuming it's a way of pulling some shady moves to make more money.

14.) 18 Apr 2024 16:24:20
LL. IIRC, there is something in their about the current Yotes ownership has 5 years to be able to bring a team back to Arizona or something like that. New arena site, Shovels in the ground on a new arena, finances in order etc have to all be done in 5 years. It is a strange situation. It's like the League is giving the owner $1B and 5 years to get it done and then charging the Utah group $1.2B to have the franchise, but Arizona ownership has 5 years to show they can have a franchise and likely the League then charges them a franchise fee. I don't know. It's confusing.

15.) 18 Apr 2024 19:15:37
@RLF that's the odd part. It's like a billion dollar loan, as he also has to spend 1B if he wants the team.



29 Mar 2024 21:37:35
Good signing for Benoit and the team. He almost doubles his salary going forward, gets a 3 year deal, and still has something to play for as he will expire in his late 20s.

Tre getting him at a bottom pairing number for 3 years is also stellar.

It brought me back to the Justin Holl and Pierre Engvall signings seeing this recently. Middle 6 and bottom pairing players Dubas signed vs McCann and Benoit for Tre. I have to look at this as almost exactly the same situation, except Tre did a better job.


1.) 30 Mar 2024 02:50:15
McMann not McCann.
Dubas left McCann unprotected in the expansion draft in order to protect Justin Holl.

2.) 30 Mar 2024 03:17:54
@WB yes, I know the name, I watch him quite a lot lol.

Auto-coerect always changes it, and I figured everyone (other than you apparently), understood.

3.) 30 Mar 2024 04:49:07
It is great signing we see how many more they sign b4 end of season

Robertson 2 years $1.35 mil per
Liljegren 3 years x $3 million per
Domi 3 years x $2.5 million per
Bertuzzi 4 years $3.5 million per
Jones 2 years $1.35 million per

2 players that don need a lot of high talent around them and can drive lines Matthews and Marner.

4.) 30 Mar 2024 12:21:13
Sorry I don't want lily or Robertson back I hope they are in a pkg for a legit top 4 d man.

5.) 30 Mar 2024 13:43:00
All his signings with term are big and physical and play a heavy style of game. Not talking about Willy obviously. I mean Reaves, Benoit, McMann and yes, even Kampf. He will evaluate Boosh and Edmundson and then if he likes them, I wouldn't be surprised if he can get them at the right number to try and extend them. Benoit and Boosh as a 3rd pair tendem wouldn't upset me at all. Rielly and McCabe as the top pair. Then have to fill in the middle.

Johnny. What I have been saying for a while as well. I just don't see Liljegren do anything well enough to compensate for his lack of physical prowess defensively. Maybe with the right partner? I am definitely not sold on him being more than a #5.

Mackin. I see Robertson and Jones as the only realistic numbers you have there.

6.) 30 Mar 2024 18:03:16
I see lily as nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy as well and he's soft.

7.) 31 Mar 2024 17:54:34
Come on David, I told you to pick a new favourite.
Robertson and Llyigren will be traded at the draft to San Jose and Anaheim for picks.

Bertuzzi I would resign but only at $3.5
Domi will be not be resigned, and Jones will be replaced with Talbot.

Get on the Barbolini train David as Robertson is leaving.



01 Mar 2024 05:06:07
Great trade.

3rd and late pick for Boosh at 675k?

Well played tree.


1.) 01 Mar 2024 11:30:51
Indeed Trev got it right this time. Still has cap space plus with Giordano most likely going on LTIR just got back all that cap space plus more. We’ll done ??.

2.) 01 Mar 2024 11:42:52
I’m down on this trade yes they didn’t give up much but boosh isn’t the difference maker they need I hope he targets a decent forward.

3.) 01 Mar 2024 12:34:43
Good trade. When you can get a physical 3rd pair D for a 3rd and 6th and for $675K, how can someone complain.

4.) 01 Mar 2024 12:37:54
Not a flashy trade, but and absolutely Solid trade! That plus Woll back in net. Things are starting to look up.



18 Jan 2024 15:55:23
Everyone is screaming for Keefe to be fired because that will fix these issues. Although I agree, I think you need to point out how bad this team is on the back end and depth.

JT 24g 64 pts
Marner 36g 94 pts
Mathews 68g 100 pts
Willy 42g 104 pts

That's the pace the big 4 are on. If wr look around the league at what 11 million dollars gets you on other teams, this just isn't it. Mathews is earning his money, Willy was until his contract was signed now he's fallen off a cliff, JT is playing like a 3C not a 1B, and Willy once again will not hit 100pts for that money.

What is another coach going to do here exactly? Make JT 5 years younger and Marner into a better player? Marner is a good player, but he isn't elite imo.

Looking at the D is even worse. Rielly is alone on an island. He's the only one producing from the back end at all, and Gio/ Brodie are almost unplayable. McCabe is what he is, but shouldn't be in there for 20+ minutes and Benoit is a fantastic 5-6 right now, but he isn't winning the Norris anytime soon.

What does another coach do here? I really don't see any difference.

Fire Keefe, but don't expect a cup with this roster no matter who they hire.


1.) 18 Jan 2024 16:35:40
The coach creates and implements systems. Their D zone coverage and penalty killing are brutal. So the players are either lousy or they’re not listening to the coaches, or both. Old saying is you can’t fire all the players so coach is first to go. I’d trade marner in a heartbeat but he won’t likely waive. I’d even let him walk into UFA when the time comes, just to recoup the cap space. You sign two very good players for the same money he’d want.

Keefe has to go, fair or not. Berube is probably the best option. Maybe Gallant.

2.) 18 Jan 2024 16:35:49
The blue line is the problem after Reilly, Benoit has been great for a bottom pairing guy. Bottom 6 guys have no identity and Samsonov pissed away a lot of points for the team. They'd be comfortably be in a playoff spot the trade deadline can't fix all the holes this team has and I'd rather they didn't trade away picks and prospects for rentals. Thus current team will be steamrolled in the 1st round.

3.) 18 Jan 2024 16:45:10
I think they need a coach that has a set off on him. Someone that’s willing to hold everyone accountable, equally. Shouldn’t matter the name on the jersey or how much you make. Right now, it doesn’t feel that way.

4.) 18 Jan 2024 17:15:55
I will rinse and repeat what I have said for probably going on two months. This isn't the year to go for it. We are looking at 1-2 years down the road we may have the team in place to go for it. I am still for firing Keefe. Bring in a guy with experience that can start to use this year to mold the team into how he wants it, Has to be a guy who likes heavy team play because we know that's what Tree would like to build.

5.) 18 Jan 2024 17:25:58
@CKPS I agree Keefe isn't the man for the job, I'm just pointing out that all the hate on Keefe is a bit unjustified.

I don't see a coach in the world that makes this D-corps look like anything more than it is. After Mo you have nothing.

After the big 4, they have nothing. JT isn't what he once was. His 5 on 5 numbers have been steadily declining and now he's in pace for 60 points.

What difference does a coach make?

6.) 18 Jan 2024 18:19:04
They need some more two way players and more rhd they have 3-4 forwards who are considered defensive players their pk sucks their pp isn’t much better there is some bright spots on this roster but it’s the same every year the blueline is sub par or below average and if the big guys aren’t producing they are not winning but they also take up all the ice time.

7.) 19 Jan 2024 01:46:04
If Keefe is fired then Treliving should be fired as well.
He’s the one who gave Keefe, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi, overpaid Kampf and allowed Schenn and Gustafsson to walk.
Treliving is the brilliant strategist who trade Lafferty for a 5th round pick instead of waiving Reaves.
Treliving’s waste of $20M in cap space condemned Keefe!
Treliving has had 8 months on the job and look at the state of the Leafs.

8.) 19 Jan 2024 12:45:48

So letting two 3rd pair D-men, both in their 30's walk, is a massive issue? Have you not lobbied constantly that the Leafs need to stop signing older guys?

Treliving has made mistakes. Every GM does. He has also made some shrewd signings and moves. Let's say he signed Schenn and Gustafsson like you wanted. That means no Benoit who is basically Schenn but a lot younger and cheaper. Wouldn't Gustafsson have taken our "2nd best defenceman" Liljegren's spot. That is also $3.6M on two 30+ year old D-men. You say Leafs shouldn't go after Tanev because he is 34, but wanted Tree to re-sign Schenn, who is 34.

all of this is revisionist history. You look at guys having good seasons elsewhere and say Tree should have done this or that and since he didn't, he has a list of blunders.

Most that are saying fire Keefe, said the same thing before Treliving got here, so it isn't based off of this year alone.

9.) 19 Jan 2024 15:11:27
But I think WB has a point. Tre did mess up a lot of the pick ups and never improved the D. I don’t think Keefe is the right coach here but I do think Tre hand cuffed him with a worse D than last year and Brodie is pretty much unusable. Keefe was set up to fail this year but he should have adjusted to a more defensive style and running two lines into the ground is not the answer. I really believe Bert and Domi along with a few others would thrive under a new coach. Bert does not like Keefe, he is probably sick of getting yelled at for what Nylander does every shift.

10.) 19 Jan 2024 17:56:08
Clarky. I admitted Tree made mistakes, but not re-signing Schenn for 3X$2.75M and not re-signing Gustavsson was not one of the mistakes.

Klingberg was also signed for the D, but is injured. In the end, no harm no foul as he is out for the season. People seem to forget Klingberg was supposed to be part of it. Brodie was supposed to be better than he has been. Liljegren was supposed to take another step, he hasn't. This is not actually playing like the the D-core that it was envisioned to be.

Let's also not forget the he wasn't allowed to participate in the draft, which also means hard to make a deal at the draft, even if he wanted to, when you can't be there.

He got Matthews to sign for a modest raise, which is looking like a steal. That never gets talked about.

All the good signings he made never gets talked about. Benoit, Lagesson, Jones, Gregor.

He took Sammy to arbitration instead of giving into him for around $5N with term. Waterbuffalo wanted Samsonov re-signed and said why go after Hellebuyck when we have Samsonov.

Let's also not forget he had very little cap space and lots of holes to fill with no assets to use to get good players. Free agency was the only way.

I keep hearing how he should have got his guy or that because people see these guys doing well on other teams and making less than say Bertuzzi. No one knows if they even wanted to come here or would have done well here. It's all speculation.

That is why I said it's revisionist history. Should have because I now see what these other guys are doing and it seems better than what we have.

Dubas was here for years, so I feel he is fair to criticize. Tree has been here a few months under almost impossible circumstances and people want a miracle Stanley Cup contender built. I said in the off-season, I have no idea how we can build a good team with such little cap space and so few assets. People had unrealistic expectations is the problem. That and people flip flopping from what they said in the past and now trying to claim they know better when they said the opposite in the past.

11.) 19 Jan 2024 19:01:00
@RLF yes he made some good minor decisions but anything with any substance not so well. Taking Sammy to arbitration and $100,000 signing bonus to Jones are his highlights (Benoit as well but lucky) . We needed a #1 RHD and got Klingberg. Yes he got injured but Tre did nothing since. Year is now a waste. Willy signing represents everything the True Leaf fans didn’t want to happen. Over signing wingers with no heart and still don’t have depth or D.




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17 May 2024 21:42:26
No such luck on Gallant RLF. I was hoping as well.

I'm still ok with Berube though.


1.) 17 May 2024 22:02:50
The more things I read about Berube, the more I'm liking him.
It seems like he and Tre have the same vision going forward and I can't wait to start our next chapter boys!

2.) 17 May 2024 22:21:08
@Tags agree on that. This team needs a hard nosed guy, that doesn't let them cry on the bench.

I like the hire. I was really worried about McClellan.

3.) 18 May 2024 00:05:02
I don't mind Berube LL. Im glad they at least spoke with Gallant. Similar style of coaching with Bruce. He demands effort, which is what this team needs.

And yes Tags, agreed about starting the new chapter. The Dubas Era is officially closing, finally. I have a lot more confidence in Tree and Berube than Dubas and Keefe.

I said last summer that i felt last season was going to be a transition year for Tree. He would evaluate and the Real changes would start this year. Seems that was the plan. I'm actually excited at the possibility of real change of personnel and the way the Leafs play. I thought we started to see a bit of it last season. Really interested to see what Tree has in store.

4.) 18 May 2024 02:57:29
@RLF one more year I believe. I don't think Mitch agrees to be moved, and JT will sign a team friendly deal going forward.

Transition 2 years as I see it.

5.) 18 May 2024 03:03:49
Bruce should read Berube.

6.) 18 May 2024 11:56:42
LL. If the Leafs tell Marner they can't afford to extend him, he may agree to go. If he won't waive, he may have a monster year as it is a contract year. I would think Leafs would prefer he goes to the west. Nashville, Anaheim should both be somewhat appealing.

7.) 18 May 2024 14:32:48
RLF I think most of us agreed it would be a feeling out year for Tre and then he would start building his team the following summer.
I will say this though, he did try trading for a Zadorov & Tanev package earlier in the season (which definitely shows us his direction), but seemed as if Calgary had no desired to deal with him.
Definitely like the path he's going in by building a bigger, tougher team all around (forwards & defense alike), a team with more 'snot' as his saying goes. lol.
And Berube seems like the perfect hire to follow in this direction. Someone who expects players to play with passion, heart, tenacity and physicality. A team playing a fast and hard forechecking game.

LL Depending on Marner's decision, you may be right with one more transition year ahead of us. Hopefully Marner agrees to a trade, so we can start moving full steam ahead.

8.) 18 May 2024 14:41:18
And Berube demands ACCOUNTABILITY from everyone!

9.) 18 May 2024 14:41:48
If most thought last year was a transition year for Tree, then why were so many complaining about his signings etc all year? lol

I think some could see it, but most wanted instant results (and probably still do) .

10.) 18 May 2024 14:47:50
Maybe I'm exaggerating with most, but I for one liked what he did especially with the time frame he had.

11.) 18 May 2024 20:26:58
@RLF I always liked his signings personally. I wasn't a fan of Klingberg, but it was clearly a transition year as everyone got a 1 year deal.

You can tell what Leafs fans think when you hear the media. Read an article from some nobody with a mock trade of Dobson+1st for Mitch. Media overhyped these guys foe so long they can't stop.

12.) 20 May 2024 20:17:46
Tags/ LL. We three are often not the majority. Lol.



10 May 2024 05:57:04
Not sure if anyone else watched that bruins game, but seeing Pasta sauce up with Tkachuk, get beaten into oblivion, and still be angry about it enough, that he's going after the guy between refs, that means something.

When will we see that from any of these guys? Mo showed it when he got suspended, but it was accidental. His stick just rode up a bit.

Stamkos went at Mathews and he didn't want to fight.

Spezza was fighting to get these guys going.

Gio faught because it needed to happen.

I'm not sure a coach changes the culture. If he does, good on him.




07 May 2024 01:24:27
Everyone around here knows how high I always am on Mo. I have to say, he was really disappointing.

One of the big differences in that Tampa series, was Mo using his exceptional skating to create chances.

As much as we all bash Mitch, I just have to point out, I'm not sure anyone outside of Knies, Domi, Woll, and Bert really looked good.

Benoit, McCabe and to some degree, Boosh on the back end.


1.) 07 May 2024 13:31:34
Rielly didn't look right. He looked slow and not as mobile. Rielly, like the core keeps saying they should stay together when asked. At some point they have to start being more open to change though if they truly want a Cup more than keeping their friendships together.

BTW - Stupid question by that one reporter who kept asking each of them post game if the core should split up. Willy basically told him to F-off and I can't blame Willy. Not the time for that question within minutes after the end of a game 7 OT loss. I like the fire and anger we have been seeing from Willy lately. Will make him a better player I think.

2.) 07 May 2024 14:20:03
@RLF I can't stand the media questions in general.

I think it was last year, when Drais was held pointless for 2 games and they asked (post game), "How do you feel now scoring". They always ask some asinine questions imo, so I mostly avoid listening.

3.) 07 May 2024 16:07:29
LL. Some are just hoping to catch guys ticked off and let their emotions fly so they can say they got him to say that with their question. No, he said that because the question was emotion bating and he was already ticked off from losing.



03 May 2024 02:50:32
Knies is. such a stud. Not many kids his age have the defensive hustle, willingness to take a hit, he's the future of this team.


1.) 03 May 2024 02:58:41
LL. Yes, Knies is getting better and better. All he needed to do is cut down the bad penalties and so far, he's done that.

2.) 03 May 2024 03:12:30
Agreed boys, Knies keeps on getting better and better as the playoffs go on. Great play on the Willy breakaway goal and he's playing with lots of physicality and hustle. Playing a lot smarter and avoiding penalties is a big thing, growing up right infront of our eyes.

3.) 04 May 2024 17:09:08
Marchand will draw him into a punch after the whistle and will. Go down like a rock.

And bites his lip on purpose also to show there is blood

4 minutes to Knies

Watch for it
The Bruins will get the calls
Hidden Memo from peewee commissioner to the Refs.



01 May 2024 06:06:51
Admit when I'm wrong, I didn't want Domi here, but he'd been fantastic. Real playoff performer.

Credit where it's due, if he replaced Marner it would cost a lot less, but be just as valuable.


1.) 01 May 2024 12:22:00
I didn't want him either, but I said a while ago I was wrong and I would be glad to have Max back. See if he will take $15M over 4 or 5 years. He wants to be here and that is important.

2.) 01 May 2024 13:54:26
I too was on the fence with Domi, so glad we have him now.
Hopefully he signs for $3.5/ $3.75 per year.

3.) 01 May 2024 16:15:49
I was okay with Domi.

He’s been decent, tough to play against.

I’d resign him at below $4m for 3 or 4 years as well.

In those discussions I would emphasize three areas for growth: D-play which has improved, stop taking stupid penalties and shoot more!

The commentators were raving about Swayman’s save on his 2 on 1 with Bertuzzi (not the greatest shooter) .

I have to ask the question: did ANYONE believe that Domi would do anything else but pass the puck? Look at his body positioning; he could only do one thing!

4.) 03 May 2024 00:31:59
@Rsears he didn't have his blade positioned for a shot at all, it is harder to fake shot or pass on strong side, but still.




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26 May 2024 05:02:16
@WB I forgot Lilly is Bobby Orr.




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26 May 2024 05:01:51
@WB I am the resident Mo fan. More than anybody I will generally defend Mo. That said, this is still a deal you take as Tre.




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26 May 2024 05:01:02
@WB why would the #6 pick take 3 years to develop? That's high enough you can expect a return within a year or two.




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26 May 2024 02:09:25
I actually like this for the most part.

I believe Utah is being quite short changed, but overall good idea.




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24 May 2024 01:03:11
Don't think so. Troubadour has been great and Laffy broke out.





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26 May 2024 05:00:02
@Goat I'm not sure he is top 5. That's my point. Top 5 players make a difference regardless of position.




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25 May 2024 20:09:42
I think a lot of people confuse puck moving D with D that get points.

Muzzin and Brodie both supported the breakout well, and are gone.

I'd say any top defenceman can help with this, I wouldn't say it needs to be Montour-like.

I'd love to get Theodore.




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25 May 2024 16:07:12
@Rsears I don't dispute Mitch is top 5% though. He is a good player. It's the statement that he's a top 3 winger in the NHL I take issue with.




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24 May 2024 23:16:24
@DM I wasn't summoning you. I meant Jason Robertson.




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24 May 2024 20:40:31
Stop drinking the kool-aid.

Wingers above Mitch include, but are not limited to:


It's a pretty long list.