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24 Nov 2022 14:01:38
2 trades

To TOR: D - L. Schenn

To VAN: F - N. Abruzesse + 2024 5th

Schenn is a depth rental, Vancouver gets a mid range prospect and a pick.

Then

Assuming Muzzin is gone Long Term, which it seems like.

To TOR: D - J. Chychrun + 2024 2nd

To ARZ: D - J. Holl + 2023 1st + D - T. Niemela + 2024 1st + 2025 3rd

With this deal, the Leafs essentially trade down from the 1st and into the 2nd of the 2024 draft, but also give up another 1st and 3rd, plus a high quality prospect.

New Leafs D once healthy

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun Liljegren
Gio Schenn
Sandin Timmins

Some good depth and for now the top pair is out, so everyone slides up

Torontobuds

1.) 24 Nov 2022 19:12:44
I'm onboard with the first trade, adds toughness!

I'm not crazy about the Chychrun deal, I think it's too much for someone who has had one good year and a riddled injury career.

Maybe closer to the deadline I will feel more inclined.


2.) 24 Nov 2022 19:24:53
So Chicago is certainly one team ready to deal but I'm not trading for Kane or Toews, too much money and probably tough to resign.

They are looking for youth and skill and since Leafs will have their hands tied with zero flexibility as we near the trade deadline a multiple player deal today might be what the doctor ordered.

Athanasiou (one year left) and Murphy ($4.4 x 4) for Abruzzese, McMann, SDA, Kerfoot and Engval. Kerfoot and Engval can be resigned and traded in 2023 for other young players or picks.

Chicago can handle the contracts and we drop to 47.


3.) 24 Nov 2022 22:37:43
Way to much for Chychurn
just because they're asking for all that doesnt mean they'll get it.


4.) 25 Nov 2022 01:50:17
Two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and a top prospect for Chychrun, who has an injury history comparable to Petr Mrazek and Matt Murray would not interest me at all.
I am somewhat bewildered by all of the love for Chychrun.
Outside of one above average season, Chychrun has been a “B” level defenseman in his 6 1/ 4 NHL seasons.
I would much prefer Gavrikov from CBJ’s if he was available.


5.) 25 Nov 2022 10:02:49
The second 1st is a trade down to a 2nd, do likely around 15 spots or something, depending on the picks.


6.) 25 Nov 2022 12:59:50
I like the first one. Take out Niemela in the Arz trade and I think it is fair.


 

 

23 Nov 2022 12:47:55
To TOR: D - J. Chychrun + D - C. Timmins + F - N. Bjustad

To ARZ: F - M. Knies + 2023 1st + 2024 1st + F - P. Engvall

Leafs use futures to get 2 D that can play now with all the injuries piling up.

Torontobuds

1.) 23 Nov 2022 15:33:17
So two injury prone dmen and a bottom six forward for two first and a top end prospect and a player…. I don’t think dubas would do this.


2.) 23 Nov 2022 18:31:51
Well we just got Timmins, that's a start.


3.) 24 Nov 2022 00:54:53
Don’t want Chychrun.
Particularly for Matthew Knies plus two 1st round picks.
A big NO to this suggestion!


4.) 24 Nov 2022 10:32:16
As they just got Timmins for far less than I imagined, this trade would change.


 

 

27 Oct 2022 12:54:55
Two trades

To ARZ: D - R. Sandin + F - P. Engvall + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd

To TOR: D - J. Chychrun

Arizona gets a package of a younger D that is signed for 2 years and still a RFA. They also get a 1st and 2nd and a player on an expiring contract

Trade 2

To NJD: 2024 1st + F - R. Hirvonen + D - J. Holl + F - T. Voit

To TOR: D - D. Severson

New D

Rielly Brodie
Chychrun Severson
Gio Liljegren

Torontobuds

1.) 27 Oct 2022 18:37:29
I wish!


2.) 28 Oct 2022 00:30:10
Chychrun is chronically injured.
Hasn’t played since March 12th.
Is currently week to week while recovering from two separate injuries.
Chychrun has had surgery on both knees, his shoulder and his wrist.
Has never played more than 68 games in a season.
In his 6 seasons in the NHL (82 x 6 = 492 games) Chychrun has managed to suit up for 337 games.
Roughly 68.5% of the teams total.
Chychrun is left handed, Leafs need another RHD to move Holl back to #7.

Trading for Chychrun would be another Dubas error in judgment in a long list of mistakes.


3.) 28 Oct 2022 12:45:12
The injury history is definitely not good, maybe the package becomes lighter due to that.


4.) 28 Oct 2022 18:21:28
He is still injured and not able to play, correct? Not exactly what we need right now. Especially given his history of injuries.


 

 

20 Oct 2022 19:16:36
Similar to the Hagel trade last season, a trade for Chychrun

To TOR: D - J. Chychrun

To ARZ: F - R. Hirvonen + D - W. Villeneuve + 2023 1st + 2024 2nd

Torontobuds

1.) 20 Oct 2022 23:53:25
We need to move out at least 4.6 million to make this trade work.


2.) 21 Oct 2022 12:29:28
I guess depends on how long Muzzin is out on IR.


3.) 21 Oct 2022 12:57:34
Also depends on whether Arizona is willing to take a little less for Chychrun than Chicago got for Hagel.


4.) 22 Oct 2022 02:18:59
Yeah 4.6 tough

Sandin and Engvall 3.65 is a start

Would Arizona retain 1.7 (difference in salaries plus .75 since it’s 2 for 1)

This would be cap in cap out once u factor in the salaries of players added or subtracted from roster due to 2 for 1 roster player deal

What’s chycrun worth
In arizonas head a young nhl D to replace his roster spot. 1 A level prospect 1 B level prospect and a 1st rounder

What’s 3 X 1.7 cap retain worth. That’s 5.1 total so that’s a 1st rounder

So Sandin is young nhl dman
Engvall replaces b level prospect kind of
They’d want Knies
2023 1st

Arizona might way and gamble with the 2025 or 26 1st instead of l2024 due to chance team starts to decline for these drafts

That’s quite the pseudo trade cause in reality Toronto doesn’t have cap or assets to make Arizona bite

Demon out.


 

 

07 Oct 2022 12:54:53
Severson is on his final year, and the Devils just drafted 2nd overall a RHD

To TOR: D - D. Severson

To NJD: F - P. Engvall + D - J. Holl + F - R. Hirvonen

Torontobuds

1.) 07 Oct 2022 14:14:36
Severson would be my number one target if I'm Dubas. He's a top 4 RHD on an expiring deal. Perfect.

That said, you might as well just call the Devil's and beg for a favour. You sent them a RHD on an expiring deal in exchange, a rental bottom 6 forward and a C prospect. Why on earth would they ever, ever agree?


2.) 07 Oct 2022 15:43:04
Probably looking at Holl, Nimiela and a high pick, IMO.


3.) 07 Oct 2022 16:02:59
They will likely get a 1st+ even at the TDL if they are out of the playoff race, so I doubt NJ would except a lot less like this deal suggests for a team to get a full season of Severson.


4.) 07 Oct 2022 19:56:41
Ok yes, package a bit light. I do feel Engvall is a bit better, but also this made the money work.

Adding in a pick makes sense, maybe a 1st from Toronto with a 3rd returning and LHD prospect, Devils already have a better RHD prospect.


5.) 07 Oct 2022 22:40:17
@T-buds. I think Leafs add a 1st and nothing else comes back. I'm not even sure that would do it.


6.) 08 Oct 2022 04:11:18
@Tbuds The market is pretty definitive for rental D. It's a prospect+1st+maybe more depending on the player.

Engvall and Holl are cal dumps that nobody wants. Holl is worth maybe a 4th and Engvall a 3rd. Hiroven is probably worth a late pick.

This deal would look more like;

Leafs 1st+Topi/ Robertson

Devils Severson

Adding in cap dumps to become compliment.


7.) 09 Oct 2022 00:24:43
Jersey needs a guy to play with Hamilton or signing him was a waste. Graves is good but not top pairing good. Not now or in the future.
Graves is perfect for Marino. That’s a 2nd pairing now and once Luke Hughes and Nemec develop and take over 2nd pair together and eventually top pair Marino and graves will be dealt or one heck of a 3rd line 2-4 years from now. As for Nemec he is ready for 3rd pairing now and with seigenhager, okhotiuk and Dahl battlin to join him this year but moving forward all 3 are 7th d. Mukhamadulin is a wild card he could be a top 4 dman but he could also be a 7th d if he ever even comes to North America.

So once u add it all up there is Noobe ready now to play with Hamilton and by the time there is someone ready Hamilton won’t be a top dman on this team. So solution find him a left dman

Enter chycrun
Perfect partner age contract and talent wise to compliment Hamilton now and in future until Hughes and Nemec take over.

So how do u get as jersey Cant just take on 4.6 cap hit. They could trade severson and his 4.16 cap and throw in 3 prospects and a pick but why would Arizona want severson and at 5.1 salary when chycrun is only 4. million salary this year yeah Arizona won’t do that

Solution well Johnson has a 3.4 cap bug .75 salary hit this year. If jersey retains half of severson cap/ salary along with Johnson’s .75 Arizona only takes on 3.3 salary total which is less than the 4 they owe chycrun while jersey saves 1.35 - whatever forward between Foote/ zetterlund/ holtz that replaces johnsson. That’s .60 in cap savings to upgrade the LHD big time

Jersey throws in mukhamadulin since where and when will he come. Pretty quick now that he isn’t behind so many. Throw in whichever Arizona chooses between Foote and zetterlund as holtz is off limits. Add in a 2nd rounder in 2023 and I think Arizona bites

Now Arizona has severson to unload and even better at half price. Severson full price was a 1st and prospect. What’s ge worth to team needing the savings to be under the cap.

Arizona is paying 2.55 salary so give then Engvall at 2.25.salary. and no’s Arizona saves 30 more grand. Best part of that is severson cap hit vs Engvall saves the leafs .084 in cap. That was the easy solution but now leafs owe Arizona the 1st and prospect.

Is Sandin worth close to thst? If not just give Arizona the conditional 3rd in 2023 which is arizonas condition anyways so instead of Arizona choosing between the leafs 2nd in 202 ( or the leafs 3rd in 2023 in that Ritchie deal now this deal just gives them both and be done not waiting on them to choose

So in closing

To Arizona
Johnsson
Engval
Sandin
Foote
Mukhamadulin
Jersey 2023 2nd
Leafs 2023 3rd

To jersey
Chycrun

To leafs
Severson (59% retain jersey)

Leafs and devils save on cap
Arizona saved on salary
Arizona gains 3 former 1st rounders all under 22 while gaining 2 middle 6 forwards who both could crack 2nd line time since after Keller schmaltz and crouse, hayton has a bunch of 3rd/ 4th liners to play with so at least these 2 gives them more crappy options improving the team on the bottom end anyways

Well that’s my idea and I’m stuck in to it

Wow such a bad feeling 8-1 and now done
2013 leafs 1& wheeler all over again. Yeah I said it again

Blah.


8.) 10 Oct 2022 01:49:38
Engvall (26) ($2.25) & Sandin (22) ($1.4) for Severson (28) ($4.1666)?

Severson isn’t that much of an upgrade over Holl for twice as much money, on the last year of his contract, after which he will expect a raise.
For his NHL career Severson is a -129.


9.) 11 Oct 2022 12:24:42
OEL is around -120 for his career. Dahlin's 4 seasons so far he is -78. For NJ, Hamilton was a -19 in only 60 games last year while Severson was a -14 in 80 games. Graves a -9 in 70 games. Without context, +/ -, like any other stat for that matter, is pretty useless.


 

 

 

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10 Jun 2019 12:43:48
Does the Skinner deal impact Marner's contract?

Skinner just scored 40 goals on a very poor team, and has scored 30+ goals 4 times in his career. He also was a pending UFA

My thoughts are no team is dumb enough to sign Marner to an offer sheet paying him north of $10.5M as no one will pay 4 1st's for a winger, I like Marner but he's not McDavid, sorry

So when looking at a contract, $10.5 is the max I would go with him on an 8 year deal. Ideally the Leafs want $9M on an 8 year deal, but that is not going to happen.

Can a 7 year 9.75M deal work? Slice off 1 year of UFA and meet half way?

Torontobuds

1.) 14 Jun 2019 20:59:33
The Skinner deal impacts every contract. I would assume it gives Marner a lot more leverage. Marner is arguably the better player. Scores less goals, but has been instrumental in leading the play for the Leafs. Both are top line wingers and among the top offensive points leaders on their teams. The comparison is apt, and though it doesn’t give Marner any leverage to ask for more money, it does strengthen his case for what he has been asking.


 

 

20 Oct 2018 14:31:23
Does Tuch's new deal out of his ELC at $4,75MM for 7 years improve the contract offer talks for the Leafs with Nylander.

I understand he's not as good as Nylander, but also lower than what the Leafs are offering

last year
Nylander 20G, 41A, 61 Pts

Tuch 15G, 22A, 37 Pts

Leafs offer is around $6M - $6.5M on a LT deal

Also hearing a 4 year offer around $4.75M AAV

I would say the Leafs are bang on with their offers using this as a gauge!

Torontobuds

1.) 21 Oct 2018 02:07:14
I think Tuch is going to be for Vegas what Lucic was for Edmonton.


 

 

09 Jun 2018 16:01:24
Looking towards the draft, the Leafs need to start to upgrade the depth at the C position. After looking at some mocks, here are two quality C to draft 1st and 2nd

1st - C - R. McLeod
2nd - C - J. McBain

Two young big bodied Centres who the Leafs can develop

The other need is at RHD, but I feel with Lilijegren in the pipe and they should be looking for a NHL ready RHD so the draft is not ideal unless they trade up for D - E. Bouchard

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27 Feb 2018 02:48:51
Looking towards the off-season,what do contracts look like for the big 3

Using Eichel and McDavid and sandwich for Matthews I come to the following:

A. Matthews 8 years $88M, ($11M AAV)

For both Marner and Nylander who I say are valued the same, I use Ehlers and Pastrnak to sandwich their deals.

M. Marner 7 years 45.5M ($6.5M AAV)
W. Nylander 7 years $45.5M ($6.5M AAV)

Thoughts?

Torontobuds

1.) 28 Feb 2018 01:31:57
the amount of years for marner should be 8 years and nylander should take 5.5M at 7 years.


 

 

22 Feb 2018 13:31:16
As his name keeps popping up, what's a reasonable package for the currently injured Tanev

To VAN: F - Rychel + D - Nielsen + 2018 2nd round pick

To TOR: D - C. Tanev

Thoughts?

Torontobuds

1.) 25 Feb 2018 08:59:15
Replace Neilsen with another player. Maybe Rosen. Neilsen is a tough LHD who can fight and score. He just needs more time in the AHL.


 

 

 

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25 Nov 2022 10:02:49
The second 1st is a trade down to a 2nd, do likely around 15 spots or something, depending on the picks.

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24 Nov 2022 10:32:16
As they just got Timmins for far less than I imagined, this trade would change.

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24 Nov 2022 10:31:01
I like the acquisition of Schenn.

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12 Nov 2022 19:04:15
Sorry, but the fact Pitt is benching him makes his value low.

To TOR: F - K. Kapanen (25% retained)

To PIT: F - P. Engvall

The 25% retention makes Kapanen a $2.4M player, but the Leafs are also on the hook next season for that too.

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28 Oct 2022 12:45:12
The injury history is definitely not good, maybe the package becomes lighter due to that.

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