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16 Oct 2020 22:54:58
To TOR: D - M. Weegar + F - O. Tippett

To FLA: D - T. Dermott + F - I. Mikheyev

The swap of Dermott for Weegar is swapping hands of RFA D. Weegar is a bit better than Dermott IMO, so the Leafs send Mikheyev for Tippett who where Mikheyev is the better player.

Torontobuds

1.) 17 Oct 2020 00:42:50
That 2017 draft is starting to look like a bust draft. Outside of 3-4-5 being the stars franchise players. Only 7 others have made their teams regularly but only as 3rd liners or bottom d pairing guys. The rest are having solid AHL seasons but haven’t made a dip on their teams GM or coaches radar. What’s going on?

Tippett at 10 is one of those guys. #17 is doing the same for leafs

Add Liljegren in this deal and Florida just might.


2.) 17 Oct 2020 03:02:22
I'm not sold on your assessment of Tippett vs Mikheyev.


3.) 17 Oct 2020 03:19:10
So FLA is trying to reduce salary. Why trade an ELC prospect. They could move Weegar for Dermott and a pick/ B prospect if Leafs are still interested. So why would they take on about the same salary they would have to pay Weegar to keep him. FLA has no reason to make this trade. They could just keep Tippett and sign a UFA if needed while moving Weegar somewhere else.


4.) 17 Oct 2020 13:50:14
Mikheyev had a solid rookie season putting up 23 pts in 39games before getting injured. As Mikheyev elected to take the Leafs to arbitration, the Leafs will almost certainly take a 2 year deal as his contract is likely to come in just over $1M.

Weegar will be the highest paid in this bunch and Tippett has not made the NHL yet only playing 7 games registering 1 goal.

Florida gets 2 NHL players for 1 NHL player and a prospect. The cost of both Mikheyev and Dermott is likely the same as what Weegar will make. Weegar is likely to make $2M - $2.5M on his next deal.


5.) 17 Oct 2020 15:38:32
If Weegar could be had for 2-2.5, I think FLA signs him, as that is only a $400-$800,000 raise for a guy who plays in the top 4. Tippett is only 21 and just put up a point a game pretty much in the AHL. If you look at comparable, Mikheyev is likely to be awarded more than 1M. I would expect Tippett to get a shot on the big club this year as they are cutting payroll and an ELC player is exactly what they are looking for.


6.) 17 Oct 2020 19:46:08
Trade Holl + Mikheyev + Engvall + 4th

for

Weegar + Tippet

Save Dermott + Andersen traded for Korpisalo + Foudy

Sign Weegar for 3 x 3.25 MM

Hyman Matthew Nylander 20.75
Robertson Tavares Marner 22.7
Vesey Kerfoot Barabanov 5.25
Simmonds Thornton Spezza 2.9
51.6
Rielly Brodie 10.
Muzzin Weegar 8.9
Lehtonen Bogosian 1.9
20.8
Korpisalo
Campbell
Kessel 5.625
Total $78.025.


 

 

14 Oct 2020 22:52:37
To CAL: C - A. Kerfoot

To TOR: C - S. Bennett

Bennett has never really taken off in Calgary. He will be an RFA after this year. Make this deal as this gives Calgary some cost certainty on Kerfoot. The Leafs may have to pay more, depending on how well he does. Bennett is making $2.55M this year.

This gives the Leafs almost another $1M in cap space

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13 Oct 2020 13:30:53
With the Leafs recent signings and Lehtonen taking off overseas, here is my D rankings

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogosian
Lehtonen

Sandin Liligren
Rosen

As Sandin has been pushed down, I feel his value will only get worse. I put up a trade proposal to send him to LA

To LAK: D - R. Sandin

To TOR: C - G. Vilardi

The Leafs do need C depth and LA is loaded with 4 or 5 quality C prospects

The Leafs can also swap out another C for some prospect D depth

To VGN: C - S. D-A

To TOR: D - K. Korczak

Torontobuds

1.) 13 Oct 2020 14:52:04
Sandin is 19. Prospects who aren't too 4 players as teenagers don't have their value drop immediately. That's insane.


2.) 13 Oct 2020 15:48:11
I understand that. What I mean is I feel Sandin has tremendous value right now. However, the lack of playing time and could hinder his value. Trading him for a quality C prospect in the event the Leafs need to trade Kerfoot I think is a solid move.

I'll keep in mind, this is contingent on the Leafs keeping Dermott around. If they trade Dermott then I would not necessarily do the deal. The LHD position just seems a bit crowded right now.


3.) 14 Oct 2020 00:29:41
Funny how 5 days ago he was 5th best dman lol

Depth is good but not for him

Can’t become good if you stay in ahl

Hughes Makar no AHL time to get bad habits

I agree deal him before he becomes less valued.
His value is still high until leafs decide to not use hm over and over.

Good idea unless Sandin is top 6 then bad idea.


 

 

11 Oct 2020 13:20:47
The Kings are now loaded with C depth in their prospects with in my ranking Byfield, Turcotte, Vilardi, Thomas and L. Andersen.

They do not have much quality depth on D

As the Leafs have Rielly and Muzzin locking up the top two pairs on LHD. The Leafs could swap Sandin for a quality C

To LAK: D - R. Sandin

To TOR: C - G. Vilardi

Vilardi could replace Kerfoot next year and potentially Tavares in a few years.

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1.) 11 Oct 2020 16:02:22
I really like your thinking. Vilarde I’ve liked since he was 16. In 2017 was really hopin he would fall to 17 due to injuries. He didn’t (11) so instead leafs took Liljegren. If anyone remembers at beginning of 2016 season Patrick Vilarde and Glass were top NA born ranked skaters while Hischier (playing in Qmhhl) Liljegren and Kostin were top 3 European born ranked skaters.

Patrick was the can't miss next Matthews until injuries took over his 2016-17 (draft year) . Then Vilarde replaces Patrick before christnas as best NA player. He got snubbed by Canada at that years world jrs (wasn’t even invited to camp) so took it personally and got 3 straight hat tricks with Windsor while the jrs were going on. 4games 13 g 3 assists. Mostly against depleted rosters but never the less. Then he gets hurt in late January but did back in time for playoffs only to Lose to London in round 1 in 7 games. He had 6 points but was physically outmatches by his pesky shadows max jones and jj piccinich (remember him lol) so at draft time his stock fell so I was really hoping he’d be available. Didn’t happen

What a weird draft that was. Jersey won lottery over Colorado and Somehow the tad smaller but quicker player with similar stats and 7gane Q playoff 1st round Loser became the guaranteed #1 pick. I disagree with this but never less Hischier went 1. Philly jumping up from 10 spots were able to take risky injury pick in Patrick.

Dallas going from 8 to 3 they took top European skater in Miro heiskanen with pick. Colorado coming off .500 season in 2015-16 were everyone’s breakout team for the 2016-17 year while they all said leafs would be improved but not by enough as their young guys will have to learn game at nhl level so enjoy the watch but still worst predicted team for that season. Every analyst should of got fired for that very very wrong guess. Instead the 2 teams did exactly what analyst predicted just switch the 2 names.

Colorado expecting to take a D after not winning the lottery even though they only had 48 pts (21 behind devils) and with Sakics connection to his dad Cal Foote was going to be picked. Wrong again stupid analysts. Colorado surprised everyone and took Brooks Bandit 75pt in 54game speedy but tiny 5’8 154 pound at time of draft UMass Amherst commited RHD Cale Makar. The kid wasn’t even on anyone’s 1st round board. Much like their season this pick was at the time a major disappointment. Sakic was put on the hot seat. In the end the bad year and pick all ended up being a god send as look at them now lol .

Vancouver went from 3 to 5 and took Elias Patterson. Another shocker. Some analysts actually asked who this kid was. Again who hires these so called hockey genius analysts. Vancouver definitely saw something in this Swede and were right.

Vegas #6 expansion spot took Glass (was considered the drafts safe pick in top 10)
Rangers #7 went off the board like Vancouver did and took fellow Swede lias Anderson. Striking out and dealing him this draft for next years 2nd rounder with LA.
Buffalo at #8 took highly touted top US born in this draft in Casey middlestadt. Again who comes up with these rankings? Top US guy my butt
Detroit went with size and took Surrey BC 6’6 giant center Michael Rasmussen (surprises Vancouver didn’t try to get him from Detroit for Virtanen but whatever)
Florida took Tippet next. Solid pick at that time.
LA took Vilarde So turned my focus to hoping for Liljegren
Carolina took top European forward Necas
Vegas went a bit off board and took late 1st round ranked pesky but skilled Branden gallagher clone in Suzuki. Funny how Vegas sent him to Montreal 2 years later. Suzuki looks better than glass right now but Montreal insisted on Suzuki when Vegas insisted on sending glass. Vegas caved as they wanted Paciorotty that bad so Montreal got who they wanted.
Tampa missin our of playoffs with 94 points I believe took Foote.
Vegas then took rated 3rd best European D skater in draft in Erik brannstrom. Thought Liljegren was gone on this pick. They didn’t and dealt this prospect in the mark stone package.
Calgary I was sure would pick Liljegren. Knowing a lot of their D were up for free Amgen you in 2020 this would be great time to pick and develop a D to be ready by then. I was right a D did go but Jussi Valimaki. Who? Exactly. Not even ranked in top 50. Ok
Then Toronto fingers crossed. YES Timothy Liljegren. Once projected top 10 even as high as 5 at one point. Steal of draft. I was pumped. Didn’t get Vilarde but perfect B option at that time in my mind. In the end I may be wrong about Liljegren but after him in this draft D wise jokiiharju, hague (2nd round) lindstron (2nd), ferrero (2nd) fleury (3rd) Aho (5th) have played more games.

Safe to say 3 of those guys are due to teams they are on and Lilly would be full time nhler if in those teams easily.

Hague finally got shot 38 games with Vegas this season The 6’6 D is Vegas steroid blood through and through.
Aho got his shot on the island of New York for 22 games but in the 2017-18 year as Injuries were a problem for the islanders that year. He’s like 10th in depth chart for them.

Ferraro on the Sharks may very well be the steal of round 2. Makar being steal of the draft and Ferraro coincidentally being his college D partner. Gee how that works out lol

So since leafs were taking a D after 4 straight drafts of taking a F in round 1 Lilly in end in this spot was a good pick.

Sure Thomas and frost would of been nice but D was getting pick.

Anyways Vilarde was hurt at start of final year of ohl with Kingston . He came back on a mission to make team canada jrs at start of December. He had hot December getting 9g 18a in 9 games. Got invited to camp and took weird spill in corner with American born but dual citizen because of dad Cal Foote. Vilarde took worse of it and shoulder injury day-day. Canada still wanted him on team as he would be fine by game 3 but in end became final roster cut due to Kingston not clearing him. Poor guy. Patrick and Vilarde never got world jr experience due to injuries.

Vilarde played rest of year for Kingston showing his offensive gift. 58 pts in 32 games and 22 points in playoffs.
Only to lose to Robert Thomas lead eventual winning ohl Hamilton team.

After his jr career was done he got 4 games in with Ontario reign after season ending surgery.
He played 32 AHL games in 19-20 got 25pts in 32 games. Got hurt again around game 27. Came back looked great so LA called him up. Got 7 pts in 10 games then C.V. happened.

Talent is there but will he ever have a full season. Hasn’t happened since 2015-16 season at age 16.

Would L. A. be willing to part ways for Sandin? I bet they would and for very reasons you gave as la has so many young C and lack of young D.

Dubas though might not as he loves Sandin. His first NHL pick since being GM and last Import pick as OHL GM. He has a soft spot for Sandin.

Kerfoot will be a leaf as long as Dubas is. As the Harvard youngsters start to make their way into Toronto’s training camp kerfoot will be their to mentor them.

Great deal wrong circumstance.

Dubas doesn’t care for Liljegren since 2017 wasn’t his draft or player.

My counter
Dermott and Liljegren for Vilarde

In end Rielly Andersen Hyman Matthews marner and nylander will be only be non Dubas players left on this team

Kappy gone
Johnsson gone
Goat gone
Kadri gone
Marleau gone
Bozak gone
JVR gone
Gardiner gone
Brown gone
Zautsev gone
Leo gone
Hainsey gone
Moore gone
Carrick gone
Borgman gone
Soshnikov gone
Mcelhinney gone
Pickard gone
Rosen gone but somehow back again
Sparks gone
Bracco gone
All but Liljegren, rasanen (kind of) Scott, Kara and mcgregor 2017 draft gone
All but chebykin, Brooks, greenway, Woll, Korshkov and Matthews 2016 gone
All but Dermott marner 2015 draft gone
All but engvall and nylander 2014 gone
All 2013 draft gone
Only Rielly remains from 2012 and beyond

Writing is on the wall
Holl
Marincin
Liljegren
Engvall
Dermott
Brooks
Woll
Scott

Possibly Rielly and Andersen but doughtful

Again very long but hope at least 1 person liked it

LOL.


2.) 11 Oct 2020 18:03:21
Meant McConnell not McGregor left from 2017 draft. amcGregor is gone lol.


 

 

10 Oct 2020 19:40:15
To FLA: D - T. Dermott

To TOR: D - M. Weegar

Straight up swap of LHD for RHD. Both are RFAs

Torontobuds

1.) 10 Oct 2020 21:02:21
Could be fair Dermott is younger however weeger played top line minutes with ekblad.


2.) 10 Oct 2020 21:50:39
If we're moving Dermott, I would love it to be for Weegar.


3.) 10 Oct 2020 23:18:15
Weeger is a lhd but could see the leafs making a play on him but would love to try and get Hamonic on the cheap one year deal.


 

 

 

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24 Oct 2020 00:30:28
I'm sorry but absolutely not from the Leafs. TB is going to have to pay big time to rid themselves of Johnson. The Leafs were forced to pay a 1st to get rid of Marleau.

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17 Oct 2020 13:50:14
Mikheyev had a solid rookie season putting up 23 pts in 39games before getting injured. As Mikheyev elected to take the Leafs to arbitration, the Leafs will almost certainly take a 2 year deal as his contract is likely to come in just over $1M.

Weegar will be the highest paid in this bunch and Tippett has not made the NHL yet only playing 7 games registering 1 goal.

Florida gets 2 NHL players for 1 NHL player and a prospect. The cost of both Mikheyev and Dermott is likely the same as what Weegar will make. Weegar is likely to make $2M - $2.5M on his next deal.

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17 Oct 2020 13:44:21
No way Chicago does this.

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17 Oct 2020 13:43:57
I do like both targets. However, with Patrick accepting his QO, I do expect Philly to give him this year to improve but could be a trade deadline target.

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17 Oct 2020 13:41:56
This deal does not make the Leafs better. Schmidt is a natural LD and would be buried behind both Rielly and Muzzin. Nylander is also the best player in this trade.

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