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02 Mar 2024 14:12:51
A swap of players and terms with Arizona

To TOR: D - M. Dumba (50% retained) + F - L. Crouse + C - N. Bjugstad (50% retained)

To ARZ: 2024 1st + C - D. Kampf + F - C. Jarnkrok + F - N. Robertson + D - T. Niemela

Cap in Dumba $1.8, Crouse $4.2, Bjugstad $1.05

Total cap in $7.05M

Cap out Kampf $2.4, Jarnkrok $2.1, Robertson 800K

Total cap out $5.3M

Leafs have some cap space left already

New line up

Knies Matthews Marner
Crouse Tavares Nylander
Bertuzzi Bjusgstad Domi
McMann Homburg Gregor

Rielly Dumba
Brodie Liljegren
McCabe Lyubushkin
Benoit Timmins

Leafs deal their 1st but get to keep their top 2 prospects

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1.) 02 Mar 2024 16:42:39
Use a 4th to Seattle for an extra 925k retention on Dumba.


2.) 03 Mar 2024 00:30:40
Don’t want Dumba who is a team worst -14 and has reportedly been one of the weakest defenders on the Coyotes this season.
Crouse would be a great fit on the 1st line with Matthews and Marner allowing Knies to slide down to the 2nd line and Bertuzzi to join Tavares and Jarnkrok on the 3rd line.


 

 

27 Feb 2024 12:40:36
It'd said Treliving wants to add a player with term if he trades a 1st, so here we go.

To TOR: F - L. Crouse + D - M. Dumba (50% retained)

Total cap in $4.3 + $1.9 = $6.2M

To ARZ: 2024 1st + F - N. Robertson + D - T. Niemela

Not sure if the Leafs can make the cap work, but basically you replace Robertson with Crouse and add Dumba to pair on the Right side

Knies Matthews Marner
Crouse Tavares Nylander
Bertuzzi Domi Jarnkrok
McMann Kampf Homburg

Rielly Dumba
Brodie Liljegren
McCabe Timmins
Gio

Torontobuds

1.) 27 Feb 2024 13:06:03
Timmins lol wheres Benoit.


2.) 27 Feb 2024 13:12:39
I think it's too light from the Leafs. I think that offer may get Crouse, but I don't think it also gets Dumba at 50%.
Crouse is a rare bread. A 20+ goal big man that penalty kills, PP's and gets 75% of his points at even strength without getting sheltered minutes. He hits, he fights etc. He is going to cost big.


3.) 27 Feb 2024 13:33:16
No way the cap works out. Timmins and Kamph would have to go back as well…. Even then they fall short.


4.) 27 Feb 2024 13:53:29
Other picks, prospects and maybe roster players have to go to make the money work.


5.) 28 Feb 2024 03:41:47
I would much prefer Brown to Dumba who is currently a -14, worst on his team and definitely not the type of player to pair with Morgan Reilly who requires a strong, solid, RHdefender to bring out his best.


6.) 28 Feb 2024 13:35:25
WB49.

You must hate for example;
Burroughs -28
Ferraro -23
Murphy -21
L. Hughes -18
Chychrun -16
Sergachev -16
Sanheim -14
Rutta -13
Lyubushkin -13
Provorov -12
etc etc.


 

 

25 Feb 2024 12:52:38
Throwing this back up, as Samsonov has been solid since his recall from the Marlies, RHD is still the priority. My two targets are either Weegar or Parayko. Both are signed LT and not rentals.

To CAL: 2024 1st + F - F. Minten + D - T. Niemela + F - D. Kampf

To TOR: D - M. Weegar

Or

To STL: 2024 1st + D - T. Niemela + F - D. Kampf

To TOR: D - C. Parayko + 2025 3rd

Weegar is clearly better, thus the payment is higher.

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1.) 25 Feb 2024 13:25:29
I would love to have Weegar. Our missing piece. I just don’t think Cgy will trade him. Good offer but might even cost more because he has so much term left.


2.) 25 Feb 2024 13:33:42
Wanted Weegar for years. I remember discussing him on here with Craigger on how much we liked him when people kept saying that it was Ekblad making him look good. Weegar proved a lot of people wrong.

Perfect fit. I agree, price will be high and this is a good offer. I'm just not sure if Calgary has any interest in moving Weegar or Andersson.


3.) 25 Feb 2024 14:37:43
I guess in my opinion, trading for Hanifin, while good, is not the answer. However, if Calgary is trying to to a bit of a rebuild on the fly, getting a package like this is good.


4.) 25 Feb 2024 15:11:11
T-buds. Maybe they are in a rebuild. Personally, I think they plan on getting assets and building around some of the guys they still have, like Weegar and Andersson. They are expected to have about $23M in cap space this summer with most of the current forward group signed through next season. I think they will look to re-sign Kylington and add from there.


5.) 26 Feb 2024 03:48:40
Parayko is 31 years old and signed for 6 more years at $6M per season.
I would be beyond disappointed to see the Leafs get tied up in a commitment to him until he is age 37.
The two or possibly 3 more good years we might get out of him does not offset the 3 or 4 years of diminishing return we are guaranteed to see .

Weegar would be a great fit, but with Calgary having already traded Zadorov and in all likelihood about to trade Hanifin and Tanev, I would think the last thing they would be thinking of doing is trading another defenseman.


 

 

12 Feb 2024 12:24:37
To TOR: D - M. Weegar

To CAL: D - T. Niemela + 2024 1st + D - TJ. Brodie

And

To TOR: D - M. Ferraro

To SAN: F - N. Robertson

And

To TOR: F - L. Crouse

To ARZ: F - T. Bertuzzi + F - T. Voit

New lineup

Knies Matthews Marner
Crouse Tavares Nylander
Homburg Domi Jarnkrok
McMann Kampf Gregor

New D

Rielly Weegar
Ferraro Liljegren
McCabe Timmins

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1.) 12 Feb 2024 12:57:00
Despite not wanting to trade Robertson or relinquishing #1 pick all trades would be very nice!


2.) 12 Feb 2024 13:06:38
Calgary looks to be re-tooling over rebuilding, so I don't think they move Weegar or Andersson, although I would like eiher.
2nd trade could draw interst from both teams.
I can't imagine that Arizona would make that deal for Crouse.


3.) 12 Feb 2024 13:52:25
Leafs add a fair bit in all the trades. Weegar has lots of term left. Add Minten or Cowan and another 1st. I know we like Robertson but he is not the same value as Ferraro. Not really even close. IMO there is no spot for Robertson on this roster come playoff time. And again Crouse has like 3 years left on his deal after this one while Bertuzzi is a UFA at the end of the season.


4.) 12 Feb 2024 14:52:05
Seems most still hell-bent to give up futures despite most believing this year’s chances being poor.
Having trouble reconciling this contradiction.


5.) 12 Feb 2024 21:28:03
@Rsears it makes a big difference if the player has term left or if he is a rental. Weegar l, Ferraro and Crouse all have term left which is why it would cost a lot more than what Tbuds is offering.


6.) 12 Feb 2024 21:36:47
No way you get Crouse for that.


7.) 13 Feb 2024 00:49:34
I like all of the targets but the trades are a little light on the Leafs end I am afraid.

Crouse would instantly fix the 1st line, LW problem but the expiring contract of 6 goal Bertuzzi and a ‘B’ prospect is not going to get Crouse who has already scored 20 goals this season.

Ferraro, a good, physical D-man, could play top 4 on the left side of Leafs defense but I don’t think Robertson is enough to tweak the Sharks interest.

I’m not sure Calgary is at all interested in trading Weegar but if they are a late 1st and a ‘A-/ B+’ prospect isn’t going to get it done.


 

 

10 Feb 2024 14:15:15
Chicago is in a full rebuild with Bedard and likely another top 3 pick.

To TOR: D - S. Jones ($2M retained per year)

To CHI: F - F. Minten + 2024 1st

Chicago moves on from Jones who is now 29, picks up a solid prospect and 1st

Torontobuds

1.) 10 Feb 2024 15:10:25
That's 7 years of retention T-buds. Can't see Chicago agreeing to that.


2.) 10 Feb 2024 16:46:00
Leafs ate 8 years of Kessel's $1M, so it's not like it's never been done before.


3.) 10 Feb 2024 17:42:24
No chance they retain for that long but trade him for Nylander in the off season along with another depth piece from Chi and we’re laughing.


4.) 10 Feb 2024 18:07:03
Big difference between 1 million a year for 8 years and 7 million.


5.) 10 Feb 2024 22:07:01
@CKPS who is retaining 7m?


6.) 10 Feb 2024 22:10:29
Didn’t Leafs retain $1.2 for close to 6 years?
Think Tbuds asking Chi to retain $2m for 7.
Likely not what Chi wants to do.
Jones at $7.5m is too rich for me and not wanting to lose Minten and the 1st.


7.) 11 Feb 2024 02:45:55
Jones does not justify the expenditure.
I would rather offer Minten and the 1st to Seattle for Adam Larsson.


 

 

 

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09 Mar 2024 12:55:59
Trade deadline past, nothing crazy happened, not surprising. Not much to work with.

Off season, while nearly $7M is added from the Matthews and Nylander extensions, a lot of money falls off the books. Cap is rising $4.2M, so need to find $3M.

All the LTIR contracts are gone. Plus Bertuzzi $5.5M, Domi $3M, Brodie $5M, Samsonov $3.5M.

All other contracts are either close or near league minimum, so no need to list.

Re-sign Samsonov, but at a lower value than $3.5M, likely $2M to see it he can bring it together for a full year.

Bertuzzi, let walk, as that $5.5 unless he wants to come back for $4M.

Re-sign Domi, give him a 3 year at $2.5M

See if Brodie wants to come back at a significant discount or re-sign Edmundson, see who is better in the playoffs

Trade

To TOR: D - C. Parayko (14% retained) cap hit is $5.6M

To STL: 2024 1st + F - D. Kampf + F - A. Steeves

See how the team does in the playoffs and possibly look at this in the off-season.

Torontobuds

1.) 09 Mar 2024 13:33:58
Interesting ideas, deserving much discussion.

First the in/ out has rounding errors so it’s only $2m that’s needed.

Not sure that Samsonov would resign in Toronto when other teams who are in need of a goalie could easily offer more.

LAK need two goalies next year; both Talbot and Rittich are UFAs. Let’s trade rights to Samsonov AND Jones to LAK for right to Matt Roy! LAK also have cap issues so this advance their cause getting 2 goalies whose combined salaries might be less than Roy’s new salary.

LAK have Brandt Clarke waiting to take Roy’s place and we get a solid 2-way RD to play with Reilly (if we resign him using Brodie’s money) .

I might have interest in resigning Domi at $2.5 and Bertuzzi at $3.75 but they rarely tilt the ice in our favour. And only on the 3rd line for both; their tenacity together might be effective. Bottom line is they are NOT 2L players.

I have zero interest in Brodie, even at minimum salary. There are simply better choices.

And yes Lyubushkin and Edmundson will get their audition in the playoffs when it counts. Neither are worth their current salaries but if they help the PK, clearing the net and are able to slow the rush with body checks we may have something.

Same for Dewar.

As for Parayko while I might like to have him I would continue to oppose any 1st in a package.

Just my opinion.


2.) 09 Mar 2024 14:29:58
St. Louis would owe 2 3rds to leafs as per hertl trade. A but differant but retaining low% for many season doesn’t seem like a huge ask compared to 50% retained with or without 3rd party gets a bigger return even though you’ve retained more than the few month retain. So weird because although a team retain me less % it’s not only moult leaving till the term of thd contract expires or player retires. In fact it takes up a retain slot and only allowed 3 at a time per year you might wanna do something big but that tiny % comes back to bite you

Maybe league will catch on to reversing the values since you end up retaining more cap and salary on the long term low%retain than high % retain on a less than half a year annoyance. It might seem to put u behind covering such a high retain but by the new offseason unlike other scenario you don’t need to think about it or worry if player goes to LTIR causing you to have to get your accounted involved over a non human entity

Just saying.


3.) 10 Mar 2024 01:01:49
@Rsears to say Brodie would be bad at league min is a bit much. I'd take a lot of guys at league min I wouldn't take any higher.


 

 

10 Jun 2019 12:43:48
Does the Skinner deal impact Marner's contract?

Skinner just scored 40 goals on a very poor team, and has scored 30+ goals 4 times in his career. He also was a pending UFA

My thoughts are no team is dumb enough to sign Marner to an offer sheet paying him north of $10.5M as no one will pay 4 1st's for a winger, I like Marner but he's not McDavid, sorry

So when looking at a contract, $10.5 is the max I would go with him on an 8 year deal. Ideally the Leafs want $9M on an 8 year deal, but that is not going to happen.

Can a 7 year 9.75M deal work? Slice off 1 year of UFA and meet half way?

Torontobuds

1.) 14 Jun 2019 20:59:33
The Skinner deal impacts every contract. I would assume it gives Marner a lot more leverage. Marner is arguably the better player. Scores less goals, but has been instrumental in leading the play for the Leafs. Both are top line wingers and among the top offensive points leaders on their teams. The comparison is apt, and though it doesn’t give Marner any leverage to ask for more money, it does strengthen his case for what he has been asking.


 

 

20 Oct 2018 14:31:23
Does Tuch's new deal out of his ELC at $4,75MM for 7 years improve the contract offer talks for the Leafs with Nylander.

I understand he's not as good as Nylander, but also lower than what the Leafs are offering

last year
Nylander 20G, 41A, 61 Pts

Tuch 15G, 22A, 37 Pts

Leafs offer is around $6M - $6.5M on a LT deal

Also hearing a 4 year offer around $4.75M AAV

I would say the Leafs are bang on with their offers using this as a gauge!

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1.) 21 Oct 2018 02:07:14
I think Tuch is going to be for Vegas what Lucic was for Edmonton.


 

 

09 Jun 2018 16:01:24
Looking towards the draft, the Leafs need to start to upgrade the depth at the C position. After looking at some mocks, here are two quality C to draft 1st and 2nd

1st - C - R. McLeod
2nd - C - J. McBain

Two young big bodied Centres who the Leafs can develop

The other need is at RHD, but I feel with Lilijegren in the pipe and they should be looking for a NHL ready RHD so the draft is not ideal unless they trade up for D - E. Bouchard

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27 Feb 2018 02:48:51
Looking towards the off-season,what do contracts look like for the big 3

Using Eichel and McDavid and sandwich for Matthews I come to the following:

A. Matthews 8 years $88M, ($11M AAV)

For both Marner and Nylander who I say are valued the same, I use Ehlers and Pastrnak to sandwich their deals.

M. Marner 7 years 45.5M ($6.5M AAV)
W. Nylander 7 years $45.5M ($6.5M AAV)

Thoughts?

Torontobuds

1.) 28 Feb 2018 01:31:57
the amount of years for marner should be 8 years and nylander should take 5.5M at 7 years.


 

 

 

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07 Mar 2024 12:27:51
Too much from the Leafs. Hanifin only fetched a 2025 1st plus a 3rd, that is likely a 2nd.

Take out the 3rd, Minten and Gregor.

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25 Feb 2024 14:37:43
I guess in my opinion, trading for Hanifin, while good, is not the answer. However, if Calgary is trying to to a bit of a rebuild on the fly, getting a package like this is good.

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10 Feb 2024 16:46:00
Leafs ate 8 years of Kessel's $1M, so it's not like it's never been done before.

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18 Jan 2024 20:57:38
Dumba is not even better than Liljegren.

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07 Jan 2024 17:31:11
Not sure how much more for Weegar, another B prospect and a mid pick?

Also, not sure Ferraro garners a 1st, that's a bit much for a middle/ bottom pairing guy.

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