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16 Apr 2024 08:01:00
Leafs trade Jarnknok Kampf

Utah trade 3 rd rounder 2024

RLF

We need new thread here seems Sears thinks you're sleeping at the switch like I do.

Let's look at Robertson minutes last game you actually think he has been given fair opportunity?

Nick Robertson had 10:52 of ice time Saturday night and that's all he has ever got all season

We are not counting Bobby McMann last game because he was hurt after 4 min of Ice time

The only player to have less ice time than Robertson was Reaves @ 8:17. Holmberg ended the night @ 11:11 Knies 13:21 Kampf had 12:04. This isn't fair opportunity kLF.

But it's ok Robertson is growing his stripes but I assure you next season his role will expand he will have a big playmaker on his line I suggest Marner and Robertson stats are going up.

Just stop thinking leafs prospects are useless and others teams prospects are better.

Leafslife actually would trade Robertson plus a pick for McBain. You guys both think they got more than we do and it's not the case

The leafs winning curve hasn't even started yet they have made mistakes like letting Hyman walk. Four players graduated to leafs this season

Robertson
McMann
Holmberg
Woll

This is next wave that's is coming

Cowan
Minten
Niemela
Quillan
Hildeby

All won't come through next season but I'm sure three on this list make it

RLF Start loving your prospects the Leafs haven't had this ever 1970s through 2022 the leafs had no prospects like this list

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16 Apr 2024 13:35:17
Mackin,

Ok, so explain exactly what would be fair opportunity for Robertson then. If you don't think him getting predominantly offensive minutes, even if they are limited to offensive minutes, then what does a true fair opportunity look like and why does he deserve it over whoever's minutes he takes and whoever's possible position he takes in the lineup?

I do value our prospects, but sometimes when you have too many of one certain type of player, you use those assets to get what you lack.

16 Apr 2024 16:52:36
15 plus min a game would be nice Robertson has never had it.

16 Apr 2024 17:33:12
You didn't really answer my question though.
How does he get 15+ mins a night? Who's ice-time does he take? Marner? Nylander? Bertuzzi? Domi? Knies? McMann? Who?

16 Apr 2024 21:33:45
@RLF Mathews. Nicky Bobby can do better.

17 Apr 2024 13:45:32
LL. So Nicky Bobby can play centre too? Not sure why I doubted that.

17 Apr 2024 13:57:55
Let's look at Robertson's last 5 games. Not that a small sample tells the whole story. 2 were against NJ and one against Detroit. He scored 2X a +1 and played around 11 mins in each game. The other two games were against Tampa and Florida. 0 points and a -1 even though he played almost 13 mins in one and 13:38 in the other. I know some don't think it matters that he doesn't produce much against good teams, but it matters.

18 Apr 2024 14:58:10
RLF

So as you said, let’s look at the last 5 games.

I went to hockey-reference. com and read that NR had as you correctly stated 2G 1A in those games.

What it also stated was that NR was a +2 in those games.

+1 against Tampa and Fla in 12:54 TOI (12:52 and 12:56) with 1A
+1 against NJ (2gp) and Det in 10:56 TOI with 2G

So maybe you can share your site because there obviously is a discrepancy.

And of course then there is the notion that NJ and Detroit are not good teams versus “good but not playoff teams this year”.

I will thank you in advance for your help in better understanding this matter.

18 Apr 2024 17:12:27
Rsears.

I used Hockey Reference.

As I said, in the 3 games that included NJx2 and Detroit. He scored 2X and was a +1. In the other two games against Tampa and Fla, he did not score and was a -1. Dates April 3-16.

It seems you are including last nights game instead of the April 3rd game. I wrote my post before last nights game, which you can see by looking at the date and time it was posted and considering the posted time can sometimes be hours after sent in.

If you want to now update to include last nights game, that's fine. In those 3 games. 0 goals, 1 assist and a -1 against Tampa 2X and Fla once. With ice time of 13:38, 12:56 and 12:52 respectively. Either or, he still didn't score against the tougher teams and did against weaker competition as I stated.

If you want to classify Detroit and NJ as being good teams that's your evaluation. I guess we have a difference of opinion on what a good team is as well. To me, a good team is a team that can be in the top half of the League at least and make the playoffs. I wouldn't call the Leafs a great team just because they finished 10th overall. I would say they are a good to very good team.

NJ was 4th last in the Conference and only 10 teams League wide had worst records (22nd League wide) . There were only 5 teams that allowed more goals than NJ. Personally, I wouldn't classify NJ as a good team this year. I think they had a very disappointing season and didn't play well.
Detroit finished 18th in the League. Not bad, but not good. imo Detroit I would say is getting better, but still not a team that has been able to make the playoffs yet and when I look at their lineup, they need to make some significant adds still to become a good team.

18 Apr 2024 18:13:59
So thank you for clarifying that it was a different 5-game window. By coincidence your earlier analysis covered the same 5 teams.

So it is realistic to conclude, as you stated that it is a small sample size, that a different window could yield a different conclusion.

Yet you make your point that it matters who the opposition is.

While I dont necessarily disagree with statement, how does one conclude with certainty that because NR didn’t against Tampa in your 5-game window he is not being effective?

He had scored 2A assists in 3 games against Tampas this year and 1G and 1A in 2 GP against Florida.

The Tampa game in your window had the Leafs score one goal only so it’s safe to say that at least 15 Leaf ALSO didn’t register a point.

All this to say I believe you’re being overly harsh toward NR.

I’m neither a critic or a proponent, perhaps more for than against. I’d consider a trade but the determinant is at what return, as it always is.

I don’t like his giveaways and that he can be easily pushed off the puck but he’s only 22 with (I don’t know for sure) maybe 70GP so I’m willing to delay a final judgement on him.

So yes we disagree…and the world still turns!

18 Apr 2024 18:58:47
I said "I know some don't think it matters that he doesn't produce much against good teams, but it matters. " I didn't say that conclusion was based on that 5 or now 6 game window.

As you know, I already showed the season goal scoring for him and which teams he feasted on and who he had no goals against. Let's also consider that his shooting% this season of 14.6% and is double compared to the 25 games he previously played over the past two seasons. So, it's not like not scoring against the better teams is because he has an unusually low sh% this season. His ice time wasn't cut against the better teams either. He has a low sh% against playoff teams and a high sh% against non-playoff teams though.

Yes, the Tampa game Leafs scored one goal and no one else but Matthews scored. I don't get your point. I could easily say that in consecutive games late March against Washington and Edmonton the Leafs scored a total of 13 goals and Robertson didn't have a point. Played Washington again 5 days later scoring 5 goals and Robertson didn't have a point. I don't see how either scenario proves anything about Robertson, other than what I said about not scoring much against playoff bound/ better teams.

I have also never said I don't like Robertson or that he sucks. Just because I think it's best he is traded for help elsewhere or draft capital/ prospect doesn't mean I hate him as a player or think he sucks. I have never said to trade him for the sake of it either. As you said, he has bad giveaways and easily knocked off the puck as well. The debate I was having with Mackin was that Mackin said you cannot trade Robertson and it is foolish to do so. My stance is / was that Robertson has done nothing to show he is untouchable as I already explained. If he was producing against the tougher teams, I would have given him credit for that and said he steps up in tougher games because it would be a fact. But that isn't the case. If you think saying what I have said is being overly harsh on Robertson, ok.

18 Apr 2024 19:51:01
RLF
I know we debate many points. We see many things differently.

I have never stated that you think NR “sucks” or is “untouchable”; those are your words so why get yourself in a frenzy by inventing things.

It is clear however that NR is not your favourite; it’s obvious by your responses.

I also don’t think Robertson should be traded as yet but I would certainly listen. He has a good skill set and can correct his defensive lapses. Unlike offence, defence can be taught.

As far as a trade goes, I would not favour draft capital. IMO NR is an NHLer while a future draft pick might not be.

RLF, as you hopefully understand, anyone can find small bits of data to support an argument. That doesn’t make it true. Unfortunately we will have to wait for LeafLand to know what they have in NR.

So we disagree which is normally healthy.

Can’t we just leave it there or do you feel the need yet again to have the final word.

I leave that to you.

15 Apr 2024 19:32:02
No chance Robertson sees a game in the playoffs. Unless there are some injuries but Florida would eat him up and spit him out. He is a smaller Willy with less skill. Take out Brodie for playoffs for heavens sake Sheldon, please.
I hope he keeps these lines spreads out. Team is NOT playing solid defence since they got in the playoffs. Hopefully that changes when it matters.

Bert Matthews Domi - plays against Bennett line
McMann JT Nylander
Holmberg Kampf Marner - shut down line (plays against Barkov/ Reinhardt line)
Knies Dewar Reaves

Rielly Boosh
Benoit McCabe
Edmundson Lily.

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16 Apr 2024 02:41:12
I'm with you on sitting Brodie. I'd probably even put Gio in instead of Brodie at this point.

16 Apr 2024 13:39:40
I don't mind that at all Clarky. Willy is not suited for 3rd line duty. It's not exactly what I would like to see, but it looks pretty solid. I'd be tempted to switch Holmberg and Knies if making a minor tweak even though I concede Holmberg is more dependable defensively. Either or though.

16 Apr 2024 14:21:43
Doubt Marner goes for this.

16 Apr 2024 20:07:10
Shouldn’t be up to Marner. Coach should make decisions on what’s best for the team.

16 Apr 2024 23:16:05
I wouldn't be shocked Clarky.
McMann-Tavares-Nylander line was playing well during Marner's injury.
Why didn't Keefe just leave the line as is and just play Marner on the 3rd line?
It would have seemed like the logical change without disrupting the other lines.
IMO Marner needs to be coddled . simple as that.
I just think plating Marner with Kampf would not go over well with Mitch.

15 Apr 2024 02:11:06
Tree adds another hulking dman this one being a leafs pick in 2016 6'6 225 and shoots right. My only question is why didn't the leafs sign him before? He has always been a point producer by the looks of it anyone see anything on the reasoning?

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15 Apr 2024 14:47:40
Goat. Yes, we are seeing Tree start to put his stamp on what he wants to build. He took some time to evaluate and didn't panic due to fan pressure. He is trying to build for every year and not just this one. Smart of him. imo

As for not signing Mattinen. I think it is a s simple as Dubas didn't really value big, hulking D-men. Tree also signed Chas Sharpe to a Marlies contract. 20 year old right shot D-man that is 6'3" 195lb point producer from Orillia.

Not sure anyone else has noticed, but Tree has signed a lot of Canadians. Bert, Domi, Benoit, Mattinen, Sharpe, McMann, Reaves, Gregor, Quillan, Lajoie and Chadwick. I don't think that is a coincidence.

15 Apr 2024 18:23:47
I’m definitely interested in what he will do this offseason now that he’s seen a full year.

14 Apr 2024 16:44:31
For those who don’t agree that the Leafs need to address their goaltending situation…. Look and the last two games and Woll’s last couple as well. First round exit is guaranteed with that kind of goalie play. Number one off season priority IMO.

A package loosely based on marner to Nsh for Sarros and Lauzon works for me.

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14 Apr 2024 20:06:45
Saros is such an interesting one. Nashville has looked great so they may not want to lose a goalie that's as good as Saros, but they also have (what looks to be), a stud in waiting.

I'm not sure how much Trotz wants Marner, but I would personally love to see this.

14 Apr 2024 21:36:53
I think trotz would really want Marner, he likes his teams to be solid defensively, might be the only leaf winter that is.

14 Apr 2024 23:46:25
I’d trade nylander before marner
Nylander is a cream puff
Nylander Hildeby
Saros Lauzon.

15 Apr 2024 01:55:31
@MPH I don't want either one. I'm not sure I can even compare them.

Watch Marner as soon as the playoffs start and someone hits him. Won't win a single puck battle.

15 Apr 2024 02:07:40
The problem with goalies is that top end guys are almost never available if you want one you need to develop one something the leafs haven’t done in a long time.

15 Apr 2024 06:08:55
@GGoat good point.

Saros. Demko. Vassy, etc. Are especially never available in there prime. You just catch lightning in a bottle sometimes with an Adin Hill.

15 Apr 2024 20:01:20
Absolutely. Top goalies are hard to obtain. Especially if they are on good contracts.

14 Apr 2024 13:07:31
Something I read in an MLHS article describing the Edvinsson goal. I thought you guys would enjoy it.

"Nylander got beaten by the pinch and then seemed to have his controller disconnect from the video game console, drifting aimlessly while Edvinsson made a cut to a dangerous area. "

BTW I do agree completely with this assessment, Nylander looked like he was out for a leisurely skate.

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14 Apr 2024 14:28:22
Tags. lol. Yes, Willy is what Willy is. He is a tremendous offensive talent. He is capable of dominating at both ends, but he just doesn't want to. It seems that simple to me.

As I said and not trying to harp on it, but it goes to your post, he should be no where near the PK. Leafs have Kampf, Marner, Dewar, McMann, Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Knies that can all do a better job imo.

Also, if our 3rd line is Holmberg, Robertson and Willy in the playoffs. . . that line will be fishing pucks out of their own net constantly. Willy's production has been almost nothing with them as it is.

14 Apr 2024 15:31:26
RLF I don't like this 3rd line as well. I've stated if Nylander and Marner are switched, then maybe this line can work.
But I just don't see Keefe playing Marner on the 3rd line, and for that matter, I don't see Marner accepting it gracefully.

14 Apr 2024 17:18:09
As you know, I prefer a heavy 3rd line. I am not as concerned about a ton of scoring from it, as I am wanting it to chip in some, but mostly wear and shut the other team down. Get the puck in their end and keep it there while being defensively responsible in our end. We have no lines that will play any significant minutes at the moment that are physically hard to defend other then the Matthews/ Bert/ Domi line.

14 Apr 2024 17:42:56
This is why I really like my initial line set-ups

Bert-Matt-Willy (2 gritty players)
Knies-Domi-Marner (2 gritty players)
McMann-JT-Jarny (gritty & defensive)
Homberg-Kampf-Reaves/ Dewer (shutdown/ energy)

All lines have grit, defensive and offense. IMO this is the best way to spread out over 3 lines.

14 Apr 2024 06:55:12
Leafs trade Timmins

Utah trade 5 th rounder 2024

Just trying out the Utah Coyotes name here a nothing trade

But let's talk to Leafslife

Leafslife

You still want to trade Robertson + a late first round pick for Jack McBain

Have you lost it my old friend have you had one conversation too many with RLF

Robertson is twice the player mcBain is and 20 months younger.

Robertson would have 2 extra goals if not for a toe offside in both cases

Stats both players

McBain 65 games 8 goals and 16 pts = 24 pts
Robertson 54 games 14 goals 12 assist 26 pt

The money between these two is a wash McBain is in year 1 of 2 year deal $1.5 million.where as Robertson in off season will sign 2 year 2 million deal per

B4 Robertson finishes his next contract he will be a 35 goal scorer

Will McBain ever get 15 goals I doubt it and if you want chippy play bring Bertuzzi and Domi back for less money than they currently make.

If they can play Matthews line they will be happy to make a bit less. It's working out rather well In Edmonton with Hyman hanging out with Mcdavid.

Back to Robertson don't be fooled by RFL who is out to lunch on Robertson. It's not just a shot that Robertson has it's his moves on goalies that never gets praised.

This trade you suggest

Robertson and late 1st
For McBain

Is far worse than if you drafted

Dylan Strome instead of Marner in 2015 entry draft

Tell me last time Leafs had 4 all star forwards plus so many young stars coming in.

All the young guns will be around $1 million with Robertson making $2 million next year

Robertson
Knies
McMann. No star but solid 25 goal guy
Holmberg no star but way better than Kampf
Cowan could be next major star Toronto
Minten starting to score CHL playoffs
Quillan he was as good as Knies in college we see ?

When have leafs ever had a group coming like this Leafslife ? We don't trade any of them until we see who gets ripe among this group

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14 Apr 2024 14:13:43
Can I be out to breakfast or dinner instead. I rarely go out for lunch.

I will actually give you some Robertson facts since you brought me back into it.

Do you know who Robertson has scored against this year?
Ottawa
Vancouver
Chicago
Columbus
Carolina 3X (Who had goalie trouble most of the season)
San Jose
Seattle
Anaheim
Buffalo
Florida
New Jersey
Detroit

Most of these teams are non playoff and not big, heavy teams who play a playoff style.

Who didn't he score against for instance and had games where he was in most cases not noticeable in
Tampa
Boston
Vegas
LAK
Winnipeg
Dallas
Colorado
Edmonton
Washington
NYR
Nashville
NYI

All these teams are top teams or close to playoff teams. Almost all play a heavier style of game.

Robertson has feasted on weaker teams. Good for him. We won't see any of those teams in the playoffs though.

As for when has the Leafs had such good young talent. You forgot some names in the early 70's. On top of adding Salming and Hammarstrom in 73. From 1970-77 the Leafs drafted
Sittler
Thompson
Kehoe
Ferguson
Boutette
McDonald
Kneely
Turnball
Valiquette
Tiger Williams
Palmateer
Jarvis
Carlisle
Anderson

I would say that trumps your list pretty easily for cheap young talent.

14 Apr 2024 20:08:23
Not once did I suggest a late first. A late-ish pick was what I stated. 3rd-4th round.

14 Apr 2024 23:22:42
When a player scores 14 goals there will always be 17 teams they don’t score against! If my math is correct.

So 6/ 14 are against playoff teams. And there are a few teams not in the playoffs that he didn’t score against.

I’d also question whether he even played against all the teams he didn’t score against plus his TOI is low.

I’d say Robertson is starting to gain some confidence in his abilities. It’s good to see him (knock on wood) not sustain another injury.

If he gets time in the playoffs it will be a good test on his long term viability as a Leaf.

I hope he makes it!

15 Apr 2024 00:15:36
Here’s a fact:

Nick Robertson has ATOI of 11:19 and has 14g and 12a.

NO OTHER PLAYER with that ice time has more points.

Just saying that he’s being very productive, especially for a guy who also is in and out of the lineup and gets little PP time. He’s played in 54/ 80 games. I have to wonder if he was in every game how much more confidence he might have?

He did have 5 assists against playoff teams like Tampa, Florida, Boston, Vegas and Winnipeg.

Think it’s time to leave Robertson alone. Matt Knies in 78gp has 15g and 21a in 13:42 ATOI with ample time in top6.

They’re both fine for me. McMann in 56gp has 15g 9a in ATOI 11:33.

I like these three.

15 Apr 2024 00:19:25
RLF

Lists the teams Robertson has scored against. Never have I seen a comparison like that used to determine the value of a hockey player.

Is Matthews less of a scorer if he scored more goals against non playoff teams compared to playoff teams.

It’s ridiculous


But now we enter playoffs next weekend and mark my words Robertson is in lineup and he will score goals.

Next season his role on team is significantly higher

Lets compare numbers

The two Robertson brothers

First I’m looking older brother and I’m also checking what older brother did as a 22 years old

RLF.

The last season that Jason Robertson played less than 60 games was as a 21 year old in 2020 - 21 season . Jason played only 51 games

Jason Robertson 2020~21 51 games 17 goals 28 assists 45 points
Nick Robertson. 2023~24 54 games 14 goals 12 assists 26 points

Nick had 2 goals called back this year due to a toe being offside. So the two players nearly match for goals in a similar role in and out of lineup.

Nick Robertson has never had a role with a leafs team and I’m expecting next year he is a full time player. So look for similarities in numbers next year between both brothers


We see in Sept what’s shaping up in camp but Nick Robertson is full time leaf next season. This year I expect he does damage in playoffs we will see?

15 Apr 2024 13:58:33
Rsears.

Sorry, no, your math is not correct. Robertson has scored against 12 different teams for 14 goals. You didn't account for multiple goals against the same team. Not sure what that would have to do with scoring mostly against the lower tier teams anyway. I'm pretty sure if he only scored against top teams you would be touting that it doesn't matter if he doesn't score against lower tier teams as they won't be in the playoffs anyway.

And yes, he did play against all the teams I listed he didn't score against. Why would I list teams he didn't play against? He has 5 goals against teams in the playoffs at the moment, but only against 3 teams. I notice you put 6 goals and didn't mention it's only against 3 teams. I'm not the one skewing facts to support a personal narrative.

Considering I wasn't even replying to your post, the main questions are; what did I write that caused two long posts designed to try and show how great Robertson actually is and wrong I am? What did I write that isn't fact? Where did I write that Robertson is bad? Why such a big write up to me, when you say nothing to others when they write much worse about Robertson?

Your response to me is because. . . why? Because Mackin went on about me again and how I don't know anything about Robertson and how great Robertson is and shouldn't be traded? All I did was show that I do know more about Robertson then he says and pointed out that, at this time he has feasted on the lesser teams and that doesn't relate to a player you don't trade. I also showed that he is not typically noticeable against tougher teams which is what will be seen in the playoffs. Again, not a player that is untouchable. That's all. You disagree with that? And enough to write two "support Robertson posts? " I said nothing bad about Robertson. I actually said good for him to at least feast on lesser teams.

Let's flip this for a second. You have been going on about Brodie all year saying way worse things than I do about Robertson. Do I tell you to leave him alone? Do I write multiple posts to you trying to prove you wrong? No, because I don't tell people what opinions they are allowed to have or express. You have even said my opinion is just an opinion, nothing more, and insinuated my opinion doesn't have much value. Yet, you can go on and on about Robertson and even tell everyone it's time to leave Robertson alone. Pretty authoritative things to say.

There seems to be some great desire to try and prove me wrong by you, yet you say I think I feel this is my site, even though I don't do the same to you. Not sure how you can know what I think and feel about my place on this site in the first place. Pretty arrogant statement to make actually.

I will agree with you that it does seem that someone has a need to feel they are the go to source on the site for hockey knowledge and even tell people which players should be left alone from any critique if it disagrees with their own assessment. It's not really me doing these things though.

15 Apr 2024 14:34:56
weathermac

Are you serious on Matthews not being critiqued on scoring. Matthews had lots of critique for not scoring in the playoffs when he was younger. There have been lots of questioning about whether he can lead the team when it matters and score enough in the playoffs and in big games.

If Robertson is in the playoff lineup and scores lots of goals, nothing would make me happier, assuming he isn't a liability defensively of course. You may be right. Nothing at this point would suggest you are though. He already plays only in the top 9. He also gets PP time on the 2nd unit. He gets sheltered minutes, which is what limits his overall minutes. His average TOI per game is low because he doesn't see the ice late in tight games. Sometimes he barely plays in the last 10-15 minutes of a tight game because of his lack of defensive responsibility. It's not because he isn't given opportunity offensively.

Why it could matter that he hasn't scored much against top teams is because those are the playoff teams for one. Add to that, in the playoffs things tighten up more, get more physical and open ice is harder to come by and has to be fought harder for. If he can't score against them in the regular season when more penalties are called and finding free ice is easier, it is going to be even tougher for him in the playoffs to produce against those teams. That's common sense. There is no evidence to suggest he is the type of player that will excel when games get tighter and more physical and you play every other night, like in the playoffs.

What does what Jason Robertson did have anything to do with Nick Robertson? One has nothing to do with the other.

Yes, he had two goals called back because HE was off-side trying to cheat for an advantage on odd man rushes. That's on him. Had the linesman got it right in the first place, no goal gets scored and this wouldn't be a debate. It was by more than a toe as well. The first one was obvious and the last one the linesman shouldn't have missed either as he was off-side by a good 6" or more.

Let's remember here. I am not the one who said Robertson would score 30+ goals this year, that was you. I said if he gets even 20 we should be thrilled. I didn't say McMann doesn't belong on the team. That was you. I said he should be on the team and could be a good complimentary player in the top 6. I didn't say we should trade Domi and Bertuzzi, that was you. I said put Domi on the top 6 and Bert will come around. I didn't say Treliving was horrible and ruined the team, that was you. I said I liked the direction Treliving was going.

Isn't it pretty disingenuous to be telling me I am wrong on Robertson and so many other players and management when I'm not the one who was actually wrong about it all from the start and you were?

15 Apr 2024 15:50:54
There you go again RLF.

You cannot accept being challenged!

6/ 14 goals are against playoff teams! Carolina (3), Vancouver, Florida and Detroit. Does scoring three against the number one seed not count for three.

You are a piece of work!

And who writes the epistles?

You call me arrogant; it’s really silly.

I think this site allows discussion amongst many. You’re not the only one who can respond to DM, and your name calling is really childish.

15 Apr 2024 19:21:55
Rsears

So the guy who started all the personal insults and continues to do so, accuses me of doing what he does. lol

There is nothing I wrote that isn't true and factual. Only the last paragraph to you is subjective. Are you saying you are the only one allowed to state what you think someone's motivations are. You seemed fine doing it to me, but get angry when I speculate what you are doing. And respond by name calling again.

For instance, on the facts, Detroit is not in the playoffs at the moment, which leaves 5 teams actually in the playoffs as I said. I did put he scored against Carolina 3X. 5 goals against 3 playoff teams. Facts get you angry?

I asked what I wrote that isn't true and I got the kind of response I should have expected from you I guess. You didn't acknowledge being wrong on your math. You didn't explain your need to step in. You didn't acknowledge that my point was strictly about Robertson not showing he is worthy of untouchable status and you instead went elsewhere with it. You didn't answer why you only go after me. No response to what I showed as fact, just insults. But I'm the one that can't handle being challenged and is the insulting one and you put that as part of one of your insulting posts to me, for about the 3rd or 4th time now. No contradiction there. lol

Funny you talk about the epistles, like now you find it offensive. This comes right after you called it a good read, full of good fiction and some historical fact. So which is it? You find it offensive or entertaining? Or is it whatever suits you on whatever day when you want to insult or get angry again.

So, if name calling is childish, which you have done and know you have now again, and it's also not right calling someone arrogant because it's silly, which you have done in the past, then are you just admitting to being everything you claim I am. Is that what I am to take from this, I guess.

Funny thing, If you re-read, I didn't call you arrogant or authoritative. I said your statements were arrogant and authoritative. I also didn't call you a piece of work. These are all things you have done though. Ironically, avoiding answering the questions and responding with anger and insults at those who pose questions in a debate are a common trait of arrogant people. Just saying.

No one said you can't respond to DM. You didn't respond to DM though, you responded to me. I was the one responding to DM. So what does that have to do with anything in your current rant at me. That's a really odd point to bring up. I will ask again, if you think so poorly of me and that I don't like being challenged, I'm a piece of work etc then why keep responding to my posts? No one forces you to engage with me. You do that on your own and then rant about how you don't like my responses to you.

If you can't see you are doing everything you accuse me of, which makes you no better, then what else is there to say really.

15 Apr 2024 20:01:25
RLF

I offered real facts to what you said.
6 of his 14 goals are against playoff teams and 5 of his 12 assists are against playoff teams. If you cannot count Detroit why would your claim be made.

Perhaps we should call it mis-information or distortion of the facts.

I joined Mackin’s post because your response needed to be questioned. Using teams who he scored against is as irrelevant as comparing the two Robertsons. With 14 goals scored there will always be at least 17 he doesn’t score against.

I have never resorted to name-calling; that is your area of expertise nor did I use the word authoritative; that was you.

I will say yet again that you simply are not able to accept being challenged on your so-called facts.

Like it makes less difference that Robertson scores three against Carolina because they were having goalie issues.

You’re grasping for straws.

15 Apr 2024 22:21:36
You never resort to name calling or insults. lol

I didn't say Detroit counted or make that claim. You did. You made the 6 of 14 against playoff teams argument. I corrected your error by the fact Detroit is not a playoff team atm. Is counting Detroit, who is a non-playoff team atm, part of the "facts" your offering as rebuttal.

Using teams he scored against is irrelevant? Ok. So, you would concede that if Nylander had 40 this season and 35 were against non-playoff teams and then during this years playoffs he failed to score, you would still call it irrelevant. I don't think most would and thankfully Nylander scored against lots of playoff bound teams this season. What about a goalie who can only win games against lower tier teams and not the good teams. Is that irrelevant to?

Telling someone that they think they run the site is making an accusation that they think they are in an authoritative role on the site. So, yes you did say I act authoritative.

Just because you keep saying that same thing about me doesn't make it true. The fact that you think it does, and insist it is, is a show of presumed authority by you on the subject btw. Your attempts at armchair psychology, which I will venture to guess you have no real education in, hasn't come close to proving what you claim. Your accusation's are also what people will do in an attempt to discredit another when they have no real argument of their own.

You want authority. You wrote the below, not me.

My "response NEEDED to be questioned"

Really? It "NEEDED" to? That's not a statement from a place of presumed authority? You were compelled to respond to me by whom exactly, to question it? The answer is you, as you admittedly felt you were the authority that needed to intervene.

16 Apr 2024 00:33:12
RLF

My posts presume nothing. As a contributor to the site I have every right to challenge your incorrect statements and misinformation.

Continue as you wish in your fantasy; you are what you are.

16 Apr 2024 13:26:06
Rsears

Living in fantasy. Interesting statement when it comes from the guy who insists he doesn't name call and hasn't been insulting while he uses personal attacks when challenged on his statements thinking that somehow discredits me and my hockey knowledge and overall intelligence. Ok.

Insults are not evidence.

16 Apr 2024 14:30:18
And the horse has the last word!

14 Apr 2024 03:45:18
Also that 4th goal was awful but the other 4 samsonov gets 0 blame.

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14 Apr 2024 03:43:53
So hear me out, they should've started Jones against Detroit. And he should start the playoffs. Neither of our top 2 are playing well, and they are who is being scouted right now by Florida staff.

They can get a book on Jones pretty easily but it isn't what they've been working on.

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14 Apr 2024 04:22:19
Start Jones? I'm not sure about that one.

I'd give Woll the next two games and just pick who's been better.

Yes, Sammy had a pile of garbage in front of him, but sometimes you just need a save. That's the hug thing people seem to forget.

I cant think of the last goalie that won a cup, without stealing a game, making a key save he wasn't to blame for, that elevated play at the right time. If neither one can do that, then we'd better have the trap devils and Scotty Bowman if you want to win.

14 Apr 2024 14:29:49
I would still start Woll. Nothing has changed for me. Woll's game is much quieter and built more for playoff hockey. I think the players may be even more confident with him in net.

14 Apr 2024 00:48:21
Samsonov needs some days off here. Play in front of him isn't great, but he couldn't stop a beach ball lately.

Give Woll some reps going into the playoffs.

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14 Apr 2024 02:05:22
I think we will need Woll. Samsonov is trying to shake demons right now. Shouldn't have played him tonight. imo.

14 Apr 2024 03:34:58
He redeemed himself somewhat. Made a couple of big saves to preserve the point. Good on him, but he definitely needs to be better from puck drop.
Brodie still concerns me though, I'm trending over to Clary's side. Don't know what he was thinking by rolling the puck softly into the corner, why not try to blast it out. He had a chance to do that IMO.

14 Apr 2024 06:05:01
@Tags I have really liked Brodie since he got here, but his decisions are seriously concerning me as well. He's still the best you can do for a top 6, but I'm not sure I like the idea of him either.

Yes, Sammy looked better later on, but that's a lost game next week.

14 Apr 2024 14:34:17
I thought Brodie would turn it around, but his head just doesn't seem in it. It's like he is going through the motions, but struggling to stay in the game in his head. Too many non-confident plays. I don't know if he is just done or he just needs the year over with and try and reset his mind and start fresh, but Clarky and others that said he shouldn't be in there are right. I wouldn't have him in my playoff lineup to start either.

13 Apr 2024 23:59:37
Also, am I the only one who is really tired of Nylander on the PK. He should be no where near the pk.

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14 Apr 2024 00:11:00
Is anyone else tired of Knies taking stupid offensive zone penalties?
BTW how does Kampf miss that puck along the boards? He was right there.

14 Apr 2024 00:47:18
@Tags I'm getting tired of Knies taking them as well. They're just idiotic penalties.

@RLF I don't understand why Willy is anywhere near the PK either. He's poor defensively on the best of days, a liability on the worst days.

14 Apr 2024 00:49:35
Tags. Lol. Yes, Knies takes too many penalties, I have already said that on here. I was talking about the pk. Willy has no business being on the pk.

14 Apr 2024 01:03:15
I’m not a fan of the carelessness of Knies either. He needs to lift up the stick like Matthews and not hook and hold.

Agreed Tags. These penalties in the O-zone are stupid.

I’m not necessarily against Nylander getting some PK but there are certainly times when his effort is lacking. It’s these half-efforts that can drive me crazy.

14 Apr 2024 01:11:04
RLF we definitely need help on the PK and Willy definitely isn't the greatest defensively. All we have are Kampf, Marner and Dewar when he's in the line up. I guess Jarnkrok when he's back.
Maybe they need to give more reps to Holmberg, McMann and possibly Knies.

14 Apr 2024 01:36:50
@Tags McCann has a great 200ft game imo. I'd be running him out there as much as possible as well on the PK.

14 Apr 2024 02:04:07
Tags. I know you love Willy, my complaint was more about Keefe playing him on the penalty kill. He shouldn't be there. It's that simple imo.

Rsears. There should be no such thing as a lack of effort on the pk. That is why Willy should be no where near it unless your down by a goal late in the 3rd.

LL. Ding ding ding. McMann on the PK. He is one of the best defensive forwards on the Leafs. He identifies his man quickly and doesn't puck chase. Big body with an active stick. Just what you need on the pk.

14 Apr 2024 03:59:24
I get what you're saying RLF and I agree, Willy is not the most intense/ engaged player out there.
Agree on McMann and also think Holmberg is good on the PK.

13 Apr 2024 23:57:28
There was an exchange yesterday on Samsonov.

I didn’t join the conversation because I might have regretted what nasties I would write.

Honestly, not that the Leafs are defending well, but he’s looking pretty brutal in all facets of his game.

Woll ha been poor recently as well.

The question was also recently presented by LL I believe on the likely playoff opponent.

I had said Leafs in 6 if our goalie beats their goalie.

I want to believe this can happen but I’m not very confident.

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