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28 Jan 2026 03:55:15
Hell, Buffalo fired their GM why don't we.

He is a useless piece of rubbish and has no idea what he is going.

He is supposed to make the team better not f. king worst.

Treliving your fired and take that coaching staff with you

Pelly do your job and hire a start hockey person for GM.

LET THE NEW GM GET RID OF THESE USELESS BUMS LIKE Rielly, MATTHEWS, NYLANDER, DOMI AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE!

START OVER!

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27 Jan 2026 15:34:41
Bit of a rant/ take here but I think the leafs would be in a better position if dubas was still the gm…

Here why we all know why he was fired. Because shanahan has a big ego and he wanted to move marner. What that trade looks like idk but ultimately it was the right move to do going forward… under dubas we went through years of the core four which he wears 100% but he was able to find value contracts.

But I think we can agree that his philosophy on how to build a winner had changed by the end look at what he did the year he got canned brought in oreilly accari at 50% retained and it cost two nothing prospects 1st 2nd and 3rd then he grabbed McCabe and lafferty for a 1st and 2nd and two nobodies then also added schenn for peanuts. those were not dubas type guys but he adjusted and to this day that was the strongest lineup during the core 4 era and it’s not even close.

Fast forward to today we bring in tre he brings in a few guys half of them don’t even play and the current theme is to bring in players that are older past their primes and we signed them to multi year deals in hopes that they are good in the short term we let Mitch walk for basically nothing if you want to compare it to what the return should’ve/ could’ve been and while I like some of the moves the guys he brought in are all the same type of player for the most part bigger slower defensive minded. and we have seen what that has done to them best example was minny one dpairing crippled the leafs because they couldn’t keep up. So I guess what I’m saying was they shouldn't of let marner walk and let dubas try and correct his mess a bit… but also not go from fast skilled to basically the complete opposite they need to blend the two together.

At this point tree is gone along with the entire coaching staff sell off some guys and try and be aggressive in the offseason.

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27 Jan 2026 17:57:59
In all fairness, if Pitt was bottom of the League this year, I doubt any thinks this way. And lets remember, Dubas was planning on selling off this year and Crosby and company changed that possibly. It was Dubas who made a bunch of bad signings and trades when he had got the reigns in Pitt.

Saying we should have kept Dubas, who is now getting lucky in Pitt and fire Tre because he has really been unlucky this year, seems like revisionist history. Leafs have not been healthy since the season started. Tanev out almost all year. No one thought that would be the case. Nylander has missed time. Stolarz, Joshua, Laughton and Carlo have missed significant time. None of them are old guys. Matthews, for whatever reason had a horrible start and poor last year as well.

How was Dubas going to fix Matthews all of a sudden lack of scoring the last year +? Have you really looked at the roster the last season Dubas was in charge. Woll and Samsonov in net. Liljegren, Brodie, Timmins, Gio, Rielly and Holl on D. Kerfoot and Kampf playing 15 mins a night. Engvall and ZAR in the bottom 6. The guy who also gave us Malgin for that year. We needed Matt Murray to play games because Dubas thought Samsonov was a #1 goalie and he stunk.

As for Marner, Dubas left suddenly when the Leafs thought he was staying and they got Tre about a month before Marner's NMC kicked in. Why didn't Dubas trade him before he left? After he is long gone there is a report he wanted to trade Marner. Let's remember, Dubas himself said his biggest regret was the Malgin trade. He didn't say his biggest regret was keeping the core 4 together. It was him who said "We can and we will. " It is doubtful he would have traded Marner before the NMC he gave Marner was going to kick in. And if you believe Shanny wouldn't let him, then you have to believe he wouldn't let Tre either. Although, we do know Tre tried to trade Marner when it was clear Marner was leaving, and Marner wouldn't waive.

I think you are reaching here big time in regards to Dubas. Tre was also the one in charge last year when the Leafs took Florida to game 7 in the 2nd round.

27 Jan 2026 18:41:19
@RLF I respect your opinion but saying it was a reach is your opinion yes the injury bug is unlucky and I’m not saying everything dubas did was great but like I pointed out he adapted weather you believe dubas had total autonomy to make deals or not shanahan wouldn’t let his boys go as you stated dubas wanted to tear the pens down… after not making the playoffs for x amount of year and and aging team I think it was the right thing but Crosby didn’t want that so he bought some value contracts look at the season mantha and brazeau are having that was what dubas thrived at I’m not saying dubas was perfect but treliving hasn’t had a resume of success either and I think the leafs have turned into a version of the flames not as bad… but there’s still time I guess my worry is that treliving will not sell and this team will go no where and Matthews will walk for nothing just like Mitch.

27 Jan 2026 21:40:09
Goat. I respect your opinion as well. Facts are facts though. There is no proof Dubas wanted to trade Marner and was fired because of it. Plus, Pitt had just missed the playoffs for the 1st time in a while when Dubas took over. Most of us thought what Tre built for this year was really good and better than anything Dubas had done.
It just seems your post comes from recency bias and what looks like revisionist history.

In Toronto, Dubas was offered a new contract, so Shanny wasn't intending on firing him. Dubas apparently came back wanting more money and autonomy (Shanny denies it was about autonomy) . Now, does that mean Dubas definitely wanted to move Marner? No, but he wanted to do whatever he wanted and not answer to anyone I guess if autonomy is believed to be true. Was he changing his ways? Maybe some.
Yes, at the deadline in T. O. he grabbed vets with some grit at the end. Didn't retain any though. They walked.

In Pitt he signed Ryan Graves at 6X$4.5M and Jarry 5X$5.375M. He just gave Lizotte 3X$2.25M. Other than that he re-signed Sid, which wouldn't have been too hard. Others are just 1 year deals and yes, he bargain bin shops well. Doesn't look much different than what he did on Toronto to me.

He traded for Dumba. He traded Glass for a guy not even in the NHL. He traded Guentzal and Smith for pretty much what turned out to be nothing. That's not good. He traded for Karlsson, which has worked out well for him. Who has he really signed or acquired that shows he has really changed?

No one picked Pitt to do well this year and Pitt was apparently selling assets, but they have overachieved. That selling off was said to have come from Dubas, so he didn't even believe in the team he built for this year. So yes, I would call that lucky and not skill. If Pitt sucks next year, is Dubas still the guy we should have kept?

Tre has got his teams farther in the playoffs than Dubas has, so if we are looking at success, Tre has him beat. Tre made it to the 2nd round twice in Calgary and once in Toronto. Dubas has made the 2nd round once.

28 Jan 2026 02:13:04
@Goat i really don't see this the same way. Dubas had no way of knowing that goaltending tandem would catch fire or that the big senior citizens in Pitts would all look 25 again.

Most things Dubas has done over there have looked horrible imo.

27 Jan 2026 14:17:23
I think the Leafs need 8pts minimum out of these next 5 games before the Olympic break and no matter what, don't add anything. If they get less than 6 pts, it's time to sell off. Jarnkrok, Robertson and whoever else they don't intend on re-signing. McMann, Laughton, Maccelli, Stetcher and guys like Benoit and Roy that don't have a lot of term left.

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26 Jan 2026 10:02:55
I was looking at the Reilly buyout.

It would cost the leafs 3.5m on the cap for the next 4 years and they would save 4m then after that for the following 4 years it would cost the leafs 2m

Is it worth it? Imo if he’s not willing to waive I don’t see how else you go about it. My be bad PR but look how Vegas operates guys still wanna go there. 4m gets you a decent player just saying.

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26 Jan 2026 10:57:42
I agree that Reilly needs to move but can we talk about the elephant in the room? McCabe has been killing us with these massive turnovers leading to goals and it’s happening every game. Not sure what’s going on in his head as he usually my favourite D. Not as physical and terrible game changing turnovers. It’s like he is turning into Reilly.

27 Jan 2026 13:05:56
Interesting on the buyout idea. Could be a bargaining chip with him if they really want to move him. As long as Leafs will sign off on the buyout, it's either give us some teams you will go to, or we buy you out this summer. Let him choose.

27 Jan 2026 13:11:10
Yea, McCabe. Like I said days ago, who stole his hockey brain? It's been a while now he has been making really stupid plays.

27 Jan 2026 18:43:20
I think it’s simple with McCabe he’s always been a complimentary player the leafs are asking him to carry that blue line and he can’t it’s not his game.

25 Jan 2026 23:02:16
Hey Pelly,
Wake up!
Fire this sleeping idiot of a GM and find someone who knows how to negotiate a trade and accurately cares about this team.

This idiot has not made any changes since July 4th 2025.
He put Kampf on waives in What November to buy him out.

Kampf, Domi, and Jarnkoc should have been put on waviers in July.

Also he knows Rielly sucks so ask him to give him a list of where this idiot will play and get rid of him and his salary.

This Management is the worst it has ever been clean house and get an Ex Leaf to run operations.

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26 Jan 2026 13:58:35
You mean John Ferguson Jr?

25 Jan 2026 20:14:42
Time for Berube to go boys!

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25 Jan 2026 10:17:07
So here’s a question can bobby mcmann fetch the leafs a 1st round pick… looking at what the leafs paid for Laughton last year I don’t see why not Laughton had 11g 16a in 60gp there was retention and another year on his deal but mcmann doesn’t need retention he makes so little and he got 16g 10a 50gp. Then I look at maccelli and Robertson both RFA’s marking next to nothing what value do they hold?

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25 Jan 2026 23:42:40
Yes, I believe McMann could return a 1st.

26 Jan 2026 01:00:04
I doubt he gets a first in the last year of his deal unless he is resigned. Why would we want to trade Bobby anyway? Berube doesn’t play him enough. 3rd fastest guy in the league and he never plays 3 on 3, PK and barely gets PP time. Send Easton down and give Bobby the opportunity on PP 1 over Maccelli. McMann should be on PK 2 with Mathews or Roy and he should be rolling out 2nd or 3rd in 3 on 3 overtime. Rely on your bulls in McMann and Knies (when healthy)

26 Jan 2026 08:57:55
@clarky I don’t disagree with you that they don’t use mcmann properly but that’s kind of my point too why keep a guy they don’t wanna use it the spots he would thrive in. My point is this he’s gonna be turning 30 and his contract is looking like 4-5 mil per it’s a risk imo and right now outside of Matthews and nylander he’s our best trade chip this year but also we can trade him and resign him in the offseason as well but the leafs need to get some picks back.

26 Jan 2026 14:03:48
I agree Clarky that it is a real sin that he gats zero OT time with his speed!

I think Tavares should get more as well. He’s very good with the puck and while average speed he’s knows when to use what he has.

On getting a first, many teams will pay that if they believe they are one piece shy of winning.

I’d shop him for sure. The leafs are going nowhere.

27 Jan 2026 13:09:02
It's funny because in average, every line McMann plays on looks more dangerous when he is on it. Last game the Matthews line with Knies on it, wasn't as good but JT's line looked better with McMann on it. Can't teach size and can't teach his speed. I wish he played with a little more anger like Laughton, but if McMann is willing to stay for around the $4M mark, I would re-sign him.

24 Jan 2026 02:44:19
It’s over if you can’t get up for that game then you never will stolarz was ok but should of never played I don’t trust anyone on this team mcmann maccelli Benoit stecher Robertson can all go hope we can get back pIcks and prospects.

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24 Jan 2026 04:31:14
A lot of truth to that Goat.
The big question to me is, when did McCabe get a lobotomy? It's like someone stole his hockey brain over the last about 10 games. He was responsible for 2 goals against tonight including the 5th goal which sunk the comeback effort. He is a liability right now.

24 Jan 2026 10:18:48
@RLF that play on the fifth goal was Reilly like lol when it comes to McCabe I think he will be alright I just think a lot of the high pressure moments have been put on him out there and he’s just not that player. My other gripe would be why did berube split up him and stecher when they played so well together during the best part of the leafs season. Hence why I don’t trust the coaching staff.

24 Jan 2026 12:36:19
I think Rielly will waive his no-move contract this year.
I mean how much negativity can one person take?
He’s without any ability on the defensive side of things and his offence is dwindling AND he knows it.
I would bet his figuring skating star wife is saying to Morgan “please honey let’s move, you don’t deserve this abuse”.
And you all know ‘our wives know better’.
LOL.

22 Jan 2026 17:25:30
As I've said before, I have less and less confidence in Berube. He seems to making making the most bone head moves.
I really hope he's not back next year.
That's all I want to say.

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22 Jan 2026 22:15:41
I really liked bringing Cheif in at the time it was announced, but I am starting to sour a bit. Some of the decisions he's making have lost me as well.

Most recently, Woll is a tandem goalie. Whenever he has to many starts in a row he looks like poo. Why is he not trading off with Hildebeast who has been great?

23 Jan 2026 13:06:12
I am not for letting him go yet, but agreed that some decisions are real headscratchers.

24 Jan 2026 12:38:59
Yeah, they are head scratchers for sure AND Berube has a winning pedigree as coach.

Unfortunately for him, he’s tied to Tre who will be replaced at the end of the season if the Leafs miss the playoffs.

And the new GM will seek another with whom he is comfortable.

22 Jan 2026 12:28:51
The Red Wings were much faster and more tenacious than the Leafs last night.
Woll was strong for sure but luck helped at least twice. He was often out of position and the puck hit him versus being saved.
And McMann has seemingly entered a period of laziness and ineffectiveness. He needs to be more consistent.

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23 Jan 2026 13:15:04
I thought it was pretty even for the first 2 periods. After that, it looked like the Leafs just played not to lose, over playing to win.
McMann when he gets a little angry is his best version. After he took that knee, he was more physical and a little nasty. He needs to find that anger more, but hard to do on a team that too many forwards don't play angry.
As much as the Laughton trade has been trashed by many, I like Laughton and would love the Leafs to get more guys with his attitude. He's a gamer. He's a playoff type guy. Doesn't play afraid. Not a guy the Leafs can afford to let walk imo. (cost to resign obviously a factor) .

23 Jan 2026 13:48:03
So then let’s have Domi slap McMann in the face before each period!
And to make sure it works McCabe can whack him on the helmet as he sits on the bench.
Avoid concussion tho’!
Laughton has added value to the team this year with his PK, physical play and FOs.

23 Jan 2026 14:26:59
Lol. Maybe they should Rsears.

22 Jan 2026 02:53:12
It makes zero effing sense that berube doesn’t use Laughton Roy or mcmann in overtime instead you put a rookie out there and Robertson and maccelli wake up!

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22 Jan 2026 12:24:04
Cannot agree more Goat!

I like Cowan but his giveaways, weak penalties and untimely stumbles are too costly. Let him learn and grow in the AHL.

As far as I’m concerned the Marlies have several proven former NHL players that could deliver his offence without blatant miscues.

22 Jan 2026 15:37:11
@randy I’m not saying demote him just simply put him in better situations.

22 Jan 2026 16:26:57
100% agreed Goat2.0.

22 Jan 2026 21:51:10
Okay gents, understand your position.

I was perhaps more harsh than needed.

But I think Travis Boyd would be a decent option on the L3 in his place. Hi energy guy, strong forecheck and good net front presence with some offence.

It’s certainly an option to sit Cowan on the bench in OT. But a different option might be giving that very OT experience in an environment where he can be successful.

22 Jan 2026 22:16:24
This was an odd decision. Totally agree.

23 Jan 2026 13:10:20
Yes, his choice in overtime usage is baffling. Matthews, Nylander and Maccelli I understand. Speed and skill. Maccelli knows when to shoot over pass better than Domi and holds the puck really well. Why McMann isn't given any OT time I can't understand. Play Cowan and Robertson over a guy that can literally skate past everyone in OT. With that much ice available, you would think McMann's assets would be most useful.
This isn't recency bias, I have said this before.

 


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