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11 Jun 2026 15:50:47
What if Toronto offered Micheal McLeod a contract close to the league minimum? He would fit perfectly on the fourth line because of his great faceoff ability, and he could rotate the fourth-center role with Jacob Quillan.
Michael McLeod can definitely terminate his KHL contract if a better opportunity comes up.
11 Jun 2026 22:44:26
I think a McLeod signing has been suggested recently.
I’m in at the minimum.
09 Jun 2026 21:46:30
BE REALISTIC.! WOLL and Reilly get you BOUCHARD.!?!? Are you stoned or just a wannabe hockey fan.!!?!?!
Jarnkrok is a UFA.!
Carlo gets you Harley and Lundkvist.??
come on how high are you.?? Dallas would laugh.!!
Too much to list.! All of you seem to not know anything about hockey.! That’s why
10 Jun 2026 09:02:26
Are you mad that you came to a trade forum that posts hypothetical (not real trades)? The Leafs GM doesn’t come in here to get trade ideas lol.
10 Jun 2026 22:15:21
@Goat Dubas used to lol. We always joked about that.
09 Jun 2026 20:40:20
LHD3rd I had to make an account to tell you how ridiculous your trades were.!
Carlo and a UFA Jarnkrok lol they could just sign him but if Any of you on here actually knew anything about hockey knows he’s signing in the SHL.!
You think that could get you T.
Harley.? and Lundkvist.? Add ALOT MORE.! ALOT.!
Dallas would think you high AS F…
The trades on here are so one sided as you think Reilly can get us much.? Maybe a 3rd and a low end prospect.!
Too many bad trades on here.! since I’ve been watching you 7-8 people only on here.!
BE REALISTIC.! All of you.!
08 Jun 2026 23:09:25.
I have to say I’m more than a bit interested in Pavelski as coach?
Young, only three years retired I think, very accomplished as a player.
Overachieved as suggested by being picked in his draft year at #205!
Wore a letter for 9 of his 18 seasons.
And, of course, we are all aware of Martin St. Louis not having pro coaching experience.
Maybe that’s why there are assistants! LOL.
08 Jun 2026 23:24:04
Idk how I feel about it.
As you said, St.Louis just retired and is now more accomplished than the last three Leafs coached (as their coaches).
Whoever they hire is the last one this group gets, so they better be sure though.
I would personally be fine with Pavelski as other "normal" coaches did nothing.
09 Jun 2026 14:10:42
I would say I’m not against it, but think he might be a better fit as assistant there. No real idea of what the Leafs are looking for, so it’s hard to say. There were rumours that they had their guy last Friday and he just signed in LA, so who knows. Cassidy might be the guy imo. Vegas kinda owes us anyways.
09 Jun 2026 20:47:53
I read, as most perhaps have, an article by Terry Koshan in Toronto Star today about what Peter DeBoer and Steve Spott said about Pavelski.
Based on their glowing comments, which I believe but would try to vet, I’d make an offer and get other things moving.
11 Jun 2026 00:40:43
@Randy Read the same article.
Based on this group, I would also be fine with it. Let him have a crack and see how it goes.
08 Jun 2026 16:24:14
Anyone else think Verhoff goes #2 this draft?
10 Jun 2026 09:06:51
No, he was very highly touted, but I think him going to the NCAA exposed some of his weaknesses, mainly his skating. I can see him going too 5, but I think there’s guys who are ahead of him. Personally, I think the Sharks should draft Carels. I think he’s the best all around Dman in this draft.
07 Jun 2026 14:05:29
Marner may have permanently silenced all his critics!
Three things I believe in the Marner story:
1. Leafs totally mismanaged his career.
2. He’s a whiner.
3. He’s a great hockey player that every team should want.
08 Jun 2026 00:12:18
I don't really disagree except for #1. How did the Leafs mismanage his career?
08 Jun 2026 13:39:25
A legitimate question and worthy of good arguments on each side, for certain.
For me, I’m not letting a player like Marner leave.
The NHLPA and player’s position these days perhaps gives them power they don’t deserve. I get that.
The Leafs needed to shelter and protect Marner and his family (not referring to his father) from the media and public backlash. He was the scapegoat everyone needed since he was their 2nd biggest star, if not #1.
Approaching him to waive his NTC, in my view, was another mistake. It makes me think of the picture of the cow sticking its head through the fence to get to the “greener grass” on the other side.
Be happy with what you have and build around it would have been my approach.
These two things created a “divorce waiting to happen” and it did. Marner said he would test the free agent market and he did.
I hate his whining and remember well when he tossed his gloves behind the bench when Nylander, with all his warts, told him it wasn’t Junior hockey.
You don’t let your best players go is my point, I guess. I think it could have been avoided. Sitting with someone and having a good open dialogue is always the first step.
Unfortunately it’s water under the bridge.
And btw, I am interested in your view as well.
08 Jun 2026 16:09:19
@Randy
I don't see it as mismanaged because he left.
I think people forget that Mitchy was the fan favourite on this team until he flew around looking for offer sheets. That contract coming out of ELC and all the things that went along with it was insane. I understand he felt slighted, but it really cemented him as a whiner. He wanted what Mathews had, but was never the same calibre of player.
We can't all pretend that Nylander is some golden boy though, right? I've heard far more people crapping on Willy over the years than I ever did Mitch. Willy just doesn't care.
I agree somewhat on mismanagement.
He didn't get his ELC bonuses at a time when it made zero difference if he did or not, Babs was clearly a dick head to the kid, and they should have handled his situation better.
I really don't think Marner has the personality for Toronto. He looks more relaxed in Vegas (even under Torts lol).
This team also was never going to succeed with or without him as constructed. Marner needed to go after the MTL series because something needed to be done, this team beat it's head against a wall running it back for 10 years with the same guys.
So, let me ask you, is asking Rielly to waive also bad then?
08 Jun 2026 22:37:28
LL
So I’m not sure what you’re saying because you seem to contradict your opening statement in paragraph.
Agreed that the Leafs, even with Marner, needed to be reconstructed. It wasn’t only his fault the team failed.
I also agree Nylander has his warts but I do think he cares! He just has a bit of fright in him in certain situations and annoys the hell out of me when he makes zero effort at times during a game.
Marner looks more relaxed as you state and certainly is motivated to prove to the Leafs he was not the problem.
As for Reilly, the answer is No. He’s served his tenure but his biggest strength, his speed, has waned. And, of course, he was always bad defensively. His situation is not at all like the Marner situation.
08 Jun 2026 22:57:39
Paragraph #4
08 Jun 2026 23:34:59
@Randy You got me there lol.
The issue is, I am very torn on this situation.
The more I thought about it, the more I realize he was mismanaged, I just dislike the term as a whole when it comes to Mitchy.
He deserves all of the hate here received from the fan base in Toronto, but he also does have his reasons to be mad at organization as well.
08 Jun 2026 23:44:45
Yup, I think it was a complicated situation and certainly one where we don’t have all the facts.
09 Jun 2026 03:26:52
@Randy Good conversation though.
09 Jun 2026 16:38:10
I am going to do this bottom up and it's long so I apologize in advance. There's a lot to look at here.
1. Yes, he is a great talent. But I also believe he doesn't have the best attituded and that hurt his overall value to a team. Marner rarely took real responsibility for his on ice play when he didn't perform and often made off-ice comments that rubbed people the wrong way.
2. Totally agree. Something I have said for years. Constantly whined to the refs, wasn't against throwing a temper tantrum and you could even hear whining in some of his interviews.
3. This is very debatable imo.
I have read all comments and I think Randy summed it up best when he said it is complicated and we do not have all the facts. That said, I personally don't see mismanagement as a problem. Except for how Babcock was, who was fired, I am trying to find mismanagement. Let's also remember that the Leaf organization is often lauded for how well they treat their players and that they are given everything they could possibly need to succeed.
Mitch demanded Matthews type money and got it.
He wanted a no move in that contract as soon as eligible, he got it. Neither Dubas or Treliving (when he got here) traded Marner because even publicly, Marner said he wanted to remain a Leaf and therefore would sign an extension. We now know this was not true.
As for Marner leaving, it was widely reported that at the beginning of his last season, the Leafs were wanting to negotiate a contract extension that would have paid him more than Matthews as they didn't want to lose Marner for nothing and valued him. But Marner and his camp wouldn't discuss one during the season. By this time, his full NMC had kicked in.
Apparently the Leafs tried to engage and Marner refused. He even said publicly he didn't want to discuss it during the season, but loved it in Toronto and wanted to stay. Let's remember, at this point, Marner had already been talking to other players about Vegas. As the trade deadline approached and Marner would still not discuss an extension, the Leafs asked him to waive his no trade. He reused. I would wager that the leafs were now aware of his research on Vegas and were leaning toward he wasn't planning on coming back, so they tried to get a return worthy of his value.
Then the playoffs happen and Marner is not noticeable again in the two series through games 5-7. Fans are angry at his performance, but also his lack of taking accountability for his own play. Game 7, he is yelling at his teammates to "wake the * up" when he was doing nothing himself. A small number of the fan base target him specifically for the team failure. Over the top, but not necessarily unwarranted. Marner blames the fans for his reason for wanting to leave Toronto due to safety concerns. Again, not really the truth from Mitch.
Post trade. Marner then says things started to go bad in Toronto about two years prior to leaving. It is confirmed from other players that he asked them about Vegas prior to and during the season. He did all this well before he ever said anything about not feeling safe in Toronto. He did this while saying he wanted to stay in Toronto. He now claims there were dark times in Toronto. But what he still hasn't done, is really take any responsibility.
In Vegas, he wasn't noticeable the first 5 games of the playoffs. Others picked up his slack. Unlike in Toronto, because he was new and there is no history of his failures with that team, people come to his defense. No real media backlash because they weren't losing and Marner has no history there. Mitch then starts to pick up his game to what we would have hoped to see in Toronto and may very well win the Conn Smythe. I read the point that he wanted to show Toronto he wasn't the problem.
Well, if he played in Toronto like he has in Vegas, he would have been carried on peoples shoulders like a hero. I agree that Marner doesn't have the mental toughness to play in Toronto and can be overly emotional.
So, I have trouble seeing the mismanagement of Marner's career by the Leafs. They gave him everything, including the money he wanted. He was the one who started looking elsewhere behind managements back. He said he wanted to stay until his NMC kicked in and then he could pick where he wanted to go is my guess. Do we believe he would have also nixed a TDL trade to Veags?
I think he would have waived his NMC. He blamed Leafs fans and has now hinted it goes deeper than just the fans. Through all this, the Leafs organization has never taken a shot at Mitch. Marner orchestrated his departure and even though he knew he was leaving, wouldn't accept a trade that would have given the Leafs a good return for him. I see a self interested guy with a sense of entitlement.
Very good hockey player with excellent skills, but I don't see a lot of good character. The organization that some may feel mismanaged him, is the organization that kept believing in him right up to the very end. As many know, I think the Leafs mismanagement was on their roster construction and should have moved on from Marner well before he could have blocked it. That is the mismanagement I see.
10 Jun 2026 00:52:18
A lot of thought went into this writeup; thank you.
And you might be correct in your views of orchestrating his departure.
I do agree there is a lack of good character in Marner and probably a sense of entitlement as well.
I think there is a lot of immaturity as well.
An interesting read!
10 Jun 2026 09:18:11
The Marner situation can be summed up in a few things but my stance is this: he’s just a mentally weak player and being from Toronto he couldn’t handle that pressure. We saw it on the ice; when it mattered most he disappeared. We saw it in media scrums when he said things like “we are treated like gods” but then recently said there were some dark times in Toronto. This guy held all the cards last year and knew he was leaving and I truly believe the only way he would of stayed was if they would of made a run. The Leafs did the right thing.
They offered a contract to him which paid him more than what he got in Vegas and he said no thanks and then continued to hold them hostage and not waive his NMC. Yes his wife was pregnant but dude you’re a millionaire I’m sure you could of figured that out… But to end my rant I’ll say this: he went to a smaller market where the cameras aren’t as many and it’s just a better built team around him. He will always be a stain on this market for how he left and that’s in him even tho everyone trying to blame the market and the fans.
11 Jun 2026 14:14:53
I am not going to go into a long post or extended debate on this. I would like though to see the substantiated proof that he asked other players about Vegas prior to and during the season.
11 Jun 2026 16:13:23
Ryan Reaves, for one, did an interview where he talked about it. He said Marner asked him about what Vegas was like to play/live there etc.
11 Jun 2026 16:39:44
Yeah he asked him towards the end of June and the deal happened June 30. That’s not prior or during the season.
11 Jun 2026 19:28:46
Do I have Mitch Marner secretly recorded saying it was all planned? Of course not. But there are lots of indicators and facts to support the conclusion.
Matthews and Nylander both signed extensions well before their contract was up. Marner would not negotiate even though it was reported the Leafs wanted to before his last season started.
It was also reported in the summer of 24 that Marner's camp was concerned after the Nylander signing that Leafs now couldn't afford Marner's ask and they started thinking about other options for their future.
Before Marner's NMC kicked in the summer of 24, reports were that the Leafs were listening to offers because Marner wouldn't talk new contract. This then ticked off Marner's camp and they started discretely looking into other destinations was reported.
December 2024. Marner reportedly turns down an offer of 8 years around $14M.
4 Nations Cup February 25. Marner is talking to Vegas players about life in Vegas. His camp says just casual conversation, not because he wants to play there. So talking to players there about Vegas is confirmed and is in season.
TDL 2025. McCrimmon has now revealed he was interested in Marner for a long time and tried to put together a 3 team deal that never ended up going through at that TDL.
Do you honestly believe this has nothing to do with his conversations at the 4 Nations and Marner's camp never heard McCrimmon wanted him prior to this?
June 25. He reaches our to players including Reaves for what seems like reassurance about his thinking of going there. Days later, the trade happens. Marner is taken to the wood chipper because he blames fans, the media etc.
Although some are reports, some have been corroborated. 4 Nations talks. TDL trade attempt. McCrimmon wanting him for a long time. Talking to other players end of 2025 season.
You can think what ever you want suffering. It's not hard to connect the dots though imo. Especially since Marner's camp refused to negotiate prior to and during his final season. They said they want to play out the contract. Matthews and Nylander re-signed way early. Guys that want to wait are usually looking to leave and there is too much smoke and some known fire around Marner to think he didn't decide until late June 2025. Too much coincidence that he ended up in Vegas.
11 Jun 2026 20:04:15
4 Nations was never corroborated and the reportedly 8 years, as you said yourself, was reportedly. We never know the real story. My last word on this is... Why wouldn’t he stick to the story he wanted to come back? He could sense the mood changing and management kept saying they wanted him back. Then they tried the deadline deal with Carolina. He owed management nothing. He signed his contract. He fulfilled it. He was a free agent and took the offer.
He was entitled to do so legally. He watched as Kadri was promised he was getting traded and then within weeks was moving. So he knew this trust between management and plasters only exists as a facade. I have 2 friends who are player agents and they say to the kids they first take on “Enjoy the first 3 years of your Entry level time as a player because after that it is not just a game, it’s a game with a tough business edge and not quite as fun.”
11 Jun 2026 20:35:47
After Marner was traded, he admitted he spoke with Vegas players at the 4 Nations. I'm not going to say anymore. You have your thoughts and no matter what facts I show, it doesn't mean squat. I can only imagine what your reaction would be if every time you posted something, posters asked for substantiated proof of what you claim.
Like, Who are these agents you claim to know? Name them. I need proof. lol
12 Jun 2026 00:19:10
Yeah, like they need you contacting them. I never disclose anything they tell me in confidence at all.
Where and when did Marner say he talked to Vegas players at the 4 Nations? I’d like to read or listen to the context of it.
12 Jun 2026 13:30:39
And yes I know he mentioned he and his wife talked to Stone and Hill as she was curious about life in Vegas etc.
Players do that all the time at functions like that and more so even at All Star games.
Auston Matthews and his Team USA teammates utilized their Olympic village downtime in Milan to host casual, daily group meetings. During these sessions, players shared stories about their respective hometowns, discussed their everyday NHL franchises, and bonded over the shared Olympic experience.
According to NHL.com
In a way every guy on that team got info about almost half the franchises in the NHL. Just a common thing these days. Not like the old days where players had such grudges they might go 10 years after retiring to even say hello to another ex NHL player. Different world now.
06 Jun 2026 22:47:51
Golf town, can you stop spamming the site with crappy trades please? Have to go to the 2nd page to see anything decent. Think real hard and come up with 1 good one each day and post it and leave the rest as thoughts in your head.
07 Jun 2026 15:44:18
Then don’t read them
07 Jun 2026 16:09:18
I try not to but when they take up the whole page, it’s annoying.
06 Jun 2026 20:35:29
Reading the totally horrible Knies trade to the Habs that almost happened
So glad that Tredeadthing got canned
06 Jun 2026 22:25:22
Why is that horrible?
2 1sts, KHL rookie of the year and a prospect, for Knies. That actually strikes me as an overpay by MTL.
I understand the community is very divided on this, but I would have done that jn a heart beat.
06 Jun 2026 22:55:49
It’s not LL. Habs are probably gonna be final 4 for the next couple years, so those picks will pretty much be 2nds. Yes the KHL kid is good but we have enough talent. We need heart, guys to get in front of the net and in the corners. Knies is almost untouchable for me, it would take a massive overpay and this ain’t it.
Why do you guys think every team is willing to pay this much? Kid is the real deal. KHL kid doesn’t pan out over here and you’re stuck with 2 late 1sts for Knies and a bunch of soft perimeter players.
06 Jun 2026 23:18:54
@clarky
I completely understand the opposite perspective, I just don't see this team going anywhere with or without Knies.
By the time Knies' contract is up, I don't see him staying in Toronto or as a valuable asset.
07 Jun 2026 00:55:43
I respect your opinion LL, but I see him as our next captain once Matthews leaves. May entice him to stay especially if they can build a decent product around him. He is only 24, if he was closer to 30, I’d agree with you.
07 Jun 2026 03:49:33
@Clarky I agree it may entice Matthews to stay, but will that matter?
Matthews is nearing 30 and has won nothing in the playoffs.
If Knies gets the equivalent (to me) of 3 first rounders + how is that a bad deal?
07 Jun 2026 10:25:43
Regardless of the package, why on earth would they trade knies who’s young and locked up on a great contract to a division rival thinking back at treliving's time with the leafs he traded a top prospect and a 1st for a 4-5 dman got nothing for Mitch Marner and almost traded knies to a division rival to me that guy should never be a gm in the nhl again.
07 Jun 2026 16:07:09
@LL I’m not enticing Matthews to stay, I actually prefer they trade him and start the rebuild (and Nylander). I was enticing Knies to stay by him being our next captain once they trade Matthews.
03 Jun 2026 18:41:12
Why not Sergei Federov as coach
He is a championship winning GM and Coach. Has won everything possible in the NHL and is highly respected across the league.
Is a perfect coach for a player like Matthews.
Head Coach: Federov
Assistants:
Paul Coffey - Defensive guru. Edmonton played exponentially better whenever he was on their bench.
Ralph Kruger - head coaching experience, international experience, has record on young teams, has experience in sports world on a global level. Also panelist on the Int Monetary Fund. Reputation as a fantastic communicator.
02 Jun 2026 06:46:04
Let’s sign a few more vets in free agency and add them to support Matthews and Nylander and Rielly as we have had such incredible playoff success with those three.
I’m thinking with our cap space we could add the likes of
Patty Kane - age 38
Evander Kane - age 35
Nick Foligno - age 38
Corey Perry - age 41
David Perron - age 38
On defence we add
John Carlson
Luke Schenn
Anyone over 35 is what I’m after
Younger does not mean better, right?
Remember let’s stick with the vets.
Add to the big three I mentioned above and we will definitely go places and maintain that level of consistency we have enjoyed these past 9-10 years.
Holding on to Matthews and Nylander and Rielly is the only way.
I firmly believe this core can win.
We just need improvements on d especially.
But yeah this core can win, we need to support them and surround and shelter them with better vets.
Because adding the likes of Marleau and Thornton and even Foligno and Boyle got us where we needed to go.
01 Jun 2026 23:39:32
Treliving asleep at the wheel again
Pridham off to Tampa Bay
Oh wait
I digress….
😏😂
Still waiting for a leafsgm78 trade post though…….🤔
02 Jun 2026 14:36:20
Leafs never had a shot at Pridham. He was never going to sign with Chicago with their depth of younger players and draft picks. So let’s see ... who has one of the worst depth if prospects in the NHL? Yes... Tampa. To go back in the draft didn’t make sense because he could get drafted by a similar team with lots of prospects looking to stock up even more. His “Family Advisor” most likely had an intermediary (Hmmmm Sam Reilly perhaps) tell Tampa that Pridham was very open to joining their organization.
By committing to the NCAA he now gives Tampa the luxury of having 4 years to sign him. With his resume he will also get a decent NIL contract (not McKenna $ but probably in the $200,000 -$250,000 which would be more that if he signed a ELC and spent a year or 2 in the minors). Word is Denver is his most likely landing spot. Denver and North Dakota and going hard for Landon DuPont as well. If Denver grabs both that would be insane.