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21 Sep 2021 14:20:59
Blues offer for rielly

STL- Scandella 1st 2023 Sanford
for
TOR - reilly

lhd replacement on cheap, big bodied 2/ 3lw who can score and play the physical game that tor needs. 1st in good draft.

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21 Sep 2021 15:11:14
Replace Sanford with Thomas since after this deal you can’t afford him anyways.

21 Sep 2021 15:34:39
Tor: Reilly 1.5 retain
Stl: Thomas bortuzzo 1st 2022.

21 Sep 2021 16:52:51
Sanford has never been more than a 3-4LW for the Blues. That said, unless he has a breakout season he shouldn't cost much more if at all than what he currently makes. Scandella is solid. The 1st is not reliant on a re-sign, cap is about even, so Yea, I would do this.
Good prop Colt.

21 Sep 2021 19:05:48
Thomas will never be apart of a rental pending ufa trade. The fact that leafs and randy ask is laughable at best. The 1st. A solid dman in return signed for a few years on great aav with sanford a 2/ 3 lw who makes 2 mil now and is not going to need much more with a first in a great draft. That is by far a great proposal.

i am glad soomeone thinks so on the leafs.

21 Sep 2021 19:08:40
leafs1994

Thomas by himself would cost more then reilly so you prop is a joke.

21 Sep 2021 22:25:46
Pretty good prop Hotwing. I like this one.

22 Sep 2021 12:53:14
Lol ok him and his 12 points last year is elite.

22 Sep 2021 13:24:37
Faulk brought back
Edmondson (27yr unsigned) Bokk (same year 1st rd) and a 1st

So rielly brings back
Bortuzzo (32yr 1yr) bolduc (same year 1st rd) and 1st rd pick bare minimum

Edmondson was younger than bortuzzo is so blues might need to add another prospect or pick

Anything less and just leave Colt.

22 Sep 2021 14:03:30
Let's look at the value

Scandella > borts
Sanford > bolduc
1st

I am sorry ypu want pieces unavailable but that's the offer and looks like several others like it. Also the cap doesn't work in your trade lol.

22 Sep 2021 16:48:19
The Faulk deal seems to have some facts wrong as I remember thinking at the time how little it took to get him since he immediately signed a 6 year deal (which had to be in place pre-trade) . Edmundson was also on an expiring contract like Faulk. Edmundson then signed in free agency to Mtl at end of season. Canes got only 1 season from him.

The deal was

To Stl
Faulk (pending UFA) and a 5th
To
Car
Edmundson (pending UFA), Bokk (recent 25th overall pick) and a 7th round pick.

Rielly for Scandella (signed for 3 more seasons), Sanford (pending UFA) and a 1st (may be better than 25th or similar) is worth more than what the Canes got for Faulk IMO. Faulk had to already agree to a contract ahead of time for them to even get that and the Canes swapped out a 5th for a 7th.

With no sign and trade in place, this is fair for Rielly and better than what Faulk returned.

22 Sep 2021 17:24:57
Thanks for clarifying that for us. Also to clarify the 1st would be 2023 not this years.

22 Sep 2021 19:04:59
I don't agree with you often, but this seems like a good deal for both teams. Maybe now that you are in Seattle and they gave you the big bucks, there is less allegiance to the Blues. lol
Blues get an elite top 4 for at least one season. Leafs get 3 cost controlled vet D for the next 3 seasons (Brodie, Muzzin, Scandella) . They can decide to put money into either Sanford or Mikheyev end of season and we are weaker on the LW (or both if price is right) . The 1st in 2023 is not dependent on a re-sign, so assuming the Blues don't regress, should be in the 20's. Leafs don't lose Rielly for nothing and get two players for what he costs now cap wise.

Both teams benefit in the end. I give credit where it is due.

22 Sep 2021 20:08:36
To clarify, I meant the Blues top 4 as a group will be elite.

23 Sep 2021 20:59:27
The beauty thing about the Faulk trade was the hurricanes weren’t trapped with extra years of Edmondson and got a solid at the time prospect in Bokk.

Carolina got to test Edmondson out and when they went a different direction got a pick for him.

So same applies here. I assume Toronto will want to grab a nhl level dman with only 1 year left on him. They then can test him out. If he works they resign him if not they move on and might get a pick for him. Add in a recent 1st rounder by the blues and I can’t see why not the leafs might think about it.

Scandella and his extra years isn’t what I believe the leafs want especially at his price and age.

Not leafs fault if this trade isn’t cap compliant for the blues and it isn’t mine either. You suggested this trade so I’m Just stating what it might take for blues to get leafs to trade rielly.

Another nhl forward isn't but a forward prospect would be

Quite simple really even a non hockey fan can see how this logic works.

23 Sep 2021 23:45:45
You asked for bortuzzo 1st and bolduc. That's just not happening for a rental. You prop is a joke. Faulk cost book and edmundson and came with an extension so if you expect the trade you proposed then rielly better have an extension 6 ×7.

24 Sep 2021 08:38:17
Yeah I changed my proposal colt so the jokes on you

Bortuzzo Bolduc
For
Rielly

If rielly extended blues add 2nd as rielly is much better than Faulk.

24 Sep 2021 13:23:36
Blues are not trading bolduc for an expiring contract he is a center prospect and that is a need for blues. The offer i made is the only offer you get end of story. LOL no gm is going to give this for a rental they most likely won't be able to extend. You say that but faulk had a great season and actually plays defense. yes morgan got more points but his defensive numbers are lacking. Faulk only got bokk and he was not as highly regarded as bolduc. lol.

24 Sep 2021 13:25:26
final offer

Scandella 1st 2024 Zach Sanford.
for
Morgan rielly and Liljgren.

24 Sep 2021 14:34:51
You said same about Bokk until blues added Bokk. U insisted blues stent dealing Bokk to land an dman.

Look what happened 1 week after u insisted Bokk is untouchable.

24 Sep 2021 16:17:14
I never said that. Please shoe me where I said that. you can't cause I never didn't bokk wasn't a highly regarded prospect. At the time kyroy kostin perunovich were our top prospects and guess what you ain't getting kyrou kostin perunovich bolduc kessel galloway roberston for reilly and expiring contract.

In all honesty I could see the Blues offering a 1st for hampus lindolhm and calling it a day.

24 Sep 2021 16:31:38
U tell better stories than Walt Disney.

24 Sep 2021 18:10:50
ok blues say you can lose rielly for nothing. I honestly rather have a more defensive player in Lindholm. he will be cheaper.

25 Sep 2021 22:18:47
Finally it’s over.

20 Sep 2021 15:27:51
This is a bit out of the blue and would be a shocker in the sense where Rielly would end up. But aren't they often where we least expect.

Ott
Rielly $5M

Tor
Thomson ELC
Holden $1.7M
2021 4th (becomes a 2nd if Rielly re-signs)

Ottawa has a legit top pair, which may end up being one of the best in the League. If they can get Rielly to sign a deal that matches the one they gave Chabot 8X$8M, they are set for years at top pair. They have a lot of quality RD prospects, but lack LD. Rielly solves many problems for them.

Leafs get a really good RD prospect in Thomson that could man the PP one day because he has a good slap shot. He is pretty solid at both ends and has good speed. Holden helps reduce the loss of Rielly this year by adding a good sized physical presence on the backend. If Rielly re-signs, the 2nd should be a higher 2nd round pick. Leafs also clear $3.3M in cap space which they can use to add if they feel they lack somewhere.

Just my opinion, but it is a sleeper of a deal that could make a lot of sense for both teams.

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21 Sep 2021 00:23:56
I believe that Chabot, Brannstrom and the newly drafted Sanderson are all LD.
Bernard - Docker is RD.
This is why I was surprised that Ottawa picked Sanderson over Drysdale in the draft as a Chabot - Drysdale pairing seemed a natural.

21 Sep 2021 03:01:57
My bad. I'm not sure why I thought Chabot was a righty. Guess I should've checked. lol
Unless Chabot can play RD, this doesn't make a ton of sense for the Sens. I messed this one up.

20 Sep 2021 14:22:18
Multiple unconfirmed unreliable sources, say these are all done deals. Dubas wants Toronto to be the city of brotherly love.

Kefoot & Reilly to Chicago for Nylander & Dylan Strome.

Mikheyev & Amirov to NYR for Ryan Strome

Gogolev, Abramov, Woll, & 2nd & 3rd rd pick in 2022 to Ottawa for Brady Tkachuk.

Liljegren, Robertson & a 1st rd pick in 2022 & 2023 to Calgary for Mathew Tkachuk

Gusev Matthews Marner
M. Tkachuk Tavares B. Tkachuk
W. Nylander R. Strome A. Nylander
Bunting D. Strome Simmonds

Reserves : Spezza, Brooks,

Sandin Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Kokkonen
Niemela

Campbell Mzarek

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20 Sep 2021 15:28:50
Fun read, but I think you need to give up a lot more to get Brady T.

21 Sep 2021 15:12:12
Probably swap the tkachuk deals and it’s closer.

22 Sep 2021 12:20:36
Guess this is in a non cap world lol.

22 Sep 2021 16:49:13
@ T-buds. You don't think this will fit under the cap? lol.

19 Sep 2021 05:55:32
To Tor
Subban (44%reyain NJ)
McLeod
Mukhamadullin

To NJ
Rielly
Mikheyev
Engvall

Leafs save 1.925 in cap on this deal but gain a big Amirov bodyguard and solid dman prospect for jersey to get Rielly in their possession for next deal. Engvall rejoins his Calder cup MVP linemate buddy johnsson see if they can get some chemistry going. Mikheyev gets a better shot at top 6 in jersey

To Van
Rielly(50% retain NJ)
Zacha
Holtz

To NJ
Hughes
Ferland

Vancouver has 10.66 to sigh 2 6-8M guys. Hughes can't be offer sheeted.yes ferland can be put on LTIR but even that leaves Vancouver tight and unable to accumulate cap for deadline deals.

Rielly goes home at 2.5 with jersey takin in half his cap. Throw in the 1.25 saved in ferland for Zacha and now Vancouver has 9.41 to sign Petterson and have left over cap space to improve team in season. Add on Holtz as an indent I've and I think Vancouver might just do this

Jersey end up 5.68 added to their cap which has 12.167 so they have 6.4 to sign Hughes and if he comes in close to 7 or maybe 8 they have ferland contract they can put on LTIR

Yes jersey gives up a 2 former 1st rounder to make this happen and retain 5.5 in total but it's only for 1 year which is a who cares year for them. I mean now all 3 Hughes boys.. yeah it's worth it

Graves Hamilton
Hughes severson

Johnsson Engvall Mikheyev (great 3rd line)
Ferland when healthy solid add

OEL Myers
Rielly harmonic
Rathborn Poolman

Zacha in top 9
Holtz future top 6

Then

Ritchie Matthews marner
Gusev Tavares nylander
Kerfoot kampf Kase
Simmonds spezza McLeod
Bunting Brooks Gabriel

Muzzin Brodie
Dermott subban
Sandin Holl
Liljegren

Mukhamadullin in the future

Haha long read

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19 Sep 2021 18:04:48
I really like this, but I think Vancouver is slightly higher on Hughes than that.

20 Sep 2021 13:57:07
I like the NJ trade as I am a fan of McLeod, but I think NJ is as well. I agree with Randy, I don't think Van does that deal.

18 Sep 2021 15:54:31
Tor: mikhyev abramov or a 3rd 2023
Ott: c brown

Apparently brown is on the block I'm guessing it has to do with some of the other prospects like Norris and stuzle are coming up and tkachuk will eat up a big part of the cap we give up a player that wants to go play somewhere he will get top six minutes and a good prospect brown slots in really well into our top six and can play in any situation

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18 Sep 2021 18:32:28
Brown makes $3.6M. You have to move out another $2M.

19 Sep 2021 01:56:09
They got guys like Gabriel on two way deals and dump engvall.

19 Sep 2021 03:37:23
So if they want to play there younger guys instead if Brown then why would they want to bring in an even older guy to take minutes from their youth

I’ve heard rumbling that Edmonton and Ottawa have been talkin

Koskinen (50% retained) klefbolm Lavoie
For
Brown forsberg

Not only do the connors reunite but so does Hyman and brown from their playin with Matthews days in 2016. Think these 3 could have huge chemistry then draisaitl gets to run his own line.

Plus Edmonton drops their non playable injured player who is takin up valuable cap space and Yes they can put klefbolm on LTIR but doing so would put them in a state of not being able to accumulate cap space for a deadline deal. Contending teams don’t like to do this. Throw on top getting rid of half of their cap anchor goalie and Edmonton with this deal saves overall 2.5 million.

Edmonton send lavoie as a thank you for taking in the extra cap

All in all Edmonton is only 400K from being cap compliant and they have 1 extra player on roster to cut so compliant they become

Ottawa gets good prospect plus gets to play younger players by doing this deal. If klefbolm recovers by next year they gain a good dman as their team gets better.

Anyways that’s more how Ottawa gets rid of brown.

19 Sep 2021 18:06:42
I would hate to see a line of Hyman McDavid brown. That’s some hard workers on each wing, I weirdly could see them doing something like

Brown mcdavid puljuarvi
Hyman draisatl yamamoto.

17 Sep 2021 23:29:38
Deadline deal

Tor: liljigren and 2nd

Ana: rakell (50%) Manson (50%)


Trade reilly to desperate west coast team looking to barely Crack the playoffs.



Muzzin-manson
Sandin-brodie
Dermott-holl

This could lead to resigning Manson for 3-4yr @5m or so if he can perform well. Takes some pressure off sandin on the second line and some movable peices that can play up in the lineup as necessary.

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18 Sep 2021 01:08:19
Sandin isn't a top 4 guy.

I would really like to know why everyone thinks he is based on anything he has done this far.

18 Sep 2021 01:50:08
Because he's been behind muzzin and reilly playing small bits of cheltered minutes. And only got a small sample size. This puts him into that 4th spot with the option of sink or swim.

The long term I'm feeling we can't afford reilly. So better to try and use our best chip in house or we're going to be in real rubbish when we lose our 200th decent player for absolutely nothing once again.

Jvr, bozak, Gardiner, komorov, Anderson, hyman to name a few in recent history. Not all of those have been dubas, but were not even into the start of the season and already traded half of our draft picks for next year.

18 Sep 2021 02:50:44
KK is the best (recent) example I can give on why not to rush prospects. Sink or swim really doesn't work for everyone.


I agree Rielly is done after this year I just don't see Sandin as the replacement right now. That may change with more time, but who knows.

18 Sep 2021 03:15:40
You can let him try on the top 4, if it doesn’t work put dermott there.

18 Sep 2021 06:44:08
@Randy am I the only one that thinks Sandin isn't all he's chalked up to be? Lol. It's starting to seem like that.

I disliked Barrie as well for much the same reasons. I see him as Barrie 2.0. He's a good puck mover that is an absolute liability in his own end.

18 Sep 2021 14:51:25
I don’t mind him, you also want him to mature and improve, so you pair him with a vet like brodie instead of on the bottom pairing with lily. If he can’t find success with brodie he’s likely a dud.

18 Sep 2021 14:59:34
Sandin has top 4 potential imo. He seems to understand the game. He is confident with the puck. His biggest issue that I see, is his strength. That said, he is only 21 and should put a little more bulk on as he ages like Dermott has. I think he needs a full NHL season so we can see how he continues to adapt to the pace and physicality of the NHL game. Dermott may be a good partner for him, although I think Bogo would have been just what he needed while he gets his feet more wet.

18 Sep 2021 21:27:39
Reilly strongest seasons were when he was paired with hainsley. A defensively responsible who backs reilly up when pinching. Sandin would do decently In the same position. 2nd pairing minutes, so likely not going to get eaten up by the top offenses. And some flexibility to move dermott up in his place if he falters.

We need to find out what we got in real situations before we lose reilly.

17 Sep 2021 13:53:33
The most unlikely trade partner, but whatever.

Bos
Rielly $5M
Engvall $1.25M
Mikheyev $1.65M

Tor
Carlo $4.1M
DeBrusk $3.675M
2021 conditional 1st(a 1st if Rielly re-signs, a 4th if he doesn't)

Bruins are still in win now mode. They pick up the top LD that they lack in Rielly and usefull mid-bottom 6 forwards which is where DeBrusk was playing. If Bergeron retires, they should have the cap space to re-sign Rielly and re-up McAvoy. Their D would be set for years.

Leafs get a true RD in Carlo who is cost controlled for years. Top 4 guy, but not likely a top pair. DeBrusk could revive himself in a top 6 role in T.O. A risky deal for the Leafs, but could be worth it and better than letting Rielly walk for nothing.

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17 Sep 2021 19:50:43
I like this trade
Big fan of Carlo. Something leafs are missing. Something leafs haven’t had since who knows when. Komisarek was supposed to be but wasn’t.

Debrusk gets a 2nd lifeline here. He gets to do something Boston wouldn’t do for him. Play with a top C. Matthews or Tavares either one is a huge upgrade from what he was given. I like krejci but he isn’t on Tavares/ Matthews level.

Personally these 2 for rielly Engvall and Mikhayev might be enough. No condition needed really. Whether rielky resigns or not who cares. Boston might bite if it’s just a 3 for 2 deal and I’d be alright with that.

18 Sep 2021 01:08:59
I like this a fair amount. Boston may ask for slightly more based on Carlo but it's a solid deal.

17 Sep 2021 12:48:47
Toronto Trades
Rielly
Kerfoot
Mikheyev

Washington Trades
Kuznetsov*

*Capitals retain 800k each year of Kuznetsov's remaining contract.


Yes Rielly and Mikheyev will both be UFAs after this season but Washington is in the win this year position, and adding a Top 2 Defenceman, a good 2way Centre and an underated Winger with speed plus solve the Kuznetsov issue, I believe Washington would jump on this proposal.

The Leafs solve a few problems, Cap Space to just get them at the limit with this proposal, Rielly and Mikheyev probably walk after this season one because of contract the other saying he wanted out and to be traded, yes they weaken there Defence but this opens the door to play both Sandin and Liljegren fulltime and give Dermott more playing time, plus Kuznetsov is a huge upgrade at Centre over Kerfoot.


Thoughts ?

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17 Sep 2021 19:51:28
Actually not a bad trade at all.

 


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