Leafs rumours 2

06 Apr 2025 00:55:37
There are not very many trades out there for leafs but these two must go

Leafs trade Jarnknok Kampf

SAN. JOSE 3 RD PICK


FIGURING OUT THE BEST PLACE TO PUT ROBERTSON TO GET HIM SCORING MORE



Knies Matthews Marner
McMann Tavares Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Steeves


This is why the flyer trade was awful Leafs didn't get a worthwhile piece back

06 Apr 2025 04:12:21
Treliving was supposed to acquire a 3rd line center.
Treliving sacrificed a 1st round pick and a promising prospect.
Treliving got, a 3rd/ 4th line left wing, something Leafs had an abundance of.
Nothing against Scott Laughton but that was a terrible trade from the Leafs perspective!
Nelson, Granlund, Gourde, Cozens & Frederic (all centers) were traded by their teams.
What exactly was Treliving thinking.
Did the Leafs management really “not know” that the Flyers preferred Laughton at left wing not center?

06 Apr 2025 16:44:37
Let's get a little real if we are talking "Treliving should have" instead of Laughton.

Nelson, a pending UFA went for Ritchie (equivalent would be Cowan), Kylington (Benoit) a conditional 1st and a 3rd where Colorado also got Dufour (Grebenkin) . Nelson is also 33 which WB49, you always says we have to stop trading 1st's for older pending UFA's. Should Tree have given up Cowan, a 1st, 3rd and Benoit to get the rest of this season of Nelson?

Gourde went for (2) 1sts a 2nd a Eyssimont (Holmberg) . Another 33 year old pending UFA. Again, that's a ton to give up for the rest of the season of Gourde.

Cozens makes $7.1M per. Not possible for the Leafs to even consider.

Frederic. He went for basically a 2nd and a 4th. Leafs could have fit both Carlo and Frederic in. Another pending UFA though. He would have fit needs financially and physicality on the ice, but is a worse centre than Laughton. Frederic is a career 44% on the dot and doesn't play centre full time. Laughton is a career 50% on the dot and has played a lot more centre than Frederic. He is also having a down year offensively even though he was on the 2nd PP unit and is not considered a really good PKer.

Instead of giving up massive assets for rentals, Tree got two players under contract with retention on each, at deals they could afford moving forward. The other options were one and done type deals and Frederic is not an improvement over Laughton at C. I would also argue that Carlo makes a greater team impact than the need to upgrade at 3C.

Mackin. Robertson does not deserve a full time spot on the leafs. If they need to keep sitting him to get production from him, that isn't a good sign, it's a bad one.

06 Apr 2025 17:03:59
Forgot Granlund. Went for a 1st and 3rd. Another 33 year old pending UFA that had no retention in the deal. That's $5M, which was out of the Leafs reach.

07 Apr 2025 10:57:28
I’m not saying Leafs SHOULD have gotten Nelson or Granlund!
I’m saying six (6) centers were traded and Leafs ended up with a bottom six, left wing for a 1st round pick and a promising prospect.
Terrible trade from the Leafs perspective.
Frederic, Gourde or Pageau with some retention would have been far better than Laughton.

07 Apr 2025 12:26:44
WB49
You noted those players saying they were all traded, stating they were all centres and what was Tree thinking by getting Laughton instead. How is that not saying he should have went after any of those players instead? Why mention them then?

Who cares of Torts said he sees Laughton as a winger instead of a centre. Laughton played centre full-time for the 7 seasons before this one.

Regardless, you're missing the point. What were you willing to pay to get the rest of the season of Gourde or Pageau? I am not including Ferderic because he isn't a better centre than Laughton.

As I said. Gourde went for (2) 1sts a 2nd a Eyssimont (Holmberg) . You think Tree should have paid that?

Pageau didn't get traded. Has a 16 team no trade and still another year at $5M on his contract. Other than Nelson, who was a pending UFA, NYI didn't trade anyone (Not even Palmieri) because they were trying to still make the playoffs. How can you blame Tree for not trading for a guy that we don't even know if he was available or what the cost would be?

07 Apr 2025 12:36:49
I would argue every centreman trades minus maybe cousins was a terrible trade for the acquiring team.

07 Apr 2025 12:37:14
Should have went after frost when Calgary traded for him and farabee.

07 Apr 2025 15:57:26
I agree with RLF here your guys wouldn’t be happy with any of the centre’s that the leafs were realistically in on because they are all under performing based off what the price was if the leafs don’t resign marner there will be money to sign a quality 2-3C and a winger as for Robertson I think it’s best the leafs trade him he clearly doesn’t fit berube’s system and there’s no where higher in the lineup for him to go I’d swap him with another rfa that better fits the leafs idk who that is but there’s enough of them this year.

04 Apr 2025 11:00:14
Leafs trade First & Grebenkin

Flyers trade Laughton

This was a really stupid trade as the Leafs spent two really good trade chips and they basically got nothing back

Is Steeves not better than Laughton ? There is no way you can put Laughton in lineup come playoffs he adds zero offence . He is almost as bad as Reaves I can see a few more bad moves summer and suddenly the Maple Leafs are in reverse going backwards!

04 Apr 2025 16:56:21
Weird time to post this, Laughton has slowly been winning me over on that line, they've looked really good and he seems to have the right support for domi.

04 Apr 2025 18:28:09
Agree with Shanny, laughton has been far better.

05 Apr 2025 02:48:53
He’ll be fine.

05 Apr 2025 04:05:20
For me the issue isn’t Laughton’s play (he will be okay) as a 3rd/ 4th line left winger but the fact that Leafs didn’t need another bottom 6 left winger.

What they did need, and Treliving was supposed to acquire, was a 3rd line CENTER.
The issue is: You don’t trade a 1st round pick and a promising prospect (Grebenkin) for a bottom 6, 3rd/ 4th line left winger?

Leafs could have gotten Gourde or Pageau (with retention) for what they sacrificed to acquire Laughton.
Both Gourde and Pageau would have been much better fits on the current Leaf roster.

Nelson, Granlund, Gourde, Frederic and Pageau were all available.
How did the Leafs end up with Laughton?

Nothing against Laughton but I view this as a very poor trade for the Leafs present and future.
We’ll have to keep an eye on the progress of both Grebenkin and the player Flyers select with the Leafs pick.
Reminds me of Dubas trading down to acquire two second round picks (Dermot & Bracco) while Flyers selected Travis Konecny with the Leaf’s pick.

05 Apr 2025 13:25:23
Leafs wouldn't have been able to get Carlo if the got Pageau or Gourde. Carlo was the more important need. imo.

05 Apr 2025 18:12:29
Idk why we are still complaining about this trade Laughton is exactly as advertised he’s a bottom six guy who plays both ends of the ice and chips in a few goals every now and again and he only costing us 1.5 this year and next if he doesn’t pan out guess what…. They can trade him I didn’t love the price but that was the going rate I think treliving wanted rantanen and held out for him guys like gourde who has worse numbers went for the same price like RLF said in order to get more than one player they had to take what made sense.

04 Apr 2025 10:27:32
Leafs trade Kampf Jarnknok

Chicago 4 th 2025

Going into next season the leafs will just have to add a depth defencemen in case of injury. But they are really set in defence and goaltending

They have $66 million spent of a $95.5 million dollar cap leaving them roughly $30 million in space

Marner is playing hardball and if Leafs sign Mitch Tavares and Knies it doesn't leave them any cash to improve team once you allow $1.5 million for Holmberg and Robertson


Stolarz
Woll

Reilly Carlo
McCabe Tanev
Benoit OEL


---- Matthews-----
McMann ----Nylander
Domi Laughton

05 Apr 2025 18:19:13
I don’t think marner will be back I was doing the math and with the salaries of McCabe and woll going up and I put knies and Tavares at8 mill it leaves the leafs with 13.8 mil so the question is do the leafs finally try and build a more well balanced lineup or stay top heavy to me there a lot of players that are quality middle six player in free agency but I guess we will see what happens in the playoffs.

03 Apr 2025 20:44:47
It's nearly playoff season and there's a couple of issues to deal with before July 1. Just my opinion but it's time to look at dealing Mariners' rights to San Jose for Smith. Love this kid and think he would be a great fit. I would also include Robertson and Holmberg to sweeten the deal. Leafs can't afford Marner with his new contract and you can't pay him more than Matthew's. Resign Tavares at $5-5.5 Aav x 3 years.Knies@7 Aav x 5 years..Also need to trade Kamph and Domi..Any thoughts?

04 Apr 2025 05:48:56
I cant imagine SJ has any interest in that deal. Smith is a great young player and Mitch doesn't even have a contract.

04 Apr 2025 10:54:02
SAN Jose isn’t where Marner will land if he isn’t back in leafland

If Leafs trade the players of least value Kampf &Jarnknok and get rid of Reaves it gives them more than $35 million heading to deadline

Marner $14 million x 8 years
Knies $7 x 4 years
Tavares 6x 5 years
Holmberg $1.5 million x 2 years
Robinson $1.5 million x 2 years


It just doesn't leave them much room to add to this team as you want a depth defencemen. The thing is if they could sign all there really good players next year is the only tight year they are in then then finally have breathing room as the cap goes to $104 million.

05 Apr 2025 04:22:43
Leafs need Marner more than Marner needs the Leafs.
Marner will get the money he wants from one team or another.
I agree that Marner will get Leon Draisaitl money ($14) from the Leafs or he will at least explore free agency.

A lot of pundits are quoting $7 x 3 years for Tavares but also agree that offering him $6 x 5 is the way to go with the cap going up to $104 in two years.

Knies semi bridged at $7 x 4 is reasonable for both sides.
Holmberg is definitely a valuable asset and should be resigned.

Then we get to Robertson.
An RFA on July 1st.
Personally, I think Robertson would be wise to move on.
He seems to have peaked as a Leaf, Berube doesn’t appear overly inclined to play him sufficient minutes to develop and moving to a young team like San Jose Sharks, in his home State of California, would be a terrific fit for him.
I like Robertson and his perseverance through multiple, serious injuries, being healthy scratched or sitting on the end of the bench playing 8:00 minutes a night (until this year) .
I wish him all the best
I don’t see Robertson wearing a Leaf jersey next year.

02 Apr 2025 02:23:47
Off season trades,

Toronto trades Robertson, Domi, Jarnkroc and Rielly

To
Seattle for Vince Dunn, Andre Burakovsky

Toronto trades Kampf

To

San Jose for 4th in 2025 or 2026

Toronto trades Holmberg and Benoit

To

Chicago for 2nd & 3rd in 2025

05 Apr 2025 04:29:59
I’m pretty much up for trading Reilly (NMC), Domi (10 or is it 15 team NTC), Kampf and Jarnkrok.
Would Vancouver like to add Reilly.
Would he be interested in going home?
Not sure if Seattle or San Jose would be interested in the proposals?
You can add Reaves to the list of disposables as well.
Holmberg and Benoit are, in my opinion, good value for the dollar and I would prefer to keep them as I don’t think you can improve on them for the money they will get on their next contracts.

02 Apr 2025 02:10:23
Leafs trade Kampf and Jarnknok

Chicago 4th round pick

Parkgardens and others

The problem holding up Marner signing is the cap is going from $88 million to $113 million

So he wants a piece of that. The leafs and Marner want a 8 year deal. Let's say Marner signed for $12.5 million in three years he will feel ripped of when guys are signing $15 & $16 million dollar contracts

The end of Next season Mcdavid is up for a new deal. It could be $16 or $17 million over 8 years. The cap is going up 40 % at $12.5 million his % of the cap would actually be going down.

Trust me if Leafs slim Marner to $14 million x 8 years the number looks like a steal in 3 or 4 years

Nylander deal looks great for the leafs. The reason Matthews only signed 4 year deal is because when he is up again for a Montrachet it will be in $16 or $17. Million range

So in four years you have

Matthews $17 million
Marner $14 million
Nylander $11.5 million

Now you have

Matthews $13.25
Nylander $11.00
Marner $10.93

That's $35 million of a cap @ $88 million. In 3years those three players are making $42.5 million on a $113 Million cap


Compared to the cap those 3 players will be making much less money in 3 years so give Marner the $14 million in years 3,4,5,6,7,8 the deal looks like a steal


Morgan Reilly is locked in @7.5 million in 3 years it's much better against the cap than it is today

02 Apr 2025 15:15:52
14m looks like a steal in a few years you say, where have I heard that before?

02 Apr 2025 18:35:45
David you say it looks like steal for Marner at $14 million per season, but what has he done in the last 8 years in the playoffs, NOTHING!

WE NEED DEPTH IN THE LINE UP NOT THE SAME ASSHOLES MAKING ALL THE MONEY AND FOLD UP LIKE A CHEAP TENT IN THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE THEY GET HIT EVERY TIME THEY TRY TO DO THIER FANCY PLAYS, THAT THEY DO DURING THE SEASON.

JUST SWALLOW IT BECAUSE MARNER IS WALKING AND THAT IS THAT!

03 Apr 2025 18:58:33
If Marner wants his share of the big cap, sign for cheap for 3 years til the cap hits that point.

05 Apr 2025 04:37:22
Marner was born May 5th, 1997 making him 27 currently, 28 on May 5th.
I would like to see Marner come in at $12.75 - $13 x 3 years at which time he will be 31 and ready for the final deal of his career.
I believe the cap will be $104 in 3 years and Marner will get his $15 - $16 million.

01 Apr 2025 23:39:21
My off season proposal,

Marner walks
Tavares signs 6 million x 3yrs
Knies signs 5.5 x 6 yrs

Rielly gets asks and waives no trade to go to Seattle for Vince Dunn

Domi, Kampf, Robertson, Jarnkroc, Benoit get traded

Toronto tries to sign UFAS,
Brock Boeser
Brett Lesson
Trent Fredric
Nick Bugdsted
Brandon Tanev

02 Apr 2025 12:55:04
Not getting Knies that cheap.

05 Apr 2025 04:46:03
I see Knies getting a semi bridge deal of around $7 x 4 years.

I think Ron Francis might lose his job if he were to trade Vince Dunn for Morgan Reilly.
Maybe Reilly waves to go home to Vancouver.
If Canucks can’t resign Boeser and he is prepared to walk away for nothing on July 1st Free Agency, maybe the Canucks would trade his expiring contract to the Leafs for Reilly.
That way Vancouver gets a 2nd pairing defenseman when they would have received nothing in return for Boeser.
It gives the Leafs a few days before free agency to try to sign Boeser if Marner has not agreed to an extension by then and appears headed to FA.

01 Apr 2025 20:29:52
Before July 1st.
Just going to change the prospect to a guy most of you know I want.

Ana
Robertson RFA
Marner UFA(rights)

Tor
Luneau ELC

With the young depth Anaheim has on D, maybe they do this with the opportunity to negotiate with Marner before anyone else.

Leafs get an offensive minded prospect RD that is probably NHL ready.

A bigger deal if Rielly would waive

Ana
Rielly $7.5M
Robertson RFA
Marner UFA rights

Tor
Strome $5M
Luneau ELC
2025 3rd

01 Apr 2025 16:57:17
Leafs trade REAVES & Laughton

Philadelphia 5 th pick 2026

That's how badly TRELIVING did in this trade


Marner is a strange situation the Leafs could be lowballing him at $12 million with him asking $14 million

They need to sit down with Matthews and tell him Marner makes more next season. They are trying to prevent Matthews from feeling ripped off

What is best solution letting Marner walk or paying him $14 million as he knows the cap is rising ?


Salaries highest paid players

Draisaitl $14 million 8 years
Matthews $13.25 3 years left at season end
MacKinnon $12.6 `in second year 8 year deal Mcdavid. $12.5 next season is his last
Rantanen $12 million term starts next season


So it pretty easy to figure.leafs offering $12 million 8 years is too low.

Marner is better than Rantanen not as good as Draisaitl . The second factor for Marner is the cap is going way up and he wants to be compensated for that.

So give Marner $14 million

01 Apr 2025 21:00:39
Can’t pay Marner more than Matthews. Same at most. Marner is not better than Rantenen.

01 Apr 2025 23:02:44
If IF the Leafs even think about 14 for Marner they will deserve what they’ll get. NOTHING! No cup no final nothing! Guy has proven ZERO! Anyone suggesting this number is out to lunch. Sorry Mackin.

01 Apr 2025 23:23:11
Marner can flock off, I made too offer's that the Leafs should give to him before July 1st.

$12.5 million x 8 yrs. (First 6 yrs full no trade, last two no protection)
Or
$14 million x 8 yrs with no protection
(This way they can trade him at anytime)

If he says no to both then Goodbye!

01 Apr 2025 23:48:21
In what way is 12m low balling Mitchy? He collapses in the playoffs and has never hit 100pts. That doesn't deserve 12m imo.

02 Apr 2025 02:27:20
That is what the bankrobber is asking for not that I think they should do it, I would prefer that he walks so we can build a team with depth on all four lines.

23 Mar 2025 23:07:07
Trade their rights Marner/Robertson for 4th round and 5th round ! Fill out the roster!

Sign free agents
Boeser RW 7 years @ 6 million per year
Chychurn D 5 years 6 million per year
S. Bennet C 4 years @ 6 million per year
C. Brown RW 2 years @ 2 million per year
Kylington D 2 years @ 2 million per year


Re-sign
Tavares C 4 years @ 5 million per year
Knies LW/RW 5 years @ 5.5 million per year

Trade Kampf For 3rd pick to anyone
Trade Domi for 5th round pick to anyone

Toronto forward lines
Knies/Mathews/Boeser
Tavarse/Bennet/Nylander
McMann/Jarnkrok/Laughton Lorentz/Cowan/Holmberg/Brown

Toronto defensive lines
Reilly/Carlo
Macabe/Chychrun
OEL/Tanev
Myers/Benniot/Kylington

Toronto Goalies
Woll SG
Stolarz BG

24 Mar 2025 01:19:47
So every free agent takes a discount Tavares and knies both take discounts and kampf is worth more than domi in trade value lol ok.

24 Mar 2025 03:12:33
If you can get any of them to agree to those deals I'll personally build you a statue outside the gardens.

24 Mar 2025 20:22:17
Knies will be 7-8m per.

26 Mar 2025 11:56:32
Chychrun went for 9M X 8 years. Hey, at least you were close 🙄.

23 Mar 2025 13:24:10
at the draft trade:
Leafs trades: McMann and Benoit
to
Oilers trades: Connor Brown

2026 NHL trade deadline trade:
Leafs trades: 2028 First round pick, William Nylander, Cowan and Danford
to
Golden Knights trades: Mark Stone and Alex Pietrangelo

Hire new assistant coach:
Matt Finn

Resign
Tavares C/RW 5 years @ 5 million per year
Knies LW/RW 5 years @ 5 millions per year
Marner RW 5 years @ 5millions per year
Robertson LW 5 years @ 950k

Toronto forward lines
Knies/Mathews/Marner
Robertson /Tavares/Stone
Domi/Laughton/Brown
Lorentz/Kampf/Jarnkrok
extra: Reaves

Toronto defensive lines
Riley/Pietrangelo
Macabe/Tanev
OEL/Carlo
extra: Hankapää


Toronto's Goalies
Woll SG
Stolarz BG

23 Mar 2025 15:58:43
Your trades are absurd. Your signings are even more ridiculous. McMann alone is worth more than Connor Brown. Nylander alone gets you Stone and Petrangelo (and still wouldn’t do it) . And most obviously …. on what planet do you reside on to think you’re signing Mitch Marner at 5 million? And Knies for that matter? Marner will get $13m and Knies will approach $8m.

23 Mar 2025 15:59:54
And Nick Robertson is your second line LW? Lmao.

23 Mar 2025 20:41:53
People that trade McMann or Knies show that they have no clue what they are doing! What’s next McCabe and Tanev? Stolly or Woll?

23 Mar 2025 23:37:26
I have been following this site for years and these are easily two of the worst trades I have ever come across!