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23 Oct 2020 15:07:12
Okay you guys ready for a 4 way trade?

Toronto sends nylander, dermott

Tampa sends Johnson 2021 1st,

Winnipeg sends laine, 2021 7th

Detroit sends 2021 1st, seider

Leafs recieve Detroit 1st, Johnson

Tampa receives peg 7th

Winnipeg receives tampa 1st, nylander, seider

Det recieves laine and dermott.

Thoughts? Save about 2 million get a more physical player and also get a likely top 10 pick.

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23 Oct 2020 15:58:24
The Jets don't want soft, overpaid Nylander. Leaf fans really are trying to trade him.

23 Oct 2020 16:44:20
Not sure Tampa is ready to add a 1st yet to move Johnson.
You say we get a more physical player in Johnson, are you thinking about Kilorn maybe?

23 Oct 2020 18:00:59
Lol. Nylander is better in his own zone that Laine. He's also not overpaid based on comparables. If this was one for one Nylander for Laine, Jets jump on it.

23 Oct 2020 18:28:27
Nylander is not overpaid. I wonder what will be said if Laine gets 9 or 10M on his next deal. I mean, its not like the Jets just traded for a guy making 6.5 who puts up 40-45 pts. And IJ calls Kerfoot at 3.5 a cap dump for putting up the same numbers. lol.

23 Oct 2020 18:34:18
Johnson throws the body a bit but still has a scoring touch. How do the jets turn down that offer. A 1st a relatively equal player and an a- prospect.

23 Oct 2020 19:40:13
Ahh, more physical than Nylander, but not necessarily physical. Got ya.

23 Oct 2020 22:05:31
Dermott signed so cheap amazing.

24 Oct 2020 00:30:28
I'm sorry but absolutely not from the Leafs. TB is going to have to pay big time to rid themselves of Johnson. The Leafs were forced to pay a 1st to get rid of Marleau.

24 Oct 2020 05:03:01
A 1st, Nylander, and Seider for Laine and all Leafs get is a guy that was waived and nobody wanted plus a pick? I don’t know about that.

I admit that the thought of Detroit’s 1st next year is tempting, assuming it’s unprotected. But Leafs definitely take a step back by swapping Nylander for Johnson. If they want to contend this year, they would be going in the wrong direction.

I think I’d actually rather have Seider than the pick actually.

25 Oct 2020 23:41:03
Has a 4 way trade ever happened in NHL

Heck in any league

Would be fun to see.

23 Oct 2020 14:09:48
Why does everyone wanna trade Nylander. I mean tbh he's prob the least likely to be traded considering what value he brings and how much he makes. He was on pace for 37 goals and over 70 points and he is on the first power play unit but he did play second or third line last year for most of the year. If anything I would trade some guys out to make room for other guys.


Any team
2021 2nd

Lineup next year
Hyman Matthews Nylander
Mikheyev Tavares Marner
Simmonds Kerfoot Veesy
Roberson Thornton Spezza

Riley Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Lehtonen/ Sandin Bogosian

The only way I trade Nylander is if I were getting a defesmen that is at least as good as Tory krug. Now I know that sounds crazy and I may be overvaluing Nylander but honestly I think he can easily be a 40 goal 40 assist man and rack up about 80 points a season. And if Tavares can get roughly 40-45 and Matthews can get 50 and Marner can get 30 then that's around 165 goals from the big four so stop trying to trade Nylander.

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23 Oct 2020 15:08:32
I actually think your undervaluing him lol. I don't want Krug.

I agree he's more valuable than Marner though. That said though, he's most likely to be traded of the big 4. If the cap kept rising to say, 92 million you can get a good deal for Marner. As is though, so much uncertainty, only teams that send you something are a team that needs to send back a cap dump. How does that make the team better though?

23 Oct 2020 15:42:58
Dermott and Engvall r worth more then just a 2nd to me. I hate to lose Dermott.

23 Oct 2020 15:44:16
Everyone is trading him because they feel one of the 4 has to be moved.

Marner- atleast 2.5 million over paid ergo leafs won't get full value on marner.

Tavares- nmc

Matthews- the prize for Matthew's would have to be so overwhelming that no team will meet the asking price, we are talking top tier defenseman and a centre just under his value, so we are talking a hedman and point type deal. Other possibilities would be like mcdavid and the leafs add, draisatl nurse and 2 firsts. So no team will meet the leafs requests.

Nylander- affordable contract, puts up good points, should get above fair value.

23 Oct 2020 15:48:03
A little optimistic are we LGM?

Nobody is “trying” to trade Nylander. Only the GM can do that.

All anyone is going on here is making proposals of trades they would like to see.

By your logic, I’ve been “trying” to get Dubas fired for over two years. That’s not true at all. I’ve been criticizing him, heavily, and admittedly somewhat unfairly at times, because it’s fun and I enjoy it. I have been hoping he gets fired (and it sure looks like they are preparing to do so), but I haven’t called the Leafs front office and said anything to them. No emails or letters or petitions calling for him to be fired. Because I’m not “trying” to get him fired. Same as no one is “trying” to trade Nylander.

Hoping and wishing a player with 9 hits to his name last year, and only 76 hits in his entire career, gets traded is a far cry from “trying” to trade him.

23 Oct 2020 16:27:44
I think I throw more hits in my non contact league then that.

23 Oct 2020 18:03:31
Nylander is singled out for that reason HL and Randy which I understand. On a team full of physical players though Nylander would be a 40+ goal scorer guaranteed. He may be one dimensional in that he doesn't lay the body at all but that doesn't take away from his value. To me it's just that Dubas assembled a team of "Nylanders" so we notice him more.

23 Oct 2020 19:46:30
LL. Exactly. Too much of one type of player. imo
The crowd goes wild whenever (Nylander especially) battles for a puck physically because it is so rare people get excited. Whatever happened to battling for pucks and wanting it more than the other guy is just part of the game?
I am not expecting bone crushing hits all the time or anything close, but I have a hard time imagining some of these guys looking in the mirror after the game and saying "yep, gave it may all tonight. Battled hard. "

23 Oct 2020 21:12:18
That's where win at too RLF. When Gardiner left it just became Nylander. In all honesty I didn't hate Gardiner either. He isn't a top D-man by any stretch but I called it from the start. Dubas traded Kadri for a worse version of Barrie.

Dubas wants these types of players. Tampa has these types. It just can't be an entire team of Marner and Nylander.

23 Oct 2020 21:12:45
Did I read that right?

Dermott 876 gs

Can’t trade that now


Dermott must love those Leafs.1st player to help team


23 Oct 2020 21:54:31
He is from just outside the city.

He didn’t have much choice without arbitration rights. What was he going to do? Hold out and get traded? He’s not a “stud” like Nylander.

23 Oct 2020 22:52:22
Good on ya dwrmott.

25 Oct 2020 23:42:48
Nylander suits 80s hockey just fine.

23 Oct 2020 00:28:09
Toronto should trade,
Nylander and Dermont
Detroit for anthony Mantha and 3rd 2021

Then sign Mantha to a 4yr x 4.5 million contract

Then sign UFA Madison Bowey 2yrs x 2 million (good young rhd man with size)

Cap space solved as Dermont wants 2.5-3 million a yr.

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23 Oct 2020 04:57:35
Rather just keep Nylander and Dermy.

23 Oct 2020 10:21:49
Love Mantha’s size. Not too keen on his injury status from last year. I would take a wait and see approach before trading for him. He might fall under the damaged goods category now.

23 Oct 2020 10:30:09
Mantha is also in contract negotiations with Detroit and talks are not going well. Not sure what the issue, money obviously, but how much and for how long? So we don’t even know how much cap this move would make.

Is Mantha really so much better than Nylander that Dermott has to be thrown in? Is he even better at all?

I would like a guy like Mantha on the team. Would be nice to see him get back to hitting a little more though. But at least he put hits Nylander. Though that isn’t hard to do. After all, Nylander or registered 9 hits last year, and I assume some of those were accidents where he made contact by mistake.

23 Oct 2020 12:36:24
Cap is solved

Since league is condensed Bettman is allowing

15 F
8 D
3 G

Every game must have 22 minimum on roster that is under cap. The extra players don’t get dropped to minors but don’t count against cap. They simply become reserve players due to C.V.. Also, if player gets symptoms he must get tested thus get dropped to reserve until test results are negative.

Toronto simply puts Andersen on reserve roster the games he doesn’t start and leafs stay under cap
Any big money guy gets flu gets put on reserve and money gets saved.

Cant expect teams to manage roster normal during condensed schedule. This is why you don’t see many teams freakin out right now. Vegas forgot to read the memo

Dermott getting 2.5 will be over 4 years. No biggy no need to panic just sign him deal with C.V. rules then next year Mikheyev and Dermott get exposed. Easy.

23 Oct 2020 13:32:32
Figured they would go with expanded roster. Even if the AHL plays, it would be hard to have teams call players up and send players down as it doubles risk and exposure. I see Dermott getting 1-2 years between 1-1.5.

23 Oct 2020 14:07:59
Haven’t read or heard much Dermott stuff like we did Mikheyev. Even if league doesn’t do reserve Rosters I think teams will need to carry 3 goalies. Either way doesn’t seem leafs are not panicking so something must be in works with league.

Vancouver Laughs if this happens or is it schmidt.

23 Oct 2020 14:49:57
I didn’t see anything about Bettman allowing expanded rosters for the regular season Craigger. I did a quick search and nothing popped up. I know it’s been rumoured, but so far as I can tell, nothing is official.

If this is true, then I think a lot of teams, not just Vegas, will be upset about this not being announced earlier. This should have been finalized before the free agency period. It would have made a significant difference in the way teams approached their off-season this year, including the Leafs I imagine.

23 Oct 2020 15:41:44
Another trade for Nylander. I guess because he is a $7 mil perimeter player who is so soft Leaf posters really want to see him go.

23 Oct 2020 15:52:59
I see your second response now Craigger. So it isn’t confirmed yet.

I thought I missed something big.

23 Oct 2020 18:05:03
Wish we had Laine to show us a player with 100+ hits that kills penalties. Wonder why Jets would ever trade a 50 goal scorer that does it all.

23 Oct 2020 18:25:28
League allowing this type of roster was my solving of the cap. Instead of trading players this was my way of solving 10 teams issues


I tried to think outside box.

23 Oct 2020 19:48:10
LOL. You got me. I totally thought it was real as I actually expect something like that to happen in regards to rosters.

23 Oct 2020 21:15:44
Due to trolls basing value of players based on cap hit guess

Dermott for anyone over 5 million is a steal for every team

Dermott best trade value nhl

Eat that trolls.

22 Oct 2020 22:21:06
What does everyone think about a Nylander for Guentzel trade? We save a little cap space and Guentzel would shine on Toronto
Hyman/ Matthews/ Guentzel
Mikheyev/ Tavares/ Marner
Robertson/ Kerfoot/ Simmonds
Engvall/ Thornton/ Spezza

Rielly/ Brodie
Muzzin/ Holl
Lekhonen/ Dermott


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22 Oct 2020 23:17:09
I’m sure Pittsburgh says no way.

23 Oct 2020 00:01:23
Here is another Nylander trade. If he's so great why is he always put on the block?

23 Oct 2020 03:47:26
Nylander is owed less money even though his cap hit is higher. Toronto is one of the few teams that will spend as much as they can and take advantage of other teams trying to shed real money.

23 Oct 2020 04:57:56
Can say that about almost anyone on the roster.

23 Oct 2020 14:48:46
Hey isn't laine on the block? he's probably ass.

22 Oct 2020 18:42:16
Kerfoot 3.5
Dermott RFA

Howden .863
Robertson ELC

NYR gets better now and more experienced down the middle with Kerfoot to help their furfure stars grow. With a contract that ends in 3 seasons, he won't be in the way of re-signing Laf. Dermott offers them a cost controlled LD where they are weakest and can replace one of Smith/Johnson at end of season as both are UFA.NYR is pretty loaded in D prospects with Miller, Libor, Schneider. Dermott helps them now and the future.

In Howden, Leafs get a young 3rd line centre who is still maturing and shouldn't cost too much to re-sign at end of season, plus a good LD prospect with some size in Robertson. Leafs move out 2.6 in cap space which could now possibly allow them to make another move.

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22 Oct 2020 22:05:10
Why Robertson when they have Lundqvist and Schneider both in the system?

I’d rather keep Dermott, who is an actual nhl player, than trade him for Robertson. The bulk of the cap savings, by far, in this trade comes from swapping Kerfoot for Howden. The savings between Dermott and Robertson is so small that we are better off keeping Dermott, who is contributing right now, immediately and significantly.

If Rielly and Muzzin both go down with injury at the same time, I would feel a lot more comfortable with Dermott on the team than Robertson.

22 Oct 2020 22:32:36
I would be happy with Robertson
Not much to howdens game really Competitive up and down not much offense. Third line Center no higher.
Perhaps can become a solid penalty killer is big enough to be a shutdown type. Who knows put him with Robertson and Simmonds may surprise us all

The cap space is nice
Sign another vet dman needed for compressed 50 game schedule.

23 Oct 2020 01:03:37
HL. Dermott is gone in the expansion draft most likely if we keep him. Robertson is still a year away I figure and we cost less than Dermott for more years. I like Robertson and doubt they trade Schneider after moving up to draft him. With Spezza and Thornton this year, Howden doesn't have to be full time 3rd line centre and will not cost us anywhere near as much yearly which allows us to put more into the bottom 6 or on D.

23 Oct 2020 04:59:05
Why will Dermott be gone? It really depends on Lehtonen far as I see it. Rather keep Dermott than Holl. Even if you like Holl he has no more upside. He's a 4-5 on the leafs and a 5-6 on most other teams. Dermott can still improve.

23 Oct 2020 10:12:02
Leafs can also protect 4 forwards and 4 defensemen. The way the roster is constructed right now, I think that is the approach they want to take.

I understand your reasoning, trying to get assets instead of losing Dermott for nothing makes a lot of sense, but Robertson is not even be NHL ready. He was still playing junior last year. For this year, I think they want to have the strongest roster possible. Dermott definitely is the better player.

I mean, the value is there. And I love Robertson’s size, but if we do end up dumping Dermott for a prospect, he would be a good one, though I would still rather see another proper RHD in return.

23 Oct 2020 13:42:54
Leafs may go 4 and 4 for protection, but unless the pick up another top 4D, I don't think they do. Dermott will have to play himself into the top 4 this year and replace Holl if he is to be protected. imo

Reasoning. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Muzzin and Brodie are locks to protect.

Next-Dermott and Holl on D. Kerfoot, Mikheyev and Hyman if he re-signs upfront. If re-sign Hyman, he is pretty much a lock I would think. Otherwise, it is possible Mikheyev taking a little less after a deal was agreed to, was with a promise from Dubas he would be protected. Even if that is not the case, unless Dermott takes a big step, they have replacements in Sandin, Holl (unless he is taken by Seattle instead) . Hard to replace Hyman. Hard to replace Mikheyev at his cap hit. To me, Dermott is on the outside looking in at the moment. So why not get a player we do not have to protect (I know Robertson is not ready for at least a year) or an upgrade by moving him with another piece that we will need to protect.

23 Oct 2020 21:17:34
Dermott for Guentzel and 2nd rounder

Suck it.

22 Oct 2020 15:40:14
Last season of marner. The salary bar is too high for what he brings. Tavares was a mistake as well but he plays Center.



BUFFALO Ristolainen Sam Reinhart. Jack Quinn and first round 2021

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22 Oct 2020 16:27:59
Senators sign brown 3 years $3.6 a season. I’m happy Connor brown but that contract Ottawa will regret max brown is a 2 million a season player. Hyman can now ask 4.5 million based on Connor brown deal ridiculous.

22 Oct 2020 16:44:15
Davidmackin I totally disagree. The reason they signed him is because they know that on a team that really hasn’t done much in like 2-3 season, he can be that leader in the locker room and that guy that will average 50-60 points in your team. In Toronto he didn’t contribute much which is because of all the talent that they got on that team and the guys upfront are stacked. When he got traded I knew that he was going to restart his career and be one of there best player in Ottawa and he had and I can see him and Brady being two of the best players on the team for years to come.

22 Oct 2020 17:38:46
It will be a tough deal to make, trading Marner's 11M contract, especially in the flat cap era, but it will be necessary to icing a balanced competitive lineup.

22 Oct 2020 18:06:58
100% true Chickenfoot, that contract is an albatross. There would have to be a lot of salary coming back, and frankly it would either be one player on an equally bad contract OR two 5M ish contracts with one being a salary dump.

Many teams are operating 10+M under the cap right now, and the really good teams around the league have their core in place. Moving Marner for a fair return seems extremely unlikely over the next couple years.

This is the team's core, this is the cap situation. It's all on Dubas to make the right moves to create an effective roster of peripheral players around the core and ice a championship team.

22 Oct 2020 21:39:49
Have to agree there Chicken foot. Marner is a solid player on most teams. In a flat cap world though you will never get market value.

22 Oct 2020 22:18:28
Or Hyman can point to Kreider’s contract and say he deserves $6M a year. Their stats are eerily similar and they play a very similar style of game.

The exodus of talent and churn in the bottom of the roster since Dubas took over is going to continue annually, as Dubas has to dumpster dive to try and find “undervalued” players to backfill the bottom 6 every year. Not good.

Attempting to game the system is not an easy task. Dubas is facing an uphill battle to constantly hit winners every year and hope that Keefe can somehow squeeze value out of them all. Only to watch them sign a more lucrative contract elsewhere the next summer, so Dubas can start all over again with another crew.

I haven’t done any calculations to back this claim up, but I would not be surprised if Dubas has paid out more in salaries (in real dollars) the first two years he has taken office than ever before in the history of the NHL. He was handed a credit card with no limit and went on a spending spree. Now the consequences are catching up to him and he is having to pawn all the rest of his stuff in order to afford payment on the three (four) luxury vehicles that are taking up the bulk of his expenses.

22 Oct 2020 22:34:56
If marner is ever traded a young rhd dman is coming back
Anything less and it’s a trash trade

Marner and liljegren for makar and jost.

22 Oct 2020 23:52:41
Marner as a player is much better than this offer. Unfortunately in this flat cap era it will be hard for any team to get a decent return for players making over $9 mil with term.

23 Oct 2020 04:04:40
No chance you get Makar for Marner. Like, that isn't even close.

23 Oct 2020 07:03:15
Prove your point leafslife.

23 Oct 2020 12:24:00
Gonna laugh if Colorado pulls a 2016-17 year. Something they are good at doing. Makar and graves both go -25 and then what?

This is a team known to do this kind of crap. I don’t trust their core at all.

23 Oct 2020 14:37:28
What will it take for marner not to be fans trade scape goat

30g 95 a 125pts. Has mcdavid even done this yet?

Guess mcdavid needs a sweatner to get rid of that contract

Kane gets 90-110 pts @ 10 million per signed 2015 equates to 12 million with inflation

So is 10.85 for 90 pts really that bad?

Just like Tarasenko signing 7.5 in 2015 equates to 9 now really better than nylanders 6.9 now.

Some sign sweet deals due to location, no media pressure, the fact they sucked until year 5 get locked in great team deal then break out.

So why do fans here really want Robertson to succeed right now. Wouldn’t it be better to just let the big 4 do all work put Robertson on 3rd 4th line for 3 years have him sign team friendly deal then year 4 put on 1st line have him score 35 then all think he has best contract in league.

You all want to have these great young players to put up huge numbers during ELC but get angry when they sign big deals after succeeding beyond even your expectations. Give your heads all a shake

Coulda signed either 3 for 6.5 for 2 years but then what? Think laine will be easy

How about Keller or hischers contracts. You’d be happy with giving 50 pt guys 7-7.5 million. Just be glad leafs have 3 guys you enjoy watching. The cap isn’t our problem. Just take what we have enjoy and be glad leafs aren’t the sabres.

Why is it Habs have as a team a higher cap hit than leafs but aren’t even close to them in standings. Habs aren’t a playoff team. They beat a team they always beat in a fake made up 1st round of playoffs to create revenue and are now better than Toronto. LOL. No one discusses their bad contracts. They have many yet leafs big 4 are the discussion. It shocks me.

Matthews needs 60 goals marner 125 pts and nylander 100 just to make everyone happy. Trade them all have cap space then get lesser players have worse season but hey leafs have cap space now.

When did money and cap space become our problems.

Trade a player based on if they are good or not. Not based on the contract. It’s not our cap number who cares.

23 Oct 2020 16:40:32
C12, I understand the reason for the rant. Normally, I can see your logic in your arguments. I can agree that putting point totals to players and saying they need to post certain numbers to be worth their contract is being too tunnel visioned. imo

But to say just enjoy and forget about the cap, that I just can't see the logic.

For one-Hawks haven't won since Kane and Toews contracts kicked in. Now they feel they have to rebuild because they realized it isn't working with being too top heavy even though Toews and Kane are still at a very high level of play. And they don't have a 3rd player even close to $10M. The next is Seabrook about the same as Nylander. Their top 3 cap hits uses $5.66M less than ours and they can't truly compete.

Also, Tarasenko when originally signed would have been harder to move then, then he would be now. His hit then was 10.5% of cap, now it is down to 9.2%. That is $1M more in cap space available by comparison. Not really fair to say that is like $9M now because STL didn't win when he was at 10.5%. Blues didn't win until some of their previous, more lucrative contracts cap hits were reduced.

For Tampa, they didn't win until some of those players cap hit% were reduced by the growing cap and allowed them to surround those players with better quality. The Caps, The Pens, are also examples of the same thing. Stamkos, Hedman, Kilorn, Johnson all signed 4+ years prior to winning. They took up 35.2% of the cap when signed. Only 31.7% when they won. That is $2.85M more cap space to use elsewhere. Coburn also took a pay cut 3 years ago. With the signings of Kucherov and Vasilevskiy they still needed top quality play from ELC's Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak along with cheap quality fillers to win.

Cap matters and with it being flat, if we win with the current allocation, it goes against everything cap history has taught us.

There is a hard budget.
If Leafs were a car being built, we put 50% of our hard budget into the engine and it is hard to say right now if we left enough for quality brakes to stop the vehicle or enough for quality tires to keep it on the road. A little less power and better brakes and tires would make a better balanced car that could handle all conditions and not just straightaways. I'd rather a balanced car then say, wow engine sounds awesome, who cares if I make the corner at the end of the straightaway:)

23 Oct 2020 18:38:31
It’s not our cap though. Can’t worry about something out of our hands. What happens if leafs win cup?

Then where does all this go?

My point to all this was instead of harpin on the players because they excelled as teenagers enjoy them for what they do. You could see leafs locked into worse contracts. Money isn’t the fans problems. Harp on a player because they suck not because you think their contract sucks.

You all loved marner Matthews and nylander making 900 gs. Money changes how good they are? Guess we should all be locked into our starting teenage wages 4-life. Wouldn’t that be fun.

23 Oct 2020 19:21:18
A little over the top. lol

I mean, all trade suggestions, fantasy or not, must take the cap into consideration in order to be even remotely possible.

I think most (I guess not all) are trying to look at ways they believe to build a Cup team, not hating on a particular player or players. I doubt anyone is mad because Matthews, Marner and Nylander are good and I doubt anyone would care what they made if the cap didn't exist.

So making trade suggestions based on ones opinion of the best way to improve the team may include moving a high ticket player and replacing him with lower cost or multiple players or prospects, picks whatever.
Personally, I would like to keep all 4, but I don't believe that is the path to the cup. Nothing to do with harping on a guy or not enjoying watching him play.

And what happens if the Leafs don't win the cup because we lacked the proper depth and all 4 walk at the end of their deals? Do we just say, well at least we kept the 4 together? Did we not possibly miss a great opportunity because maybe the build concept was flawed? There is an argument for keeping all 4 and an argument for moving 1 or even more than 1.

23 Oct 2020 21:19:39
Guess Dermott is new king of trades

Based on cap hit his worth is any + 5 million guy plus a 1st for him alone.

Can’t have it both ways now can yeah

If big 4 worth is crap than Dermott is a kings ransom.

23 Oct 2020 21:22:46
I just love going back and forth this cap thing

Some days I’ll agree others I defend the players. Lol

That’s why I love my job. Evaluating talent before money is involved.

Money complicates everything not just in hockey folks


22 Oct 2020 02:02:42
Blockbuster V2

TOR trade Nylander, Holl and Sandin to CHI Kane 35% salary retained and Strome

Leaf's get Kane to go on the wing with Tavares and Strome to fill in as 3rd line Center.

TOR trade Kerfoot, Dermott and 3rd pick 2021 to CAR for Hamilton and Foegele

Leaf's gain a RD and some sized cost controlled youth.

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22 Oct 2020 15:17:17
Curtawood you can't be serious.

22 Oct 2020 15:23:38
Everything written on these sites are complete seriousness.

The only ones around here that believe this are tolls like you that actually take offence to these very serious trades made up by totally serious people who are seriously right hand people to serious gms

Like serious.

22 Oct 2020 15:50:48
Marner goes b4 Nylander there is value in Nylander contract and marner is overpaid . Marner can never earn that number unless he puts up 125Pts. It’s superstar money and marner isn’t.

22 Oct 2020 16:51:25
Perception. Your first sentence on the reasons you give Nylander stays and Marner goes is exactly why I think Nylander goes and Marner stays.

22 Oct 2020 17:25:18
Argument can be made for both sides of that your right RLF. Nylander probably gets a better return in a flat cap world. Dubas also seems to think higher of Marner.

22 Oct 2020 18:29:35
Marner has the more complete game, but not $4M a season more complete. imo

If we are looking for cap space and don't mind taking on a lower, but still noticeable cap hit +/ + (depending on player), you move Marner. Can't see it working another way with the flat cap.
If we are looking for reducing our cap hit and getting an NHL ELC + pick/ prospect possibility, you trade Nylander. You could also move Nylander for an established player+ depending on the player we get in return. Nylander is a more manageable situation for most teams which makes him a more tradeable asset.
That's the way I see it anyway.

22 Oct 2020 21:40:30
In what way is his game more complete? Most analytics actually favour Nylander defensively. He also scores more.

23 Oct 2020 00:45:15
I am not going to get into a debate about analytics and what they actually show. Marner is on the pk and is used in 1 goal lead games at the end of the game. He reads defensive responsibility better, he plays a more physical game without the puck just for a few reasons he is more rounded. Just watching the two play shows us Marner has a more rounded game.

22 Oct 2020 00:07:24
Leafs Andersen (goalie) + dermer

Columbus korposelo + savard.

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