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24 Jan 2021 18:55:32
Rumored trade,

Toronto trades Dermont
To
Pittsburgh for Mark Jamkowski

Good trade, Dubas wanted him in the nexed Calgary trade with Kadri.
Salary works both ways.

But to solve the problems for Toronto Dubas needed to pull up his big boy pants and trade Ballarina Willy.

Toronto trades Nylander
To
New Jersey for
Miles Woods, Nathan Bastian

Frees up 4 million in cap space and could allow more room to get another player. If Dubas would just smarten up and see that two 20 goal scorers are better than one proposed to 30 goal scorer with no grit!

For all you Nylander lovers out there if you can't see that Matthews or Tavares don't want to play with Nylander then your blind or nieve.

GOOD BYE BALLARINA WILLY

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24 Jan 2021 20:02:14
I don’t know if Pittsburgh does this deal but it’s fair value depending who you ask.

Miled wood I like and yes this deal saves 4 million to use elsewhere but if nylander got traded that’s basically it for adding to this roster so you better get 2 guys worth at least 6 million combined or that 4 million will just sit all year never to get used

You can’t afford top end skill wise to deal the other 3. Muzzin Brodie can’t go anywhere. Rielly would be a dumb move. Holl is playing like a 4 million player right now. The rest of the D are all just plugs. I can’t see Mikhayev or Hyman going anywhere. Thornton and summoned Cant. Spezza won’t and vesey who cares. Guess you could deal kerfoot but then to spend even 2 million extra I don’t see anyone giving up a 5.5 player back for him. The rest are all plugs.

I mean Keats have future 1sts but realistically only have 3 viable prospects worth anything to gain a 4 million dollar forward. Liljegren isn’t worth enough to move needle as solid add. Really it’s this deal then done so hopefully you are happy enough with miles bastian to make this deal

Miles isn’t a 20 goal man yet. He flirted with it once then 2 years if blah. Amazing 3rd liner would be great beside kerfoot and jankowski. Bastian gets shot with Mikhayev and Tavares and Hyman Matthews marner gets back together. The 4th line is actually good with vesey spezza simmonds with simmonds flip flopping with bastian.

I mean it’s not bad but the 3 with the role they become on this team might flirt with 40 maybe 50 goals combined if lucky however nylander stays and vesey and simmonds simply slide up to 3rd line while any plugger fills in bottom 2 spots. I’m sure 40 goals plus the extra goals vesey and sim minds get with more time might get leafs 50 or 60 now.

I get your point that yeah go get that 4 million guy but again who are you going to deal for him

Trading nylander yes. Like his dad if he doesn’t smarten up could have a 15 year 7 team career never staying with same team after the leafs more than 2 years. Just sayin smarting up nylander you’re better than this.

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24 Jan 2021 17:19:17
Dubas is apparently looking for a forward with the injuries the leafs for once have a healthy amount of depth

Tor: Dermott
Pit: jankowski

Leafs are going to lose Dermott in expansion if they don't move him so it makes sense to get something for him jankowski would be a good fit on that checking line big guy and a local kid

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24 Jan 2021 20:02:58
Does Pittsburgh need Dermott and if so get we done.

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24 Jan 2021 23:20:24
They are rumoured to be looking for some help on the blue line don’t know if it’s due to injury or cause they don’t like their blue line.

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24 Jan 2021 16:01:07
So revisiting the nylander for pesce trade that rlf posted below. Let's look at all the options we would have been afforded.

- point one we wouldn't need to trade kadri for cap restraints.

-We wouldn't have to sign Brodie for 5 million.

-We wouldn't have to trade kapanen or johnsson

-We could then have taken a run at markstrom and traded Andersen.

Andersen to Edmonton for James Neal and 2 firsts one for taking Neal and one for Andersen.

Leaf lineup

Hyman Matthews marner
Johnsson tavares Neal
Micheyev kadri kapanen
Engvall spezza Simmonds

Reilly pesce
Muzzin holl
Dermott bagoshian

Markstrom
Campbell

Vs

Thorton Matthews marner
Vesey tavares nylander
Micheyev kerfoot Hyman
Barabonov spezza simmonds

Reilly Brodie
Muzzin holl
Dermott bagoshian

Andersen
Campbell

Which wouod you prefer?

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24 Jan 2021 17:12:21
Let’s not pretend that kadri was traded due to cap reasons he was traded because he could control his emotions which led to hurting the leafs more in the playoffs.

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24 Jan 2021 20:16:17
Actually you need to deal kadri for kerfoot now as leafs are .8 over and that’s not including the 1.2 Kessel takes up. So 2 is needed

Kadri and kerfoot differance is 1 so shave 1 million

I’m not sold on markstrom. The defence is basically same just a tad younger now. Yes leafs have better depth but as rnh knows all to well Neal is now a middle 6 guy not too 6. Johnson you can say same.
Andersen won’t get a 1st back on his own. Maybe a 3rd. Either way I prefer kassian over Neal. May not be as offensive but now every line has a dirty guy and some lines 2. Lol

Yeah If you get kassian and now keep kadri i definetly am on board. Neal and no kadri isn’t worth it. Funny how kadri really adds as a 3C PP and can fill in on any line invade of injury or just because. I deal I’d take back but way more to this then him just getting dealt.

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24 Jan 2021 15:19:56
Keeping it rolling this weekend with the wild trades since its -52 outside, so here's another beaut! For the 2021 expansion/player draft floor(s).

So I'm letting Thornton and Spezza walk off into the sunset! Thanks for coming out b'ys!
Bogosain and Boyd cap savings cuts and also thanks for coming out.
Expansion Draft Protection list as follows
Tavares, Nylander, Marner, Mathews, Hymn, Kerfoot, Riley, Muzzin, Brodie and Andersen
Then at the expansion draft floor make these trades!

Tor gets
Nashville's 2nd round picks 2021 & 2022

Nashville gets
Holl D

Tor gets
Edmonton's 2nd round picks 2021 & 2022

Oilers gets
Dermot D

Bottom line, draft defence with those picks and permanently move up Liljigren and Sandin. Live by the draft sword and die by the draft sword! Now that these trades are done and we're not watching them go bye bye to Seattle for nothing we move onto the player draft!
Assuming none of these player got picked up by Seattle.

Tor gets
Seguin C/RW

Dallas gets
Marner RW
Toronto's 2nd round pick 2021

Tor gets
Crouse LW

Arizona gets
Engvall LW/C
Kivihalme D

Tor gets
Kassian RW

Oilers get
Kerfoot LW/C/RW

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Seguin
Robertson/Tavares/Kassian
Crouse/Nylander/Mikheyev
Barabanov/Hallander/Korshkov
Extras: Brooks & Maglin

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Brodie
Muzzin/Lethenon
Sandin/Liljigren
Extras: sign some fill'er in'er kind of characters!

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
And we assume no one wants our Campbell soup so he's back!

I'm pretty sure I've kept it under the cap got some pick depth and never lost anything of real importance to the expansion draft beside our defensive depth. That said I did scoop 4/2nd round picks while only giving up 1/2nd round pick.
Anyway something to think about! Should start some new trade trends for the rest of this day.

Peace!

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24 Jan 2021 15:59:42
I like your ideas very well thought out

I’ll only point out 1 thing. Unless Hyman and Andersen sign extensions before the expansion draft then no need to protect.

Other than that not bad at all.

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24 Jan 2021 15:12:24
Tor: Adrian Kempe
Lak: Travis Dermott Alex Barabanov

Put robertson, engvall on taxi

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24 Jan 2021 16:01:08
Cap don’t work and not sure if robertson can go to taxi since it’s equivalent to minors and Robertson can’t go that way. He is on Long term injury right now with Thornton.

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23 Jan 2021 21:56:00
3-way deal coming right up!

Tor gets
McJesus C
Kassian RW

Oilers get
Marner RW
Nylander C/RW
Sandin D
Liljigren D
Toronto's 1st round pick 2021
Seattle 2nd round pick 2021

Seattle gets
Toronto's 1st round pick 2022 via Edmonton
James Neal LW/RW
Edmonton 3rd round picks 2021 & 2022

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/McJesus/Mathews
Robertson/Tavares/Kassian
Mikheyev/Kerfoot/Vesey
Simmonds/Engvall/Thornton
Extras: Boyd, Spezza & Barabanov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Brodie
Muzzin/Holl
Dermot/Lethenon
Extras: Bogosain & Rosen

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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24 Jan 2021 11:21:57
That works cap wise but now Edmonton has one more less capable nhl top 9 player by dealing 3 forwards for 2
Draisaitl marner rnh nylander

After this it’s 2 rookies you hope stay healthy long enough or can be good enough all year to fill 2 vacant top 6 spots
After that archibald chaisson and turris are a decent enough 3rd line but archibald is better suited for 4th line role. There 4th line is still worse in the league making spezza and Brooks look like studs. They become 1 injury away from being a disaster if they already aren’t there.
If that happens chaisson or turris could fill in top 6 but not for long. If this happens now the bottom 6 is in real deep trouble.

Right now having Neal with rnh and 1 of their young guys on the wing works. Then the other young guy gets to play 4th line and although the 4th line is still a stinker it’s not as much of a stinker then if this deal went through

Edmonton’s problem isn’t talent they have so much of it. Problem is that talent is only a few players deep. Edmonton has horrible forward depth. Dealing mcdavid would need to address this.

You did find a creative way to find cap space though so good job with that.

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23 Jan 2021 14:42:41
Tor gets
McJesus C
Kassian RW

Oilers get
Marner RW
Nylander C/RW
Sandin D
Liljigren D
Toronto's 1st round pick 2021 & 2022

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/McJesus/Mathews
Robertson/Tavares/Kassian
Thornton/Kerfoot/Mikheyev
Simmonds/Engvall/Vesey
Extras: Boyd, Spezza & Barabanov

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Brodie
Muzzin/Holl
Dermot/Lethenon
Extras: Bogosain & Rosen

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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23 Jan 2021 16:47:10
I like this deal very much but unfortunetly Edmonton is so over the cap that they need to bury a capable bottom 6 player in khaira simply to save the team 1.125 million in cap. Instead it costs team .175 to bury him but only use him as emergency call up. Much like engvall he gets crappy end of deal because any contract between 1.175-1.3 are best contracts to bury as per the bury formula.
Not only that using him in a trade ends up saving Edmonton only .175 on their cap not the 1.3 he makes. Much like engvall again. I point this out so if anyone is reading this to try to remember if you deal a bury contracted player his cap savings is only that of his buried amount to team dealing player but his cap hit is full hit to team he goes to just so there is no confusion.

On top of that Edmonton needs to use klefbolm 4.1 million in LTIR just to get oilers under cap. So once klefbolm comes back if at all Edmonton is in deep trouble.

After all that my point is even if anyone likes or even agreed to this deal Toronto is handing Edmonton 17.5 in cap and only giving away 15.7 in cap so the deal is 1.8 million to much

Sorry

But I do like the thought.

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23 Jan 2021 21:13:17
Would have to take back some for of cap dump but I like it.

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23 Jan 2021 22:01:17
I looked over oilers roster and the guys making 1.8 and above are all the depth players oilers have. Also leafs would need to take back a guy making 2.5 million so oilers can replace that player dealt and his vacant roster spot with at least a league minimum. The more the player taking that spot makes (just for example one of sandin/ liljegren .866) then the player dealt now needs to be worth 2.666. I like that final digest on that number and that is an example of the oilers are in.

I mean they could hand over RNH instead of kassian to now save a big 1 million but now leafs are over cap. Plus that probably defeats purpose of getting marner/ nylander for mcdavid.

You could get cap closer with James Neal but again leafs are still a smidge over cap still

You could go after nurse and hand over holl but mcdavid kassian nurse for nylander marner holl now is in favor of leafs. Larsson could be the guy with Holl included but trading a Larsson for any hall/ holl any way you spell it would be once again won by team dealing or receiving a hall/ holl. That leaves kris Russell. Him for holl favors oilers now so this deal now can happen. Oh wait Russell has a 15 team trade list and being from Alberta I hardly doubt leafs would be on it. Klefbolm for holl covers the cap hit but now Edmonton becomes 3.8 over cap without klefbolm LTIR so no dice. You could get Edmonton to give up bear and his 2 million but now Toronto owes one or both of amirov and Robertson. Would you do that? plus who would leafs put on waivers to add bear. Dermott vesey spezza again I mean it’s all complicated but still here’s the remake counter deal

Nylander
Marner
Sandin
Liljegren
Robertson
Amirov
2 1sts

For
Mcdavid
Kassian
Bear



So as you see no matter how you look at it marner/ nylander for mcdavid/ kassian doesn’t work. It simply doesn’t no matter how you slice it dice it maneuver bodies. It simply won’t work.

Even replacing kassian with Neal or rnh would only make it so vesey get thrown in deal

Nylander marner vesey Sandin liljegren 2 1st
For
Mcdavid RNH or Neal

Edmonton would laugh so hard

That’s it folks it was long it was pointless but unless you deal only nylander along with kerfoot vesey Sandin liljegren 2 1st and probably 1 of Robertson or amirov

Or
Marner with vesey and Sandin liljegren 1 of Robertson or amirov and 2 1sts

I don’t see mcdavid coming to Toronto unless you start with Matthews

Sorry.

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23 Jan 2021 08:46:02
Tor gets
Dubois C
Jones D

Columbus gets
Marner RW
Holl D
Engvall C
Toronto's 1st round picks 2021 and 2022.

Toronto's forward lines
Hymn/Mathews/Dubois
Vesey/Tavares/Kerfoot
Thornton/Nylander/Mikheyev
Robertson/Spezza/Barabanov
Extras: Boyd & Brooks

Toronto's defensive lines
Riley/Jones
Muzzin/Brodie
Dermot/Bogosain
Extras: Sandin & Liljigren

Toronto's Goalies
Andersen Sg
Campbell Bg

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23 Jan 2021 14:03:27
Not bad. Don’t think marner holl is enough to lure Jones away from Columbus. The 1st rounder picks are probably late teens to mid 20s picks so might not really move the needle enough to get Jones. Engvall definetly would be a solid throw in to any deal with Columbus as he is Columbus type player

I think a Dubois Jones deal starts and finishes with Matthews and Matthews alone.

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24 Jan 2021 13:20:40
Apparently retaining some of laine and throwing in a Columbus boy gets you Dubois

Lmfao Chevy.

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