05 Jul 2023 20:41:16
TO WPG : Samsonov Rights
Nylander $6,962,366

To TOR : Hellybuck

Unless of course 10 team m-ntc includes WPG from Nylander then this is an issue that would need resolving or teh leafs would need to find a different pacskge of young players or picks and or both ...


like this maybe

Samsonov rights
Roberston
Niemela
Minten
McMann or any combo of 3 of 4 of them plus a pick depending on which 3 they take..

as it looks like the jets want picks and prospects

1.) 05 Jul 2023
05 Jul 2023 21:44:44
I'm really not sure where Nylander would refuse to go.

Only a handful of teams would ever be willing to pay a 28yo with his skillset 10x8yrs that expires at 36 years old. Imo, he takes what he can get.

I really like this trade as well.

2.) 05 Jul 2023
05 Jul 2023 22:11:07
Nylander has to be part of it for the money to work. I proposed the exact same trade earlier.

3.) 05 Jul 2023
05 Jul 2023 22:46:10
This Hellebuyck obsession is too much. He's 30. Sure, he has been a very good regular season goalie. He has lead his team to 5 playoff appearances in 7 seasons. Pretty good. But the playoffs are something different. He has lead his team past the first round twice, kinda. His first playoff appearance he took them on a long run and hasn't done it since. The shortened 2020-21 season where they beat the Oilers in 4 straight and then lost to the Canadiens in 4 straight is his next best playoff run. 3 out of his 5 playoffs he has had under a .920sv%. Twice his goals against has been above 3.00, including last season where he had a dismal 3.44GAA and .886sv%. He has started 40 playoff games and won 17 of them. That's simply not good and it's not like the Jets were horrible teams.

This is the guy that is going to lead the Leafs to a Cup and give up whatever necessary to get him and give him whatever he wants to re-sign him? Really? A guy who is now 30 years old and is coming off a horrible playoffs and has had 1 dominate playoff run in his career.

Beyond that, Nylander is the Leafs best trade chip and if their D stays as it is, the goalie won't really matter. They need to improve the D first. You trade Nylander for a goalie with a $6.17M cap hit, how are you know going to improve the D with no cap space? Sure, move Murray, but that leaves them with only about $2.5M if using Muzzin's LTIR, to improve the D and they also lost a 40 goal scorer they have no money left to replace and received no young talent in return to develop. If the Leafs trade prospects and picks for Hellebuyck, now they have to trade Nylander for prospects and picks because they won't have any cap space to add a top 4 D in return. Then of course next year, in order to keep Hellebuyck the Leafs will need to give him at least $7.5-$8M with term to a 31 year old goalie.

Alternately, Samsonov is only 26 and should come in around 1/ 2 Hellbuyck's cap hit and then if they trade Nylander to improve the D, which that D will likely have a lower cap hit then Willy and they will likely get a + with him, the Leafs have cap space left to add upfront if needed especially after they move Murray.

When the team is really good, the goalie just needs to be good, not necessarily great. Is Adin Hill a great goalie? Is Keumper a great goalie? Binnington had one good run and now he struggles big time. That's just recently on SC winners. The goalie just needs to catch fire at the right time.

4.) 05 Jul 2023
05 Jul 2023 23:28:19
RLF convinced me.

Let's go get a D. Screw Hell Boy.

5.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 00:00:13
1) Definitely Winnipeg is on Nylander’s 10 team no trade list.

2) Hellebuyck wants a $9 - $9.5 x 7 extension.
Paying goaltenders that kind of money is bad management.

3) In 2022 - 2023
Samsonov: .919 SV%, 2.33 GAA
Hellebuyck: .920 SV%, 2.49 GAA

4) Samsonov is 26
Hellebuyck is 30

So why trade a goaltender that you can resign at $4 for a goaltender that is making $6 this year and wants $9+ for another 7 years when their numbers are virtually identical.

6.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 01:34:34
I am with RLF and LL on this. at first the idea of heelebuyck sounds awesome. but then you look at our D and think we need another defensive style player to pair with Rielly. then the fact that we lose the 40 goals. and there is no way to replace either cause of the cap. and no garrantees that we can sign Helle for a decent price. i for one don't wanna pay him 10mil. and i don't wanna lose the assets we'd get for trading Willy. no. this is not the trade we need. i'll take my chances with Samsonov and an improved D.

7.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 01:35:33
Identical you say one has played for 8 seasons averaging 56 games one has played 4 averaging less than 30 so your comparison is deeply deeply deeply flawed.

8.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 01:38:05
You go with the better goalie NOW . That’s hellybuck. You leaf fans are alike. Worried about the future. Isn’t the idea to win a cup. Won a cup now worry about the future in the future. The now is HELLYBUCK. The future who cares. Go all in or go home. Matthews Marner won’t be young forever tavares is proof of that.

9.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 02:28:48
Sorokin set the market. Hellybuck will get 7 million or so.

10.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 02:41:52
How many different profiles are you going to make up for yourself to make it look like there are others who agree?

11.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 18:37:28
RLF. You suggest this multiple profile thing. Sounds like you’ve mastered the concept. Who has time for such nonsense like really. Just because people disagree with you and agree with others you don’t need to get bitter. This whole site is for friendly banter can’t handle that well that’s a you problem and maybe this isn’t the site for you.

12.) 06 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 20:08:04
Willthyeverwinit.
lol Bitter? lol I have been on here for years, I think myself and others have good banter on here newbie.

Curious. How did you know I was referring to you? Seems like you see the similarities of your profile with another profile as well.

13.) 07 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 23:54:42
Because you said it irrigation after the post.

14.) 07 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 23:55:50
Yes RLF. People actually agree with others on here. Amazing isn’t it.

15.) 07 Jul 2023
06 Jul 2023 23:56:48
So your many years on here gives you a stays or something, gives you the right to be a dick when others disagree
Do better.

16.) 07 Jul 2023
07 Jul 2023 00:14:43
3 more posts from you just to make sure you get in one more word. Yea, I'm the bitter one and the one who has difficulty with those who disagree with me (but not you) . lol.

17.) 07 Jul 2023
07 Jul 2023 03:49:01
Hang on guys. i'm gonna get some popcorn. this war of words is getting good. LOL.