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08 Oct 2024 16:47:46
SJ
Liljegren $3M
Tor
Kostin $2M
Both have had struggles throughout their careers. Berube would be familiar with Kostin, but not sure what Berube thought of him. SJ could use some NHL ready D. They have two veteran RD's on expiring contracts. Both are the same age. Both former 1st round picks from the same draft.
Kostin is still RFA at end of season. Leafs get a little cap relief from the deal
1.) 08 Oct 2024 19:01:49
I like this deal RLF but we need to get rid of a few people. I was thinking,
Robertson and Lily for Goodrow on SJ.
Then we trade Jarnkrok to Clb for a 4th and this team don’t look too bad.
Knies Matthews Domi
Patches JT Marner
McMann Goodrow Nylander
Lorentz Kampf Reaves spare Holmberg IR Dewar
Rielly Tanev
OEL Myers
Benoit McCabe
Rifai/ Timmins spares Hakanpaa on IR.
2.) 09 Oct 2024 00:39:46
Robertson and Liljegren for Goodrow?
After Robertson led the team in preseason scoring?
Robertson is just coming into his own after missing a lot of time with serious injuries over the past 3 years.
Goodrow is a 31 year old, 3rd/ 4th line player, a commodity Leafs have more than enough of.
Surely you jest.
3.) 09 Oct 2024 01:00:02
I’d take holmberg over goodrow
Plus goodrows contract is horrendous.
06 Oct 2024 23:06:29
Phil
Liljegren $3M
Tor
2025 2nd(worst of the 3)
Should be good for both teams.
1.) 07 Oct 2024 00:12:40
Liljegren’s time in Toronto appears to be done.
A 2nd would be nice as Leafs don’t have one in 2025.
2.) 07 Oct 2024 01:17:38
cuts the cap and up to the scouting staff to add into considerations.
Gotta do something and it seems Lilly is a good #m to ease our cap for a start. Smart move.
3.) 07 Oct 2024 02:16:04
I’m sure Torts would love having Lilybust and his meathead plays in his lineup.
4.) 07 Oct 2024 10:01:53
Sorry to put a damper but the only way we are getting a 2nd for Lily is if we are putting a 3rd in the deal as well and even then, if I was a Philly fan I’d still say no. I personally think he brings a 3rd if we’re lucky for a later year (2026/ 27) but probably a 4th. Teams know he couldn’t make our top 8 D, he is a project at this point for anyone to take on.
5.) 07 Oct 2024 13:04:24
Lily doesn’t get a second. Package him with Jarnkok for a second and a 4th while freeing up over 5 million.
6.) 07 Oct 2024 13:37:41
I've been an advocate for moving Lily for a few years, I'm not a fan, but under the right circumstance, I think he could get a 2nd. Otherwise, I would say a 3rd. Philly could be that situation. They are into their rebuild and have 3 1sts and 3 2nds for the 2025 draft. Only Risto and Drysdale as current right shot D. At still only 25, Lily could be worth a 2nd to them. imo
I don't put much stock into -he didn't make the team in Toronto, so he is worth nothing. That's because Toronto is transitioning their D into a different style, he is still a 3rd pair NHL D-man imo. At the deadline, 3rd pair D often get 2nd's in a return without being under contract except for the playoff run. Lily is under contract for this year and next, which should add some value-despite it being $3M per.
7.) 07 Oct 2024 14:47:15
I posted a pair of seconds for him in one on my previous rants
Got toasted by the experts
I think he could fetch a second and Philly does make sense, but I suspect we would need to add a b prospect as well.
8.) 07 Oct 2024 16:45:09
To be fair Stumpy, when you're proposing a Lily trade for a pair of 2nd's compared to one 2nd, they're not in the same ballpark.
I could still see Lily possibly getting a 2nd, but a 3rd may be more realistic considering how his camp has gone.
9.) 07 Oct 2024 16:49:51
I think if the leafs add a guy like steeves it would work.
10.) 08 Oct 2024 01:49:07
Steeves could have been had for nothing
Nobody took him
So his trade value is 00000.
01 Oct 2024 13:20:28
Flyers
Liljegren $3M
Tor
Spencer Gill ELC
Liljegren fits into the age range of what the Flyers would be looking for. They have stock piled picks and prospects.
Leafs get an RD prospect that fits into Treliving's size of D-men while clearing enough cap space to sign any of the PTO's they wish.
1.) 01 Oct 2024 19:52:33
How does a prospect help up right now. We need upgrades for right now, not in 4 years.
2.) 01 Oct 2024 21:10:29
Robertson will stop hustling after 20 games
Become a healthy scratch.
3.) 01 Oct 2024 21:43:31
Hrenklin. You feel Lily is an upgrade on Tanev, McCabe or Hakinpaa on the right side?
I don't think he is.
If Lily isn't better than the other 3, then how can Lily return the Leafs an "ready now upgrade" in a trade?
4.) 02 Oct 2024 01:12:51
The problem with trading Liljegren for futures is: “Who replaces him? ”
Not a trade I would like to see the Leafs make.
Leafs are building towards at least making the Conference Finals this year.
I don’t think trading Liljegren for futures helps that goal at all.
If anyone thinks that Tanev and Hakanpää are going to make it through the season without missing serious time due to injury then they have not been paying attention to the injury history of these two players who will be 35 (in 2 1/ 2 months) and 32 respectively.
Liljegren may be overpaid but the depth he brings to the team is invaluable.
5.) 02 Oct 2024 12:36:41
Waterbuffalo
Trade Liljegren and they still have Timmins, Myers, Mattinen and Niemela as right shot depth. That's pretty good depth. The $3M in cap space also opens up the ability to add players now (Ie, Patches/ Lorentz) without losing anyone overly important to waivers. Or they can bank the cap space for the deadline.
6.) 02 Oct 2024 14:45:43
@Hrenklin
The leafs have little to know draft capital so by trading for prospects it allows them to keep the system cycling with new talent sometimes you get lucky where a prospect doesn’t do well in one organization and then thrives in another the leafs have saw this happen a lot with their own prospects in recent years I don’t think a third pair liljgren is worth 3 mil I’d rather move him out and use a cheaper option maybe let somemarlies see some ice rafi has earned that kinda look.
24 Sep 2024 15:27:45
Ana
Jarnkrok $2.1M
Liljegren $3M
Robertson $.875M
Tor
Colangelo $.925M
Warren $.825M
McGinn($700K retained)$2M
Anaheim picks up a solid vet in Jarnkrok who can help their PK and put up some points. A 3rd pair RD in Liljegren. They only have 1 Right shot D on the roster, although Luneau likely makes the team. Also a young potential 20 goal scoring winger who is from California in Robertson.
For one, Leafs get cap space and reduce the logjam. Colangelo may make the team. Warren is a year or two off likely, but a big shutdown RD. They take on McGinn in order to get the return they do. He fights for a 4th line position or put on waivers.
1.) 25 Sep 2024 01:45:07
So leafs trade 2 regulars and they get nothing back
Game 2 preseason
Cowen having bad camp
Steeves led both clubs in hits I think he had 8 hits
McMann had six shots on net
That was all the leafs had going at forward.
2.) 25 Sep 2024 13:08:24
Weathermac
They get two cost controlled prospects that better suit the style of team they are trying to build, plus an NHL vet in McGinn. $4M in cap space to sign Patches and possibly Lorentz.
I've always liked Myers and if he can play like he did last night, Liljegren is easily expendable.
You keep wanting to trade Jarnkrok AND Kampf for a 4th, but complain about this return. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
3.) 25 Sep 2024 13:40:58
Way too much from leafs basically just getting some cap space. Need a better return.
4.) 25 Sep 2024 23:23:06
Instead of McGinnis take a year of vatrano?
Either way I am all for it?.
14 Aug 2024 15:55:01
WPG
Robertson RFA
Minten ELC
Tor
McGroarty(With signing)
1.) 14 Aug 2024 16:32:01
Why Minten is better.
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08 Oct 2024 12:46:52
Below, I had a question about the rules for claiming a player at this time of year. I thought there was something about not being able to send the player down if a team claims him.
This is what I could find, but can't say if it is accurate.
If the waiver claim is made before November 1st of the hockey year, then the NHL standings from the previous year will be used, again with the lowest team in the standings getting first priority.
The team who gets the players has two obligations:
1.They must take on the entirety of the players contract.
2.They must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
The team winning the claim cannot simply put the players into the minors but must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
What you will often see happen is that a player will get put on waivers not be claimed and then traded a few days later. Why would a team not claim a player they could get for free and instead trade for him only a few days later?
The main reason would be salary cap implications. A team has to claim the entirety of the player's contract and they often will not have enough cap space to fit the player onto their roster. Therefore, they need to trade a player from their organization or have the other team take on some of the player's salary to make it work with their salary cap.
Anyhow, not sure if that helps anyone, but I thought there was something about not being able to send him down if you claim him now. Seems it may be an issue.
1.) 08 Oct 2024 14:54:22
Interesting!
I knew that the team acquiring a player from waivers needs to have enough cap space to fit the contract and that the player must be added to the team immediately.
I didn't know that said player has to remain on the roster for the entire season. It definitely makes it more of a risk to pick someone up from waivers.
Do you know if the team can put this player on waivers at a later date if he's not working out?
2.) 08 Oct 2024 16:58:25
I was under the impression they couldn't be waived for 30 days not for the year.
14 Sep 2024 13:09:47
This probably won't be popular, but I would like to see the Leafs try this as their top 2 lines
Domi Matthews McMann
Nylander JT Marner
Then 3rd line would have Knies with Kampf and one of Grebyonkin, Cowan, Minten, Patches(Whomever makes team)
4th line of Dewar at centre with a combination of Reaves, Holmberg and extra forward that makes team.
I like Jarnkrok, but time to move on and hopefully get a pick prospect. With Columbus needing obvious help, Jarnkrok for Del Bel Belluz or Svozil. Two guys I have targeted in the past.
1.) 14 Sep 2024 14:07:45
I'm not sure McMann has proven enough to play top line. Personally, I would swap him with either Knies or Patches (depending how camp goes) .
I do like the 2nd line, but IMO Tre would need to trade for a 3C with this top heavy line up. I really don't want to see Kampf playing 3C and Dewar and/ or Holmberg are not really good on the dot (both are much better suited on the wing IMO) .
Knies/ Patches Matthews Domi
Nylander Tavares Marner
Knies/ Patches? McMann
Dewar Kampf Holmberg/ Reaves
If Tre can turn Jarnkrok, Robertson & possibly Liljegren into a 3C, then we're talking with this line up IMO.
2.) 14 Sep 2024 18:12:09
I'm good with trying this. I really liked Mcmann.
By any measure, Mathews will drag any line mates he has up to a good level, and continue to produce. Stack the second line and let Mathews do his thing on first line.
3.) 15 Sep 2024 14:12:02
That's thinking LL. To me, (I know I have said this before), McMann plays like Hyman. Many said the same thing about Hyman when Babs put him with Matthews and Nylander/ Marner. They said he hadn't earned it, not good enough for top line etc etc. I argued with people constantly that he deserved to be there because he creates openings and space for Matthews/ Marner/ Nylander despite not getting a lot of points. Now everyone loves Hyman.
Domi would be the playmaker (with bite) and McMann is a very good forechecker with size who can skate. Matthews obviously the finisher and both Matthews and McMann are very good defensively. Then load up the second line with offence. It becomes a top 6 that's hard to handle. I think the bottom 6 would still get production.
4.) 15 Sep 2024 15:28:47
Love it
But shouldn’t Marner be on the third line as a checking winger? ??.
5.) 16 Sep 2024 11:19:18
I’m on board with not having marner on that top line I think if patches makes the team I do think he starts on line two with marner and jt and if nylander plays centre it’s on the third line.
23 Aug 2024 18:47:14
Just for a new topic.
If youo think of a player that may be available and the cost would likely be Cowan+(a 1st for instance). Who would you be willing to trade Cowan and a good + for?
1.) 23 Aug 2024 22:57:17
Rasmus Andersson.
2.) 23 Aug 2024 23:30:32
Considering the cap, we would have to trade for someone with a low AAV.
Cowan & 2025 2nd
For
Brock Faber & 2025 4th.
3.) 24 Aug 2024 04:33:52
I like Wendel's. Agree with Andersson. Cowan+1st.
4.) 25 Aug 2024 15:28:24
Askarov?
For me, this is a tough question until we see this team in action and see what we are missing, if woll struggles out the gate, might consider doing it for a top 5 goalie, but that's unlikely to be available.
Defenseman I want to see how our unit meshes, also whether hakanpaa is able to sign or not.
5.) 26 Aug 2024 01:08:38
Geez Randy answer the question
Are you a politician?
6.) 26 Aug 2024 02:31:34
Jiricek from CLB. Big solid, young talented RHD that is NHL ready. Play him with OEL.
7.) 26 Aug 2024 15:42:54
Rasmus Andersson was my pick as well. Leafs would need to shed some cap to make it work.
Cowan, Liljegren and a 1st for Andersson?
15 Jul 2024 14:34:22
Thought this might be a good topic on here.
If you're the Leafs GM and you can only make one move before the season starts, what is it?
It can be a certain player traded, sent down, bought out etc, or a change in one management role, but only one move.
Mine would be a Marner trade. There are other players I would like to move, but if I could only do one thing, it's trade Marner.
1.) 15 Jul 2024 15:27:30
I got 2, first one is going back in the past and one is now
Trade nylander instead of signing him long term. This guy in my eyes plays with no heart or determination
My pick now would be trade marner. They have to I really hope there is somthing happening on the down low but I just can’t see it. I would rather keep marner then nylander but they gave the bank to nylander already obviously.
2.) 15 Jul 2024 16:44:34
I agree on Mitchy. Even if it's a sub-par return, I'm moving him.
@Kmores I wouldn't have resigned him either, but this is where we're at.
3.) 15 Jul 2024 23:02:01
I agree with Marner being the trade piece. But, if he doesn't waive, then I'm thinking Liljegren . I think he would get us a better return as opposed to Kampf, Jarnkrok or Robertson.
I would trade him for a 3C.
4.) 16 Jul 2024 01:55:47
Tags. You got one move is the idea that you have to commit to, not a contingency plan as well. lol.
5.) 16 Jul 2024 02:18:09
Lol, Marner then.
6.) 16 Jul 2024 05:13:49
Nylander. If I could move that 11.5M NMC and get a decent asset in return. I’m all for it and resign Mitch to 10M or he can go fly a kite too. Nylander/ Mitch (one of), Robertson, Liljegren, Jarnkrok all need to go.
7.) 16 Jul 2024 14:26:08
@Clarky oddly enough, Willy has won me over more than Mitch over the last few years. I don't think either one should be on the team, but I can agree with that contract being horrible.
8.) 16 Jul 2024 14:33:42
Clarky. Can't re-sign Mitch or get rid of the rest because your one move was trading Nylander.
9.) 16 Jul 2024 14:47:46
One move, would be sign Mitch 8×8, you say no contingency, but saying he doesn't sign then trade his ass.
10.) 16 Jul 2024 16:06:07
Randy. If he won't sign, you haven't made a move, so trade him is the one move. Seems like you're on the trade Marner as the most important move as well.
11.) 16 Jul 2024 18:44:49
My take is he should take a discount, over paid last time, should come in under paid this time.
12.) 17 Jul 2024 22:37:22
My one move would be to make the Leafs a PWHL expansion team.
Just cause.
13.) 18 Jul 2024 13:37:41
Jmaxx.
Lol. Unfortunately that is a guarantee to extend the Cup-less drought.
01 Jul 2024 17:06:21
Anaheim has been very quiet. He was my number 1 choice for a Marner trade. They have kept all their cap space.
07 Oct 2024 13:37:41
I've been an advocate for moving Lily for a few years, I'm not a fan, but under the right circumstance, I think he could get a 2nd. Otherwise, I would say a 3rd. Philly could be that situation. They are into their rebuild and have 3 1sts and 3 2nds for the 2025 draft. Only Risto and Drysdale as current right shot D. At still only 25, Lily could be worth a 2nd to them. imo
I don't put much stock into -he didn't make the team in Toronto, so he is worth nothing. That's because Toronto is transitioning their D into a different style, he is still a 3rd pair NHL D-man imo. At the deadline, 3rd pair D often get 2nd's in a return without being under contract except for the playoff run. Lily is under contract for this year and next, which should add some value-despite it being $3M per.
04 Oct 2024 20:18:49
Tree takes a lot of flak. Don't think it is all deserved. Look at our d-core and goaltending depth this season. Much better than whatever Dubas built and Dubas wasn't old-school by any means. So, Leafs already tried the modern thinker for GM and that didn't work out very well. I'm glad to have a bit of a so-called old school thinker at the helm.
04 Oct 2024 20:15:49
35 is down from the 40 you predicted for Robertson last year weathermac.
Do you see regression in him already? lol
I will take 22 goals this year, but they may not be all - or any for the Leafs.
02 Oct 2024 12:36:41
Waterbuffalo
Trade Liljegren and they still have Timmins, Myers, Mattinen and Niemela as right shot depth. That's pretty good depth. The $3M in cap space also opens up the ability to add players now (Ie, Patches/ Lorentz) without losing anyone overly important to waivers. Or they can bank the cap space for the deadline.
01 Oct 2024 21:43:31
Hrenklin. You feel Lily is an upgrade on Tanev, McCabe or Hakinpaa on the right side?
I don't think he is.
If Lily isn't better than the other 3, then how can Lily return the Leafs an "ready now upgrade" in a trade?
07 Oct 2024 13:42:06
Goat.
Agreed. Isn't there some rule about claiming a player and assigning him to the AHL though?
25 Sep 2024 13:11:57
Nope, Cowan hasn't looked ready. I'm not that surprised.
Myers has always been a guy I thought would be more than happy has been. All the tools, cant seem to put it all together for long enough stretches. Hopefully he has it figured out.
15 Sep 2024 14:12:02
That's thinking LL. To me, (I know I have said this before), McMann plays like Hyman. Many said the same thing about Hyman when Babs put him with Matthews and Nylander/ Marner. They said he hadn't earned it, not good enough for top line etc etc. I argued with people constantly that he deserved to be there because he creates openings and space for Matthews/ Marner/ Nylander despite not getting a lot of points. Now everyone loves Hyman.
Domi would be the playmaker (with bite) and McMann is a very good forechecker with size who can skate. Matthews obviously the finisher and both Matthews and McMann are very good defensively. Then load up the second line with offence. It becomes a top 6 that's hard to handle. I think the bottom 6 would still get production.
11 Sep 2024 14:39:24
I would say about 0 chance Knies is sent down.
10 Sep 2024 16:15:30
Tags. Thanks. I don't read or listen very often to reporters, so didn't hear that.