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25 Oct 2020 14:50:13
NJ
Kerfoot 3.5
Liljegren .863

Leafs
Mcloed .863
Bastian ELC
Zutterland ELC

NJ needs more experienced NHL talent and with Zajac gone at end of season, Kerfoot makes a great 3C for them that can move up the lineup when needed or play the wing and penalty kill. NJ has loads of good forward prospects, but a little light on D prospects, especially NHL ready. Liljegren fills an area of need as they seem to be doing just one year vet deals to fill out their D this year. NJ has lots of cap space to use both this year and next.

Tor gets a young 3/4C who has really worked on his defensive game. The perfect year for Toronto to bring in a guy like Mcloed as they have Spezza and Thornton in the mix. They also pick up two close to, or maybe ready prospects to move into the bottom 6 either this year or next. Both are hard working, gritty types. Leafs also create 3.5 in cap space.

Basically works out to Liljegren for Mcloed and Kerfoot for Bastian and Zutterland.

RLF

1.) 25 Oct 2020 15:51:14
Funny how leafs fought Nylander so hard but caved into Marner and after two seasons he hasn’t come close to earning his ticket. The bar to earn 10.5 million must be Patrick Kane. Marner isn’t anywhere near Kane who is coming up on 32 years old.


2.) 25 Oct 2020 17:23:10
Kane's Best season is already played but Marner dont, and kane ppg 1.05 and Marner 0,97 Who is 23year old and still better season Come to future, kane is old and he already played Best season. First 4 season kane didn't do much vs. Marner. I want Marner stay to leafs not kane play Leafs never thanks. Kane is good not god remember that and he is 32years old. Summasummarum Marner is better and younger that kane when Marner played 1000games. let's see, nobody no who is better when Marner play 1000games. You are fanatic kane fan and i like Marner play. Both Cap is too much but 99% Hockey fans choose younger Marner own team than kane. Maby kane is too old and he can play couble season 70-80points play,
So kane is gone and Marner is future ppg player. Easy selection Marner.

This is Leafs web site go to hawks web site write kane kane kane kane and kane funny stories. Thanks.


3.) 25 Oct 2020 18:13:53
Age 19/ 20’season yr2-5 Kane

317gms 105g 192 a 297pts

Age 19/ 20 season yr1-4 marner
300 gms. 83g. 208a. 291pts

Since signing 10+million deal Kane

396gms. 184g. 281a. 465pts. 2.17ppg

Since signing 10+million deal marner

59 gms. 16g. 51a. 67pts. 2.13ppg

Outside the cups Kane won before his big contract please show me how Kane is so much better?


4.) 25 Oct 2020 18:50:58
Dave just got schooled. lol.


5.) 25 Oct 2020 19:21:01
Funny, pretty sure neither Kane or Marner was in this trade. lol.


6.) 25 Oct 2020 20:28:34
Yeah sorry bout that

Deal wise kerfoot and devils never a good trade partner. Kerfoot said hells no as being a harvard grad can’t stand Princeton

University rivals is a real thing

Kerfoot never “EVER” will play or cheer anything jersey.


7.) 25 Oct 2020 20:33:20
That escalated quickly for a trade without either player lol.


8.) 25 Oct 2020 21:12:20
Your analysis always make me think Craiggers. Forgot about the princeton rivalry.


9.) 25 Oct 2020 21:19:30
If leafs won’t use Liljegren I’m sure jersey would.

Murray Subban
Butcher Severson

Then Liljegren Carrick and a LD for bottom pairing/ 7th

McLeod has had rough go due to being 12th overall pressure. Good player and fit right into bottom 6 for leafs. Cheap and nhl level that’s what leafs need for bottom 6

Vesey kerfoot Simmonds 3rd

Barbasov, Thornton, spezza, McLeod, Boyd
All solid bottom 3/ extra 2 guys

So Lilly for McLeod I’d go for.


10.) 25 Oct 2020 22:03:09
Princeton rivalry an interesting component. I wonder what would happen if he got traded there as he doesn't have a no trade. Would he refuse to report? Does it go that deep?


11.) 25 Oct 2020 22:55:36
Seattle expansion

Thomas hickey
Calvin pickard
Jason zucker
Alexander kerfoot
Shea theodore
Keegan kolesar
Matthew barzal
Ethan bear

8 most eligable players in nhl who could be both drafted by whl and expansion Seattle team

Calvin pickard could easily become 1st player to be picked by both Seattle teams and Vegas expansion

Weirdness

Kerfoot denied Seattle whl to go to Harvard. He has nothing against Seattle though except his dads whitecaps are huge rivals to Seattle’s Sounders mls team.

Fun stuff and thanks leafs life always try recalling my many adventures in the sports and Rumors I heard years ago. Starts to get foggy with age but still fun recalling.


12.) 26 Oct 2020 00:26:58
Good point after all back then he couldn’t sign over a million so going anywhere but jersey was an option. Now @ 3.5 if dealt I’m sure he’d report

I think it’s more jersey end now as they haven’t forgot and 3.5 wouldn't sit well with them.


13.) 26 Oct 2020 01:21:09
Do professional athletes carry school rivalries with them to the big leagues? They are professionals aren’t they?

I would think Kerfoot refusing to sign with Jersey might have had something to do with them not being a very good team than a school rivalry.

But I’ve never spoken to Kerfoot so I don’t know.


 

 

22 Oct 2020 18:42:16
NYR
Kerfoot 3.5
Dermott RFA

Leafs
Howden .863
Robertson ELC

NYR gets better now and more experienced down the middle with Kerfoot to help their furfure stars grow. With a contract that ends in 3 seasons, he won't be in the way of re-signing Laf. Dermott offers them a cost controlled LD where they are weakest and can replace one of Smith/Johnson at end of season as both are UFA.NYR is pretty loaded in D prospects with Miller, Libor, Schneider. Dermott helps them now and the future.

In Howden, Leafs get a young 3rd line centre who is still maturing and shouldn't cost too much to re-sign at end of season, plus a good LD prospect with some size in Robertson. Leafs move out 2.6 in cap space which could now possibly allow them to make another move.

RLF

1.) 22 Oct 2020 22:05:10
Why Robertson when they have Lundqvist and Schneider both in the system?

I’d rather keep Dermott, who is an actual nhl player, than trade him for Robertson. The bulk of the cap savings, by far, in this trade comes from swapping Kerfoot for Howden. The savings between Dermott and Robertson is so small that we are better off keeping Dermott, who is contributing right now, immediately and significantly.

If Rielly and Muzzin both go down with injury at the same time, I would feel a lot more comfortable with Dermott on the team than Robertson.


2.) 22 Oct 2020 22:32:36
I would be happy with Robertson
Not much to howdens game really Competitive up and down not much offense. Third line Center no higher.
Perhaps can become a solid penalty killer is big enough to be a shutdown type. Who knows put him with Robertson and Simmonds may surprise us all

The cap space is nice
Sign another vet dman needed for compressed 50 game schedule.


3.) 23 Oct 2020 01:03:37
HL. Dermott is gone in the expansion draft most likely if we keep him. Robertson is still a year away I figure and we cost less than Dermott for more years. I like Robertson and doubt they trade Schneider after moving up to draft him. With Spezza and Thornton this year, Howden doesn't have to be full time 3rd line centre and will not cost us anywhere near as much yearly which allows us to put more into the bottom 6 or on D.


4.) 23 Oct 2020 04:59:05
Why will Dermott be gone? It really depends on Lehtonen far as I see it. Rather keep Dermott than Holl. Even if you like Holl he has no more upside. He's a 4-5 on the leafs and a 5-6 on most other teams. Dermott can still improve.


5.) 23 Oct 2020 10:12:02
Leafs can also protect 4 forwards and 4 defensemen. The way the roster is constructed right now, I think that is the approach they want to take.

I understand your reasoning, trying to get assets instead of losing Dermott for nothing makes a lot of sense, but Robertson is not even be NHL ready. He was still playing junior last year. For this year, I think they want to have the strongest roster possible. Dermott definitely is the better player.

I mean, the value is there. And I love Robertson’s size, but if we do end up dumping Dermott for a prospect, he would be a good one, though I would still rather see another proper RHD in return.


6.) 23 Oct 2020 13:42:54
Leafs may go 4 and 4 for protection, but unless the pick up another top 4D, I don't think they do. Dermott will have to play himself into the top 4 this year and replace Holl if he is to be protected. imo

Reasoning. Matthews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Muzzin and Brodie are locks to protect.

Next-Dermott and Holl on D. Kerfoot, Mikheyev and Hyman if he re-signs upfront. If re-sign Hyman, he is pretty much a lock I would think. Otherwise, it is possible Mikheyev taking a little less after a deal was agreed to, was with a promise from Dubas he would be protected. Even if that is not the case, unless Dermott takes a big step, they have replacements in Sandin, Holl (unless he is taken by Seattle instead) . Hard to replace Hyman. Hard to replace Mikheyev at his cap hit. To me, Dermott is on the outside looking in at the moment. So why not get a player we do not have to protect (I know Robertson is not ready for at least a year) or an upgrade by moving him with another piece that we will need to protect.


7.) 23 Oct 2020 21:17:34
Dermott for Guentzel and 2nd rounder

Suck it.


 

 

21 Oct 2020 16:09:46
Despite what Jumbo has said, I don't think we are built right yet. I don't want to move Nylander, but I do think it is the right move to strengthen other areas and create some cap space for now and the future.

Nash
Nylander 6.96(tor)
2021 3rd(Fla)

Fla
Kunin RFA(Nash)
Dermott RFA (tor)

Tor
Weegar RFA (Fla)
Ingram ELC (Nash)
Novak ELC (Nash)
2021 1st (Nash)

Nash gets Nylander and FLA 3rd for Kunin, Ingram, Novak and a 1st. They make their top 6 more potent and get the best player in the deal without subtracting from their D. They are more built to win now and can afford Nylander cap hit.

Fla gets Kunin and Dermott for Weegar and a 3rd. They get a young top 9 forward who won't break the bank and a young NHL LD they can play hardball with on a contract as Dermott really has no chips to bargain with. They get stronger long term and save money.

Tor gets Weegar, Ingram, Novak and a 1st for Nylander and Dermott. Leafs get a top 4 d-man, one of the top rated goalie prospects, a bottom 6 forward prospect and a 1st while saving about 3.5 in cap space after signing Weegar. They now have the cap space to use at the deadline or try and take advantage of a cap strapped team looking to unload a good player to get under the cap.

With the signings of Vessey, Simmonds, Thornton, Boyd and prospects like Robertson, Anderson, Korshkov, Engvall etc and 3.5M in cap space, we are better set up now and the future.imo

RLF

1.) 21 Oct 2020 16:38:54
I don't think weegar is the answer.


2.) 21 Oct 2020 18:01:15
What is it with weegar lol.


3.) 21 Oct 2020 18:49:49
Why the weegar argument now? We moved off Manson and decided weegar is the savior?

Keep Nylander. Move Marner. Mitchy is not an 11 million dollar player.


4.) 21 Oct 2020 19:07:38
The bigger question is, why not Weegar?
26 years old. Blocks shots. Hits bodies. Stands up for teammates. Coveted right hand shot. Moves the puck well. Plays a good defensive game. Should be signed for around $3.5M per and should take a top player to acquire.
I get many want the big name guys, but it is guys like Weegar on good contracts that create winning teams to support your high priced guys.


5.) 21 Oct 2020 19:17:24
I have been talking about Weegar well before it was the/ A thing. It is not new.


6.) 21 Oct 2020 19:34:57
I brought up weegar 2 summers ago but Manson was the in thing at time so got plenty of laughs around

Why? Because some don’t do player research before commenting

No biggy at all after all it’s all fantasy.


7.) 21 Oct 2020 19:37:50
Edit. Should read "shouldn't take a top name to acquire"


8.) 21 Oct 2020 21:25:14
The real issue I see with Weegar is what he costs to get. It won't be cheap. Rumour had it Dermott+ was offered and turned down.


9.) 22 Oct 2020 12:39:22
Dermott alone I wouldn't expect Fla just takes that. It depends on what the + was that was apparently turned down. If it was a 1st/ 2nd or Robertson I would be surprised it was turned down. If it was Engvall or a 4th/ 5th, I am not that surprised. Apparently talks have stalled between Panthers and Weegar. Bruins, Jets, Devils and Canucks have also asked about him. Fla could be waiting for best offer before his Arb hearing which isn't until Nov 8.


10.) 22 Oct 2020 12:59:45
I still think Weegars numbers are being supported by playing beside Ekblad.

And to be fair Craigger, two years ago, Weegar was only putting up less than 15 minutes of ice time. He was relatively unknown to most fans and we were looking for a top line RHD at the time, which he most definitely was, and probably still is, not.

Manson has that wonderful standout season of his that seemed to indicate that he had arrived as a 1RHD. And then the train wreck in Anaheim happened and the whole team fell apart the last couple years.

Lot of variables at play there.


11.) 22 Oct 2020 13:37:37
All good points Hockeyluvr.

And yes, possible Weegar's numbers were raised a bit with Ekblad, but his numbers are good without Ekblad as well. Weegar fits multiple needs for us, including cap implications. imo
It is not just his on ice ability, it is what it takes to sign him. I was against Piet signing as it just compounded a problem I see that already exists (tpp much cap on too few players) . Weegar should be an affordable contract. He should be good value and we need good value contracts.
At worst, he is a good second pair guy. At best, a good complimentary #2. You likely need a good #1 for Weegar to be on the first pair. We have that. I am not a believer that both 1st pairing guys have to be true 1st pair guys. Depending on who your #1 is, a true 2nd pair guy may be good enough if the plays the right style of game to compliment your #1. This allows cap money to be spent elsewhere then on two true 1st pair players. Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Weegar looks like a pretty good top 4 to me and cost effective for at least two more seasons.


12.) 22 Oct 2020 15:50:26
Good point

Manson 4 years ago (Starting to regress now)
Gustafson 3 years ago (61 pts 2 years ago)
Weegar 2 years ago (Coming our party 2020)
Graves last summer (+/ -leader 2020)
JBrown this offseason (damn Ottawa)

All 4 were unknown older guys not even Vegas took chance on. Within 1-2 seasons they are now known. Sometimes getting before might not help right after dal but within 1 year you wish they were. That’s my point no biggy.


 

 

19 Oct 2020 15:01:45
Dubas said he figures he is done with moves and will concentrate on signing Mikheyev and then Dermott. Must be some cheap deals for these guys. Some good moves so far, But I still don't think we should be done.

3 way trade

Fla
Kerfoot 3.5 (tor)
Hagg 1.6 (phil)

Philly
Mikheyev RFA (tor)
Holl 2 (tor)

Tor
Weegar RFA
Laughton 2.3
Acciari 1.67

Fla gets better down the middle with a guy whose salary is about $1M less than cap hit and picks up a cost controlled LD where they are weak. They move out Weegar and Acciari to get Hagg and Kerfoot. Kerfoot and Weegar are probably about the same cap hit, but Kerfoot is only owed 2.6 in real money. Acciari and Hagg are pretty much a wash in real money.

Philly gets better on the RD where they are stacked on LD. They pick up a winger that fits them for a pending UFA 3rd line centre who will be looking for a raise. Move Laughton and Hagg for Mikheyev and Holl. They reduce cap by almost 2M with just Myers and Mikheyev to sign.

Tor improves heir D even more with Weegar who likely fits with Muzzin but gives an another option for Rielly. Laughton is a cheaper option for Kerfoot and Acciari adds a bit more grit to the top 9. Move out Kerfoot, Mikheyev and Holl for Weegar, Laughton and Acciari. Leafs also reduce cap by 1.5M. Weegar and Dermott still need to be signed.

Leafs would still need to make a move or two likely to fit in cap.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Acciari Tavares Nylander
Bottom 6 you can put in Laughton, Spezza, Thornton and Simmonds + a mix of Vessey, Boyd, Robertson, Anderson, etc.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Weegar
Dermott/Lehtonen/ Bogosian

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18 Oct 2020 15:35:36
TB needs cap space and sign some players. Tor could still use some to improve D and get stronger in the top 6.

TB
Kerfoot 3.5
Liljegren .863

Tor
Kilorn 4.5
Cernak RFA

TB gets Liljegren and Kerfoot for the same cap hit as Kilorn. They won't have to re-sign Cernak now. Kerfoot is Johnson cheaper replacement if they can move him. Leafs improve on the wing and RD.

Phil
Holl 2
Mikheyev RFA

Tor
Laughton 2.3
Ratcliffe ELC

Phil helps out their RD with Holl and picks up a solid winger. They have About $5M to get Myers and Mikheyev signed. Tor gets a cheaper 3C replacement for Kerfoot and a power type winger about a year or two away to eventually replace Kilorn. Mikheyev became expendable with the Kilorn trade.

LA
Dermott

Tor
2021 2nd

LA rebuilding. Leafs have no room left for Dermott

Have to get Cernak to sign a bridge deal.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Kilorn Tavares Nylander
? Laughton Simmonds
? Thornton Spezza
Let rest battle for two LW spots and extra.

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Cernak
Sandin Lehtonen Bogosian

RLF

1.) 18 Oct 2020 17:17:17
I love all the deals.

TBay saves a million plus cernak money to watch Lilly win Calder as they will 100% rub it in Toronto’s face and put him with fellow Swede Hedman. We will all moan and grown over this but hey that’s why TBay wins they get best out of everyone before moving on from them. Kerfoot plays Tbays type game. This deal is huge for Tampa

Killorn also is great for Toronto but TBay gets the best of every player then moves on. Is killorns best behind him? Tampa would rather someone else find out

Cernak looks awesome with Sergachev. Will leafs utalize cernak properly and put him with Muzzin who Sergachev is cloned from. Hopefully it’s not the partner that makes him because then leafs are 1 injury away from seeing disaster. Tampa got best of him before that disaster can happen. Let’s hope non of that is true and he is actually good

Philly deal I love more. Ratty reminds me of big Poni
Big, uses body well without needing to crash boards. Skates good for big guy and has very heavy accurate underrated shot. Ponikrovsky was great middle 6 compliment guy and Ratcliffe I expect same. Laughton is good 3rd kine C.

Mikhayev bleeds Philly his style suits them well. Holl is solid guy to have for when your young guys slump or regress which most do when opponents figure them out. Even doughty had to learn defence once his offensive game was figured out. Karlsson hasn’t learned yet lol

I think dermotts RFA comp range will be right around a 3rd pick so expecting more isn’t wise but hoping is nice

All these trades will still keep vesey at 3rd Line lw
Only spit left would be the 4th line winger
Anderson vs Boyd vs Robertson vs Korshkov vs Ratcliffe

Love the move.


2.) 20 Oct 2020 14:56:25
Why would Tampa do this. or Philly.


 

 

 

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25 Oct 2020 22:03:09
Princeton rivalry an interesting component. I wonder what would happen if he got traded there as he doesn't have a no trade. Would he refuse to report? Does it go that deep?

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25 Oct 2020 19:21:01
Funny, pretty sure neither Kane or Marner was in this trade. lol.

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23 Oct 2020 19:48:10
LOL. You got me. I totally thought it was real as I actually expect something like that to happen in regards to rosters.

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23 Oct 2020 19:46:30
LL. Exactly. Too much of one type of player. imo
The crowd goes wild whenever (Nylander especially) battles for a puck physically because it is so rare people get excited. Whatever happened to battling for pucks and wanting it more than the other guy is just part of the game?
I am not expecting bone crushing hits all the time or anything close, but I have a hard time imagining some of these guys looking in the mirror after the game and saying "yep, gave it may all tonight. Battled hard. "

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23 Oct 2020 19:40:13
Ahh, more physical than Nylander, but not necessarily physical. Got ya.

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