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09 Jan 2025 21:17:03
Apparently the Leafs still want to add a centre. Let's assume Utah continues to fade with all their injuries. Might as well go for more than just one guy.
Utah
Kampf $2.4M
Robertson $.875M
Cowan ELC
2026 1st
Tor
Bjustad $1.05M (50% retained)
McBain $1.6M
1.) 10 Jan 2025 01:21:59
Cowan plus a 1st round pick for 3rd and 4th line centers seems somewhat excessive to me.
I like the players but would not want to sacrifice that much of the future.
Especially considering Bujgstad is already 32 and will turn 33 this summer.
2.) 10 Jan 2025 01:45:01
Could do it without Cowen. Bjugstad wouldn't be very costly.
3.) 10 Jan 2025 10:26:43
Too much I think… also I think given his cost control and age I’m starting to think it may be next to impossible to get mcbain just wouldn’t make much sense for Utah.
4.) 10 Jan 2025 12:29:48
I don't disagree that it is too much. In all fairness, I have put out many trades for McBain that would be equal to Kampf, Robertson and a 1st for McBain and you guys say it isn't enough. So, basically I add Cowan to make up the difference in value needed to get McBain and get Bjugstad at 50% retained and now it's way too much. lol
I have said many times, that as much as I like McBain and have wanted him for years, I don't think he is untouchable or that Utah won't move him. Probably need to overpay, but it's possible. I wouldn't want the Leafs to move McMann, but if a deal came along that would be stupid not to take, Leafs should take it.
5.) 10 Jan 2025 16:56:57
Solid trade imo. They love McBain and won't let him go cheap.
What does a young-ish, middle 6 centre of McBain's quality go for? Probably a 1st plus.
6.) 11 Jan 2025 00:21:24
RLF
How about switching Cowan out for Minten?
Utah is giving up a center and a C/ LW so Minten replaces some of the loss.
I like the thought of McBain and next year, Grebenkin on the same line.
07 Jan 2025 13:50:49
Buf
Robertson $.875
Holmberg $.8M
Reaves $1.35M
Tor
Greenway $1.5M(50% retained)
Buffalo picks up a couple of young players and a veteran tough guy for Greenway who is on an expiring contract. Reaves should see icetime in Buffalo to help protect their young players.
Toronto picks up a large, physical 3rd line LW in Greenway who also PK's and defensively responsible while putting up 20-30 pts a season. He will drop the mitts when necessary and on an expiring contract.
Gives the Leafs a 3rd line of
Greenway Domi McMann
or move McMann up and go with
Greenway Domi Patches
Leafs also clear some cap space.
1.) 08 Jan 2025 15:45:20
I can't see Buffalo giving up their third line winger who also kills penalties and drops the mitts and puts up 30 points for basically AHL’er Robertson and two 4th liners and/ or scratches …. On top of that they are going to retain 50%?
If Buffalo would do it, sure.
2.) 08 Jan 2025 16:46:08
Grumpy, Holmberg is listed as having an illness and why he is scratched the last 5 games. Greenway is on an expiring contract and will be a UFA at end of season. Getting two younger, cost controlled forwards and a vet they could buyout end of season for only $450K against the cap for 2 seasons isn't a bad deal. Buffalo have dropped Greenway's icetime this year by a minute and a 1/ 2 and he is on pace for a worst point season total this year. They have also taken him off the PP this year. Doesn't seem like he is in their plans moving forward.
They can try and re-sign him in the summer if they want Greenway back.
Maybe you should ReFilL your flask and try again.
3.) 08 Jan 2025 20:23:45
Sorry RLF, Inhave to agree. I don’t see Buffalo giving up a valuable member to their team for a couple hopefuls.
4.) 08 Jan 2025 21:28:03
I guess you missed the part Clarky where all Grumpy did for his response was copy paste my response to one of his trades in order to try some kind of gotcha moment. He doesn't even believe what he wrote.
I will also venture to guess you guys don't realize Greenway is inured and out long term. Has been since mid December. He isn't expected back before the end of February.
So, how exactly is helping the team or an important part of their team if he is on IR and will be there for a while and then a UFA end of season?
5.) 08 Jan 2025 23:43:45
Greenway would be a sufficient upgrade for the return but I would prefer McMann on his natural left wing (McMann is far better than Greenway) and the Leafs use their assets to acquire a true 3rd line right winger.
23 Dec 2024 13:24:35
I don't think Rielly is going anywhere, he has a no move, but if he would waive, maybe he would for the Rangers? Rangers are trying to shake things up.
NYR
Rielly $7.5M
Tor
Miller $3.872
A swap of top 4 LD's. Rangers get a more veteran player in Rielly with excellent skating abilities. Toronto gets a younger, more physical D-man in Miller. Both have offensive capabilities, but Rielly is signed ling term and Miller will need a new deal end of season. Still an RFA though.
1.) 23 Dec 2024 21:13:00
Anything to trade the stiff numbered 44
Huge cap hit
Can’t defend worth a damn
Gets caught out of position constantly
Not physical
Only passes on the power play point because he has no slapshot
He needs to put up 70 points a season to make up for his warts
Can’t fight worth a damn
Can’t defend off the rush.
22 Dec 2024 16:02:17
Yes, I am going after McBain again as a Christmas present to myself:)
3 team deal
Utah
Zucker $5M(Buf)
2026 3rd(Tor)
Buf
Robertson $.875M(Tor)
2025 4th(Minny pick through Utah)
Tor
McBain $1.6M (Utah)
Utah picks up a veteran LW for a playoff push along with a higher pick then what they give.
Buffalo gets Robertson and a pick for a pending UFA.
Toronto gets McBain. Can now move on from Reaves and have a 3rd line of McMann, Domi and McBain.
1.) 22 Dec 2024 16:11:28
Whatever gets rid of Reaves! Lol.
2.) 22 Dec 2024 17:44:08
I don’t believe that does it fir utah to give up
Mcbain.
3.) 23 Dec 2024 00:45:24
Not sure that Zucker and a 3rd round pick are enough to pry McBain out of Utah’s lineup.
I would think Utah might prefer Robertson (23) to Zucker (33 in three weeks) and a 2nd instead of a 3rd round pick.
Don’t need Buffalo in the mix?
4.) 23 Dec 2024 01:48:28
Leafs don't need a winger.
5.) 23 Dec 2024 12:52:34
Calvo. McBain has played mostly centre in his career.
As far as McBain's value goes - Ari got him for a mid 2nd round pick. 47th overall. Hunter Haight. A wildcard to ever make the NHL. I would change the 3rd from Toronto to a 1st and be fine with it if that is what it took. That's me though.
6.) 23 Dec 2024 21:22:24
Yeah we don’t need another winger …. hmmm mcbain is as much a Center as A Kempe is as well.
20 Dec 2024 17:31:49
I will jump on the Marner trade post. Conda put a deal out with the Rangers and I think that could be a good option. Assuming Marner is open to extending with them.
NYR
Marner $10.89M
Tor
Miller $3.872M
Cuylle $.828M
Roobroeck ELC
Rangers want him, they have to pay. I've wanted Cuylle since before he was drafted and Miller has always been a guy to target. Roobroeck is a big, project prospect.
1.) 20 Dec 2024 20:55:58
Hey RLF I like the trade but Lafranier has to part of the trade.
2.) 21 Dec 2024 01:03:38
Marner
Timmins
Holmberg
Trocheck
Schneider
Othmann.
3.) 21 Dec 2024 01:40:25
It does look like Marner could be a fit in New York with their new cap space.
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09 Dec 2024 19:59:41
Matthew Wood, Nashville's 15th overall pick in 2023 remains unsigned. This is a guy I had wanted the Leafs to target. Not sure if there is anything to him not being signed yet, but not common for a high draft pick to go this long without being signed.
Leafs should be looking into it if there is. Big, right shot power forward that has been playing against men in the NCAA the last 3 years and only 19. Playing for Team Canada at the juniors. Looking forward to watching him and Rehkopf.
1.) 09 Dec 2024 20:43:10
Agree!
Now how do we get him?
2.) 09 Dec 2024 21:07:24
If he isn't signed because he doesn't like it there I would definitely inquire. What would the price be? 1st+Minten would be my assumption as they are desperate for anything resembling a centre.
3.) 09 Dec 2024 22:47:49
LL. That's probably a solid offer. As you said, C is a weak spot for the future. They are an older team as it is. They have Svechkov and Edstrom that may work out as C's, but not much else as far as I know. Minten is probably a bit ahead of Svechkov as far as a developed C.
Good prop. Now, would you do it?
4.) 09 Dec 2024 23:55:23
@RLF I'm not sure if I would. Leafs have zero centre depth coming up as well and need a middle six C within a year or two.
5.) 10 Dec 2024 13:09:19
I know you didnt ask but that’s too rich for me for an unproven player PLUS we need help now!
6.) 10 Dec 2024 13:36:59
LL. I'm with you. I am not sure I would do it either. That's how I knew it was a good prop - because I am having trouble deciding whether I would or wouldn't.
7.) 10 Dec 2024 13:47:14
Rsears. True, he is unproven. That said, Wood is putting up McGroarty type numbers this year in the Big10. McGroarty went for another former 14th overall pick (Yager - 1 year younger) . Minten and a probable late 1st, I figure should be fairly equal value to a 14-15th overall selection.
Although I am leaning toward that I wouldn't do it either as I think Minten is likely a 3C at the NHL level, but his hockey IQ and two-way gives him a 2C ceiling imo.
8.) 10 Dec 2024 18:56:11
Good target but I would have to imagine Barry isn’t trading prospects unless they don’t wanna be there but if minten is involved I think they bite but that also hurts the leafs I advocate for the leafs to try and pluck some good prospects out of other organizations especially if they don’t have the draft capital.
9.) 10 Dec 2024 19:43:53
I see Minten as a 3C player as well.
Smart enough player with decent size and some physicality and a good writer but IMO needs more speed and quickness.
29 Oct 2024 17:55:31
It's only one game, but Leafs played much close to the way they did for the first 6 games, which is a positive. Special teams are killing them though.
One big question I have is; Did anyone miss Robertson? I didn't. I thought the team looked better without him. As I have always said - we don't need another small forward. He had 1 point in 9 games. a meaningless goal he scored in an out of reach game. I know it's only one game, but just solidified my thoughts on him even more.
As much as it is past time to move on from Lily, Robertson is past his due date as well.imo
1.) 29 Oct 2024 18:18:56
Agreed RLF, Robertson looked great in the pre-season where you're not playing against full NHL roster's.
Best before date for Robertson & Lilegren are past due.
I think Kampf gets moved as well, he's playing on the 3rd PK unit. Leafs look like they're trying to slowly weed him out. Dewar or Holmberg can replace that 4C position at a much lower cap hit.
2.) 29 Oct 2024 18:44:00
Tags. I still think Kampf is useful. I noticed when he was out.
I have never been a fan of either of the other two as I didn't see the upside others did in Liljegren or Robertson, as you know.
3.) 29 Oct 2024 19:22:06
RLF I did give Lily move runway, but alas, he hasn't progressed any further than a bottom pairing D.
I'm fine teading Kampf if Tre can somehow covert Lily, Robertson & Kampf into Bjugstad. Bjugstad may be the perfect 3C, Right Handed, PK's and only has 1 year left on gis $2.1M AAV, which won't block Minten next year.
In removing Kampf, I would still keep Jarnkrok. Leafs would have more than enough cap space for a 23 man roster.
Knies Matthews Marner
Patches JT Willy
Domi Bjugstad McMann/ Jarnkrok
Dewar Holmberg McMann/ Jarnkrok
Lorentz
Rielly OEL
McCabe Tanev (love this pairing)
Benoit Hakanpaa
Timmins/ Myers
Stolarz
Woll
More than enough cap space. I think this is a good direction to take IMO.
4.) 29 Oct 2024 19:26:14
Oh, and waive Reaves.
5.) 30 Oct 2024 08:49:25
Agreed RLF. No interest in Robertson.
25 Oct 2024 00:50:15
They managed to play 6 games of physical hard work hockey and the last 2 are back to the old ways. No hits. No finishing checks. Lots of poke checks and skating around without really accomplishing anything. 2 periods into the St. Louis game atm.
10 Oct 2024 17:40:26
I read the posts about last nights game. This probably won't be popular from what I've read, but here is my takeaways.
1. I would have McMann in over Robertson. McMann, Holmberg and Patches looks like a solid 3rd line. I don't put much stock into what Robertson did in pre-season. He did what he needed to earn a spot and good on him. But should be traded.imo Too many of the same types of players on this team upfront still with him in the lineup. McMann's size, speed and defensive responsibility are needed.
2. Finally! I didn't see any whining from players to the refs during gameplay. No Marner whining and screaming. That was actually my biggest takeaway on the night. NO WHINING!
3. I liked the way they played. Defensively they got better as the game went on and offensively the same. They didn't bury any chances. It happens sometimes. They are still adapting, but played more North/South for the most part.
4. The stretch pass is pretty much gone and I couldn't be happier.
5. They didn't get pushed around. Another positive. They are bigger and heavier. They took the physicality to Montreal. It was the other way around last season. Xhekaj wasn't running everyone like he used to.
6. I like our goaltending. I've wanted Stolarz on the leafs for years. Not Stolarz fault for the loss. Credit to Tree for also signing Murray and not trading Hildeby when teams were inquiring about him.
7. D-core is bigger and meaner. Big plus. Lets get Myers in there over Timmins. Myers is another guy I've wanted to be given a shot here for a while.
We generated 48 shots. You normally win those games when you only give up 27.
They look more like a playoff style team to me and I like what Berube has done with the culture so far.
1.) 10 Oct 2024 23:05:27
Liljegren Robertson Kampf
Jackets for Monahan plus a 5th
Flames for Coleman plus a 3rd
Sharks for Kunin plus a 2nd
McMann LW insert name above Pacioretty RW.
08 Oct 2024 12:46:52
Below, I had a question about the rules for claiming a player at this time of year. I thought there was something about not being able to send the player down if a team claims him.
This is what I could find, but can't say if it is accurate.
If the waiver claim is made before November 1st of the hockey year, then the NHL standings from the previous year will be used, again with the lowest team in the standings getting first priority.
The team who gets the players has two obligations:
1.They must take on the entirety of the players contract.
2.They must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
The team winning the claim cannot simply put the players into the minors but must keep the player on their roster for the entirety of the season.
What you will often see happen is that a player will get put on waivers not be claimed and then traded a few days later. Why would a team not claim a player they could get for free and instead trade for him only a few days later?
The main reason would be salary cap implications. A team has to claim the entirety of the player's contract and they often will not have enough cap space to fit the player onto their roster. Therefore, they need to trade a player from their organization or have the other team take on some of the player's salary to make it work with their salary cap.
Anyhow, not sure if that helps anyone, but I thought there was something about not being able to send him down if you claim him now. Seems it may be an issue.
1.) 08 Oct 2024 14:54:22
Interesting!
I knew that the team acquiring a player from waivers needs to have enough cap space to fit the contract and that the player must be added to the team immediately.
I didn't know that said player has to remain on the roster for the entire season. It definitely makes it more of a risk to pick someone up from waivers.
Do you know if the team can put this player on waivers at a later date if he's not working out?
2.) 08 Oct 2024 16:58:25
I was under the impression they couldn't be waived for 30 days not for the year.
3.) 09 Oct 2024 18:36:17
@Randy that's always been what I heard as well. They cannot be claimed for 30 days after clearing waivers and if claimed, cannot be sent down without clearing waivers again by the new team.
10 Jan 2025 13:49:37
Hrenklin. Thanks. That's what I figured, but wasn't sure.
10 Jan 2025 12:29:48
I don't disagree that it is too much. In all fairness, I have put out many trades for McBain that would be equal to Kampf, Robertson and a 1st for McBain and you guys say it isn't enough. So, basically I add Cowan to make up the difference in value needed to get McBain and get Bjugstad at 50% retained and now it's way too much. lol
I have said many times, that as much as I like McBain and have wanted him for years, I don't think he is untouchable or that Utah won't move him. Probably need to overpay, but it's possible. I wouldn't want the Leafs to move McMann, but if a deal came along that would be stupid not to take, Leafs should take it.
09 Jan 2025 18:12:37
I'm not sold on the Toews thing. Is there a date he needs to be signed by to be eligible for playoffs?
As for the deal, I don't think Calgary is adding any picks if that's the offer. That said I would think the Flames would be looking for an immediate impact forward at a good age (like Knies) if they are trading Andersson. Other wise, it's probably a high prospect (Cowan) +. If they trade Andersson, that would signal a rebuild of some kind I would think, but I am not sure if they want to take a guy like Robertson as the main piece.
Maybe something like Cowan, Timmins, 2026 1st? I think Leafs would have to make some cap room with other trades prior to chasing a guy like Andersson. Maybe move Robertson and Holmberg for picks and use those picks to help acquire Andersson.
08 Jan 2025 21:28:03
I guess you missed the part Clarky where all Grumpy did for his response was copy paste my response to one of his trades in order to try some kind of gotcha moment. He doesn't even believe what he wrote.
I will also venture to guess you guys don't realize Greenway is inured and out long term. Has been since mid December. He isn't expected back before the end of February.
So, how exactly is helping the team or an important part of their team if he is on IR and will be there for a while and then a UFA end of season?
08 Jan 2025 16:46:08
Grumpy, Holmberg is listed as having an illness and why he is scratched the last 5 games. Greenway is on an expiring contract and will be a UFA at end of season. Getting two younger, cost controlled forwards and a vet they could buyout end of season for only $450K against the cap for 2 seasons isn't a bad deal. Buffalo have dropped Greenway's icetime this year by a minute and a 1/ 2 and he is on pace for a worst point season total this year. They have also taken him off the PP this year. Doesn't seem like he is in their plans moving forward.
They can try and re-sign him in the summer if they want Greenway back.
Maybe you should ReFilL your flask and try again.
10 Jan 2025 19:04:00
LL. That'a a good point. It works 2 ways though. They always don't get better though. Sometimes their role changes from what it was and they don't adapt well. Personally, I think Dahlin would improve if traded to the Leafs. It's still $11M though and to me, in the end is about the equivalent of Marner at $14M. I don't really want either of them at those prices with term.
08 Jan 2025 12:39:29
Now, just switch McMann and Marner and we would be at the lines I wanted to see for a while.
07 Jan 2025 19:17:07
LL. You could be right and he may win a Norris as it is usually given to an offensive Defenceman. There is a lot to like about Dahlin. He even has a little nasty streak. What I don't like is his defensive play. There is a reason he only PK's about a minute a game and he has for his career one of the worst on icesv% of any Sabres D-man while getting mostly offensive minutes.
Dahlin is not great value for money imo.
I'd take Jokiharju if Buffalo is selling and the cost isn't too big.
07 Jan 2025 18:54:15
Tags. yea, it is. He tried two other attempts at putting my username in new ones he created. Something like RLFwise and RLFhasnobrains. If you notice he capitalized R-F-L this time. So clever.
First time I have had someone become so obsessed that they made new usernames based on me. lol.
07 Jan 2025 14:13:44
A top 10 forward in the League is so subjective. He's not top 5 I agree.
I wouldn't do Marner for Dahlin because Dahlin is locked in at $11M. Another top pair D for Marner on a better contract? Maybe.