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27 Apr 2021 18:14:22
Not that I think Rielly is moving this off-season, but of course that will depend on how the playoffs go. If he does, the Leafs will want someone back that has a bit more term and no more than what Rielly costs now I would think.

Rielly 5

Severson 4.16
Bastian RFA
2021 2nd NYI

NJ gets a true 1st pair LD that has a contract end the same time as Subban's. They don't really take on anymore cap and will have the space to re-sign him when his contract comes due.

Leafs get a top 4 RD that should put up better numbers in T.O. than NJ and is signed for one extra year and less than Rielly. Bastian gives the Leafs a Big mid 6 forward option and they pick up a 2nd to help replace some of the picks they moved.
I would also expect Kerfoot to be moved in the same kind of manner that Johnsson was. NYR or Chi could be destinations for Kerfoot.


1.) 27 Apr 2021 21:44:32
I just don't see how Reilly has this much value unless he agrees to sign where he's going. I love MO but this year has been bad for him. Last season was a minor disappointment. It just isn't looking great for his trade value.

2.) 27 Apr 2021 23:58:38
When was last time leafs management traded a player with 1 season left before ufa.


Outside the polak and Winniks of this organization James riemer was the last upcoming ufa dealt and that was at the deadline that year.

They paid Carolina to take marleau in his final contracted year.

So if the past is any indication of the future I’d have to think rielly stays put.

The deal itself is great and if Dubas does decide to deal him hopefully it’s for a package much like this.

3.) 28 Apr 2021 13:48:49
@LL. You may be right. I originally had it at just Severson and Bastian. I added the 2nd because I am starting to think that the whole isolation/ c.v. situation may be affecting Rielly and some others which is showing in the ice. Taking into account that Rielly should be ranked higher than Severson, Bastian is still unproven at the NHL level, I added the 2nd feeling Rielly will come back to form when things in regular life are more normal. That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with Severson and Bastian. I think Brodie and Severson would be a pretty solid pair.

4.) 28 Apr 2021 20:45:51
@RLF good points. Some guys around the league seem to handle it worse than others.

He may hit his stride again but he's losing value daily right now.



10 Apr 2021 13:21:50
Barabanov .925
Kivihalme .725
2021 2nd

Bennett 2.55 (50% retained)
Stone .7 (50% retained)


1.) 10 Apr 2021 22:26:28
To have Flames retain on both, Barabanov and certainly Kivihalme does not move the needle

2nd helps but they would want a more proven player then Barabanov back. Flames may not go full rebuild mode but reset mode in offseason so again would want an NHLer back

Bennett is an NHLer Baravanov not sure yet.



08 Apr 2021 12:23:51
I have had many trade proposals of Willy going to NJ over the year and Wood is always coming back. If Willy is out with C.V., I would be looking to NJ again as they are obviously in sell mode. I would not be after the huge haul with prospects coming back as NJ probably doesn't want to move prospects.

Nylander 6.96
Marincin .7

Wood 2.75
Mcleod .863
Kulikov 1.15
2021 1st NYI

Marincin goes for contract purposes. Wood plays with Tavares and Gal. Kulikov provides D depth. Mcleod provides F depth. With the extra cap space, Leafs can now add Goalie insurance without sending a player back incase Freddie is out. We also have cap for next season.


1.) 08 Apr 2021 23:46:37
Jersey in full rebuild mode

-not taking Nylander's contract 3 more years at $7mil
-if they could trade Subban's contract with one more year remaining at $9mil, they would, no secret they've tried
-why would they trade 1st received from NYI they are in business of collecting picks not taking on salary?



06 Apr 2021 13:17:51
How about this

Kerfoot 3.5
Liljegren ELC
2021 2nd

Jenner 50% retained

Leafs gain 1.6 in cap space.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Galchenyuk Tavares Jenner
Mikheyev Engvall Nylander
Thornton Spezza Simmonds


1.) 06 Apr 2021 19:34:47
I like it.

2.) 06 Apr 2021 22:13:49
I think it’s a bit rich for a 30-40 point man I like what he brings but value is too high.

3.) 07 Apr 2021 00:34:13
What would Nylander give you on the 3rd line? As per your lineup

Dont say as much as he gives you on 2nd line

Ever heard of putting players in position to succeed? Would you put Spezza on 1st line?

Isn't this why Galchenyk is given opportunity on 2nd line not 4th?

Would you bring up Robertson to play on 4th line?

Remember square peg square hole

I know I'm being picky but when people post lineups after trades they put themselves out there for comments.

4.) 07 Apr 2021 05:13:41
Nylander goes on the third line because carrying the puck (Controlled entries) he is one of the top players in the world. He doesn't get that chance playing with AM, MM or JT.

Kessel played quite well on the third line didn't he?

5.) 07 Apr 2021 12:36:49
@Rocket9. Yes, when you post online you leave yourself open for comments. Some advice you should heed yourself when commenting on trades where you admit you know nothing about the value of the prospects or have trouble understanding a lineups construction.

Since you ask, and I am not sure why I am bothering when the question comes from a guy that uses a Habs nickname on a Leafs site because it is very likely I am conversing with a small creature residing under a low bridge.

On top of what LL said. You put Nylander on the 3rd line so he is up against lesser competition while playing with players that can match his speed. Both Mikheyev and Engvall use their speed and size well which should open up room for Willy. Willy should be able to dominate more against lower competition allowing him to spend more time in the offensive zone and less defending where he is weakest and least interested. Keefe already protects him by having him start mostly in the O-zone, this will also help Engvall as he is still learning the centre position.

The Tavares line become a skilled shutdown line and Tavares works best with grinders like himself. They have 3 good sized heavy style of players on that line. Jenner and Gal may suit Tavares better. Lines are also never set in stone, especially when you need a goal or need to defend a lead.

So you have the skilled line with HMM that dominate most nights, you have a grinding line with skill in GTJ, then you have a high speed line with MEN (now ironically called the MEN line) and a vet line that plays less minutes keeping their energy high with TSS.

Did I put Gal or Robertson on the 4th line? Did I put Spezza on the 1st line? Would I if it seemed to help the team? Yes. Robertson on the 4th line with Spezza and Simmonds is not the worst thing I could think of. Simmonds goes to the net and is there to protect Robertson and Spezza feeds him the puck. He plays limited minutes while learning the NHL game against lesser competition. So yes, that could work for Robertson while giving him some PP time.

But alas, I can only hope to know as much about hockey as you one day.



05 Apr 2021 20:21:43
I do like the idea of targeting Jenner and have put trades out for him in the past. Leafs go all in.

Nylander 6.96

Jenner 3.75(50% retained)
2022 2nd
Del Zotto .7

Columbus gets more high end talent that they lack. Laine is the shooter and Nylander the puck carrier.

Toronto gets Jenner paying a premium for his 1.5 years of retention. Del Zotto adds great D depth and another 2nd in the 2022 draft. They also now have over $4M in cap space for another move.

Leafs then make a second move

Kerfoot 3.5

Bennett 2.55

Calgary starts their re-tool by moving Bennett and get some speed in Kerfoot which they could use some speed.

Leafs pick up a project in Bennett who is known as a playoff performer and brings more grit than Kerfoot. Leafs now have about $6M in cap space gained. Could bring in goalie insurance and/or depth without moving anyone off of the roster.

Hyman Matthews Marner
Galchenyuk Tavares Jenner
Mikheyev Engvall Bennett
Simmonds Spezza Thornton

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Del Zotto/Dermott/Bogosian


1.) 05 Apr 2021 21:11:43
I like these deals as they make Toronto harder to play against. Let’s just hope Matthews and Tavares can score even more as Bennett and Jenner don’t even come close to replacing nylanders offence

I still would love Leafs to take this chance as teams won’t enjoy playing leafs now.

2.) 05 Apr 2021 22:29:50
I like all the targets and the cap space. Only thing I would question is what can Nylander bring in return? I would assume a bit more.

I have a really hard time valuing Willy though. I know how we all feel about him but what's the word on him around the league?

3.) 05 Apr 2021 22:54:59
@LL. I put the over a years retention at 50% being the equivalent of a 1st. So would equal Jenner (at full cap), a 1st, 2nd and DelZotto. I would think that would be a really good return for Willy if we got that. The retention value isn't really seen, so it looks like we should get more. Of course I could be off on that.

@Craigger. Bennet and Jenner won't likely replace Willy's offence, but we have lots of interchangeable parts to move around to find chemistry. Jenner and Bennett's points combined this season almost equal Willy's, and 5 on 5 they have more, but that is mot the same thing. I don't believe we would struggle offensively, we would just be playing a slightly different style than with Willy. I have Matthews/ Marner as a pair and Tavares/ Jenner as a pair. Try Gal or Bennett with MM and put Hyman with JT/ J if needed. Or try Mikheyev in Galchenyuk's spot. There is also the wild card in Robertson. Maybe Dubas roles the dice and goes after a guy like Palmieri with the $6M in cap space. Plus playoff's are rarely about offence, it is about how hard you are to play against and still create offence. Just my thoughts on it.

4.) 06 Apr 2021 00:47:07
Probably high skill just has to many other skilled guys around him, he might do well somewhere where he's on the topline.

5.) 06 Apr 2021 02:11:29
Let’s break this down using recent examples
Jenner 1 year remaining after this year

Coleman for Vanc1st rd Foote (previous draft 27th overall)
Goodrow and Phil 3rd rd for 1st rd greco (26 yr old ahler)

So with that info Jenner is more valuable than goodrow but less than Coleman.

1st rounder and previous years 2nd rd roni Hirvonen
Then 650K (50%remaining) this year =6th rounder
Then 50 % 1.875 cap 1.75 salary retain 2 year= 3rd rd

Now Nylander. Top 75 winger in league with 3 years after this year remaining.
850K salary remaining this year
18 million over 3 years after this year
6.9 cap hit
Tough to find recent examples similar but here’s my best using name age at trade years/ salary remaining cap hit
Vincent trocchek. 26 2.25/ 11 million 4.75
Jason Zucker. 28 3.25/ 18 million 5.5

Haula Wallmark 21 and 23 yr old prospects for trocchek
1st rounder Addison (2 previous year 2nd rd) galchenyuk for zucker

So zucker contract remaining at time of deal is the same. He has pretty much same salary remaining but with smaller cap hit on it. I’d say nylander has skill edge as nylander is 4 years younger but not by huge amount and zucker shouldn’t regress that much by contract end

Trocchek is closer to nylanders age than zucker but has 1 less year remaining but less salary and cap per year than both as well. I’d put Trocchek a bit higher on the skill side but again nylander is 2 years younger

So somewhere between these 2 you should find a good trade.

Both trades had upcoming UFA cap dumps coming back
4.9 in Zucker deal for .6 differance
3.4 in Trocchek deal for 1.35 differance

Both got 2 young assets but due to extra year on zucker he Netted a 1st and 2nd basically while Trocchek netted a 2nd and 6th basically

So using those examples I’ll predict nylander gets a 1st rounder a 3rd round prospect and 2 upcoming ufa roster players worth 5.4 in salary dumps

1st rounder

So to make deal work using Jenner for nylander

Jenner replaces grigorenko as cap dump player for temainder of this year. Nylander in turn replaces hirovanen value for remainder of this year but leafs still owe that 6th rounder for 50% cap retain on Jenner this year

Now nylander next year for Jenner with the retaining Columbus gives back that 1st rounder owing in Jenner trade plus the 3rd owed for retaining

Final 2 years of nylander cost 1st rounder Pu and savard

Overall it’s
Nylander 6th rounder


Jenner (50% retained)
1st rounder

That’s how I see it anyways. Leafs gain 675K in this deal plus $800-1 million once savard replaces 1 bottom pair dman, that's a 1.5 average cap saving. Add in Bennett deal and leafs save 2.4 million to go get a insurance goalie (Rittich) . Then have 5 million next year because of these trades to up Hyman to 5.5 (JT Miller comparable) and Bennett (4.0) leaving 300K. Use Andersen 5 million to give rittich a million raise. Give galchenyuk 3 million raise. Spezza Thornton 1.4 plus 500K of remaining Andersen money to cover 2 of 4th line as Engvall is here still. Dermott probably gone to Seattle. Savard bogosian 5.25 plus 500K of Andersen plus 300 of nylander trade remains. So Sandin liljegren play leaving 4 million to get a winger for JT and galchenyuk

That was fun.

6.) 06 Apr 2021 02:13:38
Nylander has way more value IMO.

7.) 06 Apr 2021 13:09:32
@Craigger. I will just comment on your end proposal as I don't have time to brush up on my calculus to go through all the rest. lol

If the Leafs could get that from Columbus for Nylander they should take it.

I have Jenner ranked higher than both Goodrow and Coleman, which would account for the salary differences in the first place. If we want Jenner at the cap of Coleman for a year+, it is going to cost us. Del Zotto is not a cap dump in my mind either. So, Coleman with no retention gets Foote (a high prospect) and a 1st (16-20 range) .

To me, Jenner with 50% retained is at least worth a late 1st, 2nd and really good prospect. At 1.9 he becomes a bargain and worth more than Goodrow or Coleman for sure. Del Zotto gets them at least a 3rd as he is a solid, physical 3rd pair D-man only making .7M.

Is Nylander at $7M more valuable than Jenner at 1.9M? Considering what the Leafs could add with that extra $5.1M, I am not sure he is. Jenner on the Leafs is a top 6 winger who can also play centre and is great on the draw and physical. Nylander is signed longer, so Leafs get the 2nd and Del Zotto (3rd) to make up the difference. CLB also takes on the extra $4.5 in cap hit and we get that cap space, so that costs us as well. CLB will make us pay if we want help with our cap.

Just my take, but to me, Jenner (50%), Savard, 1st and Pu would be a really good haul for Willy.




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10 May 2021 13:54:39
@JdB. No different than "IF" Nylander steps up this time, which you admit he hasn't so far. I would say the odds in regards to him stepping up or getting traded if he doesn't, lean more toward traded if he doesn't because do far, he hasn't stepped in the playoffs.




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08 May 2021 03:33:36
@JdB. I could be wrong, but I thought CLB has to expose Korp because he is the only goalie that qualifies in their system.
If Willy is so great, then how come we have to give them Holl and take Ghost off of their hands?




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07 May 2021 15:26:25
Korp is a player I can see Seattle taking and may not be available.
The Philly deal I would consider as it would help us cap wise and set us up well on D even if Rielly leaves. Jury is still out though if Patrick becomes any type of impactful NHL player. Willy's value will depend on his playoff performance this year. imo It is a risky trade, but may work our well.




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03 May 2021 13:11:39
If the goal is to make sure we don't even have a sniff at a Cup for another minimum 5-10 years, this is the way to do it. That is of course if the draft picks even work out.




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01 May 2021 15:06:15
@DM. I think you are right that Andersen is gone and Kerfoot is moved. Nylander will depend on his playoff performance I think. If he won't compete the way that is needed, I think they move him in the off-season.





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