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05 Nov 2022 01:03:41
Leafs overall defense needs to be upgraded before they can be considered serious contenders.
With Muzzin on LTIR which might last the season:

To Seattle:
Matthew Knies
Rasmus Sandin
2024 - 2nd round pick
Kerfoot ($3.5)
Engvall ($2.25)
Holl ($2)

To Leafs:
Adam Larson ($4)
Carson Soucy ($2.75)

Total Out: $7.75
Total In: $6.75

Reilly - Brodie
Soucy - Larson
Giordano - Liljegren
Mete - Benn - Kral

Hate to lose Sandin but you have to give to get.
Knies is a potential top six left wing for Seattle to add to their stockpile of young players.
Leafs 2nd round pick should be around #53 - #58 in the draft.
With luck Holl might will begin to play like he used to, if he is removed from the hockey pressure cooker that is Toronto.
Engvall will improve Seattle's PK bring speed to their lineup and 10 - 15 goals.
Kerfoot can fit anywhere in their roster, bringing skill, PK, 50 points and is an expiring contract opening up $3.5 million in cap space for the Kraken next summer.


1.) 05 Nov 2022 11:48:35
I do like what Larsson and Soucy would bring to the Leafs but I’m not anxious to trade Knies.

If you replace him I’d probably be on board.

2.) 05 Nov 2022 15:00:51
Are you mad? . all that for 2 players?

3.) 05 Nov 2022 15:12:23
@Rsears I agree I do t want to trade Knies either. That one could hurt down the road. From what I see he’s what we’re are needing. As far as Sandin or the rest if we switch Knies with Robertson or Steeve’s and bite do it! We have Robertson’s already and Steeves well he’s replaceable by many other players in our system or one we could trade for draft etc. Having Larson and Coucey would definitely kick up our reliability on the backend and make the D keep opposing players heads up when they are out cause they both hit hard.

4.) 05 Nov 2022 17:27:21
Swap Robertson for Knies. If they accept, then fully on board.



01 Nov 2022 07:03:46
To San Jose:

Alex Kerfoot ($3.5)
Matt Murray ($4.687)
Nick Robertson ($.787)
Matthew Knies
2024 - 2nd round pick
2023 -3rd round pick via Ottawa Senators

To Leafs:

Timo Meier ($6)
James Reimer $(2.25)

Meier - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Steeves - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - Anderson/NAK/Simmons


1.) 01 Nov 2022 10:58:42
Meier is an RFA and not UFA, so his value should stay high. That said, his salary is $10M this season so his qualifying offer is at least that. Meier might be looking for $11M+. For that reason, this may do it. Without knowing what he may want on a new contract, not sure on him being a good target.

2.) 01 Nov 2022 11:28:15
I like Meier and perhaps Reimer would help our G but you’re giving up too much for my support.

3.) 01 Nov 2022 16:48:22
At first glance I thought this was a lot, but Murray you pay someone to take on and Kerfoot is probably a late pick.

Murray+Robertson cancel out so it's;

Kerfoot, Knies, 2nd,3rd for Meier and Rebound Reimer. Could be a solid deal, but SJ may ask for a bit more.

4.) 01 Nov 2022 22:06:06
I just can’t get behind this trade giving up 2 A-level prospects plus 2 decent draft picks, let alone 2NHL players.

Reimer is a backup so you’re trading all this for 1 NHL player, albeit a decent one who currently makes far too much and absolutely no guaranty he will be re-signed.

For me it’s necessary to balance current and future competitiveness and IMO this falls short.



28 Oct 2022 00:50:30
Canucks are looking to change things up having gone winless in their first 7 games.
Leafs appear to be swimming upstream.

To Leafs:
Bo Horvat ($5.5), Garland ($4.95) = $10.45

To Canucks:
Nylander ($6.9), Kerfoot ($3.5) = $10.4

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Garland
Steeves - Horvat - Jarnkrok
Engvall/ZAR - Kampf - NAK/Malgin/Gaudette


1.) 28 Oct 2022 08:25:01
So again we give up the best player. We need defence not more forwards.

2.) 28 Oct 2022 16:43:51
I mean 25th in the league in goals for. Might actually need forwards.

3.) 29 Oct 2022 05:01:47
Not sure that Nylander is as good an all round player as Horvat.
Horvat scored 31 goals last year while Nylander scored 34.
The key is that Horvat, at 215lbs, is much more physical and far better defensively.



03 Sep 2022 06:08:36
Nils Lundkvist (RHD), 22 years old, wants out of the Rangers organization.
Rasmus Sandin (LHD), 22 years old, appears to not want to remain a Leafs any longer.

Lundkvist doesn't see opportunity with the Rangers.
Sandin doesn't see opportunity with the Leafs.

Would a straight up, one for one trade make sense for both teams?


1.) 03 Sep 2022 12:15:40
Interesting idea, but I don't see how it solves anything for the Leafs or Sandin's issue. Do the Leafs really need another smallish, not very physical puck mover on D, even if he is an RD? I think the Leafs have enough of those. How does Sandin get a chance in NY? They have Miller, Lindgren, Jones and Hajek already on the left side with Robertson developing. I don't see how this really works for either team, especially when considering NYR would still have to sign Sandin and only have $1M left in cap space and they have no room for him on the team.

2.) 04 Sep 2022 02:22:28
I was thinking that none of Miller, Lindgren, kJones or Hajek are positively penciled in as Rangers 3rd pairing LHD so Sandin would have the opportunity to battle for the position.
An opportunity not available with the Leafs having Reilly, Muzzin & Giordano filling those positions.
For the Leafs, after Brodie we have only Liljegren in his second season and Holl in his final season as RHD.
Lundkvist would be a welcome addition to a defense that only has Niemala as a RHD in their prospect pool.
Thus, I felt Lundkvist would be a far more valuable asset to the Leafs than Sandin.

3.) 04 Sep 2022 14:19:33
@WB. Miller and Lindgren are pretty much locks for top 4 LD and have been the past two seasons. Leaves Sandin fighting for 3rd pair, which I agree he may win. Both Hajek and Jones makes less than a $1M and Sandin will want more than a $1M. There is nowhere for Sandin to move up and as you said, he has second pair potential.

I agree that Lundkvist wouldn't be a bad addition, but is he a necessary addition? Is he the addition the Leafs should be after to fill a need if moving Sandin? Leafs have other smallish RD in the system that move the puck. Just not the type of player the Leafs need imo.

You may be right and Lundkvist becomes a valuable asset. I just see Muzzin and Brodie likely gone in two years or less and Leafs have drafted lots of puck movers and no strong defensive D.

4.) 05 Sep 2022 02:10:40
I felt that the only realistic RHD prospect Leafs have is Topi Niemala and he is 2 or 3 years away from being ready for the big dance so Lundkvist perhaps fits the bill as 3rd pairing RHD ahead of Holl.



16 Aug 2022 04:46:34
I posted a similar but incomplete trade recently.

To Islanders:
Nylander (26), RW, two years left on his $6.9 contract, 34 goals, 80 points
Sandin (22) coming off ELC, contract TBD, protectable 4 - 5 defenseman
Robertson (20), LW, one year left on ELC

To Leafs:
Wahlstrom (22), RW, $0.894, last year of ELC
Beauvillier (25), LW, $4.15
Mayfield (29 - 30 in Oct.) RHD, $1.45, last year of contract

Islanders receive an elite, 1st line, RW to replace Wahlstrom (RW) and line up with Matthew Barzal.
Islanders also have William Dufour (RW Team Canada) in the pipeline) to replace Wahlstrom.
Saves them from making the mistake of signing a 32 year old Kadri to a 6 or 7 year contract for $7 - $8 million a year.
In Robertson, Isles receive a young, projected second line LW , on an ELC to replace Beauvillier
Sandin (22) fits into Islanders defense perfectly.
Noah Dobson (22), Alex Romanov (22), Sandin (22) Pelych (27), Pullock (27) solidifying their defense for years to come.

Leafs get Wahlstrom and Beauvillier to form a second line of:
Beauvillier - Tavares - Wahlstrom
Leafs also receive a RHD in Mayfield to complete a 3rd pairing with Muzzin.
Leafs defense:
Reilly - Brodie
Giordano - Liljegren
Muzzin - Mayfield.

The needs of both teams are met


1.) 16 Aug 2022 05:31:22
As an addendum to my above proposed trade:
I recognize that Lou would be very reluctant to negotiate with Toronto after they spurned him, 5 years ago, in favor of Leafs current dubious iteration of GM.
Lou Lamorillo would HAVE to feel he had won the trade before consummating any deal with the Leafs.
The general consensus is, that the team who gets the best player in a trade, wins the trade.
Nylander is easily the best player which might allow Lou to go home happy to have punished his former persecutors.

2.) 16 Aug 2022 10:58:06
So yet again Nylander is the best player in a trade . Lou would do this trade because he would this by a country mile.

3.) 16 Aug 2022 12:48:09
For a guy that calls Nylander "elite" and questions the value of young players that haven't done alot yet like Wahlstrom, this is the type of trade that you would be the first to say that is really bad for the Leafs and Nylander alone should get this return, nevermind adding Sandin and Robertson.

4.) 18 Aug 2022 02:52:12
That Nylander’s skills are elite can not be questioned.
As an overall package he leaves something to be desired.
Mayfield would be a perfect fit on the right side of Leafs 3rd pairing.
Beauvillier would fit well on Leafs 2nd line on the left wing.
Wahlstrom like most 22 year old players has yet to come into his own but has substantial upside and at 22 has the potential to be a perfect, 2nd line right wing behind Marner.
Like Tavares, Wahlstrom plays more of a north - south game than Nylander.
After playing Barry Trotz defense first game, playing on Leafs second line, with John Tavares, on an offensively minded team would be a breath of fresh air for Wahlstrom and Beauvillier likely bringing out the best in both of them.

“You would be the first to say this is really bad for the Leafs”
Then why did I suggest it?
You’re not making sense?
Nylander alone does not get you 2 - second line wingers and a good, defensive, 3rd pairing defenseman.
A trade must work for both teams, something most fans on this site fail to recognize as witnessed by the suggestions.
This trade provides for the needs of both teams while allowing Leafs the opportunity to trade Kerfoot without leaving a whole in the lineup, clearing ($3.5 million) off the Leafs cap.

5.) 18 Aug 2022 13:32:33
I think I made perfect sense. What are you missing?

You have called Nylander "an elite first line winger". That is different than saying he has elite skills but lacking in other areas. I have said the latter many times, but never the former.

As for the trade. You have often criticized others for offering up Nylander for players similar in age, pedigree and skill to Wahlstrom that have not "come into their own" yet with similar plusses like you have coming back to the Leafs. Now you are saying "like most 22 year olds" when it is your proposal. Normally you say "for a guy who has done nothing at the pro level". He is a guy who puts up points on the PP, but not much 5 on 5. Beauvillier is now 25 and never broken 40 pts. He only had 23 even strength points last season. Only one season of at least 30 EV points. Hardly a 2nd line winger by point standards. Wouldn't just keeping Kerfoot as 2LW who had 53 pts and is cheaper be a better option? Mayfield as a 3RD is an excellent option imo.

This is the same kind of return that others have put up for Nylander that you have come back saying things along the lines of, "A 34 goal, 80 pt elite first line winger for a 3rd pair D, a 2nd/ 3rd line winger and a young guy that has done nothing at the pro level yet! No way! " Even though others deal may also include cap savings which yours doesn't.

Though, when you throw out the deal and even add Sandin who you call a 4/ 5 D-man (better upside than Mayfield) and Robertson, one of the Leafs better prospects, it all makes sense and not the same that you have criticized?

"Nylander alone does not get you 2 - second line wingers and a good, defensive, 3rd pairing defenseman. " Although I agree, how are Wahlstrom and Beau 2nd line wingers at this point? By your own standards you have stated may times, they are not.

"A trade must work for both teams, something most fans on this site fail to recognize as witnessed by the suggestions. " It's one thing to think you are better than most on here, it is another to say it.

I stand by my statement that your proposal is the same kind of proposal created by others that you have heavily criticized. I can't be bothered looking them up, which you would argue are not similar anyway. You obviously don't have to agree with the statement, but you aren't really getting any support from anyone on your deal or explanation of why it is fair either. Maybe because it is a poor deal, or maybe because as you say, most fans on this site fail to recognize a good and fair trade that benefits both teams.




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19 Nov 2022 00:52:24
For those Leaf fans who wish to give up assets in a trade for Boeser!

"Boeser still without a goal in 11-games"


1.) 19 Nov 2022 12:00:57
I like Boeser. Fast, strong, big, good corner guy and has always shown to ability to score.
He got 2 last night in the Canuck win.

2.) 19 Nov 2022 14:02:29
I have to agree with WB49 on not going after Boeser. He does not use his size for a fairly big guy. He is inconsistent in his play. He gets sheltered defensively and not a guy that I would say has a strong engine to compete. If you just want a guy that feasts on the PP and has lots of talent and not a great engine, sure Boeser fits the bill. Isn't one Nylander enough? (Although in fairness to Willy, he has competed harder this year for the most part. Not to say he is now a physical player, just he is more so than previously)

3.) 19 Nov 2022 15:17:54
Ok, you folks are not fans of Boeser. Not the end of the world since there are other trades which can give us answers to our problems.

How about Sandin and Robertson to Arizona for Jack McBain, Joshua Brown and a 3rd round pick.

I think both sides get better which is a good thing in any exchange.

We get bigger and tougher to play against and Arizona get an expected future scorer and a replacement for what Gostisbehere gives at 1/ 2 the price (which always works for a team with a 5,000 seating capacity.

I like McBain’s upside and youth and to quote Don Cherry he’s a good boy, he’s Canadian. LOL.

4.) 19 Nov 2022 15:34:26
Rsears, You know I like Brown and McBain as they have been in numerous trade proposals of mine. Especially McBain. He is one of those guys I think could play with skilled players as a physical complimentary piece. Arz should jump all over that deal. Hopefully could get a little more out of them for Sandin and Robertson, but maybe not.

5.) 19 Nov 2022 19:54:51
So if WB49 is on board and a few others I’ll draft a letter to Dubas and tell him that his unheard close wannabe advisors are making their voices heard!



13 Nov 2022 00:31:11
Either one of Bradon Schenn or Ryan O'Reilly would greatly improve/strengthen Leafs 3rd line center position.
I'm not sure if either is available or what the cost would be?
Blues finally got a win after losing 8 games straight but might be in the market for a shakeup.
O'Reilly is a UFA at the end of this season while Bradon Schenn has 4 more years at $6.5 which is rather steep for Leafs cap situation.
It would be worth Dubas making a call to assess the situation!


1.) 13 Nov 2022 02:41:57
Is trade Nylander+ for Schenn. I prefer his game a lot for this team and 6.5 isn't outrageous.

2.) 13 Nov 2022 13:07:54
@LL, I personally believe St. Louis would need to add and not what you’re suggesting.

Schenn is not without his deficiencies and I don’t think he has ever scored like Nylander, nor will he ever.

I do understand people’s frustration with Nylander but he’s much more involve this year in the way he’s driving for the net or going hard around the net to make a play. Each year he adds a little more willingness to get to the dirty areas.

Sorry but I’m not making this trade unless the Blues add something significant.

3.) 13 Nov 2022 22:01:34
@Rsears You could be right and I'm looking at all Nylander trades as a Leafs fan that dislikes Wee Willy.



27 Oct 2022 23:38:17
For everyone who keeps posting trades for Chychrun.

Ice Chips: Coyotes D Chychrun suffers setback, out week-to-week.
Chychrun, 24, has not played since March 12 after suffering a season-ending ankle injury and had wrist surgery in the off-season that has kept him out of the lineup in 2022-23.

Six seasons: 82 x 6 = 492 games.
Games played: 337 games.
Max games played in one (1) season: 68 his rookie season

Leafs have had enough experience with chronically injured players and should be smart enough not to trade for another one.


1.) 30 Oct 2022 00:58:00
If I had to put on a Coyote uniform every night I'd try to be as injured as possible to.



24 Oct 2022 00:03:35
"The Jakob Chychrun trade winds have been picking up quite strongly in recent days, and the talented Coyotes blueliner could be on the move in the relatively near future. That being said, he'll have to get healthy first, and he may not be all that close to returning. Chychrun is still "a few weeks away," and he recently conducted an in-person visit to the wrist specialist who conducted his offseason surgery."

This is another player with a chronic injury history.
Over 6 seasons and 492 games, Chychrun has managed to suit up for a mere 337 games or roughly 68.5% of the team's schedule.
Leafs have had MORE than sufficient experience with injured players and do not need to add another to their roster.


1.) 24 Oct 2022 01:49:48
I don't actually think he adds much value either. He's an offensive defenceman who plays PP1.

If you wanted Chychrun, you shouldn't have signed Dubas.

2.) 24 Oct 2022 01:50:00
Got Dubas on the brain lol.




22 Oct 2022 02:15:19
I have never understood the fascination so many Leaf fans have with Jacob Chychrun?
Chychrun is another chronically injured player who spends far to much time in the infirmary.
It would be like trading for another Mrazek or Murray.
Chychrun has missed all of training camp and the Coyotes first 5 games of the season recovering from two separate injuries.
In his 6 year tenure as an NHL defenseman, Chychrun has only been able to put together one (1) above average season.
Outside of that he is basically a second pairing defenseman of which Leafs have more than enough.
Giving up young players (Sandin), prospects (Arizona would want native son Knies) and one, perhaps two 1st round picks (Leafs have had only 2 over the 5 years of Dubas' leadership) would be another massive mistake on the part of Leaf management who have become known for their egregious errors of judgment.


1.) 22 Oct 2022 05:24:10
I agree he is 24 and has already had both knees cut.

2.) 22 Oct 2022 12:58:49
If Muzzin is finished, he makes sense. Otherwise he would not be who the Leafs should target. imo.

3.) 23 Oct 2022 23:56:18
You and I both WB.

Always hurt, not good in his own end, one good year and nothing else, yet GM's want to offer the world for him.




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25 Nov 2022 01:50:17
Two 1st round picks, a 3rd round pick and a top prospect for Chychrun, who has an injury history comparable to Petr Mrazek and Matt Murray would not interest me at all.
I am somewhat bewildered by all of the love for Chychrun.
Outside of one above average season, Chychrun has been a “B” level defenseman in his 6 1/ 4 NHL seasons.
I would much prefer Gavrikov from CBJ’s if he was available.




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24 Nov 2022 00:58:00
Miss read that proposal.
Apologies everyone.
Though I would not trade Holmberg for Tampa’s version of Myers any more than I would trade him for Vancouver’s Tyler Myers!




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24 Nov 2022 00:54:53
Don’t want Chychrun.
Particularly for Matthew Knies plus two 1st round picks.
A big NO to this suggestion!




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24 Nov 2022 00:51:56
Schneider was a 1st round pick a couple of years ago and is already playing in Rangers top 6.
He is big, physical, skates well and is right handed.
I can not see the Rangers trading him let alone for Kerfoot.
There is also the cap hit difference between Kerfoot ($3.5) and Schneider ($925,000).
Though it is a nice thought it is highly unlikely to happen.




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23 Nov 2022 02:25:50
Larsson is Kraken’s best defender.
The Kraken are playing much better than last year and are hoping to fight for a playoff position.
They are not likely to trade their best defenseman to help the Leafs unless there is a substantial overpayment (an offer they can not refuse! )
Holl, Engvall and a 2nd in 2024 is certainly not that offer.
Matthew Knies and Leaf’s 2023 1st, might get them thinking.
Anything less and they enjoy the joke!





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14 Jun 2022 03:49:53
Yes to NJ Devils 2nd overall.
Yes to Arizona 3rd overall.

Unfortunately I can’t see either of those teams trading one of Shane Wright, Slafkovsky or Logan Cooley for a highly skilled but soft, right wing!




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14 Jun 2022 03:44:05
Clifford and Simmons?
I thought they had played their way off the team with their abysmal performances against Tampa.
Maroon and Perry showed us what we need on the 4th line and it’s certainly not Clifford &/ or Simmons.

Also, Robertson is a Left Wing not a right wing and Kerfoot needs to be upgraded.

Where do Sandin and Liljegren fit on this team?
They are the only NHL caliber, future prospects that Leafs have on defense.