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02 Oct 2018 23:41:57
Since Carolina is interested in Nylander:
Carolina Nylander
TML Faulk and Carolina's 2nd round pick 2019 or Dougie Hamilton straight up. Hmmmm...
1.) 03 Oct 2018 05:18:06
Neither.
I’ve really soured on Hamilton over the last couple years for various reasons. I’m not saying he’s a bad player, because he is obviously a very good player. I like his size and his offensive capabilities. But his lack of physical play has led me to believe he is just a great big RHD version of Jake Gardiner. Faulk is even worse. The contracts don’t match well either, with Faulk only having two years left and Hamilton with three years left. Nylander will be controllable for the next decade or more.
I like mostleafs suggestion of Pesce. He’s young, signed long term, and is effective defensive defenseman. If Carolina wants Nylander it would have to be for Peace+.
2.) 03 Oct 2018 06:53:32
I agree. Falk is not the player Leafs want or need.
Pesce on the other hand would be a perfect partner for Morgan Reilly.
But I feel that trade is too one sided and that Carolina would have to offer more.
How about:
To Carolina: Willian Nylander
To Leafs: Pesce and Teravainen.
3.) 03 Oct 2018 11:04:50
Who says Carolina is interested in Nylander?
If they are take Hugh Allans deal and run.
26 Jun 2017 01:37:24
Apparently Lou was involved in the Harmonic Sweepstakes (JVR and a 2018 first). Joe Sakic dragged his heels and it cost him dearly.
He was offered Hamonic and a 2017 first round pick for Duchesne.
Imagine if he then flipped Hamonic to the Flames for a 2018 first and second and a 2019 second.
In short Dushesne for two first round picks, and two second round picks. WOW!
1.) 26 Jun 2017 12:27:29
When you put it like that, it does make you think Sakic blew it on this one lol! Although, the Isles have a lot of good prospects plus 2 1st's and 2 2nd's to parlay for Duchesne now.
2.) 26 Jun 2017 15:55:33
I'm glad the Leafs didn't make that trade nor should they consider in moving their 1st round picks for players like that. In a few years time, they will be thanking themselves for holding onto that pick.
Patience is the key.
3.) 26 Jun 2017 17:16:49
Couldn't agree more. This shows just how high the price of a top 4 defender is at the moment. With all the JVR trade talk I wonder: How will they replace their second leading scorer from a position of weakness (LW is not highly stocked up at the moment) .
4.) 27 Jun 2017 14:31:02
In a cap era all teams will have some sort of deficiency or area of need. Hopefully, the Leaf's Management will continue to address these over the short and long-term. This is why drafting and developing are so important and why teams like Chicago and Nashville have found success.
The Leafs know they need to be careful about making short-term decisions. As fans, we've seen enough short sighted GM mistakes that the slow patient approach is more than appreciated. The Harmonic deal was being discussed prior to drafting Liljegren. I am sure at the time, the Leafs figured Liljegren would not fall to them. Maybe this experience will further reaffirm their need to stay patient. There is talk that next years draft will be much stronger. I wonder how Calgary will feel having to wait until the 3rd round to make a selection?
14 Jun 2017 00:57:34
This is courtesy of Jonathan Willis of Sportsnet. It mirrors a discussion I had on the discussion page about a little discussed defender.
Florida: Mark Pysyk
Toronto: Connor Carrick, 2018 second-round draft pick, Kerby Rychel
This makes sense on so many levels.
1.) 14 Jun 2017 14:02:17
The Leafs certainly have a need for Pysyk, but I would prefer Petrovic for that much.
But the right idea.
2.) 14 Jun 2017 16:18:09
That seems like a lot for a player who has nevertru found his feet I the NHL. I would rather Petrovic or Demers.
09 Jun 2017 18:19:39
Ana: Bieksa, Manson
Tor: Rychel, Lindberg, 2018 4th round pick.
Bieksa will be given a choice; be bought out or waive his NMC. It's in his interest to waive it.
Anaheim loses the Bieksa contract and gains a spot to protect a young forward/defender and gets a nice package for Manson.
Toronto gets a great RH shot suppressing defender who would slot nicely next to Gardiner or Rielly, Bieksa either plays it out (bottom pair) and plays for his next contract or he goes to Robidas Island and collects. Leafs lose forward prospects but gain a good young defender.
Hope it works. Would love if they sign Jumbo Joe as our extra centre too. We only have two more years of cap space; might as well use it now.
1.) 09 Jun 2017 19:48:52
Manson might be the 4th defender on a deep and talented defense but he's worth more than rychel and Lindberg. Sorry.
2.) 09 Jun 2017 21:15:45
You have to remember the Leafs are taking Bieksa off their hands in this deal, that has immense value for the Ducks.
3.) 10 Jun 2017 00:14:51
Write the deal like this:
Manson = Rychel, Lindberg, 2018 4th, -Bieksa (cap dump/ favour)
Looks pretty balanced to me.
4.) 10 Jun 2017 02:33:06
Also note. A buyout does not help the Ducks cap situation, being 35+ his salary still counts against the cap. $4M for a # 6/ 7 D-man is a pretty hefty price to pay. For the Leafs the up side is he can play LD or RD from the #7 slot and he still hits a ton (37th in the league last year) . An upgrade on Polak. Manson is a good fit with Rielly and moves Carrick to the 3rd pair to develop in protected minutes. Ducks get to keep their top 5 D-men.
Good trade and more even then it seems. Helps both teams. One change; take out the 2018 4th and add Marchenko. Ducks need him to satisfy Ex Draft requirements.
5.) 10 Jun 2017 03:23:12
Ducks have better options than what you are offering. They could offer up Vatanen to ease their cap, get a better return and then protect Manson. I would also venture to say that they will offer LV a higher draft pick to select a certain player if they can't swing a decent trade for one of their D-men.
6.) 10 Jun 2017 12:06:23
spider:
Good point on the exposure requirement; that's another favour. The problem is that the Leafs might have to protect Bieksa. Unless he waives it for the Leafs as well, allowing them to protect Manson, leaving Carrick for Vegas.
AM34:
1) The Ducks have to move Bieksa, they can't afford to buy him out; they have no room cap wise. The best scenario for the ducks cap wise is a similar deal where they move Vatanen and Bieksa.
2) Deals with Vegas are not going to be cheap, they are going to be expensive. Vegas is not there to do the Ducks a favour, they have the Ducks in a blind :-) . The cost will be expensive and it would have to be more than what Manson or Vatanen would be worth and that's more than a 1st. Vegas calls the "shot" :-) .
3) As for GM's moving Dmen. There are only 4 teams that have space for a Dman. The rest have to expose a good Dman to take one they think will be better. Best of luck there.
4) Vegas gets to take up to 13 Dmen. 3 goalies, and the 14 forwards. Why take the maximum number of Dmen? Because they are the best commodity for trading Jan 1st 2018! They will get Vegas the best return. In other words they don't need to deal now; when they can hold a high end auction later.
Don't assume they will be nice about it and help other teams out. They need to maximize their take in this talent heist.
Carolina, NJ, and Toronto have the cap space and the opening to make the trade.
7.) 12 Jun 2017 07:24:29
rather send brown straight up.
25 Dec 2016 03:53:31
Saw these two online so decided to share. JVR only gets traded from a position of strength (forwards) for a position of weakness (defence).
JVR to the Islanders for Pulock (best defensive prospect) and a first round pick
JVR and a second round pick to the Flames for Hamilton
I wonder if in the offseason JVR isn't part of a trade with the Ducks for one of their surplus defenders. Fowler is the obvious choice but I wonder if Lindholm could be pried away.
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01 Jun 2017 00:08:30
Besides the Ducks and Wild, the Panthers will also be having an expansion dilemma.
If Pysyk is available how about this:
Tor: Carrick, 2017 2nd rounder, 2018 4th rounder.
Fla: Pysyk
I'm sure Talon would want an exempt player in return like Dermott but that would be an interesting discussion.
1.) 01 Jun 2017 13:50:07
Interesting guy; Pysyk is a RHD, is a good skater and passer, and would make a pretty decent 2nd pair guy. He kind of fits the style the Leafs seem to be signing. But I wouldn't trade Dermott for him, as Dermott's evaluation isn't complete yet. Panthers could use a couple of RW's.
The Panthers can't protect Petrovic either (unless they go 4 and 4) who has more offense and size. I would rather Petrovic (6'4", physical, 15-20 pts who take cares of his own end), who will surely be taken by Vegas.
Both players fit a need on the Leafs.
So I would suggest both:
The Panthers have RHD up the kazoo and are in need of a quality LHD.
Tor: Gardiner, Sosh, Lindberg, 2018 4th rounder.
Fla: Pysyk, Petrovic, 2017 2nd.
We get to protect both and get a 2nd. Solves the RHD issue. Leaves Carrick unprotected, but you never know. Gardiner moves on after a great year, but we are thick on the LHD.
We are not giving up something we can't afford to lose, and neither are the Panthers.
I think the expn. draft will drive deals that would normally never be made.
2.) 01 Jun 2017 22:50:35
We would then have a hole in our top 4 D on LHD. Doesn't make sense to move Gardiner he's had a great year. We need to trade with a team that needs young forwards bc the Leafs have so much of interest.
3.) 02 Jun 2017 00:52:43
I think the Leafs would be loathe to let Gardiner go. Wonder if Sosh and Lindberg plus a pick gets Pysyk. I think that the Panthers situation is being overlooked in the trade section with all the focus on the Ducks and Wild.
You never know. Ducks might get Perry to waive his no trade; who would want his declining production and contract? That would save them a good player.
Little known fact: Vegas gets a running start on UFA's. If they sign a team's UFA that counts as a selection. We might see a few trades where that would be the "consideration" in receiving a draft pick (s) .
4.) 04 Jun 2017 13:55:55
@Weaksauce
They all pretty much had a great year.
We are thick on the LHD. Moving Gardiner is less of a loss than moving JVR from the LW where we are thinner. Yet we all want to move JVR.
Gardiner will be in the same position as JVR is in now in a year. Do you want to pay Gardiner 6-8 M with his poor defence, I don't; and his replacement will be more than ready by then and a lot cheaper.
Petrovic should get a deal around 3-4 M and Pysyk less than that. Petrovic will drop the gloves, throw hits, clear the front of the net, and more. And he's good at it.
Gardiner does none of that.
Pysyk is the smooth skating 1st passer that the Leafs are trying to get, and will make a good addition on the 2nd/ 3rd pair, depending on the game need at the time.
But we can't protect 2 Dmen coming in unless we move one out. Would you rather move Rielly? Carrick is not enough for the package.
Zaitsev is going nowhere for now. Rosen can start in Gardiner's spot, until a better prospect takes his shot.
And LHD is much easier to replace than RHD.
5.) 05 Jun 2017 00:49:08
I see where you're coming from and I agree. But I just don't see Rosen being able to adapt to the speed of the NHL and become a top 4 D man in his first year. He's third pairing at best for now.
As for the Panthers, they wouldn't be able to protect Gardiner either with Yandle, Demers and Ekblad being their 3 protected. So I don't think it makes sense for them unless they're addressing their needs on the offensive.
01 Jun 2016 22:37:38
Toronto will not give up their 2016 third round pick as compensation. Having done that the League now has mandated that the Leafs' third rounders in 2017 and 2018 will be going to Detroit and NJ respectively.
The Leafs therefore have no third round picks to trade the next two seasons so please don't include them in future trades (unless they are picks picked up from other teams of course).
1.) 03 Jun 2016 01:50:43
What it rules out for the most part is Lou's favorite pastime of offer sheets for the next two years.
2.) 03 Jun 2016 15:00:34
Unless they make trades to reaquire them. Wonder if Ekblad gets an offer sheet next year. Kid's a stud and Florida is hurting at the gate. Who knows?
12 May 2016 16:35:52
I know we are getting a ton of posts on trading the first overall pick. I read this on line and want your honest thoughts on whether you would do this.
Ari: Strome, Dvorak, Fischer and both first round picks (#7 and # 24 from NYR)
TML: First overall pick
If Arizona were to offer this why wouldn't Lou go for it? Remember that Lindros was traded and the Nordiques got the best of that deal.
1.) 12 May 2016 19:03:11
I think without OEL in that deal, I wouldn't be happy enough, just not enough proven NHL level skill, they all may turn out to be first liners but would you chance the backfire?
06 May 2016 22:00:43
Ducks will have an issue not only with losing a goalie in the expansion draft but because they have to protect NMC players they will lose a good defender.
So:
Ducks Vantanen
TML. 2017 2nd round pick, 2018 2nd round pick, Josh Leivo, Brendan Leipsic, Stuart Percy.
1.) 07 May 2016 01:25:14
Too much
2.) 07 May 2016 13:23:40
It's a little much, no? Unless you're just suggesting a combination made up of all that, and not the entirety, in which case I'm ok with losing some of those pieces.
Shadow
3.) 08 May 2016 00:28:32
Yeah I agree with you guys. Saw this online and thought I would share. Personally one second and the three prospects are good. I don't see any of the three being in the NHL really.
On the flip side Sami will be a top 4 defender which will complement out defensive corps (I think he's a RH shot as well).
The Ducks are going to have to make a few moves ahead of the expansion draft.
03 Apr 2016 16:54:01
Oilers are desperate for a puck moving defender so they offer sheet Reilly in the summer; say 7.4 mil
Do you let him go and collect 2 firsts, one second and one third?
Hmmmm. what would you do?
1.) 03 Apr 2016 20:58:33
As much as I'd rather not give up Reilly, it would be hard to say no to all of those picks. It really comes down to how much he is worth now and how much he'll be worth in the future over the course of the contract term. If they offer 7.4mil per year and you think he'll be worth that at the end of his contract, it might be worth keeping him. Only let him go if it's a gross overpayment (such as if they offer him 12mil).
2.) 04 Apr 2016 00:59:10
I agree, letting him go would move the rebuild back a couple years. he is a stud and who we build the D around. that said, if it's a ridiculous number, our hand forced and the picks would be a nice compensation
3.) 04 Apr 2016 20:08:19
"If it ain't broke don't fix it." Leafs are in a good place. If Edmonton oilers Admin are little more intelligent than they have been, with their first pick they will choose the top available Defensive prospect this year.
When pulling a trailer you should distribute the wealth of weight; not everything up front. My guess, with their 1st pic. forward and perhaps they unload a forward or two for an available D and prospect?
02 Jul 2019 01:42:25
Dubas has done a lot of work in a short amount of time. Well done so far.
02 Jul 2019 01:39:51
Ticks off all the boxes for the Leafs but next year there are three UFA's on the blue line. Until then this is a good trade.
22 May 2019 18:34:36
Love the Pesce trade. The rest I'm not too keen on. Severe overpayment to Detroit.
22 May 2019 18:28:39
I like the thought put into this post. It only underscores just how tight up against the cap we are. Marleau and/ or Nylander HAVE TO GO for no other good reason other than cap compliance.
Schenn would be a wasted trade as he's rather SLOW.
30 Dec 2018 19:29:13
That's an expensive rental player to be sure. He's the type of forward we are missing for sure. Still think a RHD is the priority.
02 Jun 2017 00:56:33
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knights go after Reichel. There will be many more better D options for them from other teams.
02 Jun 2017 00:55:12
True. I really think Lou and Hunter draft a defender or the best available player (depending on who is available) . Hopefully the best player is a RHD.
02 Jun 2017 00:52:43
I think the Leafs would be loathe to let Gardiner go. Wonder if Sosh and Lindberg plus a pick gets Pysyk. I think that the Panthers situation is being overlooked in the trade section with all the focus on the Ducks and Wild.
You never know. Ducks might get Perry to waive his no trade; who would want his declining production and contract? That would save them a good player.
Little known fact: Vegas gets a running start on UFA's. If they sign a team's UFA that counts as a selection. We might see a few trades where that would be the "consideration" in receiving a draft pick (s) .
26 Jun 2016 00:06:55
Wasn't there a second going back to the Pens this year as well?
10 Jun 2016 23:19:22
Holland and a couple of other RFA's are also trade bait this year.