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03 Jun 2016 22:06:04
A two-tiered trade proposal based on recent speculations.
TRADE #1
To NYI: JVR
To Toronto: Michael Dal Colle, 2016 1st rounder (#19)
Leafs gamble on a recent top-fiver whose stock has fallen a touch and grab yet another first-rounder, Isles get an elite winger in his prime for Tavares. JVR just out of Shanaplan age-wise, his value will never be higher. Dal Colle is admittedly a risk (he looked lost in a game I caught against the Marlies) but he has size (which Leafs need) and a high-ceiling skill-wise. And best of all, he's just nineteen.
TRADE #2
To Calgary: NYI 1st rounder (#19), Pitts 1st rounder (#30), NJ 3rd Rounder (#72, from Pitts) .
To Toronto: 2016 1st rounder (#6)
Leafs shoot for quality over quantity, trade three solid picks for a top ten selection. Flames get a chance to restock depleted prospect cupboard, which has become rather thin in recent years.
Leafs draft one of Chychrun, Juolevi, Sergachev (in that order) and check off the bluechip D-man box, as well as add a rock solid forward prospect with size.
1.) 04 Jun 2016 02:43:00
i love it. I think maybe throwing in a player instead of the third rounder would be nice. it may be a lot to ask for calgarys pick. more than what you are offering. I think maybe a side deal with minny for pick number 15, then try to jump up would be best. as much as we could use the Dmen in the draft, possibly grabbing dubios at number 6 would be huge. plays center and the wing. i'd like to keep the third and take a run at middleton and or day early in the third round.
i would be game for flipping jvr for the 6th pick. try to go big and get wiedmen and andersson for jvr plus
2.) 04 Jun 2016 03:27:19
like it as a leaf fan but I don't think Calgary gives up #6.
3.) 04 Jun 2016 15:27:16
Agree. The Dal Colle trade is solid for both. As for the Calgary, not sure why they would trade down when they already have 3 2nd's and their own picks in the 1st and 3rd.
4.) 04 Jun 2016 15:32:29
I also honestly don't see any team in the top 10 trading out of the top 10. Edmonton if they trade, is likely only back a couple spots. You could have MTL or COL trade down slightly, but not out that far.
5.) 04 Jun 2016 16:30:30
I think dealing directly with the Flames with JVR would be better. They need size up front in their top 6 (and a goalie of course). Nice post!
6.) 04 Jun 2016 18:35:09
I think JVR for the 6th OA + a 2nd Rnd + a medium prospect.
JVR is a former 2nd OA (446 NHL games 0.62pts/GP) on a cheap contract and has deilvered 55-60 pts per year, despite never playing with a 1st line center in Toronto.
People massively over rate the picks after the top 3. Check how many of the 6 OA's have reached .62 pts/GP and 446 games; not that many.
18 May 2016 17:42:18
A three-tiered trade proposal .
TRADE #1
To Detroit: Pittsburgh 1st rounder (27-30), Bozak
To Toronto: Detroit 1st rounder (16), Datsyuk
A version of this trade has been proposed before, so apologies for the plagiarism. Detroit fills a hole at center and gets cap relief while maintaining a first-rounder, we move into the coveted mid-tier of the first round.
TRADE #2
To New Jersey: Detroit 1st rounder (16), San Jose 2017 2nd Rounder
To Toronto: NJ 1st rounder (11)
Not crazy about giving up future second draft picks, but we own three in 2017, and this will likely be our lowest (after ours and Ottawa's) . Specifically targeting NJ here because their prospect cupboard is pretty thin and adding a second rounder while retaining a spot in the middle tier of round one would be enticing.
TRADE #3
To Calgary: NJ 1st rounder (11), Ottawa 2017 2nd Rounder
To Toronto: Cal 1st rounder (6)
The Flames add another pick to help replenish their own depleted prospect pool while staying high enough in 2016 draft to snag a potential elite center like Jost or Keller or a big winger like Gauthier.
Leaving Leafs with 2016 #6 pick. Leafs draft best of Juolevi, Chychrun, Sergachyov (my vote is Chychrun, who has the highest ceiling) .
Yes, this depletes our cupboard a bit in 2017, but Toronto still maintains it's own 2nd round draft pick, which will likely be the highest of the three. There is also still time to acquire assets to flip while in rebuild mode, at least for the next year or two. This is fair market value for trade 2 and 3 based on a number of "what it costs to move up" sites, and gives the Leafs a badly needed potential top-two defenseman of the future.
And best of all, this doesn't go down without the Pitts first rounder. Which helps take the sting out of the Kessel trade.
1.) 18 May 2016 19:09:06
I like it. Good post
2.) 18 May 2016 21:03:38
This is a really well thought out post. Even getting to pick 11 would be a huge upgrade. Nice job!
3.) 18 May 2016 23:57:44
5 reasons why this is a good and fair scenario? We get sometimes a little goofy when things are beginning to turn the corner. It's been too long folks since the buds have celebrated the joy of tasting what come from the cup.
stay the course and be patient; good things are happening.
Thank you.
4.) 19 May 2016 00:40:24
I don't think that Calgary would toss back a chance at one of the more elite players for a 2nd. I think targeting someone a little later back may be more practical. 7-9 range. Just my opinion though. Well thought out.
5.) 19 May 2016 01:09:46
What are you talking about? Stay the course. The guy suggested a way to make the pick better. I can see concerns about Datsyuk but don't acting like he mortgaged the future
6.) 19 May 2016 02:19:59
i feel like it would be more like
Toronto Sends :
11th Overall (Acquired from New Jersey)
29th Overall
Calgary Sends :
6th Overall
53rd Overall(Acquired from Florida)
55th Overall(Acquired from Dallas)
7.) 19 May 2016 06:04:55
I don't think we're taking on any more bad contracts for assets so no way this happens.
8.) 20 May 2016 17:14:08
you get fleeced in trade #1 so everything after that sucks. Trade Bozak and a 3rd for Datsuyk and Mantha. Detroit dumps the salary so they can sign FA's and pay the leafs off by including Mantha for the "favour". leafs only have cap hit for one season.
25 Apr 2016 19:11:08
The only three Leaf trades I'd consider over the summer .
1) Flip #1 to Arizona
I know there's an 80% chance of this not happening but a boy can dream. And I'm not even sure I would do this. I'm just saying I'd listen to offers. Given AM's homegrown status the hype winds may present us with a steal. Maybe not a steal like some of the stuff posted on this site (see, OEL) but a steal nonetheless. Something like .
Dylan Strome
#7 pick (Tkachuk, Nylander, Chychrun)
Christian Dvorak
Yes, Matthews has a higher ceiling than DS but not THAT much higher. And there's something to be said for generating homegrown talent. With DS there would be three local centerpieces (Kadri, Marner, Strome) that could really help fuel fan-excitement once this team is on the upswing. And there are lots of options at #7. I threw in Dvorak because, well, why not. He's not massive and will likely be a second-liner but he plays well with Marner, has soft hands, and would be a nice piece. Also, Arizona is stacked with prospects. I personally think this is too high an ask but stupidity is the love child of hype and sentimentality so why not float it.
2) Trade up to get another Top Fifteen pick.
This is the only one of my proposals I think the Leafs will actually do. We have a lot of good prospects but very few great ones. I'm too lazy to figure out the actual valuations, but it would be something like packaging our late first (around 27) with our second (31) with maybe a sixth rounder to move into the top fifteen. We all know about the dropoff after the top three but less discussed is that the next dozen are pretty awesome. This would be a chance to add a stud d-man (Fabbro, Bean) or an offensive weapon (Jost, Keller) . These type of players are very hard to acquire once we're back in playoff contention. To me, this is a no-brainer.
3) Trade JVR for another Top Fifteen pick and/ or bluechip prospect.
Some may disagree on this one. Don't get me wrong, I like JVR. He's our best player and a good leader. He is still young (ish), and I get the argument that we need players like him for the rebuild. But leadership can be found elsewhere (see Laich, Komorov) and JVR's market value will never be as high as it is now. There isn't a team in the NHL who couldn't use a thirty-goal, sixty-point guy in his prime. But by the time the Leafs are back on track he'll be in his thirties. Trading JVR puts the leadership spotlight on the younger guys (Kadri, Reilly) which may actually be better for the club in the long run. And there are some serious studs in the top fifteen (see, above) . A trade like this could add a core piece that will put us over the edge when the time comes.
And now, back to the lottery simulator .
Leaf Me Alone.
1.) 25 Apr 2016 21:48:32
I like where your head is at.
If the hockey Gods allowed them to draft Matthews, the only way I would consider trading him is by being over paid and Strome and Arizona's 1st is not an over payment but if you a Dvorak I would think long and hard about it but I would still be hesitant.
As for trading up, I think it's something the Leafs have to do. By using a draft pick calculator found on broadstreethockey.com I figured out what it would cost to move up. If the Pens lose to Washington if think the pick will be 25th overall. If they trade the 25th and the 31st overall, that will get them enough value for the 13th pick. If they trade the 25th overall, 2017 San Jose 2nd (say 45th overall), and NJ's 3 rounder this year (71st) this will give them enough value to get the 15th overall from Minnesota (who are down a lot of picks this year).
I think JVR has to be dealt this off season as well. He will be 27 (meaning he is on the outside of the sub 25 year old core they want) and his value will never be higher. The Trouba for JVR and a 4th makes a lot of sense to me
2.) 26 Apr 2016 02:22:41
Good post
Matthews will be kept
Trading up to get a second top ten pick would be awesome
Love the trade of jvr to the peg or even to the wild for dumba
Would also like to see them go after a goalie like andersen
3.) 26 Apr 2016 12:08:36
Yes, keep Matthews and don't trade him.
Trading picks to move up into the top 15 is an ideal
4.) 26 Apr 2016 15:29:02
I also agree with comments above, keep Matthews unless OEL is on the table which seems very unlikely.
I do think we'll see the Leafs try and move up into the top 15 to grab one of the very good D-men in this draft.
I've been advocating a JVR for Dumba or Trouba type of trade for a while now. and I'm a big JVR fan. but only if the Leafs don't get the # 1 OA pick because that would mean they are likely drafting a big strong winger. If they do get # 1 and draft Matthews, I say keep JVR for that top line!
5.) 06 May 2016 06:28:58
home grown talent means NOTHING. Leafs will not trade first overall pick. Strome is over rated.
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26 Apr 2016 06:16:05
I don't think they trade down if they could nab one of the big Finns, they're a significant notch above the next tier. But your strategy might work if we pick fourth. With some scouts saying there are as many as a dozen players worthy of that slot, they might consider moving down a few notches and then packaging the assets gained with the Pens first rounder to get a second pick in the top fifteen.
10 Jun 2015 21:05:37
While I agree that some of the Kessel proposals are off, don't think he can be had for chump change. Yes, he collapsed a bit this year, but he remains number six in points over the last four seasons (right between Tavares and Stamkos) in spite of playing for one of the worst teams in the league with Bozak as his pivot. Kessel has been one of (if not the) most dynamic players in the game for periodic stretches over his career, and he is entering his prime. There isn't a GM in the league who doesn't know that.
As for his value, it's too early to say a Kessel trade can't equal the package the Bruins got for him. Hindsite is twenty-twenty, as the cliché goes. No one knew that the two firsts we gave up for him would turn into Seguin and Hamilton -- they could've just as easily been Brett Connolly and Duncan Siemens, in which case the Kessel trade would be viewed as a highway robbery executed by the Leafs.
So yes, you are right in saying Filip Forsberg won't be part of any package for Kessel, or any other player who has broken out (like a Klingberg, say, or Gaudreau). But he is definitely worth a pre-breakout prospect (Fiala, Reinhart), plus a first, plus a roster player/cap dump. And that's exactly what the Leafs are going to get for him.
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