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22 Jan 2020 02:03:12
Leafs: Nylander
Rangers: Georgiev and D'angelo
Add as u wish. And in the end I don't care about the rangers cap. Haven't looked. Whatever the impact they can do other things if needed
For the leafs, they need a backup goalie, defence help and maybe some toughness. But without huge salaries. These guys cost roughly $1.7 m. Cap savings over $5m. Now when Reilly and muzzin return u can send sandin back down and have Dermott, muzzin and Reilly on left side. Barrie, holl and D'angelo on right. Helps now and won't impact cap badly
Balance can pay for a tough winger to come in if they wish for the year
Next year Reilly / D'angelo / resign muzzin, holl / sandin and Liljegren. Should be below $20m
Now I know that trade is likely incomplete but just wanted to show impact. If they trade 2 of Kerfoot, Johnsson or Kapanen they can accomplish the same cap impact.
You get rid of ceci u find another 4.5.to play with as well. Nylander fits the bill to accomplish other needed things.
1.) 22 Jan 2020 04:47:18
No reason at all to send Sandin back down now. He is burning an elc year regardless so I wouldn't trade for a replacement.
2.) 22 Jan 2020 08:54:11
He might be burning an ELC year, but if he plays less than 40 games this year doesn’t count towards his total for UFA purposes. If he plays over 40 he gets to become a UFA a year earlier. So there is still some incentive to keep him out for at least a few games. Depends on if Dubas thinks he will be here when Sandin becomes UFA. Lol. Any good GM knows to win now, don’t worry about the future.
3.) 22 Jan 2020 18:07:17
He has one more game before he burns a year. Until that happens its still possible to send him back.
11 Jan 2020 15:17:48
Dermott and Kapanen for Pesce
Moving forward, here is what I see. And of course if the leafs think differently there is zero possibility
On defence, my personal opinion is they should resign muzzin. Who knows how much but say $6m. Now on the left side, if that happens and sandin moves up, there is no room for Dermott
So he plays right u say. OK. Holl was signed and they seem happy to play him with muzzin. If Liljegren moves up, that leaves the top pairing for Dermott
Is he a top pairing guy? I've paid attention to his play lately and I've noticed a lot of giveaways. I personally don't think so
Kapanen I just don't like. Skates like the wind but little else in my eyes
Pesce fills a need.
1.) 11 Jan 2020 18:15:54
If you get pesce know that sandin or liljgren are going other wsy.
2.) 11 Jan 2020 18:57:05
Nylander is to much and Kappy is not enough. adding Dermott is fair. I like the deal and I hope the Leafs resign Muzzin as well. B great to have 2 solid top 4 defensive dmen.
3.) 11 Jan 2020 20:56:58
I would take this deal and I'm sure Carolina would as well.
4.) 11 Jan 2020 21:05:08
Why is that redwing. I've noticed u make many comments but usually just to make fun of others or offer an opinion that has little to no basis in fact or reality. Is it intentional? Personally I couldn't care less but if it is, you really need to find other things to do. Quite sad really.
5.) 11 Jan 2020 21:09:40
Having responded once to redwings comment, I will respond a second time and ask others. Would u keep Dermott and trade Liljegren and Kapanen for Pesce?
For me, Dermott will be looking for a nice pay day, say $3m. But if Pesce arrives he is on third pairing. Which economically speaking makes no sense to me. So a question.
What other defenceman who makes $5m or less, would u trade for and give up Kapanen and Dermott in return. Who fits.
6.) 12 Jan 2020 01:04:47
@moneytalks
RedWing is an instigator. He spews crap he greats from other posters on the main page. He thinks these guys are analysts or something. He never backs his comments up with anything silly like stats or facts. Just comment by fiat. When pressed he resorts to challenging us to re-post our trades on the main page, which he himself has done several times, only to be told in the majority of cases he is wrong anyway. He is deeply outdated on the value of players and the major shifts undergoing in the league. As a result, his thought processes are warped. Kinda like Babcock, he just hasn’t kept up with the changing times. I used to think it was intentional with the goal to troll and irritate. But I’ve come to realize that what he is saying he truest believes is true, despite all evidence pointing against him. Even when he is directly proven to be wrong, he makes up excuses. (Karlsson, Trouba, Subban are three major trades that he was way off on for example) . Is he was saying these things 3-5 years ago, he was right. But not now. He has failed to appreciate the massive influx of elite defensemen coming into the league, which lowers the value of these older guys. If you can get him to open up a little and explain himself more, he actually does have a good grasp on things. He is just too stubborn and obstinwnt to change his thinking patterns to match the new nhl. The game is changing, rapidly, and he hasn’t picked up on it yet. And to give him credit, the Blues are a highly successful team, so I can understand why he is that way. But what works for the Blues doesn’t work for everyone. And just because Pietrangelo might be an expensive free agent doesn’t mean his trade value is sky high. As a pending UFA, Pietrangelo gets what Karlsson got in a trade. Like in law, precedents are what set the market in hockey. Until RedWing starts looking at recent trade activity and understand the ideological shift underway in the nhl, he will never grasp the full importance of the magnitude this is having on the game as a whole. So, when faced with silly things like facts and math, he falls back on dogma and fiat statements. Which means that it will be Kappy, Sandin, 1st for a guy like Pesce, who is a 2RHD at best on virtually any team in the league. Pesce is a very good player. A top 4 defenseman on most teams, yes. But he is not elite. That’s why he makes $4.5M, not $9M+. And a trade like Kapanen, Sandin, 1st is a trade you make for a guy like Jones or last years Dumba, or any others lie that who are true 1RHDs.
Just grin and bear it. And when it becomes insufferable, challenge him to show his work. Provide explanations, precedents, stats. He won’t. He’ll drop it and go into hiding for a day or two and pop up again once a new contributor posts a weak proposal that is easy for him to jump on to “prove†his point that all Leaf fans are delusional.
Don’t worry about him though Moneytalks. He’s harmless though irritating. And he does have some good points and he does help keep the more outlandish contributors tethered to reality somewhat.
7.) 12 Jan 2020 01:10:23
To me it’s simple Dermott has actually looked pretty solid this year and is a proven nhl player Lilegren plays the right side and looks to be finally finding a bit of his game but still has no nhl experience so if it was one or the other I’d take Dermott he’s a good enough skater to play the right side imo. but with that being said I think Carolina would be asking for a forward or goalie prospect they have guys like bean fluery who are more than capable of filling that role so to me it would be kappy and Bracco for Pesce.
8.) 12 Jan 2020 02:18:39
Leafs can spend $20m on defence unless they change the team substantially.
Reilly, Pesce, muzzin, holl, sandin and Liljegren in that range. One of Liljegren or Dermott will go
We shall see i guess.
9.) 12 Jan 2020 04:44:23
I would trade Lili and keep Dermott. I don't see any way to resign Reilly to the 11-14/ yr (no idea what cap will be by then) he will command. I think it's safe to say 50/ 50 shot he leaves when contract is up. Dermott and Sandin become the future on that side.
I have hopes for Lili I do. I really don't dislike the guy but I would rather a proven NHL quality guy than an unproven one.
10.) 12 Jan 2020 14:50:40
Finally I read something about Reilly leaving. Assuming that's the case, when do u trade him. For that matter, Andersen is likely in same boat.
11.) 12 Jan 2020 18:06:03
Pesce would be the guy paired with Reilly. He would be the best defensive Dman on your team. I sit here and laugh offerening no explanation because I have answered this trade and many like it several times. It goes in one ear and out the other with you guys. Know that pesce is highly regarded and coveted by Carolina. No team in nhl is the legs farm system so your sheet offered don't cut it or they would have been done by now.
12.) 12 Jan 2020 18:07:29
Also if you want to say past trades run the market then blues offer Sanford Steen 1st 2020 2nd 2021 for nylander cause tha ts what blues paid for ror. see what I mean.
13.) 12 Jan 2020 22:30:26
I've read your responses many times. Don't recall too many intelligent responses. So I shall ignore them moving forward. As I'm sure most do.
24 Oct 2019 00:40:57
OK so read the whole thing before u snap:
Hyman for mcdavid
Clearly silly. But I want to post here. I get all the win now thinking and agree but for a moment I want to look to next year
Basic numbers tell me if they resign Hyman and mikeyev keeps it up, forward payroll next year touches $60m.
Let Barrie and ceci go and resign muzzin and Dermott, with sandin and Liljegren in, looking at roughly $23m if u find a decent rd to play with Reilly.
Add your goalies and the total gets to roughly $90m
My point: yes I get it Hyman adds value but I don't think dubas keeps him. I think both he and Nylander will go. Whether I agree or don't
My question. What can they get for those two, keeping in mind with all the corresponding moves that likely need a 3rd line rw and a top rd for roughly a $7m cost
This leaves a couple million to play with later if needed.
Interested to hear thoughts for who they can bring in to "correct some of the current issues"
1.) 24 Oct 2019 10:58:23
Losing Hyman would be a bigger hit the team than losing Nylander right now. The Leafs have a plethora of skilled guys but they lack a lot the competitive edge that a guy like Hyman brings to the team. That's a really tough call to make but I don't think Hyman will demand an insane amount of money.
Obviously if EDM agreed to this I would do the deal though lol.
2.) 24 Oct 2019 11:33:51
I swear this is Jodes? Did you change your user name? If it’s not Jodes, then at least now Jodes will have someone to talk to on the same level as him. If Nylander doesn’t start picking it up soon, he might get traded just to save Dubas some face. Cause right now, it’s looking like everyone was right all along. Nylander is not elite and I eat my words. He’s a beneficiary of playing with elite players, not the other way around. He doesn’t elevate anyone’s game, and in fact, I’m starting to thing he might actually be depressing Matthews point totals now too. I still can’t stand the greedy balding holdout. I wouldn’t cry if he got traded. Justifies everything I said about him a year ago. This will be Dubas’ worst deal. And that front loaded contract means we pay him 40% of his salary since signing it less than a year ago. And what have we received in that year. Since signing that contract he has 34 points in 67 games. All that for $18M+ he’s earned in the last year. Has to be the biggest overpay of all time.
3.) 24 Oct 2019 13:19:42
Your being really hard on Nylander here lol. I don't really get why. He hasn't looked the best no one has lately. He has 7 points and 3g in 11 games. That really isn't a horrible showing. He's on Pace for 56 points and 22 goals. Obviously those are not elite numbers but to say Nylander is the over paid one on the team is beyond me. He has 1 goal and one assist on the power play. Everyone's boy Mitchie has 3 goals 12p. 6 of those coming on the power play and 2 of 3 goals. At 5 on 5 Marner looks like a big pile of garbage half the time this year. Mathews also looked a lot better without Marner beside him. He and Nylander seem to gel far better.
What's happening to the team right now doesn't look like bad players to me it looks like Babcock. I don't mean he's a bad coach by that though, I mean they just look like they don't want to play for him anymore. Everyone appears to have tuned him out to this point. There is zero effort coming from any of the top guys. Not that they can't still score, that they just have a "I don't care" attitude right now. It is rapidly approaching the time when Babcock needs to go.
4.) 24 Oct 2019 13:26:12
Accidentally hit send.
You want to blame anyone blame Marner at -5 with 6 5 on 5 points in 11 games and one goal. Or Barrie who somehow got himself a -5 while his partner is a +3. Barrie is one of the most overrated players I have ever seen. I will never understand the love everyone had for him when he was traded for. Would rather have resigned Gardiner and played him with Muzzin.
Nylander, Marner and Mathews all suffer from the same thing. They don't play defensively sound at all, they don't show up to play when they don't feel like it and they all need guys like Johnson, Hyman and Tavares on their lines to fight for the puck because they are completely unwilling to do so.
5.) 24 Oct 2019 14:04:14
LeafsLife I agree completely because Marner, Nylander and Matthews are over-payed butts. They should only be payed that much if they have the ability to win the leafs the cup and play solid defense and outstanding offense. A player should only be payed that much if they're like Sidney Crosby or Martin Brodeur, They carried their teams to win the stanley cup. They need to play like Tavares to be payed that much.
6.) 24 Oct 2019 16:28:15
I think it’s outrageous that gm’s are caving to these kids demands right after ELC is finished. If these kids want the big bucks, they need to prove they aren’t just a “flash in the panâ€. They should be signing bridge deals. All these huge contracts are creating a massive imbalance in salaries, where the top 10% are sucking up 80% of the entire payroll, and the rest of the league gets peanuts. This is causing the loss of “middle-income†hockey players. It’s not fair to the “average†middle six player that pots 40 points that he gets paid slightly more than a bottom line player, whereas the top line guys get bank. A bottom line player gets league minimal (LM) . They generally get about a dozen points. A middle six guy who gets 50 points (30 more than the bottom line guy) should get LM+x. A top six player who gets 80 points (60 more than bottom line) should get LM+2x. And a top line player that gets 110 points should get LM+3x. Makes sense yes. But instead, we have a huge slew towards the upper end salaries, where they get all the extra income, and the rest of the team gets the leftovers. That must create resentment of some sort. And it unbalances teams.
7.) 24 Oct 2019 18:27:47
@LeafsGm you would hard pressed to find any RFA from this class that was over paid the same way ours were. Dubas is the only chump around. Tkachuk, Rantanen, Binnington, etc. So many names got value deals on bridge deals. Just not Dubas players. He caved to them all. If he didn't want to trade Nylander he should have traded Marner. Not so much because they suck but because most GM's at a certain point say "listen this is what ya get. Take it or get traded" traded Nylander would have scared Marner. Trading Marner would have set a precedent that Mathews and Tavares are the only ones getting that kind of money. Something got to give soon.
8.) 24 Oct 2019 19:47:26
It wasn’t a good signing for sure. We all know he’s a great player. But he should have been willing to take a more appropriate salary instead of asking for top 5 players in the league salary money. You’re absolutely correct @LeafsLife. Dubas overlaid in all three of them. And the result hasn’t been too impressive yet. But further compounding Dubas’ error is Babcock’s coaching. He isn’t developing them to play a proper two way game. I get that scoring goals is fun, helps the team get, makes everyone happy and excited. But the aim is to win a cup. Defebsive strategies have come a long way since the 80’s. Systems are better, goalies are better and have better equipment, and forwards are almost even among the contending teams. We can’t hope to outscore our opponents every night. We need to tighten up. Our top guys numbers are inflated because they don’t play a two way game. If Babcock tightened up defensively, Marner and Matthews and Nylander wouldn’t have gotten huge point seasons and we wouldn’t have had to overpay them. It is what it is. A top two way player is more valuable to a team than a one-dimensional player. But the guys with the big points get the big bucks. Always.
9.) 24 Oct 2019 22:33:40
I'm not sure how much I blame Babcock for the poor development. 2 way play tends to start later into your NHL career for a lot of guys. Obviously there are exceptions that I won't go into *cough* Barkov. At this point they don't even look interested in trying to chase the puck in their own zone. This is the worst defensive showing I have ever seen and that's from a life long leafs fan lol.
Looks to me a lot like a bunch of young guys that know the coach will be gone before they are. Mathews and company have always been bad defensively but at least I could see some effort. This looks like a group of guys that just don't care anymore. The biggest surprise so far for me has been Reilly. I always liked Hainsey and thought he was undervalued by most fans now we are seeing Reilly flounder in his own zone can anyone tell me with certainty it isn't the lack of Hainsey?
Alot of what is happening could also be a leadership thing. Tavares is a great and a great leader but he hasn't been around like Hainsey for the defense corps or Marleau for Mathews and Marner. Could be some adjustments have to be made without the leadership they had previously.
11 Aug 2019 22:07:00
Hey everyone. No idea what's been posted before so let's give this a shot
Read an article some time ago saying that Marner should be sent to Carolina. Trade is / was as follows:
Marner to Carolina.
Teravainen / bean / prospect or pick to Toronto
Now I like Marner but can't help think this would make sense (FYI I couldn't care less about Carolina cap situation whatever it is. They can figure their own cap out):
For me it's about defence. If they resign Gardiner on a prove it contract ($5m tops) and get rid of Ceci they have a top 5 that costs somewhere around $18m. Now I know there are a lot of haters but bottom line is his metrics are good.
Teravainen is a pass first player as well so he may mesh well with tavares. Contract isn't that bad for the next few years either
Defence wise no idea how they could afford all moving forward and I honestly don't know bean as well as I should but info remember GE was highly thought of. If u can't get Dermott , Liljegren , sandin and bean as 4 of your d moving forward after next year, we get a few years of low cost. I'm not convinced Reilly will be affordable on a new contract but with the young bodies, potential exists to potentially sign free agents to play with the kids.
Full analysis would be a book but a thought
1.) 12 Aug 2019 01:09:41
Not a bad first post I think the leafs should trade marner the only problem is that I don’t think any team will touch him I read an article don’t know if it was true but apparently the islanders offered him a 7 year 13 mil contract and they said no they wanted a 5 year deal at the same contract I mean marner and his camp are really making themselves look bad so for that reason I don’t think he will be traded or offer sheeted I could see this going into the season.
2.) 12 Aug 2019 02:00:42
Skill for skill this is a solid trade.
Marner skill wise and importance in all aspects to the game would make this deal very respectable.
The bad news is marners contract demands bring his value down quite a bit. If he accepted say 6-8 years at 8-9 million then he would be one of the most sought after players in the game and would get a kings ransom for him.
Unfortunetly, marner wants 3-4 years for 11-12 million. This kind of demand brings his value down to the point that people have resorted to arguing over his value
If marner was on any other team, their teams fans would demand a king ransom for him also. Its just how it goes.
In closing you have a good deal here if contract demands were not in play. Thanks for your contribution.
3.) 12 Aug 2019 03:17:42
I read the same article and I don't personally see it happening. Teravainen is on par with Marner in just about every way and if not, then close enough that doesn't matter much. To add in Bean and a first (I believe that's what the article suggested) or a top prospect would be the perfect return for the leafs but I think Carolina would be insane to take the deal.
4.) 12 Aug 2019 09:22:48
Yeah. This one has been posted a lot. Every variation imaginable. Lol. But obviously you States at the beginning you had no idea. I think you will find most guys on here are favourable to this trade. The basis of it is good. We are trading from position of strength (RW) to address position of weakness (LW) . Teravainen is next tier lower than Marner, hence Carolina adds. The hope is that Teravainen basically replaces Marner’s output on an offensive powerhouse like the Leafs (very possible), but on a much better team friendly contract (which is why Carolina keeps him and doesn’t take Marner) .
Basically, virtually everyone on here likes the underlying premise of Marner for Teravainen+. Just arguing over what the + should be and whether the notoriously cheap owners of the Hurricanes would make this deal.
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26 Jan 2020 23:37:09
I would like this one explained if possible. Now there are a few assumptions but here goes:
Leafs are apparently trying to sign muzzin. Let's assume they can. Reilly, muzzin and sandin assuming he sticks would be your left side.
Let's assume Liljegren isn't traded. He is third pairing next year. Assuming they want to keep holl and play him with muzzin, that leaves top pair right side open.
Here is my question: I've read more than once how we need to keep Dermott but does everyone see him as top pair material? I don't see it
Now if all the above plays out, doesn't anyone else see Dermott being sent out as part of a larger trade perhaps?
1.) 27 Jan 2020 07:06:51
Yes I do. If Muzzin signs a deal. That's a big toss up though. Who knows what money or term he wants? Dubas can't just give him the world like he usually does.
I'm not entirely convinced by Liljigren. I'm sure it's one of them or even Holl that gets traded. If I was Dubas I would ship out Lili before Dermott if I had any sense that he could play right side.
2.) 27 Jan 2020 11:10:34
I think with Liljegren it’s hard to say he hasn’t got the chances he’s needed to actually see what we got so idk if he makes the team I’d say at this point we are better off moving him in a trade to bring back a good player that we could use now as for Dermott I’ve been saying all year if the leaf keep him he should be on the right side. And Holl they will keep just cause he’s an easy target for Seattle I think that was the thinking when they signed him the leafs will have the money to craft a new blue line pretty much now it’s up to Dubas if he gets it right he looks great if not I think he will be sent packing.
3.) 27 Jan 2020 19:50:04
If this is a non playoff year I can't imagine him having another chance.
4.) 28 Jan 2020 01:26:12
If Leafs miss the playoffs I wouldn’t be surprised if Dubas gets axed as well. He made a few big screwups: failing to address the backup goalie issue, the Kadri trade, trading down at the draft so we didn’t draft Konecny, the Ceci signing, failure to bring in a big bodied defenseman, letting all our UFA’s walk for free instead of trading them for assets, running a team of small skilled guys without accounting for defense, not firing Babcock earlier. Ok. It’s a long list of things actually. And that’s why I agree with @LeafsLife: if Leafs don’t make the playoffs, I would be surprised if Dubas keeps his job.
10 Jan 2020 21:41:06
Mcdavid for Matthews.
Before u all have a cow, I posted that to get on this chat for a different discussion. Interested in input. So here goes.
I don't believe they will trade any of Matthews, Marner, tavares or Nylander. Give or take 40.5. I couldn't care less about the 4th line as replaceable. Guessing 2.5. Andersen 5. Reilly 5. Kessel 1.3. 54.3 total. With a ton of positions to fill. So let's see:
Left side u have Hyman, Johnsson, mikeyev, engvall and Kerfoot (I don't like him at centre) . One goes I think. And based on salary my guess is Kerfoot or Johnsson. Budget based.
Right side. Two spots filled. Can Moore play third line? I don't know but I think so. So Kapanen is potentially moved. Again budget.
If I assume Kerfoot and Kapanen, roughly 7.5 more added to costs. Call it 62m
This year, muzzin, dermott, holl barrie add another 9 roughly (and by all means come up with exact) . 71m
Trade ceci and bracco to entice someone to take ceci.
Trade Kerfoot and/ or Kapanen and/ or Johnsson for a top notch defender and see if we can grab the rangers young goalie within the confines of any deal (s)
Question is which defender
In 2020:
Matthews-Marner-Hyman
Tavares-Nylander-mikeyev
Engvall-spezza or equivalent - Moore
Fourth line
Reilly - 2019 trade
Muzzin resign - holl
Sandin - Liljegren
Andersen
Georgiev
71m plus new defence partner for Reilly and room to maneuver. One of the three forwards I suggested trading will stay as well and move on to a line but I'm all the way down here and too tired to go back and change. Add another $3m roughly so at $74.
Then sit back, evaluate and add.
1.) 11 Jan 2020 00:39:00
It depends is you want that legit top rhd you will have to move kapanen I agree with resigning Muzzin I like his style and he’s a hard competitor also the only reason why I can see the leafs getting stuck is what do they do with Dermott Sandin and Liljegren Dermott played well last game but I don’t think he’s a good enough defensively yet so my thought would be package Lilegren with kappy to get you that top rhd and move Dermott to the right side
Reilly new guy
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Dermott
The trick with resigning Muzzin will be term I don’t think he wants to leave and I don’t think he will command big dollars but the leafs can’t afford to sign him to anything past 3 years.
2.) 11 Jan 2020 08:44:46
None come back.
Reilly Holl
Sandin Lili
Dermott?
Not in that order. That's what I can almost guarantee next year looks like. If Sandin and Dermott are good enough on the left side after a few years Reilly will be gone too.
3.) 11 Jan 2020 14:14:13
I don’t think they want to take a step back they will want to either add or bring back Muzzin ceci won’t be back nor will Barrie too expensive I mean Sandin did look good when he was up but Liljegren is yet to play and nhl game hard to say if he will make the team or not ahl to nhl is a lot different.
4.) 11 Jan 2020 19:21:53
Adding a new defenceman is the? As I agree someone will be added. Lili and Sandin being on ELC give the flexibility to add by saving Muzzin, Ceci and Barrie salary though.
If I were a betting man these days, I would say Barrie is signed long term. He is a Dubas dream player.
5.) 11 Jan 2020 23:50:30
I would absolutely be devestated if we don’t RW-sign Reilly. i'd rather have Reilly than Nylander. We can’t let him go. I’d also rather have Barrie come back than Muzzin. We can afford him. I’d rather have Barrie than Kapanen on the team. If we move Kerfoot to LW permanently (he’s looking good there after all), then we can trade Johnsson too.
Mikheyev/ Matthews/ Marner (3M line)
Kerfoot/ Tavares/ Nylander
Moore/ (Spezza) / Timashov
Engvall/ Gauthier/ Marchment
Reilly/ Barrie
Dermott/ Holl
Sandin/ Liljegren
Something like that. Though I don’t think we have to trade both Kapanen and Johnsson to make this work for next year. After next year though it would be tricky.
30 Aug 2019 17:43:12
OK tried this once. This time properly worded
Hyman / Kapanen / ceci for mcdavid.
As said this is a silly trade. Not serious. I simply wanted to be here not on the talk side.
Now to the point: I was trying to say I believe these three could be traded
Kapanen because unless he plays lw more likely than Johnsson
Hyman because I don't see him fitting the dubas mold.
Ceci simply for more cap room
Let me be clear. Not advocating the trade of these guys. Simply saying its possible
In saying that what might they do? Sign Gardiner? No idea. Move mikeyev into humans spot? No idea. Move one or more of the d kids up? No idea. Sign a more "senior" d man? No idea
What I wanted was a discussion. Any of this likely? Because if u say no then post another Mathew's trade I call bs.
1.) 30 Aug 2019 21:14:41
No EDM would not take that for Mcdavid lol. That's said, to your other points if you wanted to just talk about them getting traded you should have just left the whole top part of that out. When most people see some utter nonsense like that they tend to kind of just time out whatever else you have to say.
I agree Kappy may be moved and is more likely than Johnson because he is going to be a third line winger this time around. That will definitely lower his point and goal total unless he takes a massive step forward.
Hyman fits the Babcock mold if not Dubas lol as long as Babcock is coach I do not Hyman being moved. Even Dubas has to realize what Hyman brings that the others on the team do not as they are unwilling to do the things he is. I also don't see getting great value out of him right now in a trade. He scored 20 goals with Marner and Tavares all year long while most of them were empty netters. Not someone that would next an amazing return and he plays a spot of weakness on the leafs. If he was a RW he would probably already be gone.
Ceci is going no where unless it's in a big trade. He is on a one year deal at 4.5 and looks like a huge bust. What would a team possibly pay for that? A 7th? You pay them a 3rd? His value is nil right now unless he proves something in the first couple of months. I think Dubas has a plan here for next season. Muzzin, Ceci and Barrie all come off the books next year if not resigned. That is over 10M in cap space as of next season even if Marner is signed. If someone like Kapanen is then moved it's around 13m with Dermott, Reilly (our captain! ), Sandin and liljigren as defenceman on the team (assuming both are ready. Could Dubas be preparing an offer for a guy like pieterangalo in the future? Hard to say but he could be. He will have the space soon if he decides to. Check out a list of the D coming available in 2020. Pieterangalo, Josi, Krug, Faulk (I don't think he signed yet? ) a lot of options to upgrade after this year's all rental D corps walks away.
2.) 30 Aug 2019 23:38:44
All valid points thank you. The truth is I see a lot of really negative and angry comments on here and I wanted to see if anyone wants to just talk about hockey
Interesting thought RE next year and I was on that bus too. This whole Gardiner situation makes me think something is up. But maybe too many articles have brainwashed me.
3.) 31 Aug 2019 07:02:37
I think Gardiner is gone unless he takes a massive discount on a prove contract just to play 3rd pairing minutes lol. So many sports writers have nothing to say right now so they talking nonsense I just ignore most of that BS.
Lol most people don't post just angry negative comments just a few people. Just take the good with the bad and don't get butt hurt about it.
4.) 31 Aug 2019 20:21:56
Thanks for the advice. Just want to throw ideas out there and see what people think.
5.) 01 Sep 2019 02:06:43
Yeah I know lol but couple trolls around.
22 Jan 2020 18:07:17
He has one more game before he burns a year. Until that happens its still possible to send him back.
12 Jan 2020 22:30:26
I've read your responses many times. Don't recall too many intelligent responses. So I shall ignore them moving forward. As I'm sure most do.
12 Jan 2020 14:50:40
Finally I read something about Reilly leaving. Assuming that's the case, when do u trade him. For that matter, Andersen is likely in same boat.
12 Jan 2020 02:18:39
Leafs can spend $20m on defence unless they change the team substantially.
Reilly, Pesce, muzzin, holl, sandin and Liljegren in that range. One of Liljegren or Dermott will go
We shall see i guess.
11 Jan 2020 21:09:40
Having responded once to redwings comment, I will respond a second time and ask others. Would u keep Dermott and trade Liljegren and Kapanen for Pesce?
For me, Dermott will be looking for a nice pay day, say $3m. But if Pesce arrives he is on third pairing. Which economically speaking makes no sense to me. So a question.
What other defenceman who makes $5m or less, would u trade for and give up Kapanen and Dermott in return. Who fits.
31 Aug 2019 20:21:56
Thanks for the advice. Just want to throw ideas out there and see what people think.
30 Aug 2019 23:38:44
All valid points thank you. The truth is I see a lot of really negative and angry comments on here and I wanted to see if anyone wants to just talk about hockey
Interesting thought RE next year and I was on that bus too. This whole Gardiner situation makes me think something is up. But maybe too many articles have brainwashed me.