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24 Aug 2019 19:28:04
Leafs
Kapanen
2020 3rd

Canes
Pesce
2020 4th

Leafs
Bracco
Timashov
Scott
2022 1st
2021 2nd

Ducks
Ritchie
Silfverberg
2020 5th

Leafs
Ceci cap dump

Any team
4th

Lineup next year
Johnson Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Ritchie Kerfoot Silfverberg
Moore Spezza Petan

Riley Pesce
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Schmatz/ Lillegreen/ Harpur

Thoughts

1.) 24 Aug 2019 20:03:21
Pesce is going to cost more probably nylander liljgren 1st or 2nd. But he would be an amazing pairing with reilly.

2.) 24 Aug 2019 20:40:08
Posting the kappy for Pesce trade again are we?

3.) 24 Aug 2019 20:56:21
Pesce isn't worth Nylander. this year Pesce value will drop as Faulk and Hamilton get the big minutes. Pesce is good but he is comparable to Montour

The value for montour
Almost nhl D and a 1st

So Lilijegren and a 1st might actually do it. Unfortunetly carolina loves the Kapanen name so the original deal posted by hocket123 might be close

The ducks if they want a full rebuild i see doing this. Silfverberg would be an awesome addition not only is he a top defending forward he can also net you some goals when needed. the problem i have is giving up on Scott. Last time leafs just gave up a goalie before his development was over they payed for it in rask. I say lose ritchie and scott and i like this deal

However, unless that ceci deal.

4.) 24 Aug 2019 21:27:59
Redwing1

Pesce is not worth Nylander an A prospect and a first. That's a big over payment. Carolina is in love with kappy the convo will start with him. Could be something like what was posted above. If not, then maybe kappy and a 2nd.

5.) 25 Aug 2019 01:50:00
If kappy and a second gets you pesce then that trade would be done already
It’s not done because the canes say no way no how

Kappy liljegren 1st for pesce.

6.) 25 Aug 2019 01:58:32
The perceived value of top 4 RHD is getting ridiculous. First Jones is worth more than Marner, which is already debateable enough, and now Pesce, a 3rd line player in Carolina, and who would be our second best RHD after Barrie, is worth Nylander++? I would rather put skates on my cat and play her than trade o much for Pesce, who isn’t even top 50 defenseman in the league.

7.) 25 Aug 2019 04:21:54
A . Freakin Man. LeafsGM. you said it best

This D value is getting rediculous. winning cups is fun but making money and getting tv deals to owners outweighs getting a solid defensive boring dman any day

Just saying.

8.) 25 Aug 2019 10:25:48
We agree there LeafsGm lol only way I see a Nylander for Pesce trade as good value is one for one not all that thrown in. Only thing I can see that adds value to Pesce is his contract. It is definitely team friendly and the leafs don't have many of those.

@MPH

What makes Pesce worth Kappy a good prospect AND a first. Even if it was Kappy and a 1st OR prospect I get it. But both? Seems like a lot for a guy that plays top 4.

9.) 25 Aug 2019 13:09:01
Well leafs life Apparently you don’t read well. If it was only kappy and a first or kappy and a prospect it would be a done deal already

I can write this in another language if that helps you?

10.) 25 Aug 2019 13:41:52
If D were worth watching than the cap would of went up. instead a boring team with 2 apparent stud defencemen win the cup and guess what? The cap, that before the playoffs started projected to be 85M, went to only 81.5M.

Defensive Defencemen don't equate to viewership.

22 Aug 2019 22:21:08
I know everyone is tired of hearing about Ritchie and Pesce but both players make a lot of sense for the leafs. Pesce is a solid rhd with a good defensive game and some offensive upside and Ritchie is basically adding another Hyman. But we only make this trade once Dermott returns and hopefully Lillegreen will be nhl ready. So

Leafs
Bracco
2020 3rd

Ducks
Ritchie

Leafs
Ceci
Timashov
Holl
2021 1st

Canes
Pesce

Lineup next year once healthy
Ritchie Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kerfoot Kapanen
Moore Spezza Petan

Riley Pesce
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Lillegreen

Andersen
Hutch

Cap stays pretty much the same as Pesce and Ceci basically have the same contract and all of our prospects who have entry level deals are pretty much equal to Ritchie's contract as he is only making 1.5 for the next 4 years I believe

Thoughts

1.) 23 Aug 2019 00:05:58
I like your thought on these deals. I wouldn't mind ritchie and its plausible bracco and a 3rd could get him from an aniheim team that wants more speec. The problem with this deal is the cap hit of ritchie. I don't know the specific number on ritchie but i'm sure its between 1.8-2.2.bracco isn't a roster player so basically youd have to remove one of the 2 way guys making minimum to add his cap hit so regardless your adding million and a bit to a cap that is already maxed out. its a good thought though

The pesce deal, whether anyone believes its of good value or not, just can't happen unless the league allows the stipulation on marleau deal gets waived. i'm sure they would as it just means carolina gets torontos 1st round picks next 2 years. However, if the league won't let that stip drop than this deal can't happen just yet.

I like your thinking though.

2.) 23 Aug 2019 00:09:02
It’s ok to post the Pesce trades. But my gosh what the poop are you sending the canes.

3.) 23 Aug 2019 00:59:05
I don't think we can get Pesce for a cap dump in Ceci and a first along with a pile of crap. Going to probably need a better player in there.

Ritchie I don't mind I just really don't see the point and would rather keep bracco lol.

4.) 23 Aug 2019 03:08:08
I think you could get pesce for the following

Nylander 2nd sandin

Or

Nylander 1st liljgren with a small add from car.

5.) 23 Aug 2019 04:00:29
@Craigger

Losing the protection on the first leads me to believe in the first game Nylander, Marner, AM, JT, and Freddy will all end up with season ending injuries haha.

6.) 23 Aug 2019 16:23:44
Lmao Pesce is not worth Nylander a 2nd and Sandin and especially not Lili Nylander and a first. That would be an overpayment for the ages.

@redwing1 as leaf fans we all tend to over valued our guys a bit but you seem to want to undervalue them all and make it seem like Nylander worth a bag of pucks. The trade I see as possible for Pesce would be more like

Kapanen 2nd Hollowell for Pesce.

Unless your assuming noone wants Nylander because of a down year which I seriously doubt.

21 Aug 2019 23:17:38
I'm so dumb on my last post I thought we could get Alex Nylander but I completely forgot he went to Chicago. So new trades
Leafs get
Montour

Sabers get
Timashov
2021 1st

Leafs get
Nylander
2020 1st

Hawks get
Lillegreen
2020 4th

Leafs
Timashov
2021 2nd
2020 3rd

Ducks
Ritchie

New lineup
Nylander Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kerfoot Kapanen
Ritchie Spezza Moore

Riley Montour
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Ceci

1.) 21 Aug 2019 23:33:55
I don't think timashev is a good enough prospect for buffalo to be intrigued. It took Buffalo brandon guhle, who is now a roster player on aniheim, to get Montour. Unfortunetly, Buffalo will want something at least of Guhle value back. I also think Buffalo will try to deal one of their other RHD before dealing Montour.

Speaking of RHD, Chicago gave up a pretty good one for Alex Nylander. My point in saying this is would they now deal him, without seeing him play with their organization, for yet another RHD?

Both deals could happen but i just can't see buffalo or chicago doing so.

2.) 21 Aug 2019 23:52:36
You traded Timashov twice.

3.) 22 Aug 2019 00:12:24
Lol you didn’t do much better here no offence.

4.) 22 Aug 2019 01:27:03
Chicago traded a RHD prospect away in order to get Nylander. They obviously feel they don’t need anyone right now for that position. I have a hard time thinking they now turn around and trade Nylander for another RHD prospect player.

21 Aug 2019 14:33:57
Leafs get
Montour
Nylander
2021 1st

Sabers get
Timashov
Brooks
Lillegreen
2021 2nd

Lineup next year
Nylander Matthews Nylander
Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnson Kerfoot Kapanen
Moore Spezza Petan

Riley Montour
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Ceci

Thoughts?

1.) 21 Aug 2019 15:05:39
alex nylander was traded to chicago at start of summer

even if he wasnt dealt this deal would be in favor of the Leafs by quite a bit. However, since he is in chicago no point discussing it.

2.) 21 Aug 2019 16:16:05
This is great. We would be getting Montour and Nylander for less than buffalo paid for Montour alone. If Buffalo would agree to this deal but throw in a different prospect instead of Nylander, the. I guess it would be a pretty big steal for the Leafs.

3.) 21 Aug 2019 17:40:25
Nylander is a Blackhawk now.

19 Aug 2019 14:32:14
This season I believe the offence will once again have to carry this team. But is the defence I'm really concerned about. Assuming Ceci plays on the bottom pair this is what our defence looks like going into the season.
Riley
Muzzin Barrie
Ceci
This leaves two open spots now obviously Dermott will take that 5th spot once he returns but there are two questions who fills in the spots until Dermott returns and who plays with Morgan Riley throughout the year.

Leafs
Timashov
2021 1st

Buffalo
Montour

Then when Dermott comes back this is what our defence looks like.
Riley montour
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Ceci
*sandin/Lillegreen
Schmaltz/Harpur

So now our top 6 is pretty good and I do think that montour will be a good partner for Riley and someone like sandin and Schmatz could fill the 5th role until Dermott comes back.
Thoughts

1.) 19 Aug 2019 15:43:36
Timashev and a 1st just isn't enough to get a player like Montour

I mean it took Brandon Guhle and st. louis 1st to get Montour just 6 months ago. Guhle is a much better and younger prospect than Timashev

Its a good target however, its going to take just a tad more than the offer to lure Montour away from a division rival.

2.) 19 Aug 2019 15:50:06
Montour is another player who is not strong in his own end we have enough offensive dman we need a rugged stay at home guy I kinda wish the leafs would of picked up a guy like mcquaid before they traded for Schmaltz.

3.) 19 Aug 2019 17:44:24
I agree with Craigger here. Very accurate assessment. Montour is a fine defenseman who was playing top line in Anaheim whenever Manson was hurt. I’m very jealous Buffalo got him. And for a price I think we could have matched.

Given Anaheim and Toronto’s many friendly deals in recent past few years, I can’t help but think Anaheim approached Toronto first for a Montour trade and Toronto said no.

4.) 19 Aug 2019 18:23:55
Although I like Montour, he is not a top pairing guy. Top 4 sure, but he is not as good as Barrie. I would not trade a future 1st for him.

5.) 19 Aug 2019 18:37:12
Add a bit more to get Montour especially because you want to give a 1st that they can't use for 2 years.

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16 Aug 2019 03:30:26
I really think that Nylander will have a great year assuming he plays maybe 78 games or more with Matthews. I actually think he could be almost as good as Marner. I mean looking at what Tavares does to his linenates it's no surprise Marners stats improved. I feel like Matthews it healthy could win the art ross trophy and having Nylander will only benefit him. Playing with mostly Marleau, Johnson, Kapanen he averaged over a point per game and with Nylander I feel he could have a 100 point season and maybe more. When Marner signs these are my projected lineups to start the year.

Mikheyev Matthews Nylander
Johnson Tavares Marner
Moore Kerfoot Kappanen
Gauthier Spezza Petan

Riley Ceci
Muzzin Barrie
Sandin Lillegreen/ Harpur/ Schmatz

Andersen
Hutch

1.) 17 Aug 2019 23:01:03
I agree Nylander will bounce back very well and Mathews if healthy can compete for art Ross and Maurice Richard trophy easily especially if Mikheyev is as good as people say he is. I have said many times now that Nylander can equal Marner if given same opportunities which he may get with Kadri no longer on the first PP. I'm assuming if Barry isn't PP one it will be Tavares, Mathews, Marner, Nylander, Reilly.

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