10 Apr 2024 02:16:29
To San Jose: Robertson, 2024 - 1st round pick

To Leafs: Ferraro, 2024 - 2nd round pick (via NJ)

San Jose gets a young guy with obvious goal scoring ability for their rebuild and exchanges their mid 2nd round pick for a 20 - 25 1st round pick.

Leaf get a tough 2nd pairing defenseman and with the terrific job Leafs scouting staff has been doing a valuable, mid, 2nd round pick.

2024 25 defense

Reilly ($7.5) - Matt Roy ($5.5)
Ferraro ($3.25) - McCabe ($2)
Edmundson ($2.5) - Liljegren ($3.25)
Giordano ($800,000) - Timmins ($1.1)

Edmunson could be replaced by a younger, cheaper, similar player.
Giordano certainly seems to have enough left in the tank to be a spot, #7/#8 defenseman

10 Apr 2024 02:59:32
Like your post but Llyigren has to go! He is a Useless scared idiot.

10 Apr 2024 03:35:18
Where's Benoit just curious ?

10 Apr 2024 11:28:29
Robertson and a 1st for Ferraro is crazy Robertsons value just keeps climbing.

10 Apr 2024 12:48:54
I don't mind Ferraro, but I am not as sold on him as some are. And then Liljegren at $3.25M for a 3rd pair D. Why?

In all fairness to trades posted on here though, if this was anyone else suggesting this trade you be saying - Seriously, Ferarro is a -35 and you want to trade Robertson and a 1st for him. Ridiculous!

10 Apr 2024 13:49:29
@RLF touche, -35.
I do like Ferraro, but this is too much for him.

10 Apr 2024 14:05:57
Tags. Yes, along with last year a -31 and a career -92 would likely also have been brought up.

10 Apr 2024 22:27:59
@Tags/ RLF I'm not sure it is too much depending where the pick falls.

NJ will have a good second round pick, Leafs a late 1st. So it's essentially moving back 15 spots+Robertson for Ferraro.

11 Apr 2024 03:10:19
RLF

I use $3.25 as a guideline for Liljegren’s next contract solely based on the $4.6M the Washington Capitals paid Rasmus Sandin, whom I don’t see as being particularly better than Liljegren.
It would only cost a team like the Blackhawks a 2nd round pick to present an offer sheet to Liljegren (RFA) for up to $4.2M
I would see Liljegren more in the $2.75 x 2 year range myself but I do not think he will agree to take little more than half of what his chum received.

11 Apr 2024 03:13:35
I think it is very difficult to judge a defenseman by plus/ minus on a team that is as terrible as San Jose. Who at one point this season we’re getting 10 goals a game scored against them.

Similar to judging Peeke when he was playing for Columbus.
I think, on a good team with a partner like McCabe, Ferraro is probably a plus player.

11 Apr 2024 03:17:09
When I put Edmundson’s name in there I knew I was missing someone but I was having a seniors moment and drawing a blank.
As noted by my comment about replacing Edmundson with a younger/ cheaper version.
I would keep Benoit and let Edmundson walk in my opinion.

11 Apr 2024 12:23:36
Waterbuffalo

Can't really compare Lily and Sandin. Sandin has being playing top pair since he went to Washington and was ahead of Lily in Toronto as well. Not that my opinion matters that much, but I always had him ranked above Lily. Sandin got his money based on playing top pair and establishing himself as a top 4 NHL D-man. Lily hasn't established himself as anything more than a bottom pair D. I wouldn't offer him any more than around $2M per.

As for +/ -. Have you forgotten that it was you who always talked about Peeke's -41 and saying he was horrible because of it. You constantly judge D-men based off +/ -. Are you now saying that you shouldn't and realize this?

LL- I don't think the prop is horrible. My comment was more based the irony of who posted it based on their stance of defenceman with bad +/ - numbers. I don't mind Ferraro, I'm just not sure he translates to a game changing top 4 on a good team like he seems to be made out to be.