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13 Mar 2024 13:41:15
Offseason move maybe the draft

Tor: Robertson +
Cbj: jiricek

I obviously know it would take more then Robertson but both players have called out their teams this year and are unhappy could be a trade that works for both sides idk what the leafs would have to add but jiricek is a big physical presence could be a bottom pair guy next year


1.) 13 Mar 2024 14:13:53
I love it!
I could only wish the Leafs would be able to pull off a deal like this.
Come on Tre, make it happen.

2.) 13 Mar 2024 15:09:34
Who knows. Columbus is stacked on D. I think it would be a big+ though as Jiricek is a former 6th overall pick and only 20. Would Robertson and Minten do it? And would the Leafs if that's what it took.

3.) 13 Mar 2024 16:20:46
RLF if you think it only takes Robertson plus Minten, then I would do that all day long.
When's the last time the Leafs had a young ELC 6OA RHD? I don't even know if we've ever had one.

4.) 13 Mar 2024 17:19:52
Would be lovely for sure but I think it’s Robertson, Minten and a 1st or maybe Niemela with a 3rd?

5.) 13 Mar 2024 17:45:31
Agreed Clarky it would definitely be more than just Robertson & Minten.
Leafs just signed McMann at $1.35M/ 2yrs, great deal Tre.

6.) 13 Mar 2024 17:50:24
I should be a GM lol
Had written below my signing and i had McMann signing at $1.4M/ 2yrs, not off by much lol.

7.) 13 Mar 2024 21:15:10
Oh Tagsy! You gonna use these small decisions as wins for Tre? I’m sorry but he has sucked so far. You guys keep bringing all these small little things he does, like other GMs wouldn’t have put $100,000 signing bonus on Jones. He has made many more worse decisions than good. You keep trying to promote him but I don’t see it. Doesn’t outweigh all tue bad.

8.) 13 Mar 2024 22:57:43
Clarky I guess we disagree on Tre.
He was hired in June with little, to no time to assess the team from within. The fact that most his signings were one year deals was a smart way to go about business buying himself time to assess the team from within and not anchoring himself to a huge contract.
I think Bertuzzi was one of the most sought after UFA's last summer and Tre was able to sign him on a 1 year deal. Granted he hasn't lived up to expectations ATM but he was signed for the playoffs. Let's see how his season plays out after the playoffs are complete.
Domi, again on a 1 year deal, is coming around as of late and looks to be a good signing. He competes hard and sticks up for his teammates, bringing some 'snot' as Tre says.
Benoit, great depth signing.
Reaves contract is looking much better as the season moves on. He got lots of toughness with Reaves. The twam is no longer a pushover and im sure other teams gave taken notice.
Brought Samsonov to arb and signed him only for 1 year.
Klingberg is the one signing that hasn't panned out, but aga8n I could see what he was trying to do with regards to more scoring from the back end. In the end, the contract didn't hurt us as much as it could have.
The worst signing he did was Kampf IMO, $2.4M/ 4yrs and I honestly believe this signing was done because Keefe was in his ear to sign Kampf.
Let's see what Tre does this summer. He's known for building teams from the net out, so I'm looking forward for his vision to start materializing.

9.) 13 Mar 2024 23:21:37
Well said Tags. Everything I have been saying as well. Hard to say he overpaid at the deadline either. The McMann signing is just another look into how he wants to build a team around the core. Size, effort, can skate and some snot with the ability to put the puck in the net. I'm good with that.

10.) 13 Mar 2024 23:23:14
Sorry, but also got Matthews & Nylander both signed to extentions.
I know you don't like Nylander's AAV as we all don't, but obviously the Core is meant to stay together which is something that comes from Shanny IMO. It is what it is at this point. The team will still be tight against the cap next year, but I think the year after should be promising.

11.) 14 Mar 2024 03:00:57
I love how we all just took the term "snot" and ran with it lol.

12.) 14 Mar 2024 05:01:18
LL. Lol. Yea, I meant to put it in quotes. I admit. I love it. I know exactly what it is meant to mean. I think its a great way to say it.



12 Mar 2024 10:19:52
Apparently the leafs came close to acquiring trenin at the deadline he went for a 2025 3rd and a prospect my guess Toronto was offering the 2026 4th and the prospect but it is to me pretty clear that Brad values size I'd watch for this player in free agency for the leafs


1.) 12 Mar 2024 12:02:19
Not surprising Treliving would have asked about him and made a pitch. Would love to see him as a Leaf, for a reasonable cost of course.

2.) 13 Mar 2024 01:50:21
A 3rd round pick and a prospect seemed very reasonable.
Too bad Treliving didn’t have a 3rd round pick any more.

3.) 13 Mar 2024 12:00:27
The Original 2024 3rd was traded by Dubas to get Gio. Tree traded the 3rd recovered from the Engvall deal to get Edmundson in prioritizing getting D-men which everyone has said all year was the priority. The 2025 3rd was used to get Lyubushkin at 50% retained. Since the Leafs would have needed 50% retention on Trenin, the 3rd wouldn't have done it. What is too bad for Tree is that he had no 2nds until 2027 because Dubas traded them all. Had Tree had a 2nd to use, he probably could have got Trenin with 50% retained as Nashville still had one retention spot left.



07 Mar 2024 15:29:20
Toronto get edmudson for the 3rd this year and a 5th honestly I like the move more than most good playoff defender when facing Boston.

Fun fact edmudson was Morgan Reillys d partner with the Moose Jaw warriors


1.) 07 Mar 2024 15:55:49
I had just posted on the talk side that you called it dead on. Well done.

2.) 07 Mar 2024 17:24:48
Very Cool tidbit of information.

3.) 07 Mar 2024 21:28:59
Sorry to burst your bubble but both Rielly drafted 2nd overall in 09 and edmundston 121st overall in 08 were both rookies 2010-11 season for Moose Jaw so they were out with vets
Rielly Mciirath
Edmundston bowman

Bowman was traded for in 2010 sumner specifically to captain Moose Jaw and help out with one of there 2 young Dmen

2011-12 they started year with same pairings and had a few Dmen step up and after losing 3 of there top forwards from year ago lacked scoring depth so 7 games in knowing there d group was strong they dealt bowman to Calgary for a couple of forwards and put Travis brown as edmundston keeping Rielly with mciirath. Rielly got hurt 18 games in for remainder of year and edmundston replaced him having brown end up playing with any of Earnhardt, McFaul or Gwinner depending on which of 3 best were playing. Rielly was placed with brown upon return in playoffs and thst combo did well

2012-13 mciirath was gone and Rielly brown stuck as a tandem for year. This pairing played 27 minutes a game leaving little ice time so knowing he needs more minutes Edmundston got dealt 29 games in to Kamloops for a halbegwachs, dman Bell and a 1st. He then got most dedicated player award for not complain g and just showing his leadership in the situation.

So yes they played together but barely as partners. Maybe a few shifts here or there but not actual d partners.

Either way though good pickup.



06 Mar 2024 11:44:32
Tor: 3rd (Nyi)
Wsh: edmudson

Tor gets: smith 2nd(pit) 5th(vgk via sjs)
Pitt gets: 1st tor liljgren 25% of smith
Sjs get Robertson 25% of smith

Knies Matthews Marner
Smith Tavares jarnkrok
Bertuzzi domi nylander
Mcmann kampf holmberg

Benoit McCabe
Brodie edmudson
Reilly lybushkin

Get bigger and add more depth I don't see this magical top rhd being out there for Toronto to go get fix that issue in the offseason


1.) 06 Mar 2024 13:55:35
I'm not high on Edmundson. I know he can play both sides and get what you are sating, he's always been kind of careless with the puck though. He is a lefty and not sure he is any better than the lefties the Leafs have. He has size and will scrap though.

If I'm getting the 2nd one right. Leafs send out Lily, Robertson and a 1st to get Reilly Smith at 50% and a 2nd and 5th. Is that correct?
Not sure Smith is worth that and I don't see a lot of issues in the Leafs forward group unless we can pick up a big man that is physical and can play in the top 9.

I'd pass on the Smith trade but Edmundson for a 3rd. Maybe.

2.) 06 Mar 2024 15:20:08
@RFL that a fair point with edmudson but I kinda wonder why the leafs got boosh then cause he can’t handle the puck at all haha I like edmudson just because he’s big and he’s gonna make guys pay that want to camp out front of our net it was his biggest asset when he played in Montreal and the leafs don’t have that since they moved in from schenn.

As for the pens trade my thoughts were the leafs need more two way players they have a terrible pk which will in turn kill them in the playoffs we send out two guys that are in fact not playoff style players liljgren has been better with Brodie but still shows signs of lack of detail in his own end especially when he’s being pressured and Robertson they don’t have to move but it’s kind of one of those things that they should just do right by the player and give him a fresh start leafs give up a 1st because that’s their only valuable draft pick but get the second so essentially trading back in the draft keep in mind leafs get smith at 2.5 for this year and next that’s worth something of value and liljgren is an rfa.

3.) 06 Mar 2024 15:55:14
Goat. All good points. I like Edmundson's compete, just not sure if he adds that much as iirc, he struggles on his opposite side. No?

As for Smith, I am not really questioning the value you have put on the trade although it seems like a lot to pay SJ for just 1.25M of retention for this year and next. imo, I don't think I would want to use all those assets for Smith, as that empties the cupboards almost completely of what is tradeable.

This is my thinking. In the end the Leafs have a 1st and 3rd this year, a 1st in 2026 and Liljegren and Robertson as their best trade assets that one might be willing to move. Almost all are moved in these two deals to get the rest of this year of Edmundson and this and next of Smith. A 2nd is recouped leaving the Leafs with a 1st in 2026 and a 2nd in 2024 (I'm guessing you meant) as the only top assets they have left if they want to keep Knies, Minten, Cowan and Niemela. If emptying the cupboards, I am hoping it would be for players that can grow with the team and not pending UFA's and a 32 year old winger. Just my take.

4.) 06 Mar 2024 16:31:57
@RFL I agree but the trade you want isn’t out there unfortunately I think the leafs will end up overpaying on players and it will be because Florida and Boston are loading up.

5.) 06 Mar 2024 17:19:52
Goat. My kind of trade may not be there and if that is the case, don't make a trade for the sake of it. Look again in the off-season when they have the cap space and all the assets still. I said a long time ago, I see this as a transition year. So, only make trades that help now and the future. Don't go "all in" on this season by emptying the cupboards on pending UFA'S and aged players. My opinion hasn't changed even since they finally fixed the line combos.



28 Feb 2024 18:37:58
Tor: Robertson 1st abruzzese 5th
Nsh: trenin (50%) schenn

Add what you need to make it work but I think the market for Dmen isn't all that great I thought tree should of brought schenn back he fits what this team is trying to do and he is the best partner Reilly has ever had this move allows Toronto to role three parings trenin adds size and depth Robertson to me has potential but he's not a fit


1.) 28 Feb 2024 19:25:26
Biggest issue with Schenn is the contract. I wouldn't have signed him for that either.

2.) 28 Feb 2024 19:36:22
Why I don’t agree is cause Predators are a playoff team and won’t give up these players for futures. They would be looking for players that would make them better for a playoff push.

3.) 28 Feb 2024 19:36:30
Shenn aav is way too high nty.

4.) 28 Feb 2024 19:41:12
The salaries don’t work.

5.) 28 Feb 2024 22:18:45
Everyone complaining about his cap hit please tell me would you rather have 40 year old gio playing with Reilly or a guy who is 34 and useful let’s not forget torontos top target is Tanev who makes double and is the same age.

6.) 29 Feb 2024 00:47:58
Schenn: $2.75 x 2 more years
Trenin: $1.7 UFA
Total: $4.45

Who would the Leafs be sending back to match those salaries as we know they do not have the cap space to absorb them?

Trenin is a 3rd line LW/ C and Schenn (though he plays well with Reilly) is a 34 year old defenseman and we already have a 40 year old Giordano and a 33 year old Brodie.
I would prefer Leafs use those assets on a younger defenseman (Will Borgen, Matt Roy, Sean Walker)




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18 Apr 2024 16:35:36
I got to ask the question here. is the writing not on the wall for marner to be traded? Seems like domi took his spot. We can sign two good players for what marner makes


1.) 18 Apr 2024 17:19:48
Goat. It seems Domi could take Marner's set up role and the difference of money could be used elsewhere. The main stopper is that Marner has a full no move. He isn't going anywhere unless he wants to leave. You can't even buy him out to open cap space as the cap hit would be about $10.4M still.

2.) 18 Apr 2024 19:14:07
Marner is here until his contract is up at a minimum. That full move means a lot to a Toronto kid.

3.) 18 Apr 2024 20:36:49
I think Domi has handled himself extremely well with Matthews.
I also think he has converted some on this site.
But I don’t think he’s the successor to Marner.
Having said that I don’t particularly like Marner’s recent play nor what he might think he’s worth, salary-wise.

4.) 18 Apr 2024 21:54:59
@Rsears what are you thinking Marner wants?

I think he sees himself as close to Mathews, and above Willy. Maybe 12m.

5.) 19 Apr 2024 09:01:38
The no move just gives marner control over where he goes if the team makes it known that they want to move on as a human why would you want to stay with an knowing an organization doesn’t want you….

6.) 19 Apr 2024 11:54:46
Muskoka 5.

7.) 19 Apr 2024 12:53:52
I think 100% Marner is gone in the off-season. He will have to give Tre a list of teams he would play for.

8.) 19 Apr 2024 13:36:52
Clarky. Many of us said the same thing about Willy for a couple of seasons. I am now thinking they aren't going anywhere. If Leafs could make a trade for Marner that makes sense and he will go, I'm all for it.

9.) 19 Apr 2024 14:12:53

Certainly a valid question!

I do not think he’s worth much more than he currently makes.

He will expect a raise, no doubt more than any of us would pay. I would cap it at $11.5.

I would shop him early in the off-season to be ready for a best-case scenario. Put a hard deadline on a deal (I. e prior to Sep1). If he feels he deserves more the Leafs are ready to cut bait.

This deal or trade needs to be addressed early because so many other things depend on it.

This includes what to do with Tavares, soon to be our needed 3C.



15 Apr 2024 02:11:06
Tree adds another hulking dman this one being a leafs pick in 2016 6'6 225 and shoots right. My only question is why didn't the leafs sign him before? He has always been a point producer by the looks of it anyone see anything on the reasoning?


1.) 15 Apr 2024 14:47:40
Goat. Yes, we are seeing Tree start to put his stamp on what he wants to build. He took some time to evaluate and didn't panic due to fan pressure. He is trying to build for every year and not just this one. Smart of him. imo

As for not signing Mattinen. I think it is a s simple as Dubas didn't really value big, hulking D-men. Tree also signed Chas Sharpe to a Marlies contract. 20 year old right shot D-man that is 6'3" 195lb point producer from Orillia.

Not sure anyone else has noticed, but Tree has signed a lot of Canadians. Bert, Domi, Benoit, Mattinen, Sharpe, McMann, Reaves, Gregor, Quillan, Lajoie and Chadwick. I don't think that is a coincidence.

2.) 15 Apr 2024 18:23:47
I’m definitely interested in what he will do this offseason now that he’s seen a full year.



10 Apr 2024 11:42:33
Here's a thought for playoffs, with the leafs getting more depth scoring should they go with two PP units over one stacked unit. If they're down they can't always go back.

Unit 1 knies (bumper spot) Matthews (trigger man) marner(quarterback) Bert (net front) Reilly (point shot)

Unit 2 mcmann(bumper) nylander(trigger) domi(setup) JT(net front) mccabe (point)

Gives the other team a harder time with matchup and you don't have to leave one unit on the ice for a minute thirty.


1.) 10 Apr 2024 12:59:04
I think it is more their zone entries they have to work on. They ALWAYS do the drop pass break out. They are way too predictable and every team has scouted for it and are ready to defend it. For the most part, other teams have no issues entering the Leafs zone with possession on the PP.

I think they should just try and rush up the ice as a unit to change it up. Have guys with speed ready to go chase a dump in. The problem with the drop back is 3 of the 5 guys are almost stranding still at the blueline by the time the drop back guys reach the blueline with the puck. So if you dump it in, no one is going to get to it as they are standing still and even little chips to the boards as they cross the blueline means the guy getting it is basically standing still and has no speed to get around the defenders. There is also almost no chance to score on the rush with the drop back play.

2.) 10 Apr 2024 15:24:32
I'm okay with the bump back, but the winger on the far side should be going full tilt to back the D up. If they leave the pass open you rubbish him with speed, if they back up you do the bump back and let that guy hit the line with speed with the D already backed up to cover the other winger. Our biggest issue is only the guy receiving the pass is moving, so it's easy to defend.

3.) 10 Apr 2024 18:41:44
Pretty much everyone does the drop back pass some do it better but I was mainly looking at where the leafs may be able to gain an advantage.

4.) 10 Apr 2024 18:52:28
Goat. My point is - if you can't gain entry to the zone on the PP, what difference does it make who is on what unit? Maybe you're right and they just need to change the units, but I see zone entries and set up the bigger problem at the moment.

5.) 10 Apr 2024 19:21:38
If Willy is good at anything, it's zone entry. Just throw it to him and pray if nothing else.

6.) 11 Apr 2024 00:46:21
You know how we fix zone entries…. win the damn face off hahaha I don’t think they will change the power play now too late in the year.

7.) 11 Apr 2024 12:29:59
I know a lot of teams use the drop back. The Leafs is very slow to materialize and by that time the other 3 forwards are basically standing still at the blueline and the opponent knows it comes down to the two drop back guys to enter the zone and don't have to really worry about a dump in so they stand up at the blueline. Try some different styles if zone entry so that the drop back when used, has a better chance of success. Stop getting to the redline and then dropping it back to the two trailers who are well inside the Leafs blueline. It's so predictable and doesn't make the other three forwards even an option. It's basically becomes a 2 on 4 at this point instead of a 5 on 4.

8.) 11 Apr 2024 17:51:15
The PP needs a lot of work!

The slingshot or drop back does not need to be done 100% of the time. As stated the Leafs are too predictable and often lose valuable time trying to set it up.

There is nothing wrong with a dump and chase on occasion. It should be easy to read when the Dman doesn’t drop the puck because he is past the first defender.

Zone entry for the Leafs is predictable as well; the puck carrier flips the puck to an often stationary winger at the blue line. How many times do we see the opps Dmen intercept that pass and we start over. Change it up! Let the puck carrier fake that pass and with their speed built up fly by the Dmen.

McDavid and MacKinnon do it all the time. We have three forwards with enough speed and puck skills to change it up.

The one-timer by Matthews or Nylander is always generated from the blue line versus the winger in Tampa’s case. Kucherov on his offside RW hash mark has three options: Stamkos on the other side on a one-timer, Point in the bumper position or Paul at the corner of the net on a shot-pass.

I think Marner could do what Kucherov does.

The point is mixing up the play and not being predictable! This is the NHL.



03 Apr 2024 18:56:21
I got to give tree some love. I really like some of the pickups of late this team has no picks.
But they have been active in still adding prospects. started with Cade Webber a 6'6 rhd and now landing Jacob quillian who is a center who plays a good two way game. what I see is him adding to the areas of weakness now these guys are no lock but I like the proactive attitude. I'm interested to see what they do with the growler players who are signed


1.) 03 Apr 2024 20:40:25
All good points Goat!
Given our cupboards are nearly bare let’s continue to add this way.
There 2 or 3 KHL players and 1 or 2 SHL players I’d like to see us sign 2-Way deals or PTOs.
And of course add prudently through Free Agency.



21 Mar 2024 09:32:24
With all the talk about Brodie of late can I just point out Tyler Bertuzzi was in the same boat this season. You know what happened? They started deploying his properly! It's no different with Brodie him and liljgren were so good together when Mo was out why did the abandon it? I mean keefe literally said he's had a rough year... SO WHY DO YOU KEEP PUTTING HIM IN A POSITION TO FAIL!


1.) 21 Mar 2024 11:50:25
Goat. Absolutely. He's struggling. I don't even see it as a lack of speed, he just seems kid of lost.

I wanted Rielly and McCabe together in pre-season and if last night is any indication of how they can play together, I would like to see more of that. It would change the pairings big time.

Rielly McCabe
Edmundson Lyubushkin
Benoit/ Brodie/ Liljegren

You have 5 guys that you can try and find some combo's, but Rielly and McCabe may be the best top pair we have had in a while. I would still want to see balanced ice time, but there are options. I thought Timmins looked ok last night, but he just seems like a taller Liljegren to me. They both make some nice plays with the puck a couple times a game, but defensively, they are both overwhelmed physically and take way too many hard hits.

2.) 22 Mar 2024 14:33:25
I do like the
Reilly Mccabe pairing

I think for second pair

Benoit Lybushkin

And third

Edmonson Liljgren/ brodie

I really do think Benoit deserves the mintues.

3.) 22 Mar 2024 17:42:41
@86. There is definitely options for the other 2 pairs when they pair Rielly and McCabe together. I am a little concerned on giving Benoit and Boosh that many minutes as neither are really used to it. That said, the key is to balance the minutes no matter what the combos are. imo.

4.) 23 Mar 2024 01:07:55
@RLF I like McCabe-Mo as well with one issue, that seriously depletes the other two pairings.

Brodie, Edmonson, Lilly, Benoit in any combination, scares outta me.

5.) 23 Mar 2024 15:22:23
LL. Just me personally and all my own opinion, but I think you have to have a dominant pairing that you can trust to control the game when they are on the ice. Rielly has struggled since he came back from suspension. He has the speed to get back, but when you are skating to get back, you aren't really in a position to properly defend even if you catch up. He was carrying the puck too much because his partners didn't really move the puck that great. McCabe takes some of the burden away and Rielly is in better position if a turnover etc occurs and he doesn't have to jump up as much as McCabe will do so as well. What we need from the other two pairs is stop cycles, be physical and get the puck to the forwards as quickly as possible. We just need them to defend well and make good decisions. We should be able to find a combination that creates two solid enough pairs.

6.) 23 Mar 2024 20:10:16
@RLF that's a fair point. Having a pairing you trust in all situations, that can hit the ice 25 mins a game.

I'm all for trying it, but Lilly really scares me back there without a good partner.

7.) 24 Mar 2024 12:58:31
LL. I don't mean to have them play 25 mins a night, more like 22 and keep it fairly balanced. Point is, when they are on the ice, the game feels in control by the Leafs more often than not. I can't say I have seen this from any combo yet this season.




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14 Apr 2024 11:18:12
I’m with RFL I don’t think holmberg can be our 3C but I’d try nylander kampf and knies this is the downside of keeping domi on the wing limits what the leafs can do in their bottom six like I still like domi in the middle and Tavares as the 3C.

Bert Matthews marner
Jarnkrok domi nylander
Knies Tavares mcmann
Dewar kampf reaves
Holmberg robbie

That 3rd line could be a problem matchup wise for other teams and when they take reaves out and put holmberg in they have a defensive line.




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13 Apr 2024 18:30:08
I like Stephenson as a target and I agree with tags either move Tavares down or move him to a wing.




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10 Apr 2024 18:38:52
I think Robertson to a rebuilding team might be attractive I honestly think it’s best for both parties if they split ways… to me he’s just too one dimensional if he didn’t have a shot he would be an ahl player and the fact is guys like holmberg knies mcmann can do other things other than score I mean Robertson you claim to be a 30-40 goal guy so if that’s the case so can mcmann and knies so why do we need 3 of them when we have weaknesses elsewhere.




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10 Apr 2024 11:28:29
Robertson and a 1st for Ferraro is crazy Robertsons value just keeps climbing.




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05 Apr 2024 12:28:21
@LL agreed he basically Mo with a point shot. if you think the leafs are gonna just rely on young guys to fill out their roster you’re probably sadly mistaken.





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21 Apr 2024 16:14:36
I find it odd that discomfort is keeping him out this being after the keefe comments of nylander being checked out for weeks.




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21 Apr 2024 16:13:43
Mo looks slow like gio slow if the leafs want to do anything in this series that have to put domi at centre our bottom six is t good enough and for the love of god someone move a body infront of the net.




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19 Apr 2024 09:01:38
The no move just gives marner control over where he goes if the team makes it known that they want to move on as a human why would you want to stay with an knowing an organization doesn’t want you….




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18 Apr 2024 16:32:51
Where do you even start they lose 4 straight to end the year averaged like 5 goals against non of the goalies played well we already know there will be three or four guys playing who are not healthy (domi jarnkrok edmudson and mcmann ) and the lineup just seems like a mess. Having holmberg as your 3C shouldn’t be an option I’ve said move domi back to centre but seeing how Matthews and marner and Bert played I wouldn’t run that line so now what do they do just a mess all around.




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17 Apr 2024 14:08:59
Last night it looked like the leafs were just trying to get outta there healthy missed the second period but their play of late has slipped hopefully it’s just end of the season games don’t matter kinda stuff.