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17 Sep 2024 16:24:20
@clarky similar players being moved different targets
Tor: liljgren
Ana: helleson
Tor: Robertson
Phi: 2nd 2025
If we move liljgren it frees up a good chunk of cap space helleson is a shutdown guy has good size little older but maybe a future pairing of him and Webber as for Robertson is he worth a 2nd no but when they flyers have 3 1st and 3 2nds they can afford it they have a lot of right winger so I can see the fit
Knies Matthews domi
Pacioretty nylander marner
Mcmann Tavares Cowan
Who care too three lines play all the minutes
Reilly tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL hakanpaa
Webber myers
1.) 17 Sep 2024 17:15:11
Decent trades. How about expanding on the ducks trade and targeting Luneau?
Lily, Robertson and Voit for Luneau?
2.) 17 Sep 2024 18:04:59
I like it Goat, as long as we are getting rid of these guys and creating cap space.
3.) 17 Sep 2024 18:13:13
So you trade Lily for a guy who doesn’t make your team?
4.) 17 Sep 2024 23:06:49
Your trading youth that don’t have strong trade value
Get off the trades for Robertson and Liljegren
Liljegren is either a second or third pairing defender
Reilly Tanev
McCabe Liljegren
Larson ~. Binoit or Niemela.
5.) 18 Sep 2024 12:23:28
Liljgren has reached his potential he’s soft and doesn’t fit a berube style team and at 3 mil the leafs could do a lot better if hakanpaa can stay healthy I don’t see liljgren getting in games over him as for Robertson he showed his true colours this offseason I think Cowan right now can bring more to the team plus they have pacioretty.
@rfl
I see what you’re getting at with his size but he’s younger still has time to grow so idk if Anaheim would want to move him and I’m sure they don’t want Robertson or voit as they have an ample amount of small wingers.
6.) 18 Sep 2024 13:03:33
Gaot. I don't think they want to move Luneau either. I just want him and have for a while. I'd give up Lily, Robertson and a 1st for him. A gamble, yes. But I think Luneau will be a top 4 RD who can put up decent points and play a sound 2 way game.
04 Sep 2024 18:33:14
Tor: Robertson + prospect (abruzzese)
Phi: Laughton or frost
Philly like bobby and are over the cap they get a young player with a ability to score probably on the cheap. Toronto needs a centre I like the idea of Laughton simply for the reason the leafs could create a energy/ shutdown line frost would be a nice add he's still young has been pretty good for Philly just has more tools then Laughton which is I doubt they would move him
27 Aug 2024 02:21:11
Two targets
Tor: Robertson
Pitt: accari 3rd
Or
Uta: mcbain
I really like what accari can bring he's physical has a two way game and can be a boost to the pk he was injured a lot last year so that's a negative
As for mcbain he's been mentioned a bunch on here but I think he's got a lot of what accari has but he's younger and bigger still very raw talent.
1.) 27 Aug 2024 08:50:23
Acari is a dime a dozen type player, there’s nothing special about him…
It would take a whole lot more than little Nicky to get you Mcbain.
2.) 27 Aug 2024 13:45:47
If we are considering Pitts as trading partner what about
Robertson, Jarnkrok and Steeves
for Bunting.
His numbers have fallen but his best number were with the Leafs (maybe they could be reignited) .
3.) 27 Aug 2024 16:02:08
@wendel you’re right but accari is the type of player they can use a guy who can do multiple things for you play wing or centre as for mcbain he didn’t put up great numbers last year and is slotted on their fourth line I honestly think it’s a lot closer in value atm then you think
I don’t think dubas would trade bunting he’s had a big impact to their top 6.
4.) 27 Aug 2024 17:09:49
Lol ? 2.0
Accari
Really?
McBain is a Center who is perfect for the third line
Big, checks well, pain to play against
Can score
Robertson is a winger who there are about 700 available, if Utah does that even with a mid tier prospect add by Toronto then they are dumber than I thought.
5.) 28 Aug 2024 12:10:57
On board with mcbain depending on the price.
6.) 28 Aug 2024 13:01:56
Bunting isn't worth that contract. He was decent with superstars around him, but it was best to let him walk when he did.
29 Jul 2024 18:18:28
Tor: Robertson abruzzese
Buf: krebs
Krebs has a poor season last year might be a situation the leafs could buy low and come out on top
14 Jul 2024 14:47:11
Tor: marner
Avs: rantanen
Why not? Both on expiring deals both team end up with high end players I think market would wave for this trade idk what rantanen has for trade protection
1.) 14 Jul 2024 15:01:45
I think we keep Marner for the year and try to trade him for an elite goalie either at the trade deadline or at the draft. Once in a lifetime trade chip to acquire such an important piece and shave cap space.
Other path take JT money and extend him as he’s still a young franchise type player.
2.) 14 Jul 2024 15:21:14
Ghetto thought has crossed my mind, but colorado has won a cup, so why trade your elite talent for one that's costs more and hasn't done much I the playoffs.
3.) 14 Jul 2024 17:03:58
Roughly the same age, Rantanen on a better contract, and is a better player. I believe Avs say no.
4.) 15 Jul 2024 10:29:36
Ironically, wasn't Rantonen the pick after Marner?
5.) 15 Jul 2024 12:12:05
Doesn’t do either team any good, especially Toronto. Solves nothing going forward.
6.) 15 Jul 2024 13:28:56
I would never trade a top asset for a goalie they never work out… this trade doesn’t solve the cap issue but it’s two elite players for one another Colorado probably says no but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
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06 Oct 2024 23:35:35
So I'm curious did they give up on nylander at center again? I think it's a pretty big deal for the roster I mean do they put Lorentz at 3C he had a good camp has some offensive upside at least till they can maybe fix that hole
1.) 07 Oct 2024 02:24:34
Nylander at centre was over before it began
Thank goodness
Tredeadthing had a simple job all summer finding another Center just for the third line
Instead he concentrated on Pacioretty a winger and playing mind games with Robertson and decided that 4th liner Lorentz would be a good fit because wingers were so much needed…not…
He failed
Now we get to watch holmberg …Yahoo
Well played GM
Well played.
2.) 07 Oct 2024 16:55:14
@stumpy
I think tree did a great job he adresssd the number one issue the leafs have had for years and that’s the blue line after that there was t much money to go around Robertson was the one playing mind games and said he wasn’t gonna sign. The only knock I have is signing liljgren should of let him walk. A marner trade was the only way we were getting a center and we know shanny won’t trade his boy toy.
04 Oct 2024 01:48:52
Gotta give it to Robertson he earned his spot hope he get put in a favourable position. Also how nice is it that the leafs have goalies that don't swim in the net lol
27 Sep 2024 12:58:23
Good little game last night anyone know why hakanpaa hasn't played he's participating in camp..?
How do you think the bottom six pans out?
Robertson was better last night but it wasn't like he was going against nhlers that goal doesn't happen in the regular season. not to mention that he was the reason Willy could
miss time.
As I see it now (with a healthy roster)
Patches Tavares jarnkrok
Lorentz kampf holmberg
Was impressed with Lorentz last night using his size fourth line becomes a bit of a mix between shutdown and energy line
I've like patches and jt together both smart players jarnkrok will be the gritty forechecker on that line if he can stay healthy
I was high on some of the kids coming in but I
Think grebeynkin needs a year to get use to the North American ice and Cowan hasn't done enough to stick probably joins the team for the playoffs..
1.) 27 Sep 2024 13:52:09
Hey Goaty,
Not sure on how long Hakanpaa will be but they did say he won’t be ready for the start of training camp. But apparently he is on the ice with “group 3” rehabbing and getting ready.
Robertson may have won me over the past few games. I just don’t see anyone outplaying him for that spot. I think Robertson, Patches and Lorentz could crack this roster.
Lines heading into season:
Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Nylander Marner
Patches JT Robertson
Lorentz Kampf Reaves/ Holmberg
IR Jarnkrok, Dewar
It is still a fairly soft core and the more I look at these lines the more I realize we don’t need Willy Nylander. Man the things we can do with 11.5M compared to what this one dimensional, soft player that now has concussion issues year 1 of his new 8 year deal can do. I like Marner so much more than this guy and it’s a shame we are going to lose him over heartless Willy.
2.) 27 Sep 2024 17:41:48
@clarkyboi
I did t know that about hakanpaa I thought he was skating there just to get to game speed but fair
enough as for Robbie he has been working hard out there I’ll give him that but he’s still getting blown up multiple times a game and still a liability in his own end.
As for the nylander marner debate I’ll say this they are two completely different players marner is soft and plays the perimeter game he’s got a lot of passion and wants to win but it works against him a lot of the time we all seen the fit he threw.
As for willy he plays a harder game then most people give him credit for and isn’t afraid to take it to the net. He handles the pressure of the market the best out of anyone and yes at times he lacks that fire in his belly
But he’s been solid I think think marner moving on is the best course of action….
3.) 27 Sep 2024 20:49:06
Hey Goaty,
The only time I’ve seen Willy take the puck to the net hard was before his contract. After that it was back to the perimeter. And he is terrible defensively, not to mention he doesn’t fit the cycle game Berube is instilling in these guys. He doesn’t know how to battle along the boards.
4.) 28 Sep 2024 11:06:24
Yes let’s trade willy nylander
Another superb suggestion by the genius
????.
5.) 28 Sep 2024 16:26:48
Stumpy you got to be the biggest keyboard warrior on this site man. Your obviously a Willy leg humper to.
6.) 28 Sep 2024 21:17:37
Kmores
I’m Willy’s father.
25 Sep 2024 11:06:56
I don't think Cowan is making the team guys I thought he would of came in flying...
On another note I've really like quillan he's played heavy and has been really good on the forecheck he's not gonna make the team but I like what I seen.. Philipee myers had a solid game as well
1.) 25 Sep 2024 13:11:57
Nope, Cowan hasn't looked ready. I'm not that surprised.
Myers has always been a guy I thought would be more than happy has been. All the tools, cant seem to put it all together for long enough stretches. Hopefully he has it figured out.
2.) 25 Sep 2024 14:44:39
@Goat you’re right Cowan isn’t licking his chops at this opportunity. Maybe they told him ahead of time that he wasn’t making it this year because these past few games he has played with no purpose. I have to agree that Quillan and Myers had good games along with our usuals in Knies, McMann, Holmberg. I was surprised to find myself saying Connor Timmins looked pretty good too. Man I don’t want Robertson to be on this team but I haven’t seen anyone outplay him for that last spot yet (assuming Patches is on the team) . Maybe they can upgrade through trade but looks like he will be playing with JT and Patches on the 3rd line, unless they go with Jarnkrok but that’s not much better.
23 Sep 2024 09:57:19
Biggest take aways from last night yes it was one game but it was pretty clear what won't work
OEL and McCabe- they got torched last night OEL looked awful
Mid season marner- guy coughs the puck up too much he's more interested in making and spin no look backhand pass I really don't want to see him with Matthews.
Grebeyken is making this team
Goaltending look weak
Patches and jt is gonna be a sweet line
And I hated that they stacked the first power play try something else!
1.) 23 Sep 2024 12:40:46
Goaltending and defence take longer to get in game form than forwards imo. I wouldn't be overly concerned yet.
Marner seems to be getting worse with the turnovers as he gets older.
2.) 23 Sep 2024 15:55:57
Chief needs to stop the cute little passes in the middle of the ice. Play north and south like he stated when he came here. I know it’s gonna take time but looked like last year’s leafs. OEL had some bad areas in his own end but he looked good jumping in the play and helping the offence. Patches looked good and Grebyenkin earned some fans with that tilt. Easton didn’t get much of a chance on the 4th line. JT, Patches, Knies looked the best for me. Rielly and Tanev had some issues they need to work out and Lily still looks like he shouldn’t make this team.
3.) 23 Sep 2024 16:12:13
@Clarky I don't think Babs liked a lot of what Mitchy/ Willy did, neither did Keefe. I'm not sure how you can stop it at this point.
4.) 23 Sep 2024 16:45:43
So my take
Marner: doing stupid Marner stuff.
OEL: I think OEL and hakanpaa will be paired together. I liked his offensive instincts but man he struggled in his end, but he looked good in FLA so let's see.
Nylander: looks lost at centre, maybe it'll come though.
Cowan: Cowan looks scared to get hit and that was playing with Reeves out there protecting him. He's not ready.
Grebyenkin: liked his game. Nothing to crazy, but I like the edge he plays with.
Patches: he played okay, sometimes the puck just goes in when it shouldn't. That tip was nice but that second goal should never beat an NHL goalie. His assist on the game typing goal was meh. He had a good game but I'd wait to see what happens the rest of pre season before singing his praises. (Robertson led the pre season in goals 2 years ago. )
Murray - shouldn't have much of an issue waiving him.
Woll - not a great first goal but got it together after that with some big saves.
Webber- I really really wanted to like him, but he just looks lost out there.
Lily: looked good for the first 5 mins then settled into typical lily.
Tanev: I think he will look a lot better once the season starts, not exactly going to be blocking shots with your face in ore season.
I'm hoping Robertson has a fire under him and comes out flying, I want to see him earn a spot. But it might be tough on this team.
5.) 23 Sep 2024 21:54:28
@Randy Webber I would give more time, then send down. Defenceman can take a notoriously long time to develop. No reason to rush the kid.
Cowan didn't look good at all. Forgot to mention that one. Big disappointment, but again he's young enough it's whatever.
I wasn't penciling these kids into top 6 roles anyway.
07 Oct 2024 16:49:51
I think if the leafs add a guy like steeves it would work.
04 Oct 2024 18:59:11
So many factors in play I put him down as a 20-25 guy if he gets top 6 minutes if he gets the third line I say 16 I truly hope he does alright and builds his value so Toronto can dump him for something good.
04 Oct 2024 18:55:52
It’s unlikely that the caps would move him for some of our spare parts I think this year might be the first year in a long time where the leafs don’t have to buy a blueliner.
02 Oct 2024 14:45:43
@Hrenklin
The leafs have little to know draft capital so by trading for prospects it allows them to keep the system cycling with new talent sometimes you get lucky where a prospect doesn’t do well in one organization and then thrives in another the leafs have saw this happen a lot with their own prospects in recent years I don’t think a third pair liljgren is worth 3 mil I’d rather move him out and use a cheaper option maybe let somemarlies see some ice rafi has earned that kinda look.
02 Oct 2024 14:40:25
The problem Robertson faces isn’t his ability to score goals it’s his two way game it his hockey IQ it’s what role does he play because if he plays on a second line it’s most likely with domi nylander and my thing is how can you put that line out with knowing it’s likely they get stuck in their own end and probably scored on if he’s on the third line it’s more of the same we saw last year.
07 Oct 2024 16:56:43
@rfl probably that’s.
07 Oct 2024 16:55:14
@stumpy
I think tree did a great job he adresssd the number one issue the leafs have had for years and that’s the blue line after that there was t much money to go around Robertson was the one playing mind games and said he wasn’t gonna sign. The only knock I have is signing liljgren should of let him walk. A marner trade was the only way we were getting a center and we know shanny won’t trade his boy toy.
06 Oct 2024 23:33:09
I wouldn’t mind the leafs picking up Nolan Foote big power forward on the cheap.
27 Sep 2024 17:41:48
@clarkyboi
I did t know that about hakanpaa I thought he was skating there just to get to game speed but fair
enough as for Robbie he has been working hard out there I’ll give him that but he’s still getting blown up multiple times a game and still a liability in his own end.
As for the nylander marner debate I’ll say this they are two completely different players marner is soft and plays the perimeter game he’s got a lot of passion and wants to win but it works against him a lot of the time we all seen the fit he threw.
As for willy he plays a harder game then most people give him credit for and isn’t afraid to take it to the net. He handles the pressure of the market the best out of anyone and yes at times he lacks that fire in his belly
But he’s been solid I think think marner moving on is the best course of action….
24 Sep 2024 17:42:06
Knies Matthews domi
Mcmann nylander marner
Patches jt Cowan
Grebeykin kampf jarnkrok
Extras: holmberg dewar reaves
As of right now I would try this I think if willy is gonna play centre they need to put him with two defensively responsible players.