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05 Oct 2024 21:37:07
Sounds like Liljegren may be traded.
What do you think is a fair price?
I'm thinking 2025 2nd.
Thoughts?
1.) 05 Oct 2024 22:41:42
A second?
You’re nuts
Lucky to get a 4th
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2.) 06 Oct 2024 03:38:35
3rd or 4th at his price tag unless you're taking back salary.
04 Oct 2024 16:55:07
I really wanted Roy during the off-season and it sucked that we were so close.
Maybe Leafs make an attempt at trading with Washington, even though they just signed Roy.
To Wasgington
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
Benoit $1.35M/ 3yrs
Kampf $2.4M/ 3yrs
Jarnkrok $2.1M/ 2yrs
$8.85M out
To Toronto
Roy $5.75M/ 6yrs
Dowd $1.3M/ 1yr
$7.05M in
Wasgington gets younger at D, plus they re-unite Lily with Sandin.
They get a solid, tough, defensiveD-man in Benoit.
Plus 2 solid, responsible veterans in Kampf & Jarnkrok.
Leafs get Matt Roy who has been a target of mine since the summer. I think he would fit in perfectly on the 2nd unit.
Also, Leafs pick up a solid 4th line RHC who also PK's.
Lines
Knies Matthews Marner
McMann JT Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Domi
Dewar Dowd Lorentz/ Reaves
Rielly Tanev
McCabe Roy
OEL Hakanpaa
Rafting
Woll
Stolarz
Cap $87.744667
Maybe Leafs need to add a 2025 2nd?
Thoughts?
1.) 04 Oct 2024 18:55:52
It’s unlikely that the caps would move him for some of our spare parts I think this year might be the first year in a long time where the leafs don’t have to buy a blueliner.
2.) 04 Oct 2024 19:22:42
Agreed Goat, just wishful thinking on my part.
It just irked me hearing that we were so close to signing Roy, but lost out in the end (that is if the rumoyrs were true) .
3.) 05 Oct 2024 00:08:59
Leafs should have grabbed him as a FA instead of giving the nearly 35 year old Chris Tanev a 6 year contract!
4.) 05 Oct 2024 13:29:01
WB The Tanev signing was pretty much a given, especially after they gave up a draft pick to start negotiations early.
I think they should have just gone after Roy and not signed OEL. That would have been the better move IMO.
18 Sep 2024 19:42:48
To Utah
Robertson $.875M/ 1yr RFA
Liljegren $3M/ 2yrs
Kampf $2.4M/ 3yrs
Hirvonen ELC
To Toronto
McBain $1.6M/ 1yr RFA
Kesselring $1.4M/ 2yrs RFA
2025 3rd round pick (via NYR)
1.) 18 Sep 2024 20:44:45
I like it! Make it happen GM Tagsy.
2.) 18 Sep 2024 20:54:58
Leafs add
Robertson and Liljegren have no value
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3.) 18 Sep 2024 22:54:47
I like the trade but not sold on Lilly being moved I thought he had a good playoff and like to see what a new contract does for him so maybe a trade deadline deal if he sucks again lol but what I’ve heard is he worked his butt off this summer and potentially make 3million look like steel.
4.) 19 Sep 2024 16:29:01
LeafsGM78
Liljegren looks like he is going to be a bottom pairing D-man who makes $3M (too much for bottom pairing with our cap structure) . Kesselring is one year younger, $1.4M AAV and a 6'5" RHD all day everyday (Tre type of Dman) . I would do this trade-off in a heartbeat.
Then of course, McBain another big boy who gets over 250 hits per year, plays physical, PK's and can easily replace Kampf at 4C.
I added Robertson to hopefully make this trade a bit more enticing for Utah.
I think this is a win/ win trade for the Leafs, just not sure if Utah goes for it.
5.) 20 Sep 2024 00:18:22
Agree that it would be a win for the Leafs but doubt Utah would be moved by the return.
14 Sep 2024 02:44:59
To Anaheim
Robertson $.875M
Liljegren $3M
To Toronto
Gudas $3M/ 2 yrs (25% retained)
2025 4th
Anaheim gets 2 young players who fit their timeline.
Leafs get a 34 year old physical defensive Dman.
Rielly Tanev
OEL Gudas
McCabe Hakanpaa
Benoit.
1.) 14 Sep 2024 13:02:37
Would love it tags but I thought I remembered him not wanting to come to Canada or Toronto in particular?
2.) 14 Sep 2024 13:08:57
Why? So you’re giving up on two younger players with higher ceilings for a goon?
3.) 14 Sep 2024 13:42:41
Clarky
You're right, I just googled it and found the following,
In an interview with @DenikSport, Radko Gudas said that he received offers from CGY & EDM & TOR. But he didn't want to play in Canada, especially in Toronto. He said the media pressure in the playoffs was crazy. He felt it even though he only played for Florida & not Toronto. Aug 2, 2023
LeafsGM78
Robertson is a one dimensional player who can only score and if hes not scoring, then he's not good for anything. He is too small, not physical and not a good all around player. He can't drive a line or create on his own. Plus, he doesn't want to play here. Only reason he's still on the team is from lack of interest IMO.
Liljegren has hit his ceiling IMO. I've always tried to cut him some slack, but he hasn't taken that next step in all these years. It's time to call a spade a spade, solid #5 D-Man who sits during playoff time (not trusted) .
Goudas is a solid, tough, physical and nasty D-man who has Stanley Cup pedigree. He is the type of player we would love him on our team, same as with Bennett. He can play well beside a more offensive partner IMO. He is the exact type of player Tre covets.
Our window is now and we need to acquire solid players who will help us win in the playoffs.
4.) 14 Sep 2024 15:03:28
Of the players liljigren is the only 1 who hasn't said he doesn't want to playing Toronto.
5.) 14 Sep 2024 16:22:33
Lol Gudas?
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6.) 14 Sep 2024 17:48:30
I bet you'd love Gudas if he were on your team.
Anyways, go back to your Leafs dream world!
Liljegren getting 2 2nd rounders ??
Timmins & Jarnkrok getting a 2nd & 3rd rounder ??
Seriously? ?♂️.
7.) 14 Sep 2024 23:23:54
If Gudas is in your top 4, your D sucks.
8.) 15 Sep 2024 15:12:46
Gudas is yesterdays news
And is a complete waste of cap space and to top it off you basically hand them two young players
Yup… u da bomb! ???
But thank you for telling me who I would like on my team???.
9.) 15 Sep 2024 16:19:52
One young guy doesn't want to be here and the other will be a career bottom line Dman.
We're really not giving up much.
10.) 15 Sep 2024 18:46:33
Tags…
Well…. Hmmmn…Robertson signed…and is here…try and keep up with the news fella
And giving up a 25 year old dman as well for a sloth and a goon on the denouement of his career is mind boggling…
But that’s your style of logic, so not surprising to read it?♂️?.
11.) 16 Sep 2024 02:47:00
Robertson got backed into a corner because there was no interest in him. If he wanted to stay in the NHL, he had no other choice.
Liljegren is not even trusted to play on the playoffs.
12.) 17 Sep 2024 00:07:26
Give it up tags
You are way off
Just admit it.
14 Sep 2024 00:03:20
I think Leafs have enough room for a 23 man roster just by trading Jarnkrok for a 2025 3rd or 4th rounder.
Lines could be as you like, but we can either keep Cowan (14 F) or keep Timmins (8 D)
Patches Papi Styles
Robbie Domi Marner
Knies JT McMann/ Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg/ Reaves
F cap $61.062667M
Rielly Tanev
McCabe Liljegren
OEL Hakanpaa
Benoit
D cap $23.32M
Woll
Stolarz
G cap $3.266667
Total cap $87.649334
$350K remaining, so can remove Cowan &
keep Timmins, still under cap
I like Jarnkrok for defensive purposes and PKing, but he never does anything in the playoffs. I think he can be replaced with the remaining players.
1.) 14 Sep 2024 01:07:12
I calculated Patches at $875K.
2.) 14 Sep 2024 13:04:08
I like most of it Tagsy! Just don’t like Robertson on this team and Benoit shouldn’t sit for Liljegren IMO.
3.) 14 Sep 2024 13:46:29
I hear you Clarky, I'm just trying to project the line up with the player's here, plus how we can fit Patches in because we all know this PTO is really a contract that will be signed before the season starts.
4.) 14 Sep 2024 23:07:59
Pacioretty on the 1st line would indicate Leafs are in serious trouble!
5.) 15 Sep 2024 15:13:51
Lol
Pacioretty on first line
??.
6.) 15 Sep 2024 16:17:46
I said lines could be as you like, I just threw one together.
Anyways, things will depend on how Patches does during training camp.
He can play 3LW and we move Knies up to 1LW, Berube will make those decisions.
7.) 17 Sep 2024 00:08:37
Defend what you post tags
Don’t hide
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21 Sep 2024 23:33:57
I know it's still very early, but what do you guys think the final lines will be?
Personally, I think Jarnkrok & Timmins will be traded to open up some cap space.
Knies Matthews Marner
McMann Nylander Domi
Patches Tavares Robertson
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves/ Cowan
Rielly Tanev
OEL McCabe
Benoit Liljegren
Hakanpaa (depending on health) or Mermis.
1.) 22 Sep 2024 02:06:05
I have the same lines as you.
I do think the lines change very quickly though. Probably 10 games in and Benoit will be with McCabe, Mcmann with Mathews.
2.) 22 Sep 2024 21:09:25
I agree too Tags but I think Robertson should be apart of that trade and Holmberg or Cowan take his spot on the 3rd line. Looking forward to seeing some pre season games to see who stands out! Lorentz could be a wild card too or Grebyenkin as Chief seemed to like both of those guys.
12 Jul 2024 14:23:37
This would be my starting line up if Leafs don't make any other trades.
They just sign Robertson $1.35M & Dewar $1.35M and trade Jarnkrok & Timmins.
Knies Matthews Nylander
Robertson Domi Marner
McMann Tavares Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Liljegren
Hakanpaa
Woll
Stolarz
Total Cap $87.449335M.
1.) 13 Jul 2024 01:54:27
Nice topic Tags! I’d go with this one:
Knies Matthews Cowan
McMann Domi Marner
Holmberg JT Nylander
Dewar Kampf Reaves
Robertson/ Steeves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Hakanpaa/ Liljegren
Will/ Stolarz.
2.) 13 Jul 2024 11:27:39
trade Jarnkrok and kampf and Liljegren
Robertson matthews marner
Knies domi nylander
McMann JT Cowan
Holmberg dewer reaves
Reilly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL hakanpaa
First pp
Knies matthews mcmann
Marner OEL
Second pp
Domi JT nylander
Reilly Robertson.
3.) 13 Jul 2024 22:54:39
Knies Matthews domi
Robertson nylander Marner
McMann Tavares Cowan
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Reaves
Rielly Tanev
Benoit McCabe
OEL Liljegren
Hakanpaa (takes lilys spot if healthy)
Woll
Stolarz
Nylander and centre can be a project, I didn't hate it as much as most last year.
4.) 14 Jul 2024 18:53:25
Oh Randy, I wasn’t gonna comment but I can’t stand the looos of that 2nd line, so soft and Nylander at C? Recipe for disaster.
06 Jul 2024 12:17:30
I really dont understand WTF Buffalo was thinking in that trade for Ryan McLeod.
This is one of the worst trades I've seen.
I like McLeod, but I think he tops out as a 3C. I just don't understand Buffalo trading their top prospect, Savoie 9OA who is scoring 2 points per game in the WHL for a 3rd line center and to a team who is in cap hell. Just ludicrous!
1.) 06 Jul 2024 14:27:42
Buffalo looks ridiculous. 5M for Zucker and they bought out Skinner too. Not too sure what’s going on there. They have a lot of skilled D over there but no Jake McCabe style D, gonna be tough to get in playoffs for them again I think.
2.) 06 Jul 2024 14:43:15
Trying to figure out what Buffalo is doing is always impossible. I never understand that team.
For all the rubbish we give Leafs management, Sabres have to be up there with Ballard years for how bad it is.
If they traded Dahlin for the 22nd overall pick, would anyone actually be surprised?
3.) 09 Jul 2024 15:09:49
Buffalo has an NHL team?
29 Jun 2024 03:49:37
I was hoping Leafs would trade down, but when Solberg was still available at 23, I changed my mind. I really wanted him.
Anyway, I guess Leafs figured it made more sense to trade down and get a 2nd round pick as well.
Surprised with their pick, m though, I didn't even look at Danford. But in Wes I trust, so hopefully Danford develops into a 2nd pairing defenseman.
What do you guys think?
Plus, I'm wondering whether Leafs trade the 2nd round pick to get Marino or possibly Ross Colton.
1.) 29 Jun 2024 14:06:38
Tags. Elick was still available, so I'm surprised they passed on him. Danford plays a similar style. He's like an Erick light. can only think that Leafs are interested in local boys who are also Leafs fans.
It's another Cowan type of pick and let's hope he got this one right as well.
2.) 29 Jun 2024 14:15:19
Does he go a little off the board again with the 2nd rounder for a monster like Mateiko?
3.) 29 Jun 2024 15:00:19
I’m starting to think the leafs are over thinking their draft picks the last handful of year I like the trade down but to then go off the board sucks.
4.) 29 Jun 2024 23:48:05
Wes Clark has been drafting some good prospects the last few years, I'm fine with Danford. Obviously he knows more than we do.
Trading the 2nd for a 2025 2nd gives us a pick to possibly use at the TDL. And I'm fine if we can get Tanev, he is still a solid Dman and better defensively than anyone we have. Hopefully Tre can sign him.
10 Jun 2024 22:48:07
With Marner not being traded, I would love to get Boone Jenner?
What does it take?
Robertson & Minten, 2024 5th? Enough?
Jenner at 2C, with a cap hit of $3.75M/ 2yrs would fit nicely in our cap situation.
Do you think Columbus would even entertain trading him?
1.) 11 Jun 2024 12:34:20
I don't think that's enough for Jenner. Fabulous target, but he plays the "Right way", is a leader, and has a solid cap hit.
2C's at 3.75 for 2 years aren't cheap.
2.) 11 Jun 2024 12:57:03
Columbus is one of those organizations that no matter what they do lately, it doesn't work. They are stuck with Laine likely. They have lots of good RFA's to re-sign including, Marchenko, Sillinger, Johnson and Bean and not a ton of cap space to do it.
They have really good D-men. They could try and trade off Jenner and Kuraly and go younger OR they could trade some youth for help now.
If they go younger, you may be in the ballpark as Jenner isn't a big point producer.
3.) 11 Jun 2024 14:32:52
I think getting Jenner 2C at $3.75M is a better direction to go in rather than spending $5.25Mish on Bertuzzi (winger) .
Knies Matthews Domi $3.75
McMann Jenner Nylander
Cowan Tavares Marner
Holmberg Dewer $1.2 Reaves
Only 12 forwards to fit the cap & Kampf needs to be traded as well
Rielly Roy $5.8
McCabe Tanev $4.5
Benoit Klingberg ($1 show me PP1)
Woll
Btossoit $3.
4.) 11 Jun 2024 15:19:36
Plus
Timmins
Total cap $87.699334.
5.) 11 Jun 2024 20:23:21
@Tags don’t want Tanev, there are better options in that price range and I 100% don’t want Klingberg even for free and limited minutes. Like to get a solid 6 where you can trust everyone to play in all situations minus PP obviously. Shelter Klingberg to burn out Rielly and Klingberg was not the answer on the PP either. We are trying to get away from being a team that commits too many turnovers, so minus machine Klingberg can take his shot somewhere else. Hopefully Boston or Florida so we have a chance to beat them.
6.) 11 Jun 2024 22:09:10
@Clarky
We'll put Klingberg aside because I know nobody agrees with me, lol.
I really like Roy as my first target and then I'd push for Tanev to pair with McCabe as a shut down duo. I think it's hard to snatch 2/ 3 top UFA defenseman with all the competition, so maybe Tre's history with Tanev helps us sign him as well.
Who would you go for other than Tanev?
7.) 12 Jun 2024 09:35:07
@Tags Skjei or Pesce. Tanev will want 4 years minimum imo, and he might get close to it.
8.) 12 Jun 2024 11:19:29
@LL Skjei or Pesce are not in the $4.5M range. It's hard to fit in 2 top D if Marner isn't traded.
9.) 12 Jun 2024 11:20:54
Maybe we could target Walker to play with McCabe, he should be in that $4.5M range.
10.) 12 Jun 2024 12:55:44
Don't sleep on Carrier for the right side imo.
No, he is not big, but he is used mostly in defensive situations. He is a + player at even strength and PK's as well. In the past 3 seasons, Nashville goalies have had a 94.7, 92.7 and 91.4 save % respectively when he is on the ice. Blocked 137 shots last season. Played about 19 mins a game last season while making $2.5M. If Leafs can get him for around $3.5M per, he could add good value as he also puts up 20-30 pts a season. 8 pts in 16 playoff games while averaging over 21 mins a night.
11.) 12 Jun 2024 14:10:28
RLF Carrier is definitely a good option, I forgot about him. He will be slightly cheaper than Tanev/ Walker and much younger. Plays PK and can also man the 2nd PP, good option RLF.
Rielly Roy
McCabe Carrier
Benoit _______
Timmins
Maybe target Joshua Brown $1.2M?
12.) 12 Jun 2024 16:49:31
Tags. Not sure on Brown to fill that spot. I don't dislike him, but someone with a little better skating and cheap enough might be a better fit. imo
You know I would move Liljegren, hopefully for some forward help whether straight up or in a package, so he is not really an option for me.
If it's me, as long as Benning is healthy, I would see what the cost to acquire him is. Perfect 3rd pair RD option imo.
Other than that, Phillipe Myers has always been a guy that has intrigued and confused me at the same time. All the tools, but can't seem to hang on anywhere since his great start in Philly when he looked like a future 2nd pair RD. If it isn't a substance abuse issue, I would take a minimum deal flyer on him and let Myers, Timmins and Niemela fight it out for 6/ 7 spots. If Myers and Niemela look good, move Timmins and open up the cap space.
07 Oct 2024 16:45:09
To be fair Stumpy, when you're proposing a Lily trade for a pair of 2nd's compared to one 2nd, they're not in the same ballpark.
I could still see Lily possibly getting a 2nd, but a 3rd may be more realistic considering how his camp has gone.
05 Oct 2024 13:29:01
WB The Tanev signing was pretty much a given, especially after they gave up a draft pick to start negotiations early.
I think they should have just gone after Roy and not signed OEL. That would have been the better move IMO.
04 Oct 2024 19:22:42
Agreed Goat, just wishful thinking on my part.
It just irked me hearing that we were so close to signing Roy, but lost out in the end (that is if the rumoyrs were true) .
19 Sep 2024 16:29:01
LeafsGM78
Liljegren looks like he is going to be a bottom pairing D-man who makes $3M (too much for bottom pairing with our cap structure) . Kesselring is one year younger, $1.4M AAV and a 6'5" RHD all day everyday (Tre type of Dman) . I would do this trade-off in a heartbeat.
Then of course, McBain another big boy who gets over 250 hits per year, plays physical, PK's and can easily replace Kampf at 4C.
I added Robertson to hopefully make this trade a bit more enticing for Utah.
I think this is a win/ win trade for the Leafs, just not sure if Utah goes for it.
16 Sep 2024 02:47:00
Robertson got backed into a corner because there was no interest in him. If he wanted to stay in the NHL, he had no other choice.
Liljegren is not even trusted to play on the playoffs.
09 Oct 2024 01:22:21
Agreed on Myers, Clarky.
I know RLF had been mentioning him for awhile now as a reclamation project. Looks like he's finally grown into his body and is learning how to use it.
A 3rd pair would be amazing with
Benoit & Hakanpaa/ Myers.
08 Oct 2024 14:54:22
Interesting!
I knew that the team acquiring a player from waivers needs to have enough cap space to fit the contract and that the player must be added to the team immediately.
I didn't know that said player has to remain on the roster for the entire season. It definitely makes it more of a risk to pick someone up from waivers.
Do you know if the team can put this player on waivers at a later date if he's not working out?
08 Oct 2024 12:37:06
Hey Clarky
I agree with you that he should be traded. Doesn't seem like Lily is the right fit for this team and Leafs really can't afford a $3M bottom pairing D-man, especially with our cap allocation.
The smart move would have been to trade him before Free Agency and use the extra capital to make a stronger push for Matt Roy!
Imagine
Rielly Tanev
McCabe Roy
Benoit Hakanpaa
Timmins/ Myers.
07 Oct 2024 17:33:57
I guess someone is worth their weight in gold, Pridham is a cap genius ?.
06 Oct 2024 21:42:04
Wrong guy Randy.
Oilers put Raphael Lavoie on waivers, not Matthew Savoie.