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24 May 2024 23:41:36
To Utah
Robertson RFA
Liljegren RFA

To Toronto
Bjugstad $2.1M/ 1yr
Kesselring RFA

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 25 May 2024 04:49:32
I advocated for Dubas to acquire Bujgstad to be Leafs 3rd line center at the past two trade deadline.

Kesselring is a 24 year old, 6’4”, 190lb, right hand defenseman

Liljegren is a 25 year old 6’1”, 198lb, right hand defenseman.

I do not know enough about Kesselring to judge whether this is just a sideways move for both teams or not.
If Kesselring is judged to be better than Liljegren, why would Utah trade him for a lesser RHD.
If Kesselring is not as good as Liljegren, why would the Leafs want to trade for him?


2.) 25 May 2024 12:12:13
WB
These judgements are done by those involved in the trade! Not by an evaluation panel.

If the Leafs see something in Kesselring’s play that they need or like from a team standpoint they might make the trade.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess.


3.) 25 May 2024 14:41:58
WB
Bottom line, Leafs get bigger and more physical, which are characteristics that Tre & Berube like.
Bjugstad fills a 3C need for Leafs, or possibly 3RW depending on other moves.
Kesselring fills a 3rd line RD with size and physicality (with possible upside to move up to 2RD in future)
Utah gets a young goal scoring
forward in Robertson, who better fits their timelim
Also they grab a former 1st round Dman who may play better in a less demanding market.
IMO I think it's a trade that could work for both sides.


4.) 26 May 2024 03:42:26
As I said, I have wanted Bujgstad since two trade deadlines ago.
Another Dubas mistake in my opinion.

But I would always question a sideways move such as a 24 year old RHD for a 25 year old RHD.
It would require both teams feeling they got the better player?

“Not by an evaluation panel”?
I heartily disagree.
This is not one person, the GM reviewing and deciding on a deal.
It is Treliving, his assistant GM Pridham maybe Shanahan as well as the Leafs scouting staff.
That’s what I would call a”a panel”.


 

 

24 May 2024 22:02:44
Something different

To Carolina
Hildeby ELC

To Toronto
Nikishin (no contract)

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23 May 2024 22:07:00
To NYR
Marner $10.903M
Liljegren RFA

To Toronto
Lafreniere $2.325M/ 1yr RFA
Schneider RFA
Chytil $4.4375M/ 3yrs

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 24 May 2024 00:34:00
Great trade for the Leafs but I can not see Rangers agreeing to it.


 

 

23 May 2024 21:12:14
To NYR
Marner $10.903M (signed extention)
Liljegren RFA

To Torotno
Lafreniere $2.325M RFA
Trouba $8M/ 2yrs

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 24 May 2024 00:34:34
Even less likely!


2.) 24 May 2024 01:03:11
Don't think so. Troubadour has been great and Laffy broke out.


 

 

22 May 2024 19:42:39
Let's try a prop in case the Leafs keep Marner and run it back for the 100th time, lol.

Leafs trade Jarnkrok & for a 3rd or 4th, whatever they can get.

Leafs trade Liljegren to Chicago
For
2024 2nd round pick (via LA)

To Columbus
Robertson RFA
Kampf $2.4M/ 3yrs
2024 2nd (via Chicago trade)

To Toronto
Jenner $3.75M/ 2yrs

Leafs re-sign
Dewer $1.15M
Domi $3.75M

UFA signings
Montour $7M/ 6yrs
Tanev $4M/ 2yrs
Brown $1.4M/ 3yrs
Stolarz $1.75M/ 2yrs

Line-up
Knies Matthews Domi
McMann Jenner Nylander
Cowan Tavares Marner
Holmberg Dewar Reaves

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Montour
Benoit Brown
Timmins

Woll
Stolarz

Total cap hit $87.499667

I think Jenner is an ideal target, who can play 2C and is relatively cheap. Hes fiesty, a leader and already plays in all situations.

Columbus get another young goal scorer that fits their time line, another 2nd round pick and a veteran in Kampf.

Thoughts?

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1.) 22 May 2024 22:04:33
I like all these targets although I can't see Columbus trading Jenner and would like Montour around 6 million.


2.) 23 May 2024 00:49:08
Montour is already 30 years old so giving him $7M x 6 years seems like a really bad idea!
Tanev is 34 years old and will be 35 before Christmas.
Like the guy but 2 years to a 35 year old with a lengthy and extensive injury history, I would stay away from.

Jenner, the Captain of the Columbus Blue Jackets has made it very clear he does not want to be traded.
He would be a great 2nd/ 3rd line center for the Leafs, but if he wants to stay with the CBJs I can not see Davidson trading him, particularly for a return of Robertson, Kampf and a 2nd round pick.


3.) 23 May 2024 02:17:34
@WB pretty much all UFA's are 29/ 30. This is the way it works if adding to your team through the FA market.
You've advocated for Pesce, he'll be 30 as well this year and is expecting full term 6/ 7 years so same scenario.
Leafs will have to bite the bullet somewhere if picking up a UFA or two.


 

 

 

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18 May 2024 14:57:46
Who would you guys like to see as assistants?

I'm hearing some chatter on Marc Savard for PP *not sure if he's still employed with Calgary though) . He is someone who coached with Berube in the past.
And Berube's mentor, John Steven's, who has coached cup winning teams in LA, and more recently, with Vegas.

Thoughts?

Tags97

1.) 18 May 2024 21:13:20
Marc Savard I like. Keep hearing his name as well, but as you said, I'm pretty sure he's still with the Flames.


2.) 18 May 2024 22:40:56
Sounds like the assistants will be savard and van Ryan both who worked with berube.


3.) 20 May 2024 00:44:14
Gilmour runs PP
Clark runs any Leaf who plays lethargic
Cujo is goaltending coach

???.


4.) 20 May 2024 02:35:45
Lol I love it!
Sign them up.


 

 

17 May 2024 03:12:13
Do Leafs risk losing Berube by waiting for Carolina's/ Rod's decision?
I think Rod is the better coach, but not much else out there if Berube signs with someone else in the meantime.
Personally, I would gamble and wait a bit longer to see what direction Rod goes in.

Tags97

1.) 17 May 2024 05:27:51
I don't think Rod is going anywhere.

I think we all agree that Rod is the better coach, but I'd still just grab Berube now.

If I'm Tre, I would hire Gallant, but that's besides the point lol.


2.) 17 May 2024 13:13:49
Tags. This is what I mentioned a few days ago. If they are waiting on Rod or Sullivan for instance, they may lose out on anyone else they are really interested in. It's not like when Carolina were eliminated that Rod signs the next day with the Leafs. If he wants to stay in Carolina and they want him, there will be negotiations first and then permission to talk him even if he is fired, which depends on when his contract is actually up.


3.) 17 May 2024 13:45:41
Hearing Leafs have also spoken with Gallant, so some posters may get their wish.
I do like Gallant as well.


4.) 17 May 2024 15:09:00
Better late than never on Gallant if true.


5.) 17 May 2024 16:09:36
Yes, Friedman mentioned it in his 32 thoughts podcast.
Friedman believes the Leafs have spoken to Gallant, but still thinks Berube is the front runner.


 

 

13 May 2024 12:07:19
As much as I'm happy the Rat got what he deserves, I think Bennett's actions are cowardly and despicable.
He should have definitely been suspended IMO. His cheap shots just reminded me again of that non hockey play take down of Knies last year's playoffs and again he goes unpunished.
Just dirty.

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1.) 13 May 2024 13:50:32
Bennett plays hard and to hurt. He has a real mean streak. No different than Marchand being dirty to hurt guys. I agree that Bennett should be suspended. Not saying I'm sorry to see Marchand get what he really did deserve imo.


2.) 13 May 2024 16:48:27
You know what I think it looks great on Boston we watched them for the last decade do this crap and we already know the league won’t do anything about it honestly I hope Toronto adopts it.


3.) 13 May 2024 19:06:59
I disagree on the Knies play. It wasn't great, bit dirty, but wasn't as bad as Leafs fans make it sound.

Rat got what he deserved. It's kind of the way hockey is going though. Don't fight, just spear guys in the groin, decapitate someone and run, etc.


4.) 13 May 2024 19:30:05
I have to amend this. I guess I hadn't seen the bench angle.

Definitely a suspension, but also poetic justice.


5.) 14 May 2024 13:43:49
I’m very frustrated with this. The NHL doesn’t make sense. A cross check to the face where the guy gets up and plays next game will get you a 6+ game suspension but punching guys in the face to an unsuspecting player, giving them a concussion gets nothing? Like wtf are we talking about here? We see what happens to people that have many concussions in their life and when they retire, their life is hell. If “player safety” is number 1 then make sense of this for me please. I don’t care that it was Marchand. Last year was Knies, Slavin ect. if there are no repercussions for his dirty play, why would he stop?


6.) 14 May 2024 14:31:40
Clarky. I don't think anyone really disagrees with what you just posted. Marchand finally got pegged by a dirty play which is the poetic justice side of it. Marchand often slew foots while he checks guys. He uses his lack of height to get under them as he checks to cause as much damage as possible.

On that play, to me, Marchand dips a bit and tries to get right into Bennett's mid section and Bennett clocks him. Suspendable? Absolutely. This is what happens though when they also haven't suspended Marchand every time he throws a dirty hit. Marchand gets away with it and keeps doing it. So guys take it into their own hands. Marchand was going after Bennett's mid section and Bennett took him out. Marchand tried it on the wrong guy and paid for it.


7.) 14 May 2024 16:22:16
I get the poetic justice side of it for sure. No one deserves it more than him (other than Bennett) . That was a blatant right hook to the chops. But I just don’t get the comparison of suspensions. What Rielly did was a 6game suspension worse than what Bennett did? Do they not take into account the opposing player? Grieg gets up, plays the next game, scores a goal and all is fine. Marchand is out 2 weeks with a concussion. Why would anyone put your stick up to cross check anymore? Start putting your fist in his chin and all is legal. ?‍♂️.


8.) 14 May 2024 18:33:19
Clarky. I agreed with what you wrote. My point was that Marchand rarely gets suspended no matter how dirty he is. Had they have suspended him more, he probably changes his behavior and then guys aren't expecting a cheap shot from him and they would know if he does cheap shot he will get suspended. So the inconsistencies you talk about is the reason Bennett does what he does. He took it into his own hands because player safety will do nothing.
On that play, Marchand doesn't need to try and go into Bennet's mid section. He does because nothing happens to him when he does his cheap shots.
This time Bennett didn't like him ducking under to get into his ribs and clocked him.

Yes, there is no rhyme or reason to what player safety thinks is suspendable.


 

 

09 May 2024 00:09:07
It sounds like Keefe may be fired tomorrow and I'm hearing Berube is at the top of the list.
Personally, I'm not very high on Berube, not for this team anyways.
Berube seems like someone who holds players accountable, but I don't think he's much for teaching, for developing a good game plan and in game adjustments.
If Quennville gets re-instated & shows he's learned from past mistakes I would love to hire him. Not sure if the Leafs would though.

Thoughts on Berube?
And possibly Quennville.

Tags97

1.) 09 May 2024 02:17:43
I was pretty open about wanting Gallant personally.

I'm good with Berube. I've had enough of "players coaches" in this city after Keefe.

Quennville is the best coach available (currently), if reinstated, but I can't imagine the Leafs specifically touching that one.

I'd keep an eye on the Cane and Rod. If they get swept, do they look for a change?


2.) 09 May 2024 02:42:43
I would love Rod as well, but I can't see Carolina being that stupid to let him go over a few dollars.
I just hope Leafs hold off a bit before hiring someone, just to see who's actually becomes available.


3.) 09 May 2024 12:18:24
I was just gonna post about what the leafs should do behind the bench and I’d fire everyone with keefe I’ve been looking at different coaches and who I think would fit with the leafs and here’s what I came up with

Head coach berube seems like a treliving guy tbh

Assistant don granato he has ties with Matthews in being head coach of the US national program and has coached a lot of top players in this league he would look after the forwards

Assistant jay leach was looking at this guy and he was almost named head coach of the bruins had a winning record in providence and helped develop guys like
Mcavoy he would be my choice for defence coach

This obviously is all hypothetical because we don’t know who’s gonna be back but they’re my picks I’d like rod but I don’t think Carolina let’s him go I guess we will see kinda crazy that shannys job looks to be safe hopefully they take away his ability to make calls on players.


4.) 09 May 2024 13:11:13
All good candidates. I would be actually a little surprised if they keep Keefe. It hasn't worked.
Waiting to see who becomes available has pros and cons. Leafs wait and may get someone they would want who becomes available. On the other hand, they wait and every one gets taken up and no one becomes available and they end up with no one they want.


5.) 09 May 2024 20:44:01
I liked Keefe’s final message that he didn’t get the job done. That’s being honest.

I don’t think he was a bad coach but I personally hated some of his systems.

For one he was a proponent of allowing the offence too much time and ice. Both hanging back and not aggressively forechecking and collapsing in the D-zone to clog up the middle were things that drove me crazy.

He is gone! More to follow? YES and the question is who will follow?

It will be interesting to watch and give us all the opportunity to guess and propose.

I took some time to listen to many Berube interviews. I thought he was a single focus coach on physicality but I see that this is not the case. He tries to employ a team game first, adapting the way the game is played to the skill set available.

He’s calm in front of the media, answering questions simply and without excitement. He doesn’t come off in an overly-cerebral fashion, demanding instead accountability and effort.

He is intense and demanding, something perhaps foreign to some Leaf players.

He may become, if hired, the impetus for Marner to waive his NMC. Marner’s pouting will not sit well with the Chief.

Maybe Berube will, in fact, become our next Chief and bring the Cup back to Toronto.


6.) 09 May 2024 22:48:06
@Rsears did he want them to skate in circles instead of driving the net? I actually doubt that.

I think Keefe is routinely out coached, but I'm not sure any coach, ever, will get Willy/ Mitch to drive the net consistently.


 

 

08 May 2024 14:16:20
I just get the feeling that Marner isn't going to waive.
Ferris has been known to let his client's play out the final year of their NMC contract and then hit FA.
There have been numerous red flags from Marner's first contract negotiations and I don't see them going away now. I see Marner hitting FA and trying to get a $13M deal on a 5 year term.
So much for bleeding Blue & White his whole life, lol.

Tags97

1.) 08 May 2024 14:29:52
Tags
Very possible. If he does, he won't be a very popular guy in Toronto unless he absolutely dominates in regular season and playoffs as well. Then the pressure goes on the Leafs for letting him walk.


2.) 08 May 2024 16:21:11
RLF
Marner performing in the playoffs is a big IF, lol.
Apparently Leafs gave played 16 game 5, 6 & 7's in the Core Era, to which Marner has 5 assists (3 primary) . Just doesn't show up when the pressure is on!


3.) 08 May 2024 16:32:38
I may be wrong on these stats. Feel free to double check the number's.
I would be curious to see how the rest of the Core did in Game's 5, 6 & 7, don't think many of them have done great though.


4.) 08 May 2024 16:54:17
Tags. And that is the issue most of us have with Marner, he may put up points in the playoffs early, but does he "show up" in the do or die games. He just hasn't been there. The big thing I see is that he cannot/ will not go through traffic especially with the puck. He stays on the outside trying to find an open man with a pass through traffic and every team knows this now. He needs to try and drive through because no one is expecting it, but it doesn't seem like he sees that as the path. Willy and Matthews seem to have started figuring this out. Marner has not and the Leafs can't have 3 $11M+ forwards that are not big net drivers or playoff style guys. Need big moments from big stars with high paycheques.


5.) 08 May 2024 17:15:54
@Tags I tend to agree. If I wad looking at this as Marner's agent, I would want to test UFA and see if I can start a bidding war.


6.) 08 May 2024 17:19:18
RLF I really hope they can trade him. I honestly don't mind for what, as long as we get some picks & cap space and don't inherit a bad contract.


7.) 08 May 2024 17:41:30
I see the marner situation a bit different I mean if you’re marner why not go elsewhere for a year then cash in I think the media and fan base has turned on him and I don’t really see why he would want to stay home town kid or not I mean same thing with JT you’re telling me he wouldn’t waive if he could go to another team that he thinks could be closer to a cup because if not then that tells you all you need to know about him yes leafs would have to retain on probably both guys but as long as they can get something decent back it’s better for the team in the long run.


8.) 08 May 2024 18:18:05
@Goat as a dad of 3 kids (2 small kids) I can completely understand why JT wouldn't want to move just for a single year, to possibly relocate again. Especially from his hometown.


9.) 08 May 2024 19:17:02
As bad as this sounds that’s your profession I think John understands that chances are he’s not
Back after next year either.


10.) 08 May 2024 20:41:58
Maybe we give “Whiney” an ultimatum.

Agree to waive or sit for the season.

Hard-ball might work, IDK.


11.) 08 May 2024 22:43:41
LL and Goat,
Maybe for those very reasons he takes a huge hometown discount to be L3C or L3LW.
If he scores 60+ points next year the Leafs might try to resign him.
I’d consider it.


12.) 08 May 2024 22:54:57
@Goat I can't see them letting JT walk. He's going to know he can't ask for much money, and he's still good enough to make 3-4m.


13.) 09 May 2024 19:14:15
@Rsears that's what I think is coming as well. JT takes a discount, and takes over at 3C that can step into the top 6 with injuries.


 

 

 

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25 May 2024 14:41:58
WB
Bottom line, Leafs get bigger and more physical, which are characteristics that Tre & Berube like.
Bjugstad fills a 3C need for Leafs, or possibly 3RW depending on other moves.
Kesselring fills a 3rd line RD with size and physicality (with possible upside to move up to 2RD in future)
Utah gets a young goal scoring
forward in Robertson, who better fits their timelim
Also they grab a former 1st round Dman who may play better in a less demanding market.
IMO I think it's a trade that could work for both sides.

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23 May 2024 02:17:34
@WB pretty much all UFA's are 29/ 30. This is the way it works if adding to your team through the FA market.
You've advocated for Pesce, he'll be 30 as well this year and is expecting full term 6/ 7 years so same scenario.
Leafs will have to bite the bullet somewhere if picking up a UFA or two.

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19 May 2024 04:35:57
@WB Parayko just turned 31, which will bring him to 36 in his final season. Yet, above you stated you're fine with Pesce who will be 30 this year. Pesce wants full term and value ($6.5M/ 7yrs), so he will be the exact same age in his final season.
You seem to contradict yourself often I see. Same with your +/ - comments.

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18 May 2024 13:37:13
@Hrenklin yes, I forgot to add the draft picks.

Amended

To Toronto
Parayko
Toropchenko
2024 2nd (via Toronto)

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17 May 2024 15:21:07
@Hrenklin if we keep this line up the same, there is space to pay an extra $750K for Domi. We would just carry a 21 man roster instead if 22 by sending Kemmel down to AHL (he is waiver exempt) .

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20 May 2024 02:35:45
Lol I love it!
Sign them up.

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18 May 2024 14:47:50
Maybe I'm exaggerating with most, but I for one liked what he did especially with the time frame he had.

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18 May 2024 14:41:18
And Berube demands ACCOUNTABILITY from everyone!

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18 May 2024 14:32:48
RLF I think most of us agreed it would be a feeling out year for Tre and then he would start building his team the following summer.
I will say this though, he did try trading for a Zadorov & Tanev package earlier in the season (which definitely shows us his direction), but seemed as if Calgary had no desired to deal with him.
Definitely like the path he's going in by building a bigger, tougher team all around (forwards & defense alike), a team with more 'snot' as his saying goes. lol.
And Berube seems like the perfect hire to follow in this direction. Someone who expects players to play with passion, heart, tenacity and physicality. A team playing a fast and hard forechecking game.

LL Depending on Marner's decision, you may be right with one more transition year ahead of us. Hopefully Marner agrees to a trade, so we can start moving full steam ahead.

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17 May 2024 22:02:50
The more things I read about Berube, the more I'm liking him.
It seems like he and Tre have the same vision going forward and I can't wait to start our next chapter boys!

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