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30 Aug 2021 17:44:12
Leafs send 2022 1st + Kerfoot

Arizona sends 2022 6th

- leafs get 3.5M cap relief this year and next

- Arizona is gathering picks for their latest tank/draft cycle

- this deal mirrors the Marleau deal to dump 1 year @ 6.25M for a 1st with a 6th coming back.

While I don't think trading picks for cap relief makes sense, Dubas won't trade his biggest 4 contracts.

Previous Dubas got cap relief for picks from CLB and SJ to get the cap space for the Foligno trade.

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1.) 30 Aug 2021 18:38:01
Kerfoot would not be a cap dump. Just because Seattle took McCann instead, doesn't mean that Kerfoot is useless or that they wouldn't want him as well. Worst case, the Leafs retain $1M and probably get back a late 1st or high 2nd. Lots of teams would take on Kerfoot at his $3.5 cap hit. Leafs don't need to pay anyone to do it.


2.) 30 Aug 2021 22:29:51
Usual nonsense from chicken foot. I don't think anyone around the game would ever suggest Kerfoot is a cap dump especially not in the same way that Marleau was.


3.) 30 Aug 2021 22:38:32
There are. zero teams. looking to trade a 1st. or a high second. for Kerfoot with 1M held back.

My opinion of course, RLF, and all opinions are welcome.

I just feel its more than a stretch to suggest Kerfoot = 1st or high 2nd with 1M held back. Wow.


4.) 30 Aug 2021 23:15:27
No one said you can't share your opinion Chickenfoot. No one has to agree with it though.


5.) 31 Aug 2021 01:08:33
LL,

On the NHL trades site, how many trade proposals FOR Kerfoot have you seen from fans of other teams?

Check. There are zero. All you'll find are one-sided trades to dump him from the leafs.

If the only ones making Kerfoot proposals are leaf fans, he's a cap dump. He is not a target. He is an inclusion in trades going away from the leafs.

If you can't handle the truth, that's on you. I can support what I've said. You name-call.

If you have a counter argument I'd love to read it. I love talking hockey, and I hope you bring it. 👍.


6.) 31 Aug 2021 01:09:41
I mean kerfoot I’m a trade doesn’t have a first going either way, I personally think kerfoot for a 3rd is about the value you should expect.


7.) 31 Aug 2021 02:50:41
@Chickenfoot what are you backing up? Your answer is "The main board doesn't have Kerfoot trades" that doesn't mean he's a cap dump.

What comparables can you come up with where a mid-late 20s middle 6 Centre making 3.5 is a cap dump? I don't even think you get a third for Kerfoot from most teams but theirs no chance you have to pay a first to get rid of him.

Francis wanted Kerfoot until McCann showed up. This wasn't a case of Seattle passing on Kerfoot and taking Engvall even though that's how you attempt to phrase it.


8.) 31 Aug 2021 09:27:07
LL, I was backing up why I see Kerfoot as a cap dump. In a flat cap world at his salary and production, that is how I see him.

I was supporting what I had said based on the fact I have not seen one trade proposal "for" Kerfoot from non-leaf fans, just trade proposals sending him out of Toronto.


9.) 31 Aug 2021 12:33:32
Did you ever consider that other teams fans aren't trying to trade for him because they think the cost would be too much and therefore, not worth it? There are always trade ideas where teams fans are willing to take on a "bad" contract with a sweetener or two, yet you say you see none where Kerfoot is involved. If you go by the main board as proof of things, the fact no one is trying to acquire him as a cap dump with sweeteners should tell you he is not considered a cap dump. Your logic has a major flaw in it and I hope you can handle the truth as you ask others to do.


10.) 31 Aug 2021 13:50:58
I respect your opinion RLF, 100%. We don't agree, but that's fun too when talking hockey.


11.) 02 Sep 2021 18:29:37
Unless it’s a star player not many fans from other teams are coming on the boards and wasting their time on having their team pick up a middle six player. Just doesn’t happen. If anything they try to throw their middle 6 pjs yet say other teams for thst teams star,

All flash or find something else to do, that’s most people’s way of going about these boards,

That’s backing up with truth not your dribble u try to convince people with.


 

 

 

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07 Sep 2021 20:30:11
LL, thanks. My question was an honest one, and I'm glad you took it that way. Now I know👍.

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01 Sep 2021 15:23:50
LL, that is interesting. I didn't realize.

In theory, could you not try to negotiate an extension in the summer of 2022, and if it couldn't be done, weigh a trade at that time? My thinking is if you can't extend him, I believe the haul you'd get for him could be transformative. (Especially with 2 years of term remaining. )

I'm not suggesting for a second that trading him is desirable, but the team will obviously have an interest in protecting his value as an asset, in one form or another. )

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01 Sep 2021 02:43:54
Actually, I did not realize that until you told me.

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31 Aug 2021 17:18:27
That appears to be the alleged price for Eichel. I agree they won't get it, but whatever they get, Matthews would be worth more.

You never know, in a couple of years if they can't agree on an extension, or if he wants to go to market, the leafs would theoretically have a big decision to make: trade him for a truckload or take your chances on re-signing him. That would be a difficult decision.

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31 Aug 2021 15:49:17
LL, I can agree with you that saying Bogosian is "great" is lol-material. Fair point, wrong word. I do value him as a 5-6 D at this point at the right cap hit. Fair point.

Question: who is "hot wing"? I'm asking straight-up, I have no idea.

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