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30 Jun 2016 16:10:02
Toronto has to think outside the box to get more picks. Why wait until the dead line to make trades when you can do them today and pick up players for free.
Tor trades Bozak for as high a pick as they can (hope for a second) this summer.
This opens a spot for Toronto to signs Eric Stall for one year for 7mil. (Yes, it's over paying for him but its only for one year. ) Play him on the first line and PP to help build up his stats to trade him at the dead line.
Tor retains 50% of contract and trades Eric Stall at the dead line for a 1st rd pick.
Toronto has the financial muscle and they should use it! With these moves, Toronto picks up an extra 1st rd pick.
Am I crazy or what? What do you think?
1.) 30 Jun 2016 16:56:42
I was hoping that Stamkos signing with TBL would put a stop to the constant "let's give away Bozak" posts. Bozak almost had as many points as Staal last year and he played 26 games less!! Bozak is an amazing third line centre, who knows Babcocks system, and the Toronto organization. The Leafs need a guy like that to protect and teach the youngsters
2.) 30 Jun 2016 18:01:57
I really like Bozak because he has worked hard to improve his game but his time in Toronto is almost over. They won't have a spot for him next year with Matthews, Nylander and Kadri in the top three lines. By them picking up a UFA to play first line for half a year, it gives Matthews time to adjust to the NHL and a high draft pick.
I only use Eric Stall because I don't think Backes would sign a one year deal but Stall, who grew up watching Toronto and being from Ontario might.
It's all about the draft now a days (and drafting D-men because that was a crazy trade Edmonton did yesterday. I have to say that they are a better team if they
sign Lucic but that was a big price.)
3.) 30 Jun 2016 18:05:36
After a trade and question like that. what kind of answer do you contemplate receiving
4.) 30 Jun 2016 18:52:18
Personally I think Nylander will be a career RW
5.) 30 Jun 2016 21:07:34
I seriously doubt Lou will do a Chiarelli.
6.) 30 Jun 2016 22:49:12
Babcock said that Nylander will start the season on the wing.
13 May 2016 21:04:48
Now that Toronto has the 1st pick, Lou needs to start working of the other picks. The Leafs still need to build the farm team and I would love to see this happen.
Detroit is at the cap and they said they need to address their Defence and a need at Center.
Det trades Pavel Datsyuk's 7.5 mil cap hit and 16 pick
Tor trades Bozak (4.2 mil) and late 3rd pick
The gives them 3.3 mil plus they aren't going to resign Brad Richards and his 3 mil so that's 6.3 mil so that's enough to pick up UFA Keith Yandle.
I think fair and it makes sense for both teams. What do you think?
1.) 13 May 2016 21:49:47
I could see something like this happening, but it's just so rare that the Wings give up their 1st/2nd RD picks.
If this worked, Leafs could package the # 16 and Pitt's pick (likely 30th at this rate. lol) to try and move into top 10!
2.) 15 May 2016 06:23:31
i think i've seen this proposal ten times now.but Leafs would do it in a heartbeat IF they don't sign Stamkos.
07 May 2016 18:40:54
Word is the Edmonton has offered their 1st Rd 4th OA to NYI for Hamonic but the NYI want more because they want to win now. So here are two trades that I would like to see.
TO trades Gardiner and 3rd in 2016
Edm trades 4th OA
then
TO trades down to #7 and gets Arizona 2rd pick
Arizona wants Tkachuk because of the father thing!
TO takes the best D man or Dubois or L. Brown. (TO needs some size up front and I don't want TO to end up like the Oilers drafting to many of the same type of player. skilled but soft)
1.) 07 May 2016 18:51:13
Where did u hear this rumor? Hamonic isn't worth a 4th OA player. Islanders would be dump to not make that trade if there's any truth to that.
2.) 07 May 2016 21:05:38
3 team deal
Gardiner and rights to Leivo and edm 1st round 4th overall to NYI
Hamonic and rights to Holland and tor 2nd round 60th overall to Edm
Strome and NYI 3rd round picks in both 17 and 18 to Tor
New York remains playoff team by gaining a dman after losing a dman plus gets choice of either top dman in draft or a winger in nylander or Tkachuk
Edmonton gets top pairing dman without giving up on nucleus thus possibly making this team better. Holland signs cheap and is good bottom 6 forward.2nd rounder gives them a mid grade prospect
Toronto gets Dylan older brother Ryan who has shown flashes of good stuff but NY has been disappointed. the 2 3rd rounders in 17 and 18 lessens the blow of losing there 2 3rd rounders for coach and GM.
3.) 07 May 2016 23:06:42
Puck it! Jason Gregor of the Edmonton Journal wrote the piece and I have heard it a lot on sports radio as well.
Larry Brooks of the New York post wrote that NYR should trade Ryan McDonagh to Edmonton for the 4th OA pick.
Lots of people are talking about that pick moving on draft day and I would like the Leafs to get it. Gardiner had his best year in the NHL and I think his trade value will never be higher than what it is now. OK, it was higher after the lost to Boston in the play off but going forward.I don't think so. That will open up a spot to sign a top four D man to a one year deal (Leafs will have to over pay him by a million to take a one year deal) and trade him at the deadline for a 1st round pick.
4.) 07 May 2016 23:18:22
Hamonic is signed for 3.8 million for 4 more years. That is one of the best valued contracts in the NHL. He should be paid over 6 million a year with how hard he plays the game. Big shot and hits like a train. Every team wants guys like that. The Leafs don't have anyone with his skill set. Reilly is very good but doesn't hit like him. The rest of the leaf D men are not in the same league as Hamonic. A young Brent Seabrook type of player.
5.) 08 May 2016 14:22:10
Hyman is my D but he works hard
6.) 08 May 2016 14:22:29
He isn't D
7.) 08 May 2016 16:18:00
@Craiger12
You think the Leafs will trade Gardiner, Leivo, Holland and 60th OA
for;
Strome and NYI 3rd round picks in both 17 and 18?
Why? Strome is a bust! and the Leafs can make deals with Detroit and NJ to offset those signage requirements; This is a deal the Leafs would never make, it does them no good, they clearly lose on it.
Meanwhile, Edmonton gets Harmonic and NYI's get the 4th? Why not just trade the one for the other? Why involve the leafs at all?
Maybe if you throw in NYI 1st(21st)to Tor. But otherwise the deal is a significant loss to Tor & would never happen.
8.) 08 May 2016 20:04:05
Lab16.
If NYI were in the same position as the Leafs, I'm sure they would take the deal of Hamonic for the 4 OA pick, but there not. They need to win if they have any hope in convincing John Tavaress to resign in a years time or he's walking out the door. (He's a UFA).
Comparing Hamonic to Gardiner.
I see Harmonic at 24 yrs old as a top 2 D man in this league and he has a great contract for 4 more years.
I see Gardiner as a top 4 D man because he has a low hockey IQ. He has great skills but doesn't know how to use them. (He is one of the best skaters in the league). He is also signed for 4 more years at 4.05 million.
I think Gardiner is a good D man but Harmonic is just a lot better.
The report was that Edmonton offered the 4th OA and NYI said no. I think if Edmonton can't get Harmonic, maybe Toronto could get that pick it with Gardiner and a 3rd pick.
9.) 09 May 2016 21:17:47
Not sure Travis Hamonic would get you the forth overall pick from Edmonton. Islanders would like either Tkachuk and more probably Dubois at that spot. If Okoposo leaves as a free agent, Dubois would be a perfect fit to replace him. Hamonic is good but Dubois is going to be a stud!
04 May 2016 01:31:12
I'm living in Edmonton and listening sports radio talking about the Oilers trading their 1st round #4 pick for a top 3 D-man. All the guys are saying they CAN'T get a #1 or 2 D-man for that pick.
Gardner has been great in short stints. His first half season after he got traded to TO. His seven games in the playoff against Boston. The rest of the time, very disappointing showing he just doesn't have a high hockey I. Q. Then this year, just finished his best year in the NHL. His stock will never be higher than what it is now/ draft. So let's trade him.
Leafs send Gardner for Edmonton 1st round pick.
That opens up so many other trade options.
1.) 04 May 2016 04:26:20
Wouldn't be that simple. I wish. Leafs would definitely need to add
2.) 04 May 2016 04:39:24
Maybe Gardiner and pits 1st depending on how desperate they are you could add a 3-6rd pick
3.) 06 May 2016 05:21:21
do you really think Jake Gardner is worth the 4th overall pick? you are out of your mind. Put the first rounder from Pittsburgh with him and Oilers problem still say no.
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18 Jun 2019 20:09:12
Toronto can't keep letting their UFA's walk and get nothing in return. JVR and now Gardner. Look at Boston and Chicago. They traded away older or expensive players for picks or young cheaper guys. (Kessel, Lucic or Big Buff and Andrew Ladd)I wish Toronto would have done something like that because you could see that they couldn't afford JVR and they were not going to win the cup. They even said they were they for the young guys too experience what it's like to play in the playoffs!
18 Jun 2019 17:19:49
If you think Winnipeg want to traded a top pair d man like Jacob Trouba , nuts. They had no choice. He wouldn't resign anywhere in Canada in fact because his girlfriend/wife is going to school to be a doctor in the states and can't work in Canada. That's why I'm not upset that Toronto didn't trade for him. I'm only surprised at how little Winnipeg got in return for him.
1.) 18 Jun 2019 18:01:47
They absolutely did have a choice. They could have traded someone else to free up the cap space and over pay Trouba to ensure he stayed in winnipeg. $8x8 would probably have been more than enough to ensure Trouba stayed in a Jets uniform.
2.) 18 Jun 2019 18:58:12
You are correct SBS, unfortunately the Jets didn't have a choice. Anyone who knows anything about the situation knows that.
It was never about money, Trouba only wanted to play in the USA and it appears New York was his number 1 choice.
3.) 18 Jun 2019 20:20:36
Trouba even said it a few years ago when he was holding out for a new contract that he didn't want to play in Canada. He tried to force Winnipeg's hand but Winnipeg didn't blink. If he doesn't want to at then he won't. Winnipeg came out and said that if we let the players decide where they play, everyone will be in playing in the sun belt/ no taxes states. (ie. LA, T-Bay, Dallas) .
04 Mar 2017 16:55:33
I see a lot of trades on here saying that Toronto should trade JVR for Brandon Montour. When I look at his stats, they are a lot like Conner Carricks. i.e. size, age and if you remember last year, Carrick lead the AHL in scoring in the playoffs at over a point a game.
Anaheim has to trade Bieksa (who holds a NMC and has to be protected in the expansion draft) or they will lose one of their big four d-man. To get someone to take him, Anaheim will have to through in someone like Montour. That means Toronto will protect Rielly, Gardiner, Bieksa and will lose Carrick in the expansion draft.
My question is....is Montour that much better than Carrick?
If yes, then ask yourself this.... is Montour worth trading JVR and Carrick because you basically lost both of them in this deal! Bieksa is only a 5 or 6 d-man now and he has a 4 mil cap hit but that isn't a concern for Toronto but it is for Anaheim!
Just something to think about.
1.) 07 Mar 2017 01:41:54
Yes, he is.
29 Jan 2017 15:54:44
Everyone is still talking about trading for a number one RHD and now we are starting to talk about draft. We all know that you can't trade for a number one D-man with out giving up 3 number 1 picks or players of equal value (which I think is crazy). You have to draft your #1D-man (cost you one 1st round pick).
Andersen played great but the trade came one year to soon and I think that Toronto gave up to much. A first round pick that was used on Sam Steel (who's playing great and has 87 puts in 40 games) and a 2nd in 2017.
Fans didn't expected Toronto to make the playoff this year and they won't (they have a crazy schedule of 35 game in 69 days ahead of them. Worst in the league).
Now would be the time for Toronto to made a trade for goalie. They would have to give up players (not draft picks) which would help them with the tank so they could get there #1 D-man. What would it cost to get a goalie today?
I think Bozak and a D-man like Polak could get it done. You can't get a trade them for what it cost to get Anderson (1st and 2nd).
What do you think?
1.) 29 Jan 2017 18:50:33
I don't think andersen came too late for us. You didn't want marner and matthews coming in and get used to losing. Andersen has been solid for us which helps the team out a lot. This gives everyone good morale and team spirit which is the main part of our success this year. Sam steel would've been sweet but there's guys like him every draft. As of ranking for another first rounder, it's been proved before that you can get a top pairing d man later on in the draft. Doesn't have to be a top pick, and when you have a guy like Mark hunter scouting for you, you shouldn't be too worried about getting studs. Lou and hunter will make it happen this summer. Guarenteed.
2.) 01 Feb 2017 00:25:16
If we didn't get Andersen, someone else would have. You don't pass up chances to acquire a Goalie like him, especially when all we had was Bernier at the time. To say they definitely won't make the playoffs? None sense. We have games in hand and will almost certainly make the playoffs lending a major injury
26 Dec 2016 23:47:33
I must say that I was wrong about Andersen. I thought Toronto was nuts to give him 5yrs and 25 mil. I still say they gave to much to get him and we will see what the other top goalies go for in trades this year (before the expansion draft) . What do you think?
His great play is winning game and costing Toronto a chance of draft a number 1 d-man.
05 Jul 2019 20:00:37
NYI are the team who are dumb enough to give up 4 X 1's Rd picks. If they offer 12.5M (as rumors has it), the leafs will let him go. They should then sign Gardner and one of Johansson or Ferland.
25 Feb 2017 16:39:58
I'm looking forward to the off season because there is a few teams the are in the same position as Winnipeg. Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville and Minnesota are more that find them selves in the same place as Winnipeg. They all have to many D- men that would be top two or three on other teams. That can't/ won't expose them to the expansion draft. They must trade them away or make a trade with Vegas to protect them. CAN'T WAIT!
31 Dec 2016 16:33:22
mph1. Both teams would be nuts to do those trades but let say they do. Then you have to look at it from Toronto's side and who are they going to protect in the expansion draft? I'm guessing Trouba and Josi because you just traded for them. Now you have to protect Reily and your losing Gardner for nothing? Then I guess your going to have to protect 4 D-man and ONLY 4 forwards.
31 Dec 2016 15:51:14
I can't see Ottawa trading their best prospects away just to make it into the playoffs. They are not that dump! Only teams that are willing to do that are the teams that have a chance to win the cup. I think there is only one team out of the playoffs that Toronto should target for a trade like this and it's NYI. They need to do something to keep there best player (John Tavares)
happy or he is going to walk as a UFA next year!
If I was a dreamer, I would love to see something like
Toronto trade JVR
NYI for RHD Ryan Pulock and the 1st 17 pick (I'm thinking it would be 27 -26 range) and then go after John Tavares when he becomes a UFA.
31 Dec 2016 15:32:44
I have to say I like this trade. I can see Montreal doing it because they are in "win now mood" because on the age of there star players much like the Ducks.
People who think Ottawa is trading Chabot so that they can just make it into the the playoff are kidding themselves!
18 Jun 2019 20:20:36
Trouba even said it a few years ago when he was holding out for a new contract that he didn't want to play in Canada. He tried to force Winnipeg's hand but Winnipeg didn't blink. If he doesn't want to at then he won't. Winnipeg came out and said that if we let the players decide where they play, everyone will be in playing in the sun belt/ no taxes states. (ie. LA, T-Bay, Dallas) .
02 Mar 2017 03:18:03
I'm very disappointed in what the leafs did. or didn't do. The finish line is not getting into the playoffs but win 16 games in the playoffs! They should have traded there vets and replace them in the summer with UFA's. You sign guys like Boyle and Hanzel to replace Bozak and Komarvo in the summer. I'm sure they tried to trade their Polak and Hunwick but nobody wanted them!
By giving up the 2nd for Boyle could be taking away a player we need in four years. The only good thing they did was to helped the Pens out by taking on contracts and we got a fourth 4th round pick because of it. Don't be fooled Lou saying it was because he knows what it takes to win the cup because he did it last year. He was a big help on the forth line! Guys like Matthews and Marner know more about win then most of the guys in the NHL already!
01 Aug 2016 16:57:20
lab16
I used to think that way about drafting the best player available but then I seen what happened to the Oilers. They drafted the best player available in their draft and they all were the same type/style of player. They got a bunch of highly skilled but soft players. I have to admit that the last two drafts, they didn't have a choice but to draft the players they did because of the drop off in talent difference between Conor/Jesse and any Dman out available.
I thought they should have taken a Murphy instead of Yakupov at the time of the draft and even though it hasn't work out for both players, it might have been enough to stop that crazy trade of Hall. I don't think there is much of a drop off between Murphy and Larrson. It might have been enough to have kept that trade from happening.
So, as the Oilers found out, you can't trade for a top pair D-man. I think if your at the draft and a gift falls into your lap, you have to take it but you can't go wrong taking a d-man. Look at what you can get in trade offers. It's easier to trade a d-man and you can get a lot more in return for him.
I can believe other teams didn't get in on the Hall deal! I think St Louis, Minn and NYI really missed out here.
01 Aug 2016 06:42:10
From what I have seen in the reports on Dermott and Nielsen is.
Dermott is good at everything but not great either. The best part of his game is his skating. Good hockey IQ, good shot, good positioning on defense. Reports say solid NHL defenseman in a sporting roll. (meaning #2 or 4 roll)
Nielsen on the other hand has a canon of a shot and loves tthe physical side of the game. He needs to work on his skating but he is a big guy and that always takes them longer to develop that. Reports say 1st power play and bottom 4 Dman with potential to move up if skating improves.
I think Toronto will have no choice but to draft a defenseman next year with their 1st pick because they are impossible to trade for.
07 Jul 2016 16:56:54
It is to bad that JVR is not under contract for more then two years. I would love to see what kind of a season he could have if he ever played with a number #1 center. He did have a 30 goal season with Bozak . What could he have with Matthews? I think it will take atleast half a season for Matthews to get use to the speed of the NHL and fiscal play. But once he does, a players like JVR should be good for 40 goal per year. Unfortunitly I don't think he will be around long enough for us to find out.