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24 Jan 2023 13:20:16
To Arizona: Kerfoot and SDA for a late pick
To Sharks: 1st 2023, Topi Niemela, Robertson or Holmberg for Meier (1/ 2 retained
To St Louis: 1st in 2024, Engvall, Anderson or Roni Hirvoden for O’Reilly (1/ 2 retained)
If you need to add other or different pieces go for it
Total added 6.75
Total removed 6.8
Leaves ~2.0 LTIR
In off season trade Morgan Reilly to Vancouver ( if he waived NMC) and sign Meier.
Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Meier. Tavernas. Nylander
Knives. O’Rielly. Jarnkrok
ZAR. Kampf. McMahon.
1.) 24 Jan 2023 14:03:12
I would think Kerfoot has ARZ on his NTC, so not sure that deal could happen.
SJ deal seems decent in value, but may need more with the retention.
STL isn't getting any real compensation until 2024 with the 1st if they can't or don't want to re-sign Engvall. Are they looking to completely rebuild when they have all those 30ish guys with term and NTC's? I think for O'Reilly that they may be looking for a young pretty much NHL ready player. They may be more interested in say Holmberg and this years 1st with maybe a little extra if retaining.
2.) 24 Jan 2023 16:53:20
Agree May need more for St Louis this lineup would be about as good as the Leafs could get given the players on the team and cap space. If Dubas could do something like this then extend his contract. Any playoff failure wouldn’t be because he didn’t give them enough ammunition.
3.) 25 Jan 2023 00:11:07
Definitely don’t want to include Holmberg in that deal with San Jose.
Kampf may well prove to be too expensive for the Leafs to resign next summer and Holmberg will be his replacement.
15 Jan 2023 20:08:27
Reilly does not offer elite value to leafs.
Toronto trade Reilly & Kerfoot to
Vancouver for Horvath signed and Schenn
Then go get Bennett.
1.) 17 Jan 2023 03:38:22
Nice thought!
But…….
Vancouver’s left side defense already includes:
Quinn Hughes at $7.85 million
Oliver Ekman Larsson at $7.26
Morgan Reilly at $7.5?
Adding Reilly would have Canucks paying $22.61 million for just half of their top 6.
Despite Vancouver’s TERRIBLE management, I don’t see that happening.
20 Jun 2022 21:09:24
Leafs get: Sorokin 4.0
Dobson RFA
Islanders: Nylander 6.9
Sandin. RFA
Kerfoot. 3.5
1.) 21 Jun 2022 01:18:45
Like the target
I think leafs need to take another salary back
Cizikas?
And send a goalie prospect like Woll?
2.) 21 Jun 2022 02:31:27
That would be sweet but the chances of Lou trading away his #1 goaltender and arguably #2 defenseman for a soft Right Wing, a 3rd line LW/ C and Sandin are slim and none!
08 Mar 2022 19:46:08
Tor: Forsberg
Ott: SDA
Dermott
Tor: Soucy
Seattle:
04 Mar 2022 16:17:04
Tor. Miller and Demko
Van: Kerfoot
Dermott
Robertson
Lliyigren
Mzarek
1st 2022
2nd 2023.
1.) 05 Mar 2022 02:38:38
There is absolutely no way that Canucks trade their goalie of the next decade.
What you are offering from the Leafs would barely be enough to get you Miller.
Don’t forget there are 31 other teams out there looking at upgrading their lineup.
Rangers can offer a much superior package of youth and prospects and are said to have a serious interest in having Miller rejoin the team after the fateful trade with Tampa that sent both Miller and McDonough to the Lightning.
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31 Jan 2023 11:19:49
There is not a trade that the leafs are unable to make because of the cap. Some maybe more painful than others but for the current season they could make the trade.
The question becomes the impact in next year’s team and likely a few after that.
Do you go for it with everything you got or do you play along the edges and hope to get someone who makes a difference.
My view is go as all in as is possible and deal with tomorrow, tomorrow.
If they go out in first round major future implications. If the win a cup no one will care what the team looks like next year. Probably won’t be bad as you still have the core.
Let’s go all in. High end goal scorer, strong third line centre and to a lesser extent some grit on the back end.
1.) 31 Jan 2023 13:57:06
I think there is a strong argument for both sides of this.
Personally, I think they need some size with physicality upfront more than anything. I am not as down on the D as most as I feel there is lots of depth there, but not against an add like Schenn although my preference is Mikkola if he becomes available.
Upfront guys I have mentioned like McBain, Trenin, Jeannot etc I think is a need. If they could somehow get Meier and one of those 3 plus Mikkola I'd be thrilled, but Kerfoot and likely Engvall would need to go in that case. If they somehow got Jeannot, McBain and Schenn or Mikkola, I would be thrilled as well. The latter may be more possible and better in the long term.
2.) 31 Jan 2023 15:15:17
Not Schenn. He was no good when he was here and he is not good now. We would watch two games of Tampa skating around Schenn and then wonder what Dubas was thinking. Schenn doesn’t make our top 8 defense men
If Dubas is going to trade for a defense man then get a difference maker not someone who is likely to make ni difference at all or is likely a negative.
3.) 01 Feb 2023 02:31:11
I'm not anywhere near as high on Schenn as others on here, but he is fine as a depth piece. imo.
4.) 02 Feb 2023 02:03:24
Shanahan will allow Dubas to do whatever he wants. If they dont succeed this year they are gone. Shanahan Dubas Keefe. All clean house.
23 Jan 2023 21:32:58
The Leafs need a scoring left wing, a third line centre with ability to score and a Muzzin replacement
In the best of worlds Meier on the wing with Taveras. O’Reilly centre on the third line and Gavrikov on defense. Cost would be high but would you rather have a legitimate shot at the cup this year or be a continually strong regular season team?
1.) 24 Jan 2023 01:45:36
It would be great, but it is also over $16M in cap space Leafs need to have. So what deals do you have in mind?
2.) 24 Jan 2023 06:19:04
Unless Marner is moving, this can't happen.
3.) 25 Jan 2023 03:55:16
y is everyone so high on Gavrikov? Schenn is cheaper and has more points by 2 only but hey its more and has 221 hits vs 48 hits. I'll take Schenn its a no brainer for me What am I missing here.
4.) 25 Jan 2023 11:36:38
@1rexit the difference between schenn and gavrikov is that gavrikovs defensive numbers are better he’s younger as well and the biggest one is that schenn has a great contract which will drive his price up especially since so many teams a cap strapped.
5.) 25 Jan 2023 14:35:07
Gavrikov will get a bigger return. I can't see how he doesn't. We are comparing a guy playing 22 mins a night to a guy playing 17 who hasn't been more than a 3rd pair D most of his career. You don't bring in Gavrikov to play 3rd pair and you shouldn't bring in Schenn to play more than 3rd pair.
Gavrikov has been playing in the top 4 most of his time in CLB. It isn't even close between them what they would bring. Now, if someone doesn't think the Leafs should pay the price for Gavrikov and rather just get Schenn to play 3rd pair, fine. But no one should expect Schenn to play in the top 4, where Gavrikov would/ should be.
Schenn should return a 2nd at best. Gavrikov could get a 1st+, and that plus could be pretty good. imo.
6.) 26 Jan 2023 00:45:53
theres that gavrikov name again GRRRRR WHY WHY WHY
SCHENN is better in value overall. PERIOD.
7.) 26 Jan 2023 01:37:07
GOAT
Schenn has a cup. His salary is less so his cap hit to a team is less. he is older so his asking should be lower I think those 3 factors make him more appealing. Its not like their asking him to come in and be the number 1 guy here.
8.) 26 Jan 2023 14:42:19
1strndexit. We were just answering your question, so why are you frustrated to hear his name again?
Schenn is fine if you are looking for a 3rd pair guy who plays physical. You are not suggesting Schenn in the Leafs top 4 are you?
9.) 26 Jan 2023 21:56:51
not frustrated just disagreeng with your reasons
no Schenn is a 3rd pairing D man who can eat up some valuable Pk minutes and play a bigger role of need be. His best day are behind him for sure. Hes a plus player on a bad team
Gvrikov plays roughly 3 minutes more per game so not a huge amount more Schenn has 180 more hits playing 3 less minutes on avg per game.
Bothe UFA at season end. Gavrikov is going to cost you far more than Schenn will to keep just based on age alone.
Schenn expiring contract is for 850k Gavrikov 2.8M. Gavrikov due for a payhike with term Schenn about the same $ and term.
Gavrikov will cost you more to get also.
Still nor seeing the upside to this guy over a Schenn like D man sorry.
10.) 27 Jan 2023 02:02:29
If you read what I wrote, it is not much different than what you just wrote. Although Gav plays 5 mins more a night and sees tougher competition while having more takeaways and less giveaways then Schenn. It is like comparing Rielly to Benn. I would hope no one would suggest Benn is better because he has more hits. Schenn is a fine option for a 3rd pair, but Gav is a top 4 dman. Depends on what you are looking for and are willing to give up to get either of them. I already said what I thought each would cost.
21 Jun 2022 17:12:12
Time for a new song for Leaf goals, enough Hall and Oates.
New one: Blue Oyster Cult - Don’t Fear the Reaper.
1.) 22 Jun 2022 16:47:26
All set and ready for opening faceoff!
2.) 24 Jun 2022 02:55:25
I'd take slide it in by whitesnake first.
3.) 24 Jun 2022 14:12:16
That would be a good one Randy.
4.) 27 Jun 2022 00:09:28
In My Dreams
By REO speedwagon
Lol?.
04 Mar 2022 18:32:01
Regarding the trade below for Miller and Demko. I know Vancouver isn’t planning on trading Demko but no one is untouchable.
Toronto can’t win if the current goaltending continues so why no upgrade to go for it this year. The Blue Jays won in 92&93 when they went after significant players. Raptors won by trading a star, DeRosan to get Leonard. Why it strengthen the most important position on a team and don’t worry too much about the future. If you can’t get Demko go all in on the best goaltender you can get.
You may have to add a top prospect to the above trade.
1.) 04 Mar 2022 21:25:11
I don't think Demko is the move. You might be able to target a top goalie but not on a team that sees themselves as contenders going forward.
20 Jan 2022 16:32:29
After watching the Leafs get manhandled by the Rangers, I think Dubas needs to go all in on getting two solid defence men. They are in a win now zone and if they have to unload the farm go for it. They cannot win with this defence and I don't think one will make them significantly better. They need to have Muzzin and Sandin as their third pair along with Reilly and Brodie as number 1 pair. That means trading for two Bonifield top 4.
I would suggest Chychrun and Oleksiak.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to put together a fair trade for these two so if someone wants to pick up this thread and put a solid trade together, please help.
1.) 20 Jan 2022 16:41:38
Muzzin wasn't even playing in the game. Not sure why the Muzzin hate is coming out now lol.
2.) 20 Jan 2022 18:20:43
Muzzin has been bad all season. He didn’t get better by not playing against the Rangers.
3.) 20 Jan 2022 20:31:23
He hasn't been horrible. He also hasn't been Muzzin level though. I think the bigger thing we learned is what's up with Holl. Muzzin isn't in top form and Holl collapses.
19 Aug 2023 21:42:49
Slight overpay for the leafs. Take out Niemela and retention on salary then start negotiations. I like Toews but not straight up for a 40 goal scorer.
25 Feb 2023 18:37:41
People need to get over this idea of Schenn being of any value. He is slow, cannot move a puck and will be used as a pylon by Tampa forwards. He would not even be one of the top 7 defence men. We already have Ben who would not cost anything and does everything Schenn does.
I agree that the Leafs need an upgrade on defence but Schenn is not it.
26 Jan 2023 13:38:38
Like the deal but for the return should get 50% retained. That provides an additional 2.0 cap space to do something else.
24 Jan 2023 16:53:20
Agree May need more for St Louis this lineup would be about as good as the Leafs could get given the players on the team and cap space. If Dubas could do something like this then extend his contract. Any playoff failure wouldn’t be because he didn’t give them enough ammunition.
20 Jan 2023 13:48:13
Potential off season move. The Leafs playoff problems has been their lack of scoring. Don’t think it is time to trade your top scorer.
31 Jan 2023 15:15:17
Not Schenn. He was no good when he was here and he is not good now. We would watch two games of Tampa skating around Schenn and then wonder what Dubas was thinking. Schenn doesn’t make our top 8 defense men
If Dubas is going to trade for a defense man then get a difference maker not someone who is likely to make ni difference at all or is likely a negative.
20 Jan 2022 18:20:43
Muzzin has been bad all season. He didn’t get better by not playing against the Rangers.