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13 Jun 2024 13:38:49
Toronto trades Marner, Liligren
Vegas trades Theodore, Logan Thompson & Roy
Toronto trades Taveras and Kampf to Utah (waived NMC for taxes and a bigger payday in 25 &26.)
Toronto gets draft picks and an additional11 million cap space giving them about 29 million
Toronto signs. Pesce, Tanev, Domi & Lindholm
Knieves. Matthew’s. Domi
McMann. Lindholm. Nylander
Cowan. Roy. Robertson
Jarnkrok. Homburg. Dewar.
Pesce. Reilly
Theodore. McCabe
Tanev. Benoit
Woll
Thompson.
1.) 13 Jun 2024 18:41:45
I think with the Vegas trade you can’t get all three and I don’t see them wanting liljgren would just take Theodore and Thompson and Tavares isn’t waiving he’s still useful just needs to be more of a bottom six guy.
12 Jun 2024 20:08:57
There was an interesting article credited to Tommy Bennett, List word on Sports. He proposed a Taveras to Utah trade. With Utah having significant cap space, minimal tax rates and Taveras potentially owing Canada Revenue several million dollars do you think he would waive his NMC. Utah could offer him a one or two year contract for much more than he would get from Toronto. The leafs if they really wanted to clear space could even throw in a few other players that Utah may like. Examples, Liligren, Kampf. Nemina
Any decision on Marner could be separate from this.
If able to do this with Taveras, it frees up 12 million to go free agent shopping
Thoughts.
1.) 13 Jun 2024 00:23:31
It’s a nice idea I just don’t see the incentive for Tavares to go to a team like Utah it’s not like they are close to a cup.
2.) 13 Jun 2024 02:35:42
Tavares isn’t going to agree to that.
3.) 13 Jun 2024 03:14:28
I was wondering myself, if Tavares’s multi million dollar problem with Revenue Canada might be a huge motivating factor in his decisions whether to wave his NTC for Utah.
Leafs could retain $2 million as a motivator for Utah Venom leaving them on the hook for $9M this coming season.
Utah gets a two time captain, HOFer to mentor all of their youth and prospects.
Utah could then offer Tavares an extension of 2 year deal for $7M per.
That would probably be close to twice the $3.5M the Leafs would be offering.
Clears up Tavares’s issues with Rev Can.
Plus there would be substantial savings in the difference between Ontario taxes and Utah taxes on this years salary as well as the salary negotiated in the extension.
It’s a lot of money to turn down at the tail end of your career.
Especially with Rev. Can. breathing heavily down your neck.
In return Utah could send Leafs Bujgstad ($2.1) to be Leafs 3rd line center in 202$ - 25.
03 Jun 2024 18:21:26
Hypothetical starting lineup for 24/ 25 leafs
I haven’t included all the moves but the main one is Marner to Vegas for Theodore. Most of the other moves are free agent signings. The emphasis is improving the defense, especially ability to move puck and quarterback for the power play. This list of players is right at the cap.
Suggest moves to make this lineup better with the understanding that money in must go out.
Goal $2.8
Woll, Stolarz, Jones.
Defense $27.5
Montour
Theodore
Reilly
Zadorov
McCabe
Benoit
Liligren
Forwards. $56.5
Knies Matthew’s. Domi
McMahon. Taveras. Nylander
Joshua. Blindfold. Jarnkrok
Cowan. Homburg. Dewar
Milton. Reeves.
1.) 03 Jun 2024 19:01:38
Blindfold is meant to be Elias Lindholm. Also realize this lineup does not have a true fourth line.
2.) 03 Jun 2024 20:26:26
I'd really like to know what you signed these guys for.
3.) 03 Jun 2024 21:25:22
DGC07
Can you please show your contract signing amounts?
These numbers don't look realistic.
4.) 03 Jun 2024 22:18:48
The signing amounts were taken from a web site with expected amounts. I may have been low on Liligren as I thought he was signed for next year.
I checked two sites and they were consistent except for Lindholm. One showed 7 and one showed 5. I used 5. If this is low and 7 is correct then you may have to get rid of jarnkrok and replace with Steeves.
5.) 03 Jun 2024 23:45:02
The numbers for each player are listed in the Leafs Talk section. I didn’t realize that Liljegren was a restricted free agent and used his current salary.
Also I found two different projections for Elias Lindholm. I used 5.0 and the other site said 7.0 million. If the 7 is what you think he’d get then I would probably trade Jarnkrock and replace him with Steeves. I think the numbers are realistic based on sites showing expected free agent salaries. If you think they are off then make suggestions on who to replace.
6.) 03 Jun 2024 23:56:16
The site I looked at were considerably higher.
Leafs will definitely have lots of cap space if they trade Marner.
I'm thinking if they get Theodore as per your trade prop, Montour really isn't needed. Leafs already would have a 1A & 1B PP guy in Theodore and Rielly. Spend a bit less to pick up a solid defensive Dman, someone like Roy who would be at least $1M/ $2M cheaper. And possibly aim for Stephenson who should be cheaper than Lindholm. Anyways, lots of options open up with Marner out.
Let's see if the Leafs actually trade him or he waives. I honestly believe Marner isn't going anywhere.
7.) 04 Jun 2024 02:07:43
Marner for Theodore is ridiculous.
Montour will want too much money
Zadorov will want too much money.
Joshua will want too much money after his breakout year at 28 years old.
That lineup is not as strong as the one Leafs iced this year.
8.) 04 Jun 2024 02:42:24
@waterbuffalo the object was to improve in the fantasy leafs team. Your reply didn’t even attempt to do this nor did you give any reasons for your views. It is easy to say the trade of Marner for Theodore is ridiculous but why.
I’ll take your approach, your comment that this lineup is not as strong as last year is ridiculous. Obviously no need to explain.
24 Jan 2023 13:20:16
To Arizona: Kerfoot and SDA for a late pick
To Sharks: 1st 2023, Topi Niemela, Robertson or Holmberg for Meier (1/ 2 retained
To St Louis: 1st in 2024, Engvall, Anderson or Roni Hirvoden for O’Reilly (1/ 2 retained)
If you need to add other or different pieces go for it
Total added 6.75
Total removed 6.8
Leaves ~2.0 LTIR
In off season trade Morgan Reilly to Vancouver ( if he waived NMC) and sign Meier.
Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Meier. Tavernas. Nylander
Knives. O’Rielly. Jarnkrok
ZAR. Kampf. McMahon.
1.) 24 Jan 2023 14:03:12
I would think Kerfoot has ARZ on his NTC, so not sure that deal could happen.
SJ deal seems decent in value, but may need more with the retention.
STL isn't getting any real compensation until 2024 with the 1st if they can't or don't want to re-sign Engvall. Are they looking to completely rebuild when they have all those 30ish guys with term and NTC's? I think for O'Reilly that they may be looking for a young pretty much NHL ready player. They may be more interested in say Holmberg and this years 1st with maybe a little extra if retaining.
2.) 24 Jan 2023 16:53:20
Agree May need more for St Louis this lineup would be about as good as the Leafs could get given the players on the team and cap space. If Dubas could do something like this then extend his contract. Any playoff failure wouldn’t be because he didn’t give them enough ammunition.
3.) 25 Jan 2023 00:11:07
Definitely don’t want to include Holmberg in that deal with San Jose.
Kampf may well prove to be too expensive for the Leafs to resign next summer and Holmberg will be his replacement.
15 Jan 2023 20:08:27
Reilly does not offer elite value to leafs.
Toronto trade Reilly & Kerfoot to
Vancouver for Horvath signed and Schenn
Then go get Bennett.
1.) 17 Jan 2023 03:38:22
Nice thought!
But…….
Vancouver’s left side defense already includes:
Quinn Hughes at $7.85 million
Oliver Ekman Larsson at $7.26
Morgan Reilly at $7.5?
Adding Reilly would have Canucks paying $22.61 million for just half of their top 6.
Despite Vancouver’s TERRIBLE management, I don’t see that happening.
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10 Feb 2026 17:06:08
Why are so many here wanting to trade McMaan. While I understand if you can’t extend him then you have to trade him but even a first round pick will not score 20-25 goals for at least 5 years. By then the entire Lesf situation may have changed. If you are loooking for a rebuild maybe. If you think a retool works then not extending him, if possible, is just plain stupid.
1.) 10 Feb 2026 22:28:43
Thank you DG. Finally someone on my side. Suffering was too. This guy is worth the 5M he will be getting and he is not even 30. I do not get these posts where people are talking retool and then go n to trade Bobby, makes no sense to me.
2.) 10 Feb 2026 22:46:46
Because he is 30 and may want 5-6m on the open market. It really all comes down to what his price is for me.
3.) 10 Feb 2026 23:45:01
Because he will fetch the leafs the most like it’s been said 1000x he’s going to be 30 so maybe you get another 2-3 good years then your stuck with a 5 million dollar contract I like mcmann he’s been a great find but as fans we can’t love everyone not to mention the leafs can just say to him we are trading you but what to sign you in the summer I think just standing pat with guys only furthers he downfall of the team.
4.) 11 Feb 2026 12:03:15
Keep him or trade him, which is the way to go?
Two things can be true at the same time. You are not going to find a bigger McMann supporter than I have been and am. It goes back to when the Leafs signed him. That said, asset management side would say get an asset for him as the Leafs aren't contending this year.
I say, if he isn't willing to sign now and/ or wants to test the free agent market, the GM should get an asset return over letting him walk. So yes, best to re-sign him imo, but no one can force him to re-sign here. He said he is "open to it", but did not say he wants to re-sign and stay a Leaf like Laughton has.
If the Leafs looked like a contender this year, that also changes things as he could be an "own rental. " They are not looking like a contender though. Odds are against them to even make the playoffs. People are mad at Tre for not trading Marner and letting him walk, somehow forgetting he tried, but Marner blocked the trade. Tre will take heat for letting any potential UFA walk this year as well. That includes McMann.
Ultimately, it would be best for McMann to extend before the deadline as I want him to stay. If he won't, I am not against the Leafs trading him to get an asset back over letting him go to free agency, if that is what his plan is. If they did move him and say for instance he went to Anaheim and Leafs got back Luneau or Luneau +, I'd say that is smart management. Can always offer McMann a contract in free agency still should he get there. If they got both my targets for McMann, Luneau and Colangelo, which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility, I would have a tough time blaming management for doing the trade.
And if he re-ups with the team he gets traded to before free agency hits, but wouldn't here before the deadline, that could very well show he wasn't to keen on staying.
Bottom line, imo, Leafs can't just sit and hope McMann re-signs. They have to have commitment from him or they need to move him and get the most assets back they can.
I'd offer him up to 6 years at about $4.25-$4.5M. If that is "not even close" according to his agent, then have to move him as he isn't committed to staying.
5.) 11 Feb 2026 13:25:04
Well this one is definitely our biggest dilemma and you folks covered it well.
It safe to say there are good reasons both for and against.
That said I’d definitely shop him and hope for a big return. I’m a believer that at least one contender will step and overpay for McMann.
If that occurs I’d pull the trigger and not look back.
If folks believe McMann will score 25+ goals this year there will be, in all likelihood,100+ NHL players who will do the same thing. So replacing him is not unreasonable.
If the Leafs can’t get a 1st and a decent prospect (just like we’ve done each of the last 3-4 years) then we keep him.
The Leafs are not buyers this year, as someone stated, so let’s swing for the fence and re-tool on the fly by trading our 30+ yo players and focus on hi-ceiling D+1 picks.
6.) 11 Feb 2026 21:55:03
Just like we pulled the trigger on Hyman, Kadri, Rask, McCann and didn’t look back Randy. Not saying he is in Hymans level but Zach wasn’t putting up massive goal totals until he went to Edmonton. McMann is under used and when another team sees his potential, there goes another Hyman.
19 May 2025 13:12:54
There are many things that could/ should be done but the three easiest decisions to me are:
Trade Reilly - this is a waste of 7.5 million
Let Marner walk
Let Taveras walk or make him a third line winger at 4-5 million
Along with some minor decisions, you would have 25-30 million to rebuild.
1.) 19 May 2025 14:31:39
Agreed, although I wouldn't even give JT that much. I agree with Berube - The mentality of the team needs to change. And that mentality is created by the core. Tre has his work cut out for him.
14 Mar 2025 23:39:24
Not entirely sure the rules around the cap so don’t know if this is legit.
Marner wants 13 million a year for 8 years. If the Leafs pay it out monthly over that period, the present value of the contract is approximately 85 million at 5%. Cap hit of 13 million per year. Marner gets 104 million in cash with a value today of 85 million
If the Leafs gave Marner a 90 million contract over 8 years but payable at 28 million a year for three years as a bonus with the remaining 6million payed monthly the leafs total cash payout is 90 million with a cash value today of approximately 85 million.
The leafs cash payout in option 2 is 14 million less yet Marner gets the same value.
The cap hit to Toronto is 13 million in first scenario and 11.25 million in scenario 2. The value of the money going to Marner is worth the same in today’s dollars.
Is there something in the league rules that would forbid this?
1.) 15 Mar 2025 03:21:20
What? I'm sorry, I am not following this monthly pay thing over total contract value. To my knowledge, A bonus is typically paid July 1 I believe of every year a bonus is applied. The salary that is left is divided on a per game basis, not per month. The total value of the contract is how the AAV is determined. $104M is still $104M and $90M is $90M. No way around that I am aware of.
2.) 15 Mar 2025 10:50:48
The present value of both contracts is approximately the same for Marner under either scenario. But, the cap to the leafs is less under scenario 2.
3.) 15 Mar 2025 13:08:18
My point is, you can't give a guy cash (and not count it or whatever), or pay him monthly or "under the table" and not count it as part of his contract. You give him $104M total, it's a $104M against the cap and a $13M cap hit.
You give him $90M total over 8 years, It's $90M and an $11.25M cap hit.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with this monthly that somehow makes $104M only worth $85M cash value or how $90M somehow becomes $85M in cash value and then Marner somehow gets the same amount of money in each scenario, but the Leafs cap hit will be less. If it is possible to somehow pay a guy less to bring down his cap hit, yet he somehow gets the same money in his pocket as a higher paid deal with a bigger cap hit, don't you think teams would have figured this out by now and every team would be doing it?
4.) 15 Mar 2025 17:13:10
RLF I have no clue either.
DCG07 if he get $104M/ 8yrs, it's $13M against the cap per year as RLF has said. Leafs can pay him signing bonuses up front and every July 1st, so he gets less actual cash in season. But it's always going to be $13M cap hit each year.
The one advantage I see for the team is in case of trading the player down the line. The team acquiring the player will pay less actual dollars because the player would have already been paid more money up front, but as I said, the cap hit will always be $13M.
Hope this makes sense.
12 Mar 2025 22:37:57
Not entirely sure the rules around the cap so don’t know if this is legit.
Marner wants 13 million a year for 8 years. If the Leafs pay it out monthly over that period, the present value of the contract is approximately 85 million at 5%. Cap hit of 13 million per year
If the Leafs gave Marner a 90 million contract over 8 years but payable at 28 million a year as a bonus with the remaining 4 million payed monthly the cap hit would be approximately 11 million.
1.) 13 Mar 2025 08:08:50
Aav is average annual value. Doesn't matter if he gets it all day one or the last day of the deal, same cap hit.
03 Jun 2024 22:42:17
Montour. 6.5. Theodore. 5.2
Reilly. 7.5. Benoit. 1.4
Zadorov. 3.5. McCabe. 2.0
Liligren. 1.4
Matthew’s. 13.3. Domi. 4.0. Knies. .9
Taveras. 11. McCann 1.4. Nylander 11.5
Lindholm. 5.0. Joshua.
15 Dec 2025 22:10:12
Not saying the offense at all costs works in the playoffs but the pendulam has swung too far the other way. They don’t forecheck on score dirty goals. Right now the system they are attempting and they do not have the speed to play the structure they are trying to play. Also, your odds of winning when Reilly is playing diminishes quickly. He has been on the ice for 38 goals against and the next closest I think is 25.
15 Dec 2025 13:04:23
You can make all the trades you want but until the 1990’s style of Berube is changed this group of players will not succeed. Usually the coach gets fired because you can’t fire all the players. In this case, getting rid of Berube’s system will likely improve the team. In most games the Leafs are outshot and outchanced by a 2/ 1 ratio. The power play sucks. This is structural. This team has already given up on Berube.
22 Jan 2025 15:15:12
Never.
18 Jul 2024 20:57:06
Like the trades but not sure you need to throw in the 2nd round pick in the Calgary trade nor Jarnkrok in the Montreal trade. If doing it for cap space just can trade Jarnkrok for a low draft pick. Like the players you’ve targeted.
18 Jun 2024 22:57:49
I’d do this in a minute if Vegas would give up both defensemen.
15 Mar 2025 10:50:48
The present value of both contracts is approximately the same for Marner under either scenario. But, the cap to the leafs is less under scenario 2.
27 Jun 2024 14:06:25
Not a huge Chychrun fan. Several defense I’d go after before him.
14 Jun 2024 20:09:34
Tags, I think you are probably correct. I was responding to the lineup Goat 2.0 put together, which I like except for having Taveras as a 3rd line centre at 11 million. I made it clear that it is unlikely to happen but there is a slight opportunity to do something because of the current tax audit. He may never waive his no trade but if I’m the GM I am doing everything in my power to move him if the team came together as Goat suggests.
That may include convincing another team to take Taveras and offer him a two year agreement at a higher rate that he’d likely get on the market. This would require Toronto definitely sweetening the pot but if it can be done I’d do it in a minute. Then go shopping with the 11 million. Highly unlikely but I’d sure as hell would try.
14 Jun 2024 15:43:50
Doesn’t address the issue of a third line centre making. 11 million. The point isn’t that the CRA will still come after him, it’s that he could possibly make more money in a tax free or low tax environment. Nice to know that the leafs and Taveras agent have checked in to let you know what is going to happen next year. Any other insights.
14 Jun 2024 13:18:54
I like this. The only thing I would try to do is trade Taveras. I know it is a long shot but his tax problems may play into him waiving his no trade. May not happen but in the current line up the leafs are paying 11 million for a third line centre. The return you get is irrelevant. Another 11 million in cap space would go a long way to making this team even better. Imagine adding Guentzel, Reinhart or Lindholm.