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17 Jun 2024 18:28:39
4 teams rumoured to be in on Marner deal. I’ll throw a trade out there from each team to see what everyone likes. VGK, Nash, Dal and Chi are the teams linked to him.

To Vgk: Marner, RFA Lily rights

To Tor: Theodore, Nick Roy

2.) To Nsh : Marner, RFA Lily, Robertson

To Tor: Saros, Nyquist (I know he is 35 but check out his stats and pay. He could help us for 2 more seasons), Lauzon, 2nd rd pick 2025 (could come in handy at Trade deadline day.

3.) To Dal: Marner, RFA Lily, Robertson

To Tor: Benn (cap purposes), Harley (future stud)

4.) To Chi: Marner, Jarnkrok.

To Tor: Murphy, RFA rights to Entwistle, 1st rd pick 2025 (frees up a lot of cap space to after D in Free agency as well)

Anyone have any better trades with these teams they would like to offer? Let’s hear them!

Clarky17

1.) 17 Jun 2024 20:00:33
For me 100% Vegas deal, I love Theodore (with signed extention) and Roy (solid 3C, needs to work on faceoffs though, maybe JT can help) .
This deal saves us $4M+ in cap as well to go after 2 UFA D-men.

PP1 & 2 are set from the point

Rielly Pesce/ Tanev
Theodore Roy/ Carrier
Benoit McCabe

This looks like a solid D-core no matter which 2 of the 4 you pick IMO.


2.) 17 Jun 2024 21:41:20
Vegas one for me as well. The big thing is that you only really need one very good higher priced RD after that, Imo
I would have it

Theodore Roy/ Pesce
Rielly McCabe
Benoit

For the 6 spot. Could Hakaanpa be had for around $2-$2.5M per? Or take a flyer on Phillipe Myers at minimum and let him, Niemela and Timmins fight for the 6/ 7 spot.


3.) 18 Jun 2024 02:37:48
Not a Theodore fan due to his penchant for incurring serious injuries.
Over the past 4 seasons Theodore has managed to play 47, 55, 78 and 53 games.
You are not an asset if you are not available.
Players that are chronically injured through their careers usually continue to suffer from serious injuries.
As they get into their 30s injuries continue to happen with more regularity and take longer to heal from.

Saros is okay this year at $5 M but will want $9+ on his extension after he sees Shesterkin get $11 - $12.
Leafs do not want or need a $9+ million dollar goaltender.
Trading Tavares expiring contract for a $9 - $10 million dollar extension for Saros does not seem like good planning to me. I
Plus Nyquist at 35 years of age has absolutely no future benefit for the Leafs.
Nyquist out, Evangelista in.

Benn is a burden.
Harley by himself is not enough to acquire Marner let alone have the Leafs add Liljegren and Robertson.
Substantial overpayment by the Leafs.

Murphy is a 31 year old, 2nd pairing RHD that Leafs can acquire in free agency in Pesce, Roy, Walker, DeMelo.
No need to trade Marner for him.
The 1st round pick in 2025 will not be of any assistance until 2027 to Leafs bid for for a Stanley Cup and by then Nylander and Matthews will be in their 30s.

If Leafs can not get a higher end player Marner’s age or younger as well as a 2024 - 1st round pick or “A” prospect then I would just as soon keep him for the year and resign him if possible.
If not possible Leafs accrue Marner’s $10.9 and Tavares’s $11 million on July1st 2025.

Interesting proposals but none that I would wish to see consummated.


4.) 18 Jun 2024 09:33:14
Haha WB. Let me know when they make an NHL player that fits your standards. You literally crap on every single player.


5.) 18 Jun 2024 11:55:31
Lol, good one Clarky!


6.) 19 Jun 2024 00:57:31
@Clarky lol. Well played.


 

 

17 Jun 2024 03:50:15
Here is my kick at next year;
1st trade:
To VGK: Marner, rights to Lily

To Tor: Theodore, Roy

2nd trade: Jarnkrok to anywhere for a 4th rd pick

Free agent signings:
Roy: 4 years @ 5.25M
Carrier: 3 years @ 2.5M
Domi: 4 years @ 4.25M
Joshua: 4 years @ 3M
Nedelkovich: 2 years @ 2.5M
Jones: 1 year @ 1M

Lineup:
McMann Matthews Domi
Knies Tavares Nylander
Joshua Roy Cowan
Holmberg Kampf Reaves

Rielly Roy
Theodore McCabe
Benoit Carrier

Woll/ Ned
Jones

Love the looks of this lineup and curious to see what Cowan could bring! Go Leafs Go!

Clarky17

1.) 17 Jun 2024 11:46:55
I love most of the targets.
Just haven't heard of any Roy links to Toronto.
Anyways, I think you're light on both AAV & term for Roy & Carrier.
Roy $5.8M/ 5 or 6 years.
Carrier $4M/ 4yrs

Too much term for Domi & Joshua IMO.

No interest on Ned, rather Brossoit, Stolaz or Lankinen.

Honestly, I think we're getting Tanev & Zadorov. I like Tanev, but not Zadorov (especially for what he's asking) .


2.) 17 Jun 2024 12:20:55
Yes there is still around 4M in cap space with this lineup. So a bump to Roy and Carrier isn’t a problem. Don’t think you will get Domi or Joshua unless ut comes with 4 year terms. These guys are in their prime at. 28-29, so I don’t mind a 4 year deal. Not sure why people don’t like Ned, he has been putting up great numbers and even stole the net from Jarry on a few occasions last year. I hope Treliving is not stuck on Tanev. He is gonna want a bump and some term. To me it looks like he is breaking down and could they way he plays, I see him spending time in IR.


3.) 17 Jun 2024 13:12:22
Personally, I just like bigger goalie's, that's why I've soured on Saros as well.
Saros 5'11"
Ned 6'0"
Lankinen 6'2"
Brossoit 6'3"
Stolrz 6'6"

Joshua might be a flash in the pan, I'm worry about paying him so much based on his best season. Maybe Trenin may be a better target?

I think a Vegas trade for Theodore+ would be amazing and help put us in the right direction.
Anyways, lots of options out there. Hopefully Tre makes the right
choices.


4.) 17 Jun 2024 14:30:09
Clarky. No exactly what I would like, but I see where you are going with it by building a great D core.
Mostly I agree with what Tags wrote. Carrier gets a raise. Not thrilled with Ned. Careful of one year wonders like Joshua on contracts term and money.


5.) 17 Jun 2024 18:09:46
Thanks Tags and RLF for your inputs. Joshua is only making 3M. He plays the right way (which is what stands out to me) takes the body, plays physical, Tocchet used him as a PK’er and was chipping in offensively. I don’t expect him to have the same point production as last year but if he brings the rest of what he has to the table I’d be happy with that pick up, especially going into playoffs.
Not exactly sure on why no one wants Ned. Jarry would be shipped out of town this off season if dumbass didn’t just give him an extension.


6.) 17 Jun 2024 19:10:46
Clarky, it's a raise from $.825M to $3M. Big money for someone maybe 25 points if you think he will drop off some. Around $2-$2.4M I am good with.


 

 

28 May 2024 20:57:02
To Tor: Saros, Nyquist, Carrier

To Nash: Marner, Hildeby, RFA rights to Lily.

Sign D : Roy, Zadorov
F: Domi, Debrusk

Knies Matthews Domi
Nyquist JT Debrusk
McMann Holmberg Nylander
Minten Kampf Reaves

Rielly McCabe
Zadorov Roy
Benoit Carrier

Saros
Woll.

Clarky17

1.) 28 May 2024 21:59:10
Like it except hate to give up Hilbey I think he has the pedigree of a future number 1. Maybe offer peska or Petruzzelli.


2.) 29 May 2024 02:12:29
Nyquist is 34 and will be 35 on September 1st.
Why would Leafs want him?
Carriere is a UFA so no need to trade for him just sign him if you wish.

So effectively you are trading Marner (a top 10 winger in the league), Hildeby (Leafs top goaltending prospects) and Liljegren a 25 year old RHD for Saros.

Not a trade I would like to see the Leafs make!


3.) 29 May 2024 02:40:54
Yes. Nyquist is 34 but check out his stats he was almost a point per game player 75 pts in 81 games.


4.) 29 May 2024 10:45:05
Ya Leafs1993, but he is 34. Who cares how many points he has. ?‍♂️. We just need to put something together for the next 3/ 4 years while we still have Matthews. Nyquist is cheap and can play on the top line if needed. Didn’t realize Carrier is a UFA but can replace him for a 3rd rd pick and get him in free agency. I know everyone just wants young and upcoming forwards in their young 20’s but not easy to do. Plus we need guys that are ready now, not still developing. Also have to remember that you are not going to get Marners worth in a trade when all the other teams know they want to part ways with Mitch.


5.) 29 May 2024 13:17:27
I think you can just go Marner and Lily for Saros, Nyquist and Carrier (rights) . Nash has Askarov and could re-sign Lankinen to pair with him. As I stated in the past and in my trade below, Marner with Forsberg and O'Reilly would have to be enticing for Nashville. Add to that a bottom pair RD they get. For Toronto, #1 goalie, top 6 vet forward on an expiring contract and ability to sign a top 4 RD would seem like a win for both sides. Nash makes sense, although I do wonder if the trade Saros, are they wanting a centre back as that is where they are weakest.


6.) 30 May 2024 00:23:07
Replace Nyquist with Jeremy Lauzon and we might have a deal but certainly not the almost 35 year old Nyquist.


 

 

27 May 2024 18:11:23
To Tor: Nichuskin, Manson, 2nd rd pick in 2025

To Col: Marner, RFA rights to Lily, 4th rd pick in 2024.

Clarky17

1.) 27 May 2024 21:42:27
Nick using mighht be free soon.


2.) 27 May 2024 23:14:39
Ninchuskin is a red flag right now. I'd let him deal with his issues first.


3.) 28 May 2024 00:18:03
Nichuskin obviously has serious demons that the Leafs do not want or need on their roster.


 

 

21 May 2024 16:53:05
Total reboot to build for playoffs:
UFA signings:
Domi - 4yrs - 3.75M
Debrusk - 2 yrs- 4.5M
Broissoit - 2yrs - 2.5M
Talbot - 1yr - 1M
Desharnais - 4yrs - 2.25M
Cousins - 2yrs - 1.5M

Trades 1.)

To Cgy: Nylander, Niemela, 1st rd 2024, rights to Lily

To Tor: Weegar, Coleman

Trade 2.)

To Sea: Marner, 3rd rd pick 2026

To Tor: Larsson, Gourde

Jarnkrok to ANH for a 4th rd 2024

New Lines:

Knies Matthews Domi
McMann JT Debrusk
Coleman Kampf Gourde
Cousins Holmberg Reaves
Minten - 1st call up

Rielly Weegar
McCabe Larsson
Benoit Desharnais
Webber Timmins

1. Woll, 2. Brossoit, 3. Talbot.

Clarky17

1.) 22 May 2024 19:14:31
Nylander is not going anywhere. Also, in no world are the Leafs adding a 1st to a trade with Calgary plus a top prospect.

As well, for Marner, the Leafs laugh and hang up the phone, swap Gourde for Wright and maybe, but still would want Seattle to add a 2nd round pick.


2.) 23 May 2024 00:19:07
Lol you put the Leafs on a pedestal I see. Weegar is one of the best D in the league RN if not, the best. There is a lot more value in a D than a RW, so Leafs definitely add a first and Cgy would still probably say no.
We don’t need Wright. We have enough young guys ready to make the jump when needed. I don’t think he is going to be what everyone thinks. Course shows up when the games matter.


3.) 23 May 2024 00:25:01
@Clarky if that was for Rasmus Anderson maybe, but not for Weegar. As much as I do like Weegar.


 

 

 

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09 May 2024 14:20:06
Keefe has been let go! Who is the new blood? Berube?

Clarky17

1.) 09 May 2024 18:43:56
Berube. 100%.


2.) 09 May 2024 20:34:44
They may hold off because what if Dubas wants to re-unite with Keefe and Sullivan becomes available. I joked a while back of a Keefe for Sullivan trade. He's been in Pitt for 8 years, so who knows. I wouldn't be against Sullivan as the Leafs coach.


3.) 10 May 2024 00:15:31
What do you guys think about Julien?
I'm honestly not high on Berube.


4.) 10 May 2024 02:58:17
@Tags I would personally prefer it to be Gallant, but I would take Berube over Julien.

Never been a fan of his.

Now, I have openly stated how much I dislike Paul Maurice as a coach, so take that with a grain of salt lol.


5.) 10 May 2024 19:25:07
I honestly think the leafs are waiting on Berube to see if they can pry Rod out of Carolina. If Carolina gets swept for a 2nd straight year in the playoffs he could be available. If it's not Rod I put my money on Berube.


 

 

06 May 2024 13:37:47
Off-season to do list:
Fire coaching staff and Shanny, trade Marner, resign JT to a team friendly deal, move Jarnkrok, sign a solid goalie to back up Woll (Ned from Pitts is my target for around 2.5M) Go after 3 solid RHD. I posted on the trade side as well but Roy, Larsson and Desharnais would be my targets.

Clarky17

1.) 06 May 2024 15:21:15
Not sure about you, but I think Marner's value has really dropped. Yes, he is a 90-100 pt regular season winger with a ton of offensive talent. But, he didn't look comfortable playing a playoff style game. He typically produces points in the playoffs (not this one), but he likes it more wide open and free flowing. I am really not sure at that cap hit and expected new contract ask, what he is worth trade value wise.


2.) 06 May 2024 18:26:45
@RLF we are not winning with him. We said the same thing about Nylander so we had to sign him. We just keep resigning these guys because the trade value isn’t there? So we lose a trade to make our team better, no? I’m not sure I get your train of thought here. Keep going with the core 4 because no one will give us the trade value we expect for Mitch?!? Of course not, we aren’t the only ones noticing that he doesn’t elevate his game for playoffs. The cap space is what is intriguing, so we can go get a guy like Roy in the off-season, anything we can get back for Mitch is a bonus.


3.) 06 May 2024 20:13:06
Clarky. No man, I have said it's time to trade Mitch and posted numerous props to move him. I have also argued the cap space is the gold of it. I was simply (or maybe not so simply, my bad) saying I am not sure what you think, but I think his value has really dropped.

I don't think the return will be what some think and I don't think there will be a ton of takers even if he waives his NMC because of his cap hit and new contract ask he likely wants. Utah should be the most interested. Nashville, Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago for instance should all have interest, with Nashville being the most likely interest to Marner if he wants a chance to win now.


4.) 06 May 2024 22:03:50
Well sorry RLF, I thought you were insinuating to keep him. Yes I think his stock has dropped. 8 years of being average in playoffs but wanting 11-12M. I think he is going to be humbled by his next contract offers because no one is going to give him over what he is already making. Those markets you mentioned and Seattle has money too. I would have to think Mitch wants out of here as much as we want him traded, he is not blind to all the negative talk about him. I can see him asking for a smaller hockey market like Nashville or Seattle but time will tell I guess.


5.) 07 May 2024 01:20:48
Only way you get a solid return for Marner (imo), is to retain 50%. In reality, I would probably retain on Marner does the right return. I just don't see him as getting as much as Willy could have when he was making 6.9.


6.) 07 May 2024 13:24:58
LL. I'm not sure on the Nylander comparison. Tree admitted he looked into moving Nylander and there wasn't a reasonable deal to be had. I think that mainly came down to Nylander's asking price on his next contract. He got $11.5M per from Toronto. I think it is safe to assume his ask was $12M+ per, which plummeted his stock. I see the same kind of situation for Marner.


7.) 07 May 2024 19:54:59
@RLF That's a good point. Either they're traded as rentals for less value, or you need an extension.


 

 

06 May 2024 13:31:25
My 3 D targets for the offseason:
1.) Aquire Larsson (along with McCann for ex. ) in a deal for Marner.
2.) sign Roy 4 years around 5M+
3.) Desharnais from the Oilers is a UFA. Would love to get him for around 1.5M for 2 years to play with Benoit on the 3rd pair.

Rielly Larsson
McCabe Roy
Benoit Desharnais- this D core can bring us a Cup.

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27 Apr 2024 17:08:33
Dewar is out and Robertson plays on the 4th line. Good decision ?‍♂️.

Clarky17

1.) 27 Apr 2024 18:41:32
Keefe makes a lot of confusing decisions, but this one is something else. Dewar has been a momster on that 4th line.


2.) 27 Apr 2024 18:58:11
If he actually does it, how stupid do you have to be. The 4th line has arguably been the best line shift to shift in their role. So the plan is, break it up. Better sit McCabe and bring in Lavoie as well, as that would make about as much sense.


3.) 27 Apr 2024 22:11:19
Galaxy Brain Keefe, never change dummy!
Agreed we need more offense, but that's what Nylander hopefully is bringing tonight.
Keep Dewarb8n the line up.


 

 

25 Apr 2024 10:29:40
Well Folks who starts game 4? Do we ride Sammy out or give Woll a chance? Tough one, I think if you take Sammy out, his confidence is shot and Woll may not be any better. But I personally think Woll has more upside and is our goalie of the future so might as well get him in there to see how he handles it? I’m up in the air in this one.

Clarky17

1.) 25 Apr 2024 12:34:35
Keefe doesn’t have the stones to make the switch end of the day stars are not being stars so doesn’t matter who’s in the net goalies can’t score.


2.) 25 Apr 2024 12:44:51
Clarky. Last night I don't think the Leafs played overly well, but Sammy was OK. OK isn't good enough. The first goal, just over 2 minutes left in the 2nd period, he gets beat short side from the side boards. Can't go in. The second goal, first two minutes of the 3rd, shot hits him in the glove it drops out right in front of him for an easy rebound goal. That's not good enough. He made some nice saves, but in a 1-0 game, that tying goal was brutal. Sammy has had one poor game, then a great game then an ok game. I still think Woll should have been the goalie to start game 1.

Let's go to Keefe. His decision to up Marner's playing time is a complete head scratcher. Yes, Marner made a nice play on the 1st goal, but was mostly brutal and Keefe insists on giving him ice-time to "get him going. " This is the playoffs, not regular season. You play the guys who are going. He took ice from the 4th line and gave it to the 2nd line. Reaves played 7 mins, Dewar 10 and Kampf 12:45 last night while Marner got a series high of over 23 mins. At this point, if Willy still can't go Saturday, then I would actually rather see Robertson tale Marner's spot on the 2nd line and Marner go to the 3rd line. If Willy can, then Robertson sits, Willy 2nd line and Marner 3rd line.

The whole Dubas style needs to go. Keefe should have been let go and replaced before the season started. I think Tree has built a better playoff style team, but he made a mistake in keeping Keefe. imo.


3.) 25 Apr 2024 17:59:32
@RLF that's pretty much exactly what I would have said as well.

Sammy hasn't been bad, but you don't win letting in these mediocre goals. I think Sammy will start unless it's really bad.

Mitchy does this every year. I have no doubt this is just who he is. He cannot play in physical series'. He doesn't match up well with the B's or Cats.

Willy plays the same style of trying to avoid getting hit, but he's a much better skater, and does a better job avoiding contact without looking scared. Not to say Willy is any different, he does make horrible decisions to avoid contact, but less often.


 

 

 

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18 Jun 2024 09:33:14
Haha WB. Let me know when they make an NHL player that fits your standards. You literally crap on every single player.

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17 Jun 2024 18:31:48
I would have rather kept Marner for 8 years at 11.5M over Nylander. At least he plays defence in his own end. What star player on one of the top Cup contending team gets away with the half assed, no heart efforts on the defensive side of the puck? They both turn the puck over too much at the blue lines. Maybe we should get rid of both. Lol.

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17 Jun 2024 18:09:46
Thanks Tags and RLF for your inputs. Joshua is only making 3M. He plays the right way (which is what stands out to me) takes the body, plays physical, Tocchet used him as a PK’er and was chipping in offensively. I don’t expect him to have the same point production as last year but if he brings the rest of what he has to the table I’d be happy with that pick up, especially going into playoffs.
Not exactly sure on why no one wants Ned. Jarry would be shipped out of town this off season if dumbass didn’t just give him an extension.

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17 Jun 2024 12:20:55
Yes there is still around 4M in cap space with this lineup. So a bump to Roy and Carrier isn’t a problem. Don’t think you will get Domi or Joshua unless ut comes with 4 year terms. These guys are in their prime at. 28-29, so I don’t mind a 4 year deal. Not sure why people don’t like Ned, he has been putting up great numbers and even stole the net from Jarry on a few occasions last year. I hope Treliving is not stuck on Tanev. He is gonna want a bump and some term. To me it looks like he is breaking down and could they way he plays, I see him spending time in IR.

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17 Jun 2024 03:40:07
Shoulda quit while you were ahead. Marner wouldn’t waive to Ottawa and you think they would add 2- 1st rd picks to that as well? I think you are overvaluing the Leafs players a bit too much.

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17 Jun 2024 12:31:25
Where is the playoff numbers Mackin. Not sure why you don’t seem to care about playoffs. Robertson was a ghost while Debrusk was eating us alive. Need players that elevate their game when it matters Mackin not go in to their turtle shell. So yes I would 150% make that trade if we had the cap space but no way Debrusk is getting more than 5.5/ 6M.

# PleaseTradeRobertsonCampaign.

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11 Jun 2024 20:23:21
@Tags don’t want Tanev, there are better options in that price range and I 100% don’t want Klingberg even for free and limited minutes. Like to get a solid 6 where you can trust everyone to play in all situations minus PP obviously. Shelter Klingberg to burn out Rielly and Klingberg was not the answer on the PP either. We are trying to get away from being a team that commits too many turnovers, so minus machine Klingberg can take his shot somewhere else. Hopefully Boston or Florida so we have a chance to beat them.

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06 Jun 2024 11:23:51
Why can’t we afford to lose a trade? . I would love to make sense of all this. Guys the whole point is to make your own team better, with Mitch in the team and this core we can’t get past the first round. Who the F cares if we lose the trade to make our team better? If we can get some help back in a trade for Mitch. great but we could also use the cap space to get the D, G and F depth we need. Seeing people suggest to bring Mitch back infuriates me. It’s like the last 8 years never happened. The absolute worst case scenario is Mitch plays out this contract but no way in hell would I hurt this teams chances again and resign him. Is there something that Im missing here or would people rather keep this core than lose a trade and stick to the 1st round exits?

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05 Jun 2024 00:27:47
I liked Zadorov in playoffs. I thought he was just a tough gritty bottom guy but he was moving the puck well, contributing offensively and played very physical. I wouldn’t mind paying 5.5M/ 4 years. Looked to me that he really wants to win. Love competitive guys like that. Add Roy and Carrier/ Desharnais and we are set.

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03 Jun 2024 23:55:32
Zadorov is looking for 5.5-6M no chance you’re getting him for 3.5. I think after watching that playoffs, he is worth 5.5M and some term.

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