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01 Mar 2024 12:30:09
I watched the Sea/ Pitt game last night after the Leafs game. Borgen looks good. A legit top 4 defender that can skate, play physical and be reliable in his own end.

My trade for the final piece on the back end;

To Tor: Borgen

To Sea: Lily, Robertson, 2024 3rd rd, 4th rd picks

Rielly Borgen
Benoit McCabe
Brodie Boosh.

Clarky17

1.) 01 Mar 2024 13:16:56
Clarky I don't think Borgen is worth all this, he's a 3rd pairing Dman possibly can play 2nd pairing next year. Seems like a high price for me.


2.) 01 Mar 2024 13:57:54
You r short on R dmen but u give one up makes no sense to trade lily.


3.) 01 Mar 2024 14:19:46
I'm on board with trading lily I don't he'll be anymore than a 3rd pairing d man . Borgen is big and physical and signed to a good contract for another year. A good offer.


4.) 01 Mar 2024 15:39:05
A good prop but I think it may be an overpay by the Leafs. He is starting to get more ice time, but I wouldn't say he is an established 2nd pair D yet. If he can, good contract and maybe be worth Lily, Robertson and a 3rs.


5.) 01 Mar 2024 17:51:15
@Tags no chance Borgen is a 3rd pairing D. This guy would be our 3rd best D and close to McCabe. He would be a top pairing guy for us being our best RHD. Watch this gem play. I thought he looked better than Larsson yesterday.


 

 

26 Feb 2024 00:49:51
To Tor: Crouse, Brown, 2nd 2024

To Arz: Jarnkrok, Robertson, Minten, 1st 2024, 3rd 2025

2nd trade:
To Tor: Tanev (1.5M retained)

To Cgy: Arz 2nd rd pick 2024, Tor 4th 2025, Brodie (he agrees if they flip him to a contender for a 2nd or 3rd pick with retention) . Cgy could a 2nd (Arz), 3rd and 4th from Tor for Tanev.

Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Domi Nylander
McMann JT Crouse
Holmberg Kampf Reaves
Gregor

Rielly Tanev
McCabe Brown
Benoit Lily
Lagesson

Brown is a 5/ 6 guy but I think we would be more well rounded if he played with McCabe instead of Benoit.

Clarky17

1.) 26 Feb 2024 03:07:20
I don’t think Brown (32g, 1g, 5a, -4) is any more effective than Benoit but Crouse would be a terrific player for Leafs to target.

To Coyotes: 2024 - 1st, 3rd, Minten, one (1) of Tverberg, Voit, Lisowsky, Hirvonen, Jarnkrok ($2.1, for cap), Reaves $1.35), Jones ($875,000)

To Leafs: Crouse ($4.3), late 2nd via Florida (Coyotes have 3 - 2nd round picks)

In: $4.3
Out: $4.35

Crouse - Matthews - Marner
Knies - Domi - Nylander
McMann - Tavares - Robertson
Holmberg - Kampf - Kunin (SJS)
Would be a formidable lineup.

Now to add that RHD partner for Reilly.

To Calgary: 2024 - 2nd via Florida, 2024 - 4th via Leafs plus a “B” prospect if necessary.

Reilly - Tanev
Brodie - McCabe
Benoit - Liljegren
Giordano - Lagesson - Timmins.


2.) 26 Feb 2024 13:41:21
Creative.

Jarnkrok, Robertson a 1st and 3rd may get Crouse alone. If Leafs are adding Minten, I'd want McBain as well if I were the Leafs. As much as they like McBain, he is a 3/ 4C for them. Most of the time, he only plays 11-12 mins a night. Hard to ask for a huge return on a guy they play 11-12 mins.

So this is my counter as I can't see Brown playing 2nd pair on the Leafs.

Arz
Jarnkrok
Robertson
Minten
2024 1st

Tor
Crouse
McBain

As for the 2nd deal, I think we need to add a better option than Lagesson or Gio as a partner for Rielly without subtracting a guy like Brodie.


3.) 26 Feb 2024 15:03:08
Nice props guys! Both make sense and would make us better. You guys are probably right on Brown. Maybe better to go after two F but don’t think we would get a 2nd back to go after Tanev.
@WB I personally can’t take Reaves out of the lineup. He is playing good and guys are playing tougher with him in the lineup. I think we need someone to take Robertsons spot in F on the 3rd line (which Jarnkrok will be coming back), makes Robo trade bait.

@RLF I think Brodie would have to be in a deal with that much money coming in. Not too many teams want to retain money.


4.) 26 Feb 2024 16:34:31
All we need at this moment is someone solid to play beside Reilly. Need to find another Luke Schenn type of guy. Can play the minutes and back up Reilly.


 

 

18 Feb 2024 17:51:34
Alright giving up a bit for mostly guys with term and Sean Walker who we should be able to resign at a decent AAV. I think he is looking between 4-5M in his new contract. I put the years they have left beside their name.

1st trade:
To Tor: Hathaway (UFA-3), Laughton (UFA-3), Walker (UFA-1)

To Phi: Brodie, Lily, Niemela, Robertson, 1st pick 2024, 3rd rd 2025

2nd trade:
To Tor : Burroughs (UFA-3)

To SJ: Reaves, Timmins, 3rd pick 2024

3rd trade:
To Tor: Borgen (UFA-2)

To Sea: Tverberg, Lagesson, 5th rd pick 2024, 3rd rd pick 2026

Playoff Lineup:

McMann Matthews Marner
Bert JT Domi
Knies Laughton Nylander
Holmberg Kampf Hathaway IR* Jarnkrok

Rielly Walker
McCabe Borgen
Benoit Burroughs
Gio.

Clarky17

1.) 18 Feb 2024 19:47:12
Domi is not a second line player. He’s barely a third line centre.


2.) 18 Feb 2024 22:55:37
What are you talking about? Domi has been playing good. And it’s not about what line you think he should be. It’s about what’s best for the team and giving all 3 lines an equal chance to be successful.


3.) 18 Feb 2024 23:34:24
McMann plays well for a game and gets anointed a first line winger? You clearly are enamoured with Domi for some reason. He’s a liability defensively and is on pace for what, 8 goals? Yah let’s put him on the second line and move Nylander.


4.) 19 Feb 2024 00:47:02
It’s called depth scoring. They have been putting their best players on two lines for years now and how is it working out? Every line Domi has been in for the past while has been one of the best lines every game (Matthews and his hat tricks are exempt) . When the big guys are in the lineup, Domi/ Bert/ Knies are getting like 10 minutes a game and barely any PP time. What are you expecting them to do? How come every time some of these big names are out of the lineup we play more like a team and win more often then not? Give these guys some minutes and a chance, than evaluate them but as of right now they are set up to fail.


5.) 19 Feb 2024 03:04:21
There is no way that Ron Francis is giving away Borgen for 2 AHL players a 3rd and a 5th.


6.) 19 Feb 2024 13:02:58
CKPS would still have McMann in the press box or on the Marlies. He has often said McMann is barely a 4th liner and has said Domi is barely a 3rd line centre all season. Domi had 49 pts in 60 games as a 2nd line C in Chicago. He is on pace for 40-45 pts as a 3rd line C in Toronto with very little PP time. Domi is not that great defensively I would agree, but also why he should be on a more offensive line and not a two-way/ defensive line. He's had 3 seasons over 50 pts, but in all 3 he has been playing 17-18 mins a night, not the 13 he gets in Toronto. I was not a fan of the Leafs signing Max. I give credit where it is due. He has played well and brings an element this team sorely lacks. Some grit and stands up for teammates. It was mostly new guys who went after Gudas. It wasn't the players he embarrassed last playoffs yelling in Woll's face that went after him besides McCabe.
But let's get rid of the McMann's and the Domi's and go back to Dubas hockey. We all loved that high skill no push back pond hockey so much didn't we.


7.) 19 Feb 2024 17:30:53
Amen RLF. I think CKPS is trolling us to get a rise. Not sure what games he is watching.


8.) 19 Feb 2024 21:51:17
I agree with not wanting domi. Holmberg could do replace him at a much cheaper cap hit . McMann has had a good week and deserves a longer look.


 

 

17 Feb 2024 17:48:20
Burroughs from SJ is also another quality candidate for cheap. Costs as much as Timmins and has the same bite as Benoit/ Seeler but on the right side.

Clarky17

1.) 17 Feb 2024 23:25:46
Clarky17

I think the leafs need to resign McMann quick it won’t take a lot one way contract and 3 years

We don’t want this cat heading to UFA.


2.) 18 Feb 2024 00:57:02
I’m with you D1M.
He’s gaining some confidence which is always a good thing.
One-way is correct.


3.) 18 Feb 2024 03:56:35
I’m not letting jarnknok own top three lines

All the leafs need is three lines that can score

Knies Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Tavares Nylander
McMann Domi Robertson

To me Jarnknok is either forthline and special teams or trade bait. It took Keefe far too long to find and insert McMann

On the goal McMann scored set up by Robertson I swore that was Matthews b4 I got a glimpse of his number .

I don’t blow assets this year I don’t think Matthews Nylander Marner Tavares and Reilly are going to be pushovers this playoff season.

It’s lining up that. Toronto get Boston Tampa or Detroit in first round. Boston are really fading and have a hard schedule the rest of the way .


4.) 18 Feb 2024 04:04:39
Boston remaining games


Stars
Oilers
Flames
Canucks
Kraken
Nights
Islanders
Leaf's
Oilers
Leaf's
Pittsburgh
Blues
Carolina
Flyers
Ottawa
Rangers
Flyers
Panthers
Lighning
Capital
Nashville
Carolina
Panthers
Carolina
Pittsburgh
Washington
Ottawa.


5.) 18 Feb 2024 04:31:59
lol I’m talking about getting Burroughs from SJ, what does that have to do with signing McMann (although I agree) . I’ve been putting him on the top line for weeks.


 

 

17 Feb 2024 01:44:13
To Tor: Burroughs, Kunin

To SJ: Kampf, 4th rd pick 2024

To Tor: Borgen, Tanev, 2nd pick 2024

To Sea: Brodie, Niemela, Bellows, Robertson, 3rd pick 2025

McMann Matthews Marner - sponsored by 3M tape
Knies JT Tanev
Bert Domi Nylander
Kunin Holmberg Jarnkrok

Rielly Borgen
McCabe Lily
Benoit Burroughs

Solid tough D and depth without spending too much and getting a 2nd rd pick to go into the draft with (trade piece)

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01 Mar 2024 03:26:37
Well we got Boosh double retained for a 3rd (2025) and a 6th. Not too bad and leaves room for another move or two.

Clarky17

1.) 01 Mar 2024 11:40:36
I think that will be it on the blueline if they add another guy they will have to move a current player out to make room.


2.) 01 Mar 2024 12:27:44
Not sure I like this move too much. It's good in the sense he's a RD, but he is a bittom pairing rental and I don't think he played well with Rielly in last year's playoffs. I don't like giving away draft picks for a low end rentals. Leafs need to aim higher or just stand pat IMO.
Hopefully they make another move for more of a difference maker since they still have some cap space or else just close shop and go from here.


3.) 01 Mar 2024 12:46:48
It's a good trade. Adding Boosh at 75% retained for that cost when every GM knows the Leafs are in trouble on the right side is well done by Tree. imo

Bertuzzi playing well
Domi playing well
Reaves playing well
Benoit, Lagesson, Jones, Sammy, Gregor all playing well for what one could expect from them.

Hmmm, maybe Treliving isn't the idiot and his moves nowhere near as horrible as so many claimed.


4.) 01 Mar 2024 14:11:29
Yes I’m hoping this isn’t the only move they make back there. I like how he got Boosh double retained but I think he is doing that to keep space for another RHD.


5.) 01 Mar 2024 18:04:25
@RFL we will see how it looks post deadline the price he paid wasn’t awful to me it was kind of a patch job kinda trade I don’t see where he improves the blueline now just hope he can wow us on a forward. What does it take to get Jenner out of Columbus would be a good third line add for the playoffs.


 

 

01 Mar 2024 02:14:46
Looks like we are getting Boosh.

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23 Feb 2024 18:56:06
Here is my personal preference for trades.

Depending on how much they want to spend, my first option is to go shopping at Seattle. It’s tough because they are still in the mix and maybe won’t move anyone until deadline.
My first Seattle option
1. Larsson - 2 years left at 4M per. One of the better D’s we could get with term that is a righty and would fit nice with Rielly. Cost for Larsson IMO Niemela/ Lily and a 1st.

#2 from Seattle.
Bill Borgen - another RHD with 2 years left at 2.7M. Not as well rounded as Larsson is but a solid reliable D that plays physical. IMO would cost Robertson, 3rd +?

#3 Walker - good option with a cheap 2.7M but last year if his deal. I wouldn’t mind putting a first rd pick to this if he came with Seeler or an extension. Similar to Borgen I say he would cost Robertson, 3rd rd +

#4 Murphy - been hurt and currently on IR. Still has 3 years left at 4.4M. I still think he would cost a first because of the term he has left or maybe they could do Robertson, Lily and a 3rd?

#5 Burroughs - if they are looking for a cheap option at RHD that has 3 years left at 1.1M could be the guy to replace Lily going forward in the bottom pair. Could cost Timmins and a 3rd/ 4th rd pick?

Honourable mentions: Tanev (would love him if he came with an extension or not costing us a 1st for one year), Seeler, Dumba, Peeke. I’m sure I’m missing a few.

Limited options out there for RHD with term that teams are willing to move. Any preferences?

Clarky17

1.) 23 Feb 2024 20:23:59
Clarky really, I would only target true top 4RD with term or knowing they sign an extension.
So yes, ideally I would choose Larsson as my top target if he is available & yes I would be willing to give up that package you suggested for him.
Next would be Tanev (more realistic option) . I think it's a straight cut deal without losing a roster player.
With the way the team chemistry is, I wouldn't want to change it too much. Adding one top pairing Dman should fit in smoothly.

Of the rest, definitely Borgen and then move Lily in the summer (either draft pick or trade) .
And UFA Seeler.

Not interested in the rest.


2.) 23 Feb 2024 20:30:39
And I forgot Matt Roy. He is definitely in my top 3 targets.
Larsson, Roy, Tanev.


3.) 23 Feb 2024 23:32:30
Tags I feel Cgy is juicing us here. I think we would have to pay more than everyone else. If that’s the case pick up a Borgen type and try to sign him in the off-season.
I know Bob would love it if we got D’Angelo. Lol.


4.) 24 Feb 2024 00:12:59
I like walker, but I think he wants more money than he deserves. Would pass.

Never liked Murphy. Extremely overrated imo.

I'm really not sure if any D are available that I'd want, other than Roy if he is available.

It would have to be a true Top 4 to replace Brodie, right shooting, and have term.


5.) 24 Feb 2024 00:17:18
Good list. I would add Jokiharju to the list. Very steady.
I still like the young guy Okhotyuk (LD) as well, but he would be a guy that is still developing at the NHL level. Hard hitting LD even though he isn't huge.


6.) 24 Feb 2024 00:52:51
Who's Bob?
No D'Angelo please!


7.) 24 Feb 2024 13:25:08
What about Bob1965? Has some strong perspectives on Leafs moves and likes his own comments 5 times? That Bob.


 

 

20 Feb 2024 10:16:13
Does it not feel like Sheldon comes in here sometimes to get fan feedback? ?. I swear we all called for some line changes very similar to last night but with McMann on Tavares line with Robo and Willy in the 3rd. I don’t think I would have put JT with two rookies but they didn’t look bad last night. But we just looked like a well balanced team last night coming in waves. 55 games for Sheldon to start listening ? but I hope he keeps that same mentality. Blues couldn’t get much going against any line.

Clarky17

1.) 20 Feb 2024 13:50:38
I wish Keefe would. lol

See the battle McMann showed to get that empty netter. Does that not remind people of how Hyman battled for every puck? I have never said, nor am I, that McMann is Hyman, but he never got a chance under Dubas and I am hoping the new management see what they have in this guy. Giving him a shot in the top 6 means a more balanced lineup and a cheaper winger in there which the Leafs need.

I kept saying to lock this guy up while he could still be had for cheap. The price is going up each game as he is a UFA end of season and will hope to cash in somewhere at his age. Lock him up now before we can't afford him.


2.) 20 Feb 2024 15:09:09
I agree, he looks awesome. I think the way he is playing makes Robertson expendable in a trade. Also want to give a shout out to McCabe last game especially. I watched his small area battles in front of our net with boxing guys out. He is a warrior and looks tough to play against, stepping up big. Brodie needs to be on his left side, looked good so far with Lily. Benoit has been steady. A few blips but just plays with all heart. Kids looked good as well on the 5/ 6 pair. Rifai has looked steady every game I’ve seen him play.


 

 

14 Feb 2024 13:59:43
Here is my rant for the day:

Great full team effort yesterday! But here is my question? Why do we always play these amazing games with some of our big names out of the lineup?
My take:
Because they have more working Joes on the ice. Everyone was getting the puck in deep and cycling and back checking. We had very little turnovers. Why is that? Because we didn’t have stars on the ice the whole game trying these highlight reel passes that rarely work and usually lead to turnovers and occasionally goals. Look how much better our D looked when they aren’t defending against constant turn overs. Nylander was the only one that didn’t look good to me yesterday. He was the only one that kept turning the puck over at the offensive blue line because he hates dumping it in and forechecking. Everyone else but Pylonder got the memo. We always have complete team efforts when we are missing big names. This tells me that we don’t need all this money on the offence and that you don’t need $50M on two lines to score goals.
If Keefe doesn’t get this memo and realize that you don’t need two stacked lines just 3 spread out lines with a good checking line than he is clueless. We seen this many times like when Matthews was out and we all said Domi needs to play with more skill after seeing what he can do with Marner on his line. Keefe like 20 something games later and another sickness to try it again and of course it works out AGAIN.
This coach keeps complaining about depth scoring!?!? You have more money spent on forwards than anyone in the league but you choose to put ALL of it on two lines, than you have the audacity to complain that the other lines aren’t chipping in enough? Complain about Bertuzzi and Domis production? How much PP time have they had this year? How do you expect guys like Bert to produce similar to what he has done in years past when his PP time has probably gone down over 50%? But when JT and Marner get back, I’m sure the lines will just go back to what they were or he moves Bert to the 3rd line?‍♂️.
My Lines to save Keefes job;

Knies Matthews Robertson
Bert JT Marner
McMann Domi Pylonder
Gregor Kampf Reaves.
Holmberg
Come on Sheldon, use your ?.

Clarky17

1.) 14 Feb 2024 14:27:13
You have different lines than me, but I agree with playing a more simple, heavy style of game. I would want the stars to use their skills, but you have to protect the puck first and foremost.
The one thing I really noticed last night was there were almost no cute little back passes etc coming out of our own end. There was Down low support for the D with short, smart passes to come out as a unit with speed. Not a lot of stretch passes (which I hate that style of play) .
I have wanted Keefe gone for a while. I don't like the style of play he implemented and his stars don't seem to listen to him on managing the puck.


2.) 14 Feb 2024 16:15:51
Well said RLF. I think they should try out both options but I think we can agree that they need to change something. I personally believe either Marner or Nylander need to play on the 3rd line with Domi to give us depth scoring. We would be a hard team to match up against with Marner, Nylander and Matthews all running their own lines. Split the PP in two even lines and let other guys feel like part of the team and not just a 4 man show.


3.) 14 Feb 2024 16:58:21
I know it's an unpopular opinion with a lot of people, but everytime Marner is gone this team looks better imo.

His back passes, cross ice neutral zone passes, drop passes in his own zone, etc are some of the worst decisions I've ever seen a "star" player make.


 

 

 

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01 Mar 2024 17:51:15
@Tags no chance Borgen is a 3rd pairing D. This guy would be our 3rd best D and close to McCabe. He would be a top pairing guy for us being our best RHD. Watch this gem play. I thought he looked better than Larsson yesterday.

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01 Mar 2024 12:48:25
I like it RLF. For me Robertson shouldn’t play another game for us. He is really starting to look bad out there. He looks scared and doesn’t really do anything out there. Can we please at least get Steeves until they trade this marshmallow or Jarnkrok comes back.

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01 Mar 2024 11:54:29
lol newbies.

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29 Feb 2024 17:23:06
No way that gets you both with term and retention. Take Benoit off that and the retention, that gets you Larsson alone. IMO.

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29 Feb 2024 13:33:23
I don’t see LA giving up one of their top D in a playoff run with no D coming back.

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01 Mar 2024 14:11:29
Yes I’m hoping this isn’t the only move they make back there. I like how he got Boosh double retained but I think he is doing that to keep space for another RHD.

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28 Feb 2024 21:17:44
Guys, nobody is freaking out. I’m just saying after watching the last slew of games, I realize that Robertson is not the fit this team needs. Glad Jarny is back soon and hopefully Robo gets moved in a deal. But all is calm, cool and collected over here. Just stating what I see.

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28 Feb 2024 13:08:50
@Rsears so we can’t post our thoughts? Robertson has too many games out there where he isn’t noticeable not a one time thing. Maybe he will flower in a top 6 role in rebuilding team but we have no room for that type of player. We have too many already.

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28 Feb 2024 12:23:47
To me it’s Robertson. He sticks out like a sore thumb. He is soft and skates in circles not really doing anything. McMann and JT obvi didn’t have the best game but anytime they got a cycle going and the puck went to Robertsons side, it’s a lost battle every time. He doesn’t hit, doesn’t forecheck hard. If they were playing tag out there yesterday, I bet he wouldn’t have been “IT” once. They should have moved him while he was looking good. Now he is back to showing his true colours right before TDL.

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25 Feb 2024 18:25:26
Don’t think it’s a Dubas/ Tre thing. It’s about Sheldon getting his ? together. Making the whole team feel involved and everyone has a part. Can’t say the same 1 month or 2 ago.

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