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28 Jul 2020 06:51:45
Why the heck not, another trade for a top right hand d.
Leafs get Roy, 3rd
Kings get Kapanen, 4th
The kings have a cloge at right d. Walker, doughty and Roy. He's really cheap and I think this would be great.
1.) 28 Jul 2020 12:25:06
I thought you were getting a top RHD. Roy is good, not great, far from elite, and may be the best 2RHD in the league (he's not imo), but he is definitely not a top RHD.
I try to use precedents when figuring out trade value. Using recent precedents, Kapanen for Roy ses like an overpay. But of a gamble considering his age and the fact he just finished his first season. He might be a late bloomers. Then again, I thought the same thing about Manson and Montour both, and they have done nothing but go downhill the last couple years.
2.) 28 Jul 2020 13:57:41
See with a guy like Roy, it’s his next contract that will be the deciding factor. If he wants an extension now he probably gets 2.5-3.5 million depending on length. If he wants to wait another year to try and increase what he is worth, then it may be a bit higher.
However, he is 25 now, and although he had a great year, especially defensively on a terrible defensive team outside Kopitar on LA, is one year really worth our best middle 6 forward? I’m not convince it is. I think there is a much greater chance Dubas throws together a package of Johnsson+ for him or Kerfoot straight up. I don’t see him paying more then that as he could get a much better and much more proven Defenceman then Roy for Kapanen.
I still like Roy, and I think he would succeed in Toronto so I would have no problem bringing him over, but offering up Kapanen seems like a large overpayment imo.
3.) 28 Jul 2020 18:29:31
I would take out the 4th on our side and see if they would be willing to send over maybe a B prospect.
4.) 29 Jul 2020 01:16:47
The deal is believable because we do get a bit of a cap dump. I can't see Roy getting more than $2.5M tops. Same as around Dermott will, and what Holl got.
Kapanen, would have career numbers in LA. He is easily 2RW, and could probably play on LA's top line, and he would also get more PP time there as well. He's a good fit, and LA can afford him.
The problem is, Roy is not a prospect anymore. He's basically a 2nd line guy.
A good one, but not a great one. He's an older Dermott, in that way. So the value seems low for a proven top six RW on a team friendly multi-year term, that scores 20g/ 40p and has upside.
So if LA would throw in a prospect of some sort, like LeafsLife suggests, then it's a better deal. Maybe Vilardi. That might seem like too much, but he has a life history of back problems that has affected him constantly and dated his development. LA has Turcotte and will be drafting Byfield.
Of LA threw Vilardi in and worked the trade around that so show, that would be better. Any other ideas who might be a good throw-in if not Vilardi?
5.) 29 Jul 2020 15:18:24
Yes it was just one game, so I guess that you all did not watch all the regular season games this year and last. Nylander is overpaid and overrated and rides the coattails of Matthews and Tavares. So yes we have younger and cheaper players that can be in the lineup than him. So I guess you all missed Robertson out there fighting in the corners and mixing it up every shift. So yes Robertson is trying to get a job on the leafs and should Nylander as he thinks he only has to try when he wants to.
Again trade the bum!
6.) 29 Jul 2020 22:27:30
I think you put this in the wrong spot park but I'll respond anyway lol.
Always the same hate for a 30/ 70 player. Yet Marner as a 20/ 90 guy is beloved by this city. I don't get it. As soon as Gardiner left it became Nylander. When Nylander is run out of town who will it be then?
7.) 30 Jul 2020 10:44:59
Marner. Lol. In fact, given the choice, I'd run him our first just cause how much he makes.
8.) 31 Jul 2020 02:14:36
Funny as well how Marner isn't "riding coattails" he is making everyone around him better. I guarantee if Nylander and Marner ended a season with identical stats people would mimic this thought though. "Marner made Mathews into a 50 goal scorer! " And "Tavares is why Nylander played so we'll". When we take into account how many points Marner had the last few on years on the PP as opposed to Nylander it's even worse for Marner. Nylander was never given 1st PP duties and Babs seemed to love to hate on Nylander as well.
22 May 2020 20:32:36
Leafs get: Crosby (25% retained), Dumolin
Pens get: Matthews
Just trying to come up with something original. Losing Matthews is bad. But we are getting Crosby, the best player in the league when he was in his prime. Matthews has not proven himself a cup winner or captain. Crosby has. I don't believe at the end of the day either team does this deal, but I just really love Crosby, so I want to trade for him. If you think Crosby is Declining too fast, through in a pick or two. And let's not forget we are getting a 1RD in this deal. Dumolin is better than our whole d except Rielly and maybe Muzzin.
1.) 22 May 2020 21:23:11
All good, except Dumoulin is LHD. Lol. Pittsburgh RHD are Letang, Marino, Schultz. Their LHD is Dumoulin, Petterson, Johnston.
I agree Dumoulin would probably be our second best defenseman. And he is definitely a top 4 defenseman. And I don't even mind the trade. I just don't think Dumoulin can play RHD. If he can, problem solved. If not, then we just made an even bigger mess of defense.
2.) 22 May 2020 21:23:32
Why would the Pens trade one of the top two players in the NHL who is a proven winner for a soft, overpaid, lazy, one trick pony, who never plays in his own zone, doesn't drive the play and relies on his linemates to feed him the puck? Then the Pens are asked to retain money.
3.) 22 May 2020 23:05:01
Lol. Queue the Mathews bashing. Mathews is top 5 in most passing metrics as well as scoring, and possession. Definitely one dimensional. Mathews was very close in the race for the Rocket Richard. Mathews is actually getting better defensively which Crosby struggled with very early in his career as well. Mathews was also praised this year for using his body a lot more and competing in the tough areas.
I don't actually believe Crosby is number 2 in the NHL anymore. He is aging out but still a top 5 for sure. You cannot make it sound like the pens would turn down a Mathews for Crosby deal. If that was straight up they would laugh all the way to the bank.
As for the original post, as LeafsGm stated this trade gives us 4 top 4 LHD. That's serious overkill. You would need to trade any 2 of Muzzin/ Reilly/ Dermott or it doesn't improve the team at all.
Consider also that goal scorers are far and away harder to aquire than playmakers. 50+ goal scoring centres at Mathews age are the dream for every team in the world.
4.) 23 May 2020 00:33:17
Okay, islandjet, I am not quite sure who you are trying to describe. It wouldn’t be Matthews who is a big bodied, constantly growing defensively, solid back checker, who had near the most steals in the league and drives his line and own offence? You couldn’t be that dumb. You must be more describing someone like Laine?
5.) 23 May 2020 02:08:40
I think you are confused IslandJet. Laine plays for Winnipeg.
6.) 23 May 2020 16:07:53
Matthews is only known for not showing up when he's needed the most in the postseason. Overrated, overpaid and overhyped in Toronto by the desperate to win Leaf fans.
7.) 23 May 2020 17:15:25
Matthew's still got 5 points in 7 last year. I wouldn't call that disappearing playing against a constant selke nominee in Bergeron, the leads top line matched Boston's top line, with karri suspended our depth got put played by Boston's depth.
8.) 23 May 2020 17:35:42
Randy where was Bracco? He seems like the perfect replacement for any Toronto forward as he's always touted as a great trade pawn by Leaf posters. lol.
9.) 23 May 2020 22:18:58
That's because Bracco is a good trade chip. He is the perfect piece to throw in on a deal with a rebuilding team or someone looking for a playmaking winger. Just because he can't crack the Leafs Li who doesn't mean he can't crack a lot of other teams lineups.
21 May 2020 22:32:10
tor gets,1st, bozak, falk, parayko,5th
car gets, nylander, johnnson
I'm not totally game with this trade, but I'm just tryin a get some discussion flowing.
1.) 21 May 2020 23:14:38
Absolutely no chance army takes this trade.
2.) 21 May 2020 22:45:09
Whoops, mixed up the accounts. This should have been mapleman.
3.) 22 May 2020 00:42:44
This is just about the most homerish proposal I have seen here and that is saying a lot. Salary cap issues aside. Nylander straight up for Parayko would b pretty close.
4.) 22 May 2020 01:52:13
Whoops, mixed up accounts with my bro by accident.
5.) 22 May 2020 03:00:18
I agree this is horrible, as I said My brother and I mixed up accounts. This trade is very, very bad for stl. If you take out the first falk and the 5th, then it is fair.
6.) 22 May 2020 04:21:12
Think about it this way, Nylander for Parayko straight up is very close to fair, maybe the leafs add a decent prospect like SDA or something.
So adding Johnsson does not get you all that other stuff.
7.) 22 May 2020 12:21:46
And just like that, St Louis no longer had a defense.
8.) 22 May 2020 13:47:53
Why do we want a 7 mil Faulk I’d be good with Parayko Bozak at retained value and maybe a 2nd.
9.) 22 May 2020 15:40:49
Nylander is not worth Parayko straight up let alone adding a 1st. A top d-man is more valuable than a soft winger who would be out of place on a physical team like the Blues.
10.) 22 May 2020 16:30:52
sorry, Falk wasn't supposed to be in there, and the 5th either.
11.) 22 May 2020 17:43:38
Sorry Islandjet but I disagree there. Defenceman values have slipped in the past 5 years and Nylander is signed longer. Parayko is a soon to be UFA.
12.) 23 May 2020 02:27:35
IslandJet knows damn well Nylander is more valuable than Parayko just because of age and length of contract alone. The fact Nylanders contract is almost half paid out already, making him extremely cheap in real value terms also increases his value significantly. And the fact that Nylander still has upside potential tial, while Parayko is pretty much played out, and it becomes obvious why Nylander has significantly more value than Parayko.
Parayko might be the best 2RHD in the league, but it's a real stretch to call him a true 1RHD. He is not top 25 in the league. Simple as that.
21 May 2020 17:12:18
Tor gets: Kesler contract
Anaheim gets: Bracco
I still don't really know the point of getting Someone on LTIR, but somehow it helps. I don' think Kesler is worth very much, but I could be wrong. We take advantage of the fact we are the richest team in the nhl.
1.) 21 May 2020 18:00:05
@farmboy
You answered your own question. As Leafs are the richest team in the league, the only thing that prevents them from buying up all the star players regardless of cost is the salary cap. But, as a rich team that can afford to pay past the salary cap, Leafs are able to take on LTIR contracts like Clarkson and Horton. As a result, their cap space effectively becomes available for the Leafs to use to surpass the salary cap. Last year, a ncludibg the Horton and Clarkson contracts, Leafs had an actual payroll of close to $100M. And that's how taking on LTIR can help rich teams like the Leafs who are facing cap issues.
It is not exactly recommended though. Their are negatives as well as positives. It's best if we can avoid dipping into LTIR. But as long as Leafs are facing cap issues, they will likely want to take on at least one or two LTIR contracts to give them a cushion, just in case.
2.) 21 May 2020 19:53:58
Why would Toronto do this?
3.) 21 May 2020 19:58:33
What are the negatives Leafs GM? LTIR is not something I understand very well.
4.) 21 May 2020 21:14:02
One issue is that in the off-season LTIR doesn't exist. So if your cap hit is 200 million your breaking the rules in the off season as you can't go over by that much.
Another issue with LTIR is trade deadline time. If the cap is 50 million (example) and team A has 49 in player cap hits. Team B has 55 million including LTIR space. Team A at the trade deadline can actually spend 2+ million on a player. Team B even with LTIR space of 60 million cannot aquire a new player.
Without being to complicated those are two downsides to LTIR space. There are many articles written about this as well if you just Google it. A lot of fans seem to think LTIR space is just free money which it isn't.
5.) 21 May 2020 21:33:38
I do that understand it fully either obviously. That's why we aren't real GM's.
I do know one big knock against it is that when it comes to trade deadline, you can't pro-rate a players salary. So, for example, if Leafs entered deadline without having dipped into LTIR, and they have $2M in cap space, they are able to take on a player with a cap hit of close to $6M-$7M.
Whereas if they go into deadline having used, say, $3M LTIR and they still have $5M in relief available to them, they can only take on up to $5M in extra cap space.
The reason for this is that the funds for the player are not coming out of payroll. It is coming out of the LTIR pool available to the team.
There are other negatives too. Like I said, I don't know all the intricate details. Dubas himself probably doesn't fully understand it. That's why he hired the guy that wrote the book to work for him as his capologist. That gives us a pretty big advantage when it comes to knowing how to bend the rules and what loopholes are available to us.
6.) 21 May 2020 22:48:49
Thanks LeafsGM! that gives a lot of clarification. It is very very complicated. I don't know why they even have it, and why you can just perform a free buyout or something.
7.) 22 May 2020 03:36:02
@LeafsLife and @FarmBoy
Just to clarify a point LeafsLife made. LTIR usually counts against the cap in the off season is true, but not if the player has been medically cleared to never play again or is expected to miss a significant portion of the beginning of the season. So, for instance, Leafs were actually able to exceed the cap when they signed Marner in the off season because they were allowed to use Horton and Clarkson's LTIR, as both players are medically determined ineligible to ever play again. In a case like this, it's like the contract doesn't even exist. Except when trade deadline rolls around and you can't take advantage of prorating cap hits.
8.) 22 May 2020 17:45:36
I guess the one thing that would work in your favor is if you had enough cap space using LTIR that you don't need the trade deadlines prorated cap hits. If you could exceed the cap by say 30 million who cares if other teams get a cheap player at deadline?
9.) 23 May 2020 02:33:32
I wondered if that was possible myself. And theoretically, I think it is. I'm no lawyer or nothing. But I don't think there's a limit to how many players, or a limit in dollars, for what can be placed on LTIR. I've seen some teams with 3-5 guys on LTIR all at the same time. Leafs had Reilly, Muzzin, Ceci, Johnsson all on LTIR at one point this season. So if those guys weren't expected to come back before playoffs, we could have really loaded up if we wanted to.
16 May 2020 18:17:37
Leafs get: Makar
Avs get: Marner
Then leafs sign Hall
Not sure if signing Hall is a good idea. But this site is just for fun, so I want to see what everyone thinks of these moves. Our team would be better for a year or 2, then we would be in cap hell, but at least we get 2 years of contending (maybe one, i'm talking about when Makar needs a new contract)
1.) 16 May 2020 18:51:03
Can't see the abs doing this. If Sakic negotiated Marners contract it wouldn't be 11/ yr.
2.) 17 May 2020 00:33:19
Sakic is a huge Marner fan (forsberg type passer and becoming defender without the scoring touch) . With the avs big 3 why not bring in a big 4? Along with kadri the avs can finally role out 2 great lines.
Yes Makar appears destined for a Norris but dmen are hard to judge. Goalies make less saves following year and dmen look at fault. Jersey saw this happen quickly.
Yes marners contract is huge but colorado has the space and money. Marner is less a risk as an offensive player than makar is as a defensive player.
Its a iffy deal on both sides but so much positives for both teams it could happen
Signing Hall is a hot topic around here. Hey even if deal doesn't happen leafs sign hall then make tunnes of deals to get under cap
Dubas want quality more than quantity so if giving up 3 3 million dollar middle 6 guys to get a 9 million top line guy you bet dubas will do it
Solud suggestions.
3.) 17 May 2020 23:22:15
also I am not crazy about Galgenuyk…. very bad defensively which we don't need. and I definitely would not give him 1.5mil.
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17 Jul 2020 15:33:51
Just seeing if this actually works this time.
Leafs get nobody
I think at this point, this may be the road Dubas goes down.
1.) 17 Jul 2020 17:20:28
That’s almost a non option why would they want to get worse and take steps backwards.
2.) 17 Jul 2020 20:48:44
Get no one and make no trades means your over the cap next year or you let Dermott and Mikheyev sit. Something has to be done big or small.
Who even plays defense in this world?
Reilly Liljigren
Muzzin Holl
Sandin Marincin
?
3.) 28 Jul 2020 06:49:00
Of course the rfa's are resigned. That defence is horrible.
02 May 2020 01:03:36
Hypothetical situation here
what if in the 2018-19 season this happened?
Leafs get: O'Rielly, 1st
Buffalo gets: Nylander, Leivo
I think this could have gotten O'reilly in 2018, he was traded for the value of probably less than 2 1sts. Say what you want, but I think the team would be so much better right now if the leafs traded Nylander right when they signed Taveres. then at the deadline.
Leafs get: Duchene
Sens get: Marleau, 2 1sts
We basically just do the Marleau trade earlier, and we get Duchene for the 2019 playoffs. Would we have won the cup with this lineup?
Duchene Matthews Orielly
Hyman Taveres Marner
Johhnson Kadri Kapenan
Moore Goat Brwn
Rielly Hainsey
Muzzin Zaitzev
gardiner Dermoot
Anderson
Sparks
I personally think that lineup wins the cup. Of course hindsight is 2020. We will never have this lineup, and we really only have 3 more good chances to win the cup.
1.) 02 May 2020 21:26:42
Marleau had a no trade clause. He wouldn't have waived it at that point I don't think. Also have to remember he was actually producing still at that point. It wasn't until the following year that he became a 4th liner.
2.) 03 May 2020 01:31:46
We didn't have him the following year, he was traded in the offseason.
3.) 03 May 2020 02:49:11
Oh your right. I saw 2018 in the beginning of the post and misinterpreted.
4.) 03 May 2020 04:55:16
I don't think you win anything with Duchene on your team. Not only is he not good enough to win a cup, but he also brings down the good players on the team that are.
Is it any surprise Duchene gets signed in Nashville and they immediately suck, and so does he? He got traded to Ottawa from Colorado, and immediately after he arrived they tanked, and they still suck to this day.
5.) 03 May 2020 04:57:37
@Farmboy
Why do you say only three more chances?
6.) 03 May 2020 13:12:05
2020, 2021 and 2022. 2021 Anderson and Hyman are UFA’s and 2022Rielly and Campbell are UFAs and Kapanen and Sandin and Lily are RFAs. When Rielly is gone we will suck. If he stays those other guys I mentioned will leave and the leafs will also suck. That’s why I said 3 chances. Do you agree guys?
7.) 03 May 2020 13:17:03
Lol LeafsGM for got about Duchene. Yes of course we wouldn’t win the cup with him, we would place last in the league lol.
8.) 03 May 2020 18:43:01
The dressing room for the leafs especially strikes me as extremely fragile right now. A guy like deuche-ene would definitely upset the balance so I agree with leafs gm there but I'm not sure if it would have impacted us that much.
9.) 04 May 2020 15:40:18
@farmboy
I agree, yes. I sort of baited you on that question. I think we only have about a three year window as well. For much the same reasons as you. Basically I think Dubas has screwed himself with the cap and we will not be able to sign all the supporting players we need to give us the depth necessary to win a cup. Dubas will continue to gut the depth and eventually we end up with three forwards, Sandin + Liljegren, and Andersen. The rest of the team filled out with fringe players and tweeners. That's not a formula for success imo. But Dubas is convinced it is. So we just have to wait and see who is right and who is wrong. (Hint: Virtually every analyst thinks Dubas is wrong. So do I. But it's usually mad genius like that who go against the common opinion that prove to be right, so it's a little exciting to watch it play out) .
10.) 05 May 2020 16:18:19
Honestly I don't mind Dubas philosophy. Not because I think it works but because after 50 years of being disappointed how much worse can this possibly get? May as well try.
11.) 05 May 2020 22:22:47
That's a good point LeafsLife. When all else fails, do it the Dubas way. At minimum at least we have the individual awards we can hope to cheer for. I can see a Leaf player contending for virtually all the major awards except Selke. I wish I didn't have to say Lady Byng, but I'm surprised one of our guys hasn't already been nominated.
12.) 07 May 2020 17:25:53
Lol. Lady Bing will be Nylanders in a few years. He barely takes penalties, hates to hit, etc. Not my favorite award either though.
13.) 09 May 2020 01:20:48
I think Mogilny is the only Leaf player to ever win it, and he refused to accept the award. Not because it was a pussy award (it is), but because he thought hockey was a team sport and the only thing worth playing for was the cup. Individual awards didn't mean anything to him. Fun fact:. Mogilny and Selanne led the league in scoring in 92/ 93. There was no Rocket Richard Trophy back then, but I assume Mogilny would not have participated that year either. Selanne though got a silver stick for breaking the points record as a rookie. I remember the presentation. I've never seen one awarded before, or since, though I heard Gretzky got a gold stick.
14.) 09 May 2020 01:25:30
Another interesting Selanne fact. He broke both the goals and points rookie records that year (which is why he got the silver stick) . Both records still stand. He missed out on winning the Richard Trophy that year, because it didn't exist. But he did win it the first year it was introduced. So I guess he finally got his reward in the end after all.
10 Apr 2020 01:35:51
When do you guys think hockey resumes? Is this season finished? Is hockey cancelled for longer than 1 season (Trudeau said it might be like this until we get the Covid-19 vaccine in a year)?
1.) 10 Apr 2020 12:51:25
Bettman just came out with a statement about it yesterday. I didn't read it. But it sounds like nobody knows anything still bud. I know it's not what you were hoping for. But it is what it is.
2.) 10 Apr 2020 15:13:29
Listening to politicians speak daily is like waiting outside the chimpanzee cage for them to throw poo at you.
All sports are probably done this year. Even if the virus is eradicated in Canada other countries still play a role. No one will want to jump the gun just over a game and I don't really blame them. They shouldn't.
3.) 11 Apr 2020 13:40:03
Ya, the seasons done.
18 Mar 2021 22:35:45
That Bennet deal is so bad it's not even funny.
22 May 2020 20:21:57
Washington should add Jensen at least if they want Marner. I ike Wilson, but He is not worth Marner.
22 May 2020 20:20:42
I don't think the Ads do this either. I just like Kadri. The Kadri Barrie trade was not good for the leafs.
22 May 2020 16:30:52
sorry, Falk wasn't supposed to be in there, and the 5th either.
22 May 2020 16:27:48
I think its a great trade.
28 Jul 2020 06:49:00
Of course the rfa's are resigned. That defence is horrible.
22 May 2020 14:23:49
It is true, that is awesome, but I doubt it is true. If Dermott was a natural right side, he would be there already. We should not be assuming Dermott is a lock on the right side.
22 May 2020 14:21:55
I am fine with this personally. Would love to see the leafs play the jackets and get past the "first round" (If we can call it that) . And I agree I would rather play Tampa. I could see us possibly beating Tampa, but not Boston.
12 May 2020 00:52:29
Talk about fleecing lol. It is hard too call those guys leafs that were leafs and then traded away, since those guys were drafted by the ducks, and the leafs could have picked pretty much all those guys if they wanted too.
11 May 2020 03:52:52
There's some I understand. But how could manson Kase and petterson have been leafs? Are you sure you are not exsadurating a little?