22 Aug 2019 14:54:17
Leafs trade Nylander, Hyman, Dermott
Ottawa trades Chabot, White
Chabot is LHD but can play rhd if needed. This gives Ottawa three significant pieces for their rebuild. They take a downgrade at LHD in order to get a massive upgrade on Wing. With Brannstrom ready to play nhl this year, Ottawa might be open to trading Chabot.
I may have posted this proposal already, but was interrupted, so not sure it went through.
22 Aug 2019 15:07:47
If Ottawa says yes than why not give it a try.
I warn you now though. Once Nylander gets full year in everyone will miss him.
22 Aug 2019 15:50:10
He would be missed, sure, but having a guy like Chabot sure helps ease the pain. Chabot gets almost as many points as Nylander, and he plays defense, something Nylander doesn’t even know the definition of.
Optimally, Chabot would have been RHD, but you can see what I’m getting at in this trade: we have so many good forwards, especially at RW, that we can afford to trade one to bring in help for defense. We have so many good forwards we can’t protect them all, whereas on defense we don’t even have three guys worth protecting. After Rielly and Dermott, we only have UFA’s and prospects.
If we trade Nylander or Marner, it has to be for a guy who has similar contract. I would hate to lose Nylander or Marner just to see the guy we traded for leave after only two or grew years. Trading picks/ prospects for short term vets is something Leafs used to do for a very long time, and it never worked out. We need guys for the long term.
22 Aug 2019 16:17:31
I agree with craigger
Everyone hated on nylander because he held out and 100% had a horrible season but if u trade a guy like Willy it will come back to haunt u
Yes chabot is a great offensive defenceman but we have those in Reilly and now Barrie
Btw dermott is a perfect second line pairing for years to come and Hyman is a great complementary player on a great deal so therefore I like chabot and white but I wouldn’t pull the trigger on this deal.
22 Aug 2019 16:34:03
Interesting deal. Chabot is a good defenceman and would slot in well with Reilly as opposed to Ceci for this year and beyond. I think the leafs are giving up a lot here though. Dermott won't be able to command huge money on his next deal but will be a top 4 after muzzin and/ or Barrie are gone.
White is a bit of a wild card right now. He signed what may be a team friendly deal or turn into a horrible contract. He played half a season and Ottawa signed him with 40pts. Really hard to tell what will happen here.
Hyman is a fairly cheap grinder type that I would absolutely hate to lose at this point. If Kadri was still around then maybe but the leafs need someone to do the dirty work besides JT.
Nylander worth more in my opinion. He will come out during this year for sure. Nylander and Mathews will make a great tandem especially with AM comments about Kapanen.
All in all I wouldn't take this one. To much risk on white and far to much risk on what Dermott and Nylander will do in Ottawa.
22 Aug 2019 16:51:25
On a side note
So White coming out of his RFA contract gets 4-5 million per season. White is at best a top 6 fill in player if a top 6 guy gets hurt.
Now a top end RFA D like Jones out of his RFA year gets 5 million. Do you see where i'm going here?
Why are D valued higher than Forwards when forwards are getting paid much much more.
The top contracts for D are 11 million and there are only 2 of them. Forwards wise you got now roughly 12 guys over 10 million and after the RFA guys are signed you could be looking at 15
so again, why are D valued so high by so many non NHL executives. that's people like you and me. I think we as fans are putting too much emphasis on Dmen. Salaries dictate the market. That dictation says Forwards are worth more than D.
Just sayin.
22 Aug 2019 17:14:46
Chabot is Ottawa’s franchise dman Nylander wouldn’t do it for them.
22 Aug 2019 18:02:06
@Craigger
I agree that's an interesting topic for sure. My take on it is Seth Jones and Burns don't make people watch in small market places. Guys like Marner are valued above what they should be as Marner has the personality to make people love him, he plays an extremely flashy game, even when he isn't doing anything you notice him for some stuff he does. From an NHL exec standpoint that is marketable to make people watch. Sign a defenceman like Muzzin and 90% of casual fans don't notice him beyond a big hit once in awhile. Hard to point at Muzzin and say he deserves 11M because his defense is better especially considering advanced stats are just coming into main stream now. If you look at soccer stats you can see how a CB that scored 1goal in 100 matches contributed but that's a lot harder to see statistically in hockey at the moment.
Just my two cents on why goalies (arguably the most important position by far) and defenceman are under paid in a lot of situations. I don't think anyone can tell me Pesce making what he does is fair considering that's a middle 6 salary for a winger and 3C salary on some teams.
22 Aug 2019 18:05:34
leafs 1994 you are 100% correct. Chabot is going no where.
22 Aug 2019 20:43:48
Any trade of Hyman is a non-starter while Babcock is the coach. Also, no way Ottawa trading Chabot. Thirdly, Chabot would be great, but Leafs don't really need a left shot defenceman anymore.
23 Aug 2019 17:52:35
I think the guy who puts the puck in the net is worth more than the guys who keep it out for many reasons. For one thing, you can’t win a game without getting a goal. The best you can do is get a tie. And for another, the excitement of the goal and the replays and all the action that goes into the celebrations makes for exciting hockey. It sells tickets and tv ads. Even in the trap happy nineties when 1-0 hockey games were fairly normal the forwards got paid more than defense. That’s just the way it goes. A forward who gets 50 goals is more valuable than a defenseman that keeps 50 goals out of the net. Because so many guys are capable of playing a solid shut down hockey game, while only a select elite few are ever good enough to put the puck in the net so consistently. Which is why, in my mind, an elite forward like Marner is worth more than an elite defenseman like Jones. Salary generally determines the value a player has to a team. And forwards are obviously worth more than defensemen for a reason.
Good responses to this post. A lot of good points made. It turned into one of the better discussions I’ve seen on here in a while. As for the trade, I was hesitant including Dermott, but if we are trading for Chabot, Ottawa would need a replacement top 4, and we wouldn’t need him anymore anyway. Hyman is a goner anyway next year. Either we trade him or lose him in the expansion draft. Why not trade him now and earn a return. Next year his value drops significantly. Ottawa also says no to this deal being that Dermott and Hyman are both injured right now.